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How does child support = slavery?

 
SPIRITUAL WARRIOR

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If this is what you think of child support, please elaborate, because I fail to see how taking care of your responsibilities equals slavery. If that were the case, then the custodial parent would be a slave as well, for having to pick up whatever child related bills you don't pay for, as well as having to care for them more.
 Quoting: Poof


example

2000

i had a full time job 1 kid lived in indiana me in california.
already paying 200 a month
ex cunt applied for welfare in indiana to support herself and 2 other ill legit demon hybrids
so staTe of indiana sued me through family support division of santa clara county california for child support.

made me pay 586 per month and since there was a 6 month delay in the process the amount was back dated to day filed. i was now 6 mo in arrears.
another 50 per month
plus i had to provide healthcare for child, so my employer paid for my single coverage i had to drop it and get family coverage blue cross. 286 per mo.
and this was coverage for a kid in indiana that california blue cross would not cover.

GRAND TOTAL OVER 800 PER MONTH CHILD SUPPORT.
INCOME 20 PER HOUR 160 HRS A MO = 3200 GROSS
MINUS 1000 TAXES AND SHIT
2200 TO LIVE ON
1200 RENT
1000 OHH YEAH PAY THE CHILD SUPPORT 800
200 TO LIVE ON

FORCED SERVITUDE

EQUALS SLAVERY
THE TRUTH HAS NO AGENDA !!!
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Lots of wisdom in this topic. As a guy, I want nothing more than to raise a family upon a solid foundation, but I am reluctant to do so for the very reasons outlined in this topic.

uhoh
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Welfare is slavery. A person can't rise up past a certain level in life if they have to feed everyone else. The harder they work, the more mouths they feed. There are too many leaches in the system. They keep people slaves by making it impossible to get out of the system. Child support is a form of welfare. I suppose there was a time when the women was expected to sacrifice her life for the good of the family, and it was quite an investment, a lot of opportunity for income given up. I suppose, then, it made sense. Now, it is ridiculous. For instance, Kobe Bryant's wife, what did she do? Does she deserve that money? Or Tiger Woods wife, even if he cheated with a bunch of ulgyish whores? I suppose paying for dead weight will always keep a brotha down.
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Lots of wisdom in this topic. As a guy, I want nothing more than to raise a family upon a solid foundation, but I am reluctant to do so for the very reasons outlined in this topic.

uhoh
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I was too. Is why i waited til nearly 30 to get married and a child because i told myself you have to take some risks in life. Well my fears became reality as the EXACT same horror story visited me that visits so many other men. My advice now to guys is do NOT chance it.The charade that is family court alone can rip a man inside out...damned
Im just a latrine in a judaic controlled society. As a result, the MSM can get away with taking a leak on me.
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[link to problemwithwomentoday.blogspot.com]
Im just a latrine in a judaic controlled society. As a result, the MSM can get away with taking a leak on me.
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Whoever has custody should pay 100% of the cost.
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Re: How does child support = slavery?
Lots of wisdom in this topic. As a guy, I want nothing more than to raise a family upon a solid foundation, but I am reluctant to do so for the very reasons outlined in this topic.

uhoh
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I was too. Is why i waited til nearly 30 to get married and a child because i told myself you have to take some risks in life. Well my fears became reality as the EXACT same horror story visited me that visits so many other men. My advice now to guys is do NOT chance it.The charade that is family court alone can rip a man inside out...damned
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If you can't trust the woman many other things could also happen. She could call the police and claim abuse and have all your firearms removed.

Best to find a smart one you can be around to start with and stay away from the lunatics.
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If this is what you think of child support, please elaborate, because I fail to see how taking care of your responsibilities equals slavery. If that were the case, then the custodial parent would be a slave as well, for having to pick up whatever child related bills you don't pay for, as well as having to care for them more.
 Quoting: Poof


I have read a lot of your posts on this thread and you seem like a bitch
Only when the last tree has died,
The last river been poisoned,
And the last fish has been caught.
Will we realise..
WE CANNOT EAT MONEY!
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If this is what you think of child support, please elaborate, because I fail to see how taking care of your responsibilities equals slavery. If that were the case, then the custodial parent would be a slave as well, for having to pick up whatever child related bills you don't pay for, as well as having to care for them more.
 Quoting: Poof


example

2000

i had a full time job 1 kid lived in indiana me in california.
already paying 200 a month
ex cunt applied for welfare in indiana to support herself and 2 other ill legit demon hybrids
so staTe of indiana sued me through family support division of santa clara county california for child support.

made me pay 586 per month and since there was a 6 month delay in the process the amount was back dated to day filed. i was now 6 mo in arrears.
another 50 per month
plus i had to provide healthcare for child, so my employer paid for my single coverage i had to drop it and get family coverage blue cross. 286 per mo.
and this was coverage for a kid in indiana that california blue cross would not cover.

GRAND TOTAL OVER 800 PER MONTH CHILD SUPPORT.
INCOME 20 PER HOUR 160 HRS A MO = 3200 GROSS
MINUS 1000 TAXES AND SHIT
2200 TO LIVE ON
1200 RENT
1000 OHH YEAH PAY THE CHILD SUPPORT 800
200 TO LIVE ON

FORCED SERVITUDE

EQUALS SLAVERY
 Quoting: SPIRITUAL WARRIOR

Sorry to hear that mate,
hope these women get a clue sometime soon
Only when the last tree has died,
The last river been poisoned,
And the last fish has been caught.
Will we realise..
WE CANNOT EAT MONEY!
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Paying for child support is fine. But, not being able to audit that the support is being spent on my child is slavery. All the child support I pay goes to pay my ex's student loans. Those are not my responsibility. Then because I want to be a good father I have to buy all of the things that I pay child support for.....shoes, clothes, coats, sports equipment, haircuts, books.....
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I have met guys that had custody and got support. As for the millionaire thing, well, that is true where I live. My husband's income does not get consideration in my child support. Once again, my ex likes to complain and try to dodge paying support any way he can, but he could sign away his rights and never have to pay a dime again. He refuses to do so. He's probably one of the extremes though.
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9teen I don't see why he should just to please you.
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Re: How does child support = slavery?
2500 man commit suicide each year in Quebec 95% of them did it because they had to get out of the house to find a very miserable apartment then they were separated of their own children and finally have to pay close to 700 gran a month.

See that the reason why most men now don't want to have children because if the bitch decide it she could turn your life in a real living hell.

Women are running the show here for the moment but after collapse bitch will have to return in the position they are suppose to occupy i mean taken care of their children.

I am happy my 22 year old son won't have any children because i have told him the consequence that could come out of it.

In a word a men here after a divorce would never be able to restart again alone with the money the crook judge will left in his pocket the only chance he have is to find another women who already have a pension!

Women will unfortunately be the coming victim after collapse because a lot of men are mad as hell so expect rape and a lot of bad stuff to happen.
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Do you have a link for your statistics?

I'll be very interested in having something quotable.

(I've lived in Quebec).
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2500 man commit suicide each year in Quebec 95% of them did it because they had to get out of the house to find a very miserable apartment then they were separated of their own children and finally have to pay close to 700 gran a month.

See that the reason why most men now don't want to have children because if the bitch decide it she could turn your life in a real living hell.

Women are running the show here for the moment but after collapse bitch will have to return in the position they are suppose to occupy i mean taken care of their children.

I am happy my 22 year old son won't have any children because i have told him the consequence that could come out of it.

In a word a men here after a divorce would never be able to restart again alone with the money the crook judge will left in his pocket the only chance he have is to find another women who already have a pension!

Women will unfortunately be the coming victim after collapse because a lot of men are mad as hell so expect rape and a lot of bad stuff to happen.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1410813


Do you have a link for your statistics?

I'll be very interested in having something quotable.

(I've lived in Quebec).
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bumpbumpbump

I want my STATISTICS
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lot o women are in for a rude awakening when the price of gas hits 5 dollars a gallon. The whole system will collapse as unemployment reaches 40 % or more
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lot o women are in for a rude awakening when the price of gas hits 5 dollars a gallon. The whole system will collapse as unemployment reaches 40 % or more
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Certainly it is when the price of gas hits 5 dollars a gallon that America will turn into a wildnerness and man will assume their long forsaken role of "hunter" while women will start to "gather".

Won't happen until shit collapses completely and we run naked hunting for that deer that ran into what used to be called Macy's.
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I know all about child slavery...single parent of 2..I rest that case.
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I read an arcticle that claimed before the child support enforcement agency came to be that approximately 70% of fathers paid child support for thier children. With the creation of the CSEA the men that pay thier child support is approximately 70%.

It might be said that men are the ones who usually end up being the payee of child support. Not always but in most cases.

The problem being is the way men are treated and the way the system is run. There is no care if the man can make ends meet after the judgement has been levied. Go hang outside a child support court and see people crying over not being able to stay out of jail and paying thier monthly bills. Men are expected to live under a bridge to maintain the court order support. Its a formula and this is what the formula says that you must pay.

If mommy and daddy are still married and daddy loses his job the child still maintains the same standard of living right??

There is no human factor in trying to deal with the CSEA. There is no common sense or compassion for another human being who is also struggling to make it thru life.

I would like to see a study done of the child support employees. Seeing as how most of the employees of the child support agency are women. My bet is that they themselves are "victims" of a "deadbeat dad" and pulled out of the welfare system on a "work" program.


[link to www.fathersandfamilies.org]

Fighting for fathers rights and equal treatment by the courts. We are not lepars and have every right to 50 /50 parenting time. For the parents who raise thier children 50 / 50 then there should be no support going in either direction. PERIOD.

If you want to discourage illegitimate children then the government must stop giving them a house, subsidizing thier monthly utility bills, giving them a food card and cash every month. Let these little girls know they are on thier own. The only support they get is from the father, thier own work and thier family not the government. We would see alot less momma baby daddy.

Proud to have made the counties most wanted list for owing less than 400.00 in child support arrears. Yes less than 400.00





This is a good example of whats wrong with the system.
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After much thought on this thread.....I have a solution for the child support dilemma.

What we need to do is to turn the tables around. Men are worried because the women have the best scenario?

I say, If the man were to become the custodial parent in most cases, (excepting abusive fathers) It might give them a tad more perspective. Women could have the little darlings two weekends per month, and be the Disney moms. Dads could drive them to choir, little league, soccer, girl/boy scouts, shopping for school clothes, video game stores, church, school, and, of course, play dates.

Dads could worry about where to live, how bad the schools are, who their kids are friends with, etc...

Keeping a job will be a new challenge also because ya can't take junior to school or activities if he has a fever. YOU have to stay home with him.

Forget dating! you'll have problems finding a sitter. Meeting the guys for a beer will be a thing of the past.

Don't forget homework! ya better brush up on the "new math".
Now when we women come to get the kids... you better have them ready on time. We can't wait around for you to find shoes etc..

Oh... one last thing... we might be late dropping of the kids....ruining your plans but thats ok....plans were made to be broken.

Sound bizarre? It's not....it's a day in the life of your average woman whos been divorced and has kids....

I don't think $900 bucks per month child support is fortune enough for any woman (average, not welfare mom) to live on or "USE" for all kinds of personal items.

My child support does assist in the care and maintenance of the kids. It does NOT keep them like a couple of princesses. I'd say for my two it takes around $2000 per month if you count everything. Thats a conservative figure.

They are involved in many extra cirricular activities that cost quite a bit, but their Dad thinks they should not do the activities so he does not contribute at all. I don't want a couple of hood rats on my hands...I want well rounded, educated little ladies.

Our first child together is grown, but when it came time for college.....he did not contribute for that either. So still paying for a four year college my self.

Once you have your children full time you would be surprised how important these things become to you. How much money it is costing YOU will not be an issue. How your children turn out will be the real issue.
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2500 man commit suicide each year in Quebec 95% of them did it because they had to get out of the house to find a very miserable apartment then they were separated of their own children and finally have to pay close to 700 gran a month.

See that the reason why most men now don't want to have children because if the bitch decide it she could turn your life in a real living hell.

Women are running the show here for the moment but after collapse bitch will have to return in the position they are suppose to occupy i mean taken care of their children.

I am happy my 22 year old son won't have any children because i have told him the consequence that could come out of it.

In a word a men here after a divorce would never be able to restart again alone with the money the crook judge will left in his pocket the only chance he have is to find another women who already have a pension!

Women will unfortunately be the coming victim after collapse because a lot of men are mad as hell so expect rape and a lot of bad stuff to happen.
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I had two children out of wedlock and never filed for child support. So, I have no payback coming.

Also, some of us are armed.
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2500 man commit suicide each year in Quebec 95% of them did it because they had to get out of the house to find a very miserable apartment then they were separated of their own children and finally have to pay close to 700 gran a month.

See that the reason why most men now don't want to have children because if the bitch decide it she could turn your life in a real living hell.

Women are running the show here for the moment but after collapse bitch will have to return in the position they are suppose to occupy i mean taken care of their children.

I am happy my 22 year old son won't have any children because i have told him the consequence that could come out of it.

In a word a men here after a divorce would never be able to restart again alone with the money the crook judge will left in his pocket the only chance he have is to find another women who already have a pension!

Women will unfortunately be the coming victim after collapse because a lot of men are mad as hell so expect rape and a lot of bad stuff to happen.
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I had two children out of wedlock and never filed for child support. So, I have no payback coming.

Also, some of us are armed.
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Amen sister!!! Mine is a 38, but the one in my purse is a 32 derringer..... gotta be prepped. macgun
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2500 man commit suicide each year in Quebec 95% of them did it because they had to get out of the house to find a very miserable apartment then they were separated of their own children and finally have to pay close to 700 gran a month.

See that the reason why most men now don't want to have children because if the bitch decide it she could turn your life in a real living hell.

Women are running the show here for the moment but after collapse bitch will have to return in the position they are suppose to occupy i mean taken care of their children.

I am happy my 22 year old son won't have any children because i have told him the consequence that could come out of it.

In a word a men here after a divorce would never be able to restart again alone with the money the crook judge will left in his pocket the only chance he have is to find another women who already have a pension!

Women will unfortunately be the coming victim after collapse because a lot of men are mad as hell so expect rape and a lot of bad stuff to happen.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1410813


I had two children out of wedlock and never filed for child support. So, I have no payback coming.

Also, some of us are armed.
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Amen sister!!! Mine is a 38, but the one in my purse is a 32 derringer..... gotta be prepped. macgun
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These men might better watch their own ass when TSHTF.
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2500 man commit suicide each year in Quebec 95% of them did it because they had to get out of the house to find a very miserable apartment then they were separated of their own children and finally have to pay close to 700 gran a month.

See that the reason why most men now don't want to have children because if the bitch decide it she could turn your life in a real living hell.

Women are running the show here for the moment but after collapse bitch will have to return in the position they are suppose to occupy i mean taken care of their children.

I am happy my 22 year old son won't have any children because i have told him the consequence that could come out of it.

In a word a men here after a divorce would never be able to restart again alone with the money the crook judge will left in his pocket the only chance he have is to find another women who already have a pension!

Women will unfortunately be the coming victim after collapse because a lot of men are mad as hell so expect rape and a lot of bad stuff to happen.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1410813


I had two children out of wedlock and never filed for child support. So, I have no payback coming.

Also, some of us are armed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9186818


Amen sister!!! Mine is a 38, but the one in my purse is a 32 derringer..... gotta be prepped. macgun
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These men might better watch their own ass when TSHTF.
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as should we all....as should we all...
at that point...child support might seem a trivial subject.
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True, if that's the case I suppose all parents are slaves to their kids. But it shouldn't be over a certain reasonable % of the man or woman's income, but the custodial parent often spends as much or more of their income per month keeping things afloat with even less disposable to live on. Single custtodial parents I know either have to live with their moms or in crummy ghetto apartments, the petty fantasy that these people are living la vida loca on a spouses money are just not true most of the time. These single parents wind up bums basically until they find a new husband or wife to help out.
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If this is what you think of child support, please elaborate, because I fail to see how taking care of your responsibilities equals slavery. If that were the case, then the custodial parent would be a slave as well, for having to pick up whatever child related bills you don't pay for, as well as having to care for them more.
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In the context of two caring rational people who intend to spend their lives together and devote themselves to raising good children, yes you are correct.
But as society has changed, child bearing has become a cottage industry. Before a man could marry and have a mate beside him his whole life. Now many women have a child from many different men as a gravy train for 18 years. My room mate has a child with a woman that has 5 children from 5 different guys. In this way it is correct to say it is wrong. Granted these males were thinking with their hormones, but that is how nature made us to propagate our species and why should we fall victim to this when there is birth control?
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If this is what you think of child support, please elaborate, because I fail to see how taking care of your responsibilities equals slavery. If that were the case, then the custodial parent would be a slave as well, for having to pick up whatever child related bills you don't pay for, as well as having to care for them more.
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In the context of two caring rational people who intend to spend their lives together and devote themselves to raising good children, yes you are correct.
But as society has changed, child bearing has become a cottage industry. Before a man could marry and have a mate beside him his whole life. Now many women have a child from many different men as a gravy train for 18 years. My room mate has a child with a woman that has 5 children from 5 different guys. In this way it is correct to say it is wrong. Granted these males were thinking with their hormones, but that is how nature made us to propagate our species and why should we fall victim to this when there is birth control?
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you are right.... birth control used by women and condoms used by MEN would be a great solution. If you suit up, you don't make babies. Choice is yours.
Fool me once, shame on you.....fool me twice shame on me.
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If this is what you think of child support, please elaborate, because I fail to see how taking care of your responsibilities equals slavery. If that were the case, then the custodial parent would be a slave as well, for having to pick up whatever child related bills you don't pay for, as well as having to care for them more.
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I don't think I'm alone, but in my case I had 50/50 custody and still had to pay $165/week to her...They called it spouce maintenance even though I gave her enough to live on and even to get through school. She called it child support even though I had to pay the same amount on the weeks I had my boys.
So I went for full custody and now she doesn't get shit.
 Quoting: BRIEF AND TO THE POINT


Yes... but being honest with yourself... does it really take less than $165 per week to support the boys? My experience is no....it takes much more. Thats the point. I think, like yourself,.... more men should take on the primary role. This would be a good thing for all sides of the equation. Women could see what it feels like to never get to see the kids... men could see that it does cost far more than they think.
Fool me once, shame on you.....fool me twice shame on me.
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Child support is modern day slavery, and a lot of good fathers are enslaved to the bitterness of (some) women that are merely the (slave owners), but a (master's slave) of a conjugal bond that exists between the (Child Support System), and the father which (only) makes the woman.............. A pawn. Terrell M Powell

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Re: How does child support = slavery?
i see no issue with child support, it's how it's implemented and enforced i see a problem with. morally, economically, constitutionally.

if it was about the children then it would not be implemented in the way it is. it about government control, destruction of the family, and money. pure and simple!!!!


Child support orders should not have full faith and credit and should be subject to judicial revue from other jurisdictions.

1) Locking up non custodial parents behind on their support should not get jail time.

2) there should be no interest and penalties and fee's on arrears

3) letting arrears accrue along with fees, penalties, interest for institutionalized or incarcerated non custodial parent should not be allowed.

4) your new spouses income should not be allowed to be used in calculated support amount. it's not fair to the spouse. the custodial parents spouses income doesn't count toward figuring support so why the other way?

5) their should be a allowance of for the necessities required to live. rent, utilities, food, etc.

6) essentials of living should not be allowed to be revoked, business, drivers license etc.

7) judges need to have leeway to make adjustments to an order request.

8) the whole support system needs to be nationalized and have uniform regulations, third party oversight and regular auditing of both the program and the custodial parent.

9) streamline the process of having an existing order changed in response to changing financial circumstances.

10) have a bar of pro bono lawyers similar to legal services to represent someone who's income is not high enough to afford a lawyer. this is handy when it involves cases in two states as legal services can not help with out of state problems.

11) there should be sanctions and penalties for mothers and fathers who choose to produce different children from different partners. i think having kids with 2 partners (although morally i don't agree) is the norm these days, but when it starts amounting to 3, 4, 5 partners then there needs to be a sanction for that. make them ineligible for welfare or child support. this will prevent custodial predators from using the system as a cottage industry.

12) craft legislation to remove the bias from the family courts and legal system.

13) if DNA shows a child does not belong to the non custodial parent even if it's months or years later than the support ends there. period.

14) add a statute of limitations to establish paternity.

15) now that DNA is a quick, cheap, painless and Easy Process use DNA to establish paternity right at birth before the fathers name is put on birth certificate

i'm sure others could expand upon this.

but i say the current child support laws as written and enforced violate the constitution.

***BUT***

good luck finding a judge who will commit political suicide by finding child support laws as written as being unconstitutional!!!!!

Good luck finding politicians willing to revisit and overhaul the child support system.rant

****I'M Sure that many will be pissed off to no end about these statements but i think many will agree****
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02/23/2012 08:08 PM
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Re: How does child support = slavery?
16) child support should not be able to affect your credit score either!!!
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02/23/2012 08:18 PM
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Re: How does child support = slavery?
Child support shouldn't be money. It should be things for the child delivered to them.
That way the woman won't spend it on weed and purses.





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