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BREAKING! BRITISH BOND AUCTION FAILS!

 
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U.K. Bond Auction Fails for First Time Since 2002 on Brown Plan

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By Kim-Mai Cutler

March 25 (Bloomberg) -- The U.K. failed to find enough buyers for 1.75 billion pounds ($2.55 billion) of bonds for the first time in almost seven years as debt investors repudiated Prime Minister Gordon Brown’s plan to stem the worst economic crisis in three decades.

Gilts slumped after the London-based Debt Management Office, which manages bond auctions on behalf of the Treasury, said investors bid for 1.63 billion pounds of the 40-year securities. The last time the U.K. government was unable to attract enough investors was in 2002 when it tried to sell 30- year inflation-protected bonds.

“This is a warning signal investors are sending to the government,” said Neil Mackinnon, chief economist at hedge fund ECU Group Plc in London, who helps manage about $1 billion in assets and is a former U.K. Treasury official. “Investors are giving the thumbs down to the gilt market.”

Prime Minister Brown’s government plans to sell a record 146.4 billion pounds of debt this fiscal year and as much as 147.9 billion pounds in 2010 as he tries to pull Europe’s second-largest economy out of its worst recession since 1980. Brown’s plan drew criticism yesterday when Bank of England Governor Mervyn King told lawmakers in Parliament in London the government should be “cautious” about spending and deficits.

“Brown’s situation is economically extremely uncertain and highlights how we are now in uncharted territory,” said Mark Wickham-Jones, a professor of politics at Bristol University.

The yield on the 10-year gilt rose five basis points to 3.43 percent by 12:57 p.m. in London. The 4.5 percent security due March 2019 slipped 0.47, or 4.7 pounds per 1,000-pound face amount, to 109.36. The yield on the two-year note rose two basis points to 1.28 percent. Yields move inversely to bond prices.

Past Failures

The U.K. had two failed auctions in the past 10 years, the most recent in September 2002 when the Treasury received bids for 95 percent of the 900 million pounds of the 30-year inflation-protected bonds offered, according to the DMO’s Web site. The other failure was in 1999, when it tried to sell 500 million pounds of inflation-protected bonds.

“The risk of uncovered auctions is a normal part of the process,” said Sarah Ellis, a spokeswoman for the DMO in London. “Today’s auction was at the riskiest part of the curve. An additional factor which may have deterred some bidders is the imminent end of the financial year.”

An official at the Bank of England declined to comment.

To contact the reporter on this story: Kim-Mai Cutler in London at [email protected]
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Wait till it happens in the USA - then it gets REAL
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So what will happen to the US? HOLD ME!!!
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Once the Fed becomes THE buyer of Tbills our auctions have De Facto failed.
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Uh oh.
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Wait till it happens in the USA - then it gets REAL
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We're going have a major firework display when it does!
I can hardly wait.
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U.K. Bond Auction Fails for First Time Since 2002 on Brown Plan

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By Kim-Mai Cutler


 Quoting: MercurialStorm



We are next... OBAMA thinks CHIAN will BUY your DEBT...

WRONG... NO MONEY LEFT...

GAMES OVER.
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Can someone explain to me why investors buy debt if I buy something I want to be able to live in it, drive it, sail it, watch it, eat it, etc etc wtf do you do with some debt?
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Can someone explain to me why investors buy debt if I buy something I want to be able to live in it, drive it, sail it, watch it, eat it, etc etc wtf do you do with some debt?
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debt = enslavement
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The yield on the 10-year gilt rose five basis points to 3.43 percent by 12:57 p.m. in London. The 4.5 percent security due March 2019 slipped 0.47, or 4.7 pounds per 1,000-pound face amount, to 109.36. The yield on the two-year note rose two basis points to 1.28 percent. Yields move inversely to bond prices.
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The bonds failed to sell and the value of existing bonds dropped sharply as news came out. Positive feedback loop, failure reinforcing failure.
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Can someone explain to me why investors buy debt if I buy something I want to be able to live in it, drive it, sail it, watch it, eat it, etc etc wtf do you do with some debt?


debt = enslavement
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Yep, thats their plan. They want workers that keep making them rich (as usual) and work for 30c an hour.
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as a country gets further and further into debt the lenders become increasingly nervous that at some point the future, those debt obligations wont be honored

would you lend money to someone who just committed fraud and is heading for jail?

hell no


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Uh oh.
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The U.S. auction this afternoon had some problems as well... I don't think quite as bad as the U.K., but if these auctions start running into problem, then major doom will arrive very quickly.
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Can someone explain to me why investors buy debt if I buy something I want to be able to live in it, drive it, sail it, watch it, eat it, etc etc wtf do you do with some debt?
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lol haven't studied much economics huh? Let me put it in street terms for you, If you let me borrow $20 today I will pay you back $30 next week. Im the government and you're the bond buyer, get it?
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Can someone explain to me why investors buy debt if I buy something I want to be able to live in it, drive it, sail it, watch it, eat it, etc etc wtf do you do with some debt?



lol haven't studied much economics huh? Let me put it in street terms for you, If you let me borrow $20 today I will pay you back $30 next week. Im the government and you're the bond buyer, get it?
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Kind of like buying a certificate of deposit at the bank. You get paid back an interest above what you gave them.

However, if they can't find people to buy, they will have to increase their rate they are willing to pay to the buyers of these bonds. If bonds go up, mortgage rates go up and certificate of deposit rates at a bank go up. Inflation!
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Let me put it in street terms for you, If you let me borrow $20 today I will pay you back $30 next week. Im the government and you're the bond buyer, get it?
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And I'll finish that story for you. Next week comes and for the first time in history, when you go to collect your $30, and the gubmint says:

"Aww, shit, man, we ain't got the money. Sorry. Can we interest you in a block of cheese or some powdered milk?"
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Wait till it happens in the USA - then it gets REAL
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It already has, why do you think the Fed is buying treasury bonds? No body else wanted them.

And also how can the Fed buy treasury bonds since it back by treasury bonds, one big circular clusterf#@$k.
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Once the Fed becomes THE buyer of Tbills our auctions have De Facto failed.
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already happening...this week the fed bought up a bunch of treasuries
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another fucking stupid thread on GLP. i went out today, people spending money, everything was abnormal. sure people arent spending as much money as in good times, but life is still continuing.
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another fucking stupid thread on GLP. i went out today, people spending money, everything was abnormal. sure people arent spending as much money as in good times, but life is still continuing.
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When they look up to see the snowball rolling downhill towards them, that will change.
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another fucking stupid thread on GLP. i went out today, people spending money, everything was abnormal. sure people arent spending as much money as in good times, but life is still continuing.
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slip?
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another fucking stupid thread on GLP. i went out today, people spending money, everything was abnormal. sure people arent spending as much money as in good times, but life is still continuing.
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It will continue until they, or someone close, loses their job. Then can't find job making close to what they were making.
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another fucking stupid thread on GLP. i went out today, people spending money, everything was abnormal. sure people arent spending as much money as in good times, but life is still continuing.
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It's abnormal alright.
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another fucking stupid thread on GLP. i went out today, people spending money, everything was abnormal. sure people arent spending as much money as in good times, but life is still continuing.


slip?
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What?
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Epic fail is inevitable with Turbo Timmay at the controls.
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Not to worry! Obama says the economy is fundamentally sound!

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See if this helps: When one is "rich" enough, you have all the "things" you could possibly want/need/use in a lifetime. You don't need "mortgages" because if you want a house or apartment you just write a check for it. Your Amex bill is audited and paid by your CPA each month. As long as there is money to pay it, what the fuck do you or he care what you may spend?

If you are smart, eventually you buy things that do not depreciate any longer. Houses, cars, etc., can all be had at a certain quality and type where they just go up in value not down.

Once a wealthy person is at this "level" and still has money - the question is "what should I do with it?" Buying government securities is (or has been til now) one of the safest investments you could make. Oh, you don't get a huge interest payment - but then again if you have that kind of cash laying around - do you need a huge interest payment? You probably need 2 or 4 per cent per year on your invested money. That gives you enough income to pay the ongoing expense without dipping into you capital for those costs (like insurance, medical care/insurance/ maintenance on the house/apts./cars/etc. Cost of maids, butlers, personal assistants, etc., all has to be factored in. You aren't going to be cleaning your own mansion or cooking your own food when you're that well off.

So that's why these wealthy individuals buy government debt. They get income every month or every quarter and the government gets the use of their spare cash. Not a bad deal unless the interest rate is as bad as it is at present. Then people will still buy them because of their perceived safety.




Can someone explain to me why investors buy debt if I buy something I want to be able to live in it, drive it, sail it, watch it, eat it, etc etc wtf do you do with some debt?


debt = enslavement



Yep, thats their plan. They want workers that keep making them rich (as usual) and work for 30c an hour.
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Don't know much about gilts & London but this is scary because I thought London was the 1st runner up for world financial hub, after New York.
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I used to instal wall storage cupboards for the banks and investment companies in London City. They've not spent money on cupboards for over 6 months. Sounds silly but it is a big sign.
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