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**OR/WA/CA Mil Convoy Connection to ongoing EQ'S at Hanford NUCLEAR RES???**

 
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**OR/WA/CA Mil Convoy Connection to ongoing EQ'S at Hanford NUCLEAR RES???**
Small sampling of approx 200 eq's (cumulative) unabated daily (with an
apparent increase in intensity) within feet of the Hanford Nuclear Facility and
Nuclear Waste Storage Reservation..These eq's are reminiscent of Harmonic
Tremors that I experienced firsthand on May 18, 1980 in the Red Zone of MT ST Helen's Eruption It is well known that the Cascade Range "Ring of Fire" is Volcanically active and I suspected we may be dealing with a Caldara here, but
a cursory check of the area through USGS sites did not bear this out. But apparently there IS a known/documented Fault running under this Reservation. (Go figure!)

I now find myself wondering if this uptick in eq activity at this Nuclear Reservation
has ANYTHING to do with the recent post of Convoy Activity via rails (with photos)
in the bordering area of WA and OR. One can only imagine how 100s of 1000s
(perhaps Millions) of people would be directly affected by something of this magnitude and how they might react (without prior warning) to a possible directive
to "shelter in place" and even worse perhaps to "evacuate" suddenly.

I'm wondering also, if anyone noted any HazMat Vehicles within the Convoy or in those approximate areas. I'm just very concerned about this and wondering (again)
if anyone has updates or anything to add?
(I will be out most of the day but will check back
later and hope any/all responses are civil and well
intended-I feel this warrants rational debate.)
[I know, I know..."this IS glp after all:-)"

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Update time = Mon Mar 16 5:00:04 PDT 2009

MAG DATE LOCAL-TIME LAT LON DEPTH LOCATION
y/m/d h:m:s deg deg km

map 2.7 2009/03/16 00:31:19 46.396N 119.279W 0.9 13 km ( 8 mi) NNE of West Richland, WA
map 1.8 2009/03/16 00:24:35 46.396N 119.283W 0.8 13 km ( 8 mi) NNE of West Richland, WA
map 2.1 2009/03/15 22:42:32 46.400N 119.281W 1.0 13 km ( 8 mi) NNE of West Richland, WA
map 1.8 2009/03/15 16:04:08 46.403N 119.284W 0.3 13 km ( 8 mi) NNE of West Richland, WA
map 1.4 2009/03/15 13:58:20 46.401N 119.283W 0.0 13 km ( 8 mi) NNE of West Richland, WA
map 1.4 2009/03/15 13:51:03 46.397N 119.276W 1.2 13 km ( 8 mi) N of Richland, WA
map 1.2 2009/03/15 13:03:26 46.400N 119.280W 0.4 13 km ( 8 mi) NNE of West Richland, WA




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Re: **OR/WA/CA Mil Convoy Connection to ongoing EQ'S at Hanford NUCLEAR RES???**
to the moon alice bump
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Re: **OR/WA/CA Mil Convoy Connection to ongoing EQ'S at Hanford NUCLEAR RES???**
well, the US used eartquakes to take out a chinese nuclear facility.
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Re: **OR/WA/CA Mil Convoy Connection to ongoing EQ'S at Hanford NUCLEAR RES???**
While it doesn't indicate which one, this fascinating article does admit that there is a fault line there:
[link to www.bizjournals.com]

"There's a lot of uncertainty -- there's an earthquake fault line and the Columbia River is shifting and the State of Washington wants it cleaned up right now," said William Ibbs, an engineer who has done work at the site.

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Also read in passing a couple weeks ago where the Bush Administration had allowed other countries to 'store' their nuclear waste there. I cannot confirm that as fact. And I have no way at the moment to re-locate the post that said that. Just tossing it into the mix in case someone else comes up with something confirming...
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well, the US used eartquakes to take out a chinese nuclear facility.
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Hanford is not a working plant (supposedly). Here is what the article above says about that:

"The Hanford Site, near the Columbia River, was used by the U.S. government to make plutonium and store nuclear waste starting in 1943, when it was created as part of the Manhattan Project -- the program that developed the world's first atomic bombs.

When the Cold War ended, the site's reactors were shut down. But the waste remains."
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What is really 'cheesy' about the 'difficulty' in cleaning up the site is that many years ago an organism was discovered that EATS toxic waste and through its digestive process turns it into harmless dirt.

This amazing discovery was taken directly to those in charge of Hanford and they refused to consider it BECAUSE the U.S. government wants to USE that dirty radioactivity for...dirty bombs perhaps?

In any event the easy and cheapest way was passed up. Can't launder money when it doesn't take much.

Maybe we need to talk to Obama about this.
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There is also another factor in all of this (am I the only one conversing here?), if as you suggest, there really were a caldera in the area that blew, or if they had a large quake, they could potentially be exposing millions of people to high radioactivity.

Can you imagine a volcano blowing out huge amounts of radioactivity? It would go all over the world and potentially have the same effects of a nuclear bomb.
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One last post: Here is a recent article that seems to address the issue well. But there is more: This area has a very sophisticated Cosmic observatory for gravitational waves...how curious that anyone would put something like that on top of a radioactive dump that has killed many Washingtonians.
[link to www.oregonlive.com]

Small earthquake swarm hits Hanford area
by Eric Mortenson, The Oregonian
Tuesday March 10, 2009, 5:39 PM
A swarm of small earthquakes -- more than 280 of them since the first of the year -- is tickling an area near eastern Washington's Hanford Nuclear Reservation.

The quakes are too small to disturb the radioactive material stored at Hanford or to interfere with cleanup operations there, said Alan Rohay, senior scientist and seismologist with Pacific Northwest National Laboratory, which operates at Hanford.

The plant processed plutonium for nuclear weapons during World War II and the Cold War.

The quakes have caused some minor problems at the LIGO laboratory at Hanford, however, knocking sensitive equipment off-line for a few minutes at a time. The sprawling facility -- LIGO stands for Laser Interferometer Gravitational-wave Observatory -- was built to measure ripples in the fabric of space and time. Cosmic gravitational waves are produced by such things as the collision of black holes or shockwaves from supernova explosions.

The facility detects gravitational waves that pass through the Earth. It depends on ultra-stable laser beams mounted in 4-foot diameter vacuum pipes 2.5 miles long. Project Director Fred Raab called the system "one of the most precise instruments on the planet."


There have been no damage reports elsewhere, and only a couple of the quakes were even felt by people, but researchers at the University of Washington's Pacific Northwest Seismic Network took notice anyway.

"It certainly has gotten our attention," said seismologist Bill Steele, who called them "wonderful, interesting."

The quakes are centered near Wooded Island on the Columbia River, about eight miles north of Richland. The largest was magnitude 2.9 and most were smaller than 1.0. Because they are small and occurring relatively close to the surface, less than two miles deep, researchers believe the quakes are happening within the Columbia River basalt layers rather than a deeper and more dangerous fault zone, Steele said. As a result, a large earthquake is considered unlikely.

A network scientist wrote in February that the basalt flows are under steady north-south compression, and that sediment layers beneath the basalt undergo "brittle failure."

"As the strain builds up we get these swarms -- a little area will snap, crackle and pop along for month or two," Steele said today.

Earthquake swarms were reported in the same area in 1970, 1975 and 1988 and are not unusual in eastern Washington and eastern Oregon, Steele said.

Scientists are eager to learn the cause of the quakes, he said. Swarms were first noticed in the area after groundwater irrigation projects began on surrounding farmland in the 1960s. The basalt layers may be sensitive to changes in the water table or water pressure, Steele said.

Meanwhile, a much larger earthquake was detected west of Grants Pass on Feb. 26. It measured 4.1 and surprised scientists because a deep, strong quake was not expected in that area, Steele said.

"All in all it's been an interesting week for earthquakes," he said.

-- Eric Mortenson; [email protected]
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Re: **OR/WA/CA Mil Convoy Connection to ongoing EQ'S at Hanford NUCLEAR RES???**
well, the US used eartquakes to take out a chinese nuclear facility.


Hanford is not a working plant (supposedly). Here is what the article above says about that:

"The Hanford Site, near the Columbia River, was used by the U.S. government to make plutonium and store nuclear waste starting in 1943, when it was created as part of the Manhattan Project -- the program that developed the world's first atomic bombs.

When the Cold War ended, the site's reactors were shut down. But the waste remains."

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Ah, but what is still there? Stored for future use...
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Re: **OR/WA/CA Mil Convoy Connection to ongoing EQ'S at Hanford NUCLEAR RES???**
What is really 'cheesy' about the 'difficulty' in cleaning up the site is that many years ago an organism was discovered that EATS toxic waste and through its digestive process turns it into harmless dirt.

This amazing discovery was taken directly to those in charge of Hanford and they refused to consider it BECAUSE the U.S. government wants to USE that dirty radioactivity for...dirty bombs perhaps?

In any event the easy and cheapest way was passed up. Can't launder money when it doesn't take much.

Maybe we need to talk to Obama about this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 100907

Just don't forget to remind him of how good it'll make him look to banish this scourge from the face of the earth, or just the parts he wishes to cleam up . . yikes, and TO THINK that this is not on the front burner of EVERY leader, just disgusting .





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