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So it Begins/Gun Ban thread

 
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In 1989, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (BATF), with the support of President Bush, banned importation of 43 "semiautomatic assault rifles." [29] According to the BATF, these weapons lacked a "sporting purpose" as set forth in 18 U.S.C. 925(d)(3). [30] The BATF Working Group identified assault weapons using the following criteria: military appearance, the likelihood that they were originally, or could easily be transformed into, fully automatic weapons, and cartridge size. [31]

Seven features were considered in determining military appearance:
(1) large capacity magazines that enable the weapon to shoot more rounds without reloading;
(2) folding stocks, which provide better concealability and portability and which are not generally present on traditional sporting rifles;
(3) pistol grips, which enhance control when firing with one hand, a maneuver not generally used in hunting;
(4) flash suppressors, which conceal the shooter's location;
(5) bipods for stability;
(6) capacity to accept bayonets or grenade launchers; and (7) night sights (since nighttime hunting is generally illegal).
[32] The Working Group also examined whether the weapons originally had been, or could easily be transformed into, fully automatic weapons. In general, guns that were originally fully automatic were suspected of having been transformed into semiautomatics solely to evade import laws and thus were classified as "military" in nature. Meanwhile, to help identify a weapon's overall sporting purpose, the Working Group examined advertisements and articles about the weapons and sent out questionnaires to experts, magazines, and shooting clubs. [33]

Using these criteria, the BATF classified forty-three weapons as assault weapons. In so doing, it established a non-arbitrary method for distinguishing assault weapons from other semiautomatic weapons.
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>Timothy Egan, Los Angeles Riots Spurring Big Rise in Sales of Guns, N.Y. TIMES, May 14, 1992, at A1. Presidential candidate Bill Clinton, among others, reacted to the riots by urging stricter gun control measures including a ban on assault weapons. See Adam Nagourney, Bill Clinton: Our Divided Society Must Become One, GANNETT NEWS SERVICE, May 2, 1992.<
Me: damn that Clinton!
for letting Bush ban those 43 assault rifles!
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A spitwad is an assault weapon. I read about a guy who was killed with a carpet stretcher. Everything can be an assault weapon.
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The National Firearms Act of 1934 (NFA 34): This law placed certain classes of firearms into a registered ownership category. Private individuals can possess a functional machine gun, silencer (suppressor), short-barreled rifle or shotgun, smooth-bore pistol, cane gun, or destructive device (certain shotguns, grenade launchers, hand grenades, bazookas, mortars, cannon, etc.) only after first paying a Federal Transfer Tax of either $5 or $200 per firearm/device. The $5 tax applies to pen guns, cane guns, smoothbore pistols, or any other such firearm that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms classifies as "Any Other Weapon" (AOW). All other functional guns or devices in the NFA registry require payment of a $200 federal tax for each private transfer. The tax is not an annual tax. It only is paid each time a functional NFA firearm is being transferred to or from a private owner (excepting inheritance).

The Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA 68): Largely modeled after the 1938 Gun Control Act of Nazi Germany, a section of this law updated the NFA 34 by restricting the transfer of newly imported machine guns to the military, law enforcement, and certain Special Occupational Tax (SOT) payers. In addition, a short moratorium was provided before the law went into effect, to allow unregistered machine guns and other NFA firearms already in private hands, to be added to the Federal Registry without penalty.

The Gun Owners Protection Act of 1986 (GOPA 86): A somewhat vague statement was added to this bill that has been interpreted by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (BATF) and some Federal Courts to mean no machine guns registered after enactment (May 19, 1986) can be built and sold to private individuals. BATFE further concluded that SOT payers cannot receive "post-May" guns without first presenting a letter from a qualifying government agency that has requested to see the firearm. These rulings do not apply to other types of NFA firearms. Transfers to government agencies having law enforcement or military functions are allowed. SOT payers who are also licensed as manufacturers are allowed to produce machine guns from scratch, from kits, or by means of conversion. They cannot transfer them to private individuals. They can be transferred to other SOT payers or government agencies only as described above. Post-May guns cannot be retained by a SOT payer who fails to renew his SOT annually.

The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 (VCCLEA 94): This law sunset on 30 Sep 04 and no longer applies. This law banned the public sale of new detachable magazines with more than a ten round capacity, and invented a new term - assault weapon, the future manufacture of which were also banned from public sale. Note, the law applies only to firearms manufactured after enactment of the law. Specifically, it limits certain features on certain types of firearms. Semiautomatic rifles with detachable magazines may possess no more than one of the following features: pistol grip protruding conspicuously beneath the action, telescoping or folding stock, threaded barrel desinged to accommodate a flash suppressor, flash suppressor (not to be confused with a muzzle brake), grenade launcher, bayonet mount. Semiautomatic pistols with detachable magazines may possess no more than one of the following features: magazine that attaches outsidethe pistol grip, threaded barrel, shrouded barrel, unloaded weight of 50 ounces or more, a semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm. Semiautomatic shotguns may possess no more than one of the following features: folding or telescoping stock, pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously below the action, fixed magazine capacity over five rounds, ability to accept detachable magazines.

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The banning of certain weapons will make many go balistic. I believe as long as bolt action rifles, pump and semi shotguns, and handguns are allowed, things will be ok. BUT, if the feds try to ban ALL guns, well, it will get interesting...bloody.
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I'd hate to be the cops who are told to go round up all the guns.
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I'd hate to be the cops who are told to go round up all the guns.
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I don't believe anyone is nuts enough to actually try to confiscate firearms en masse.
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I'd hate to be the cops who are told to go round up all the guns.

I don't believe anyone is nuts enough to actually try to confiscate firearms en masse.
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>>Happened in New Orleans... happened in Illinois.
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I'd hate to be the cops who are told to go round up all the guns.

I don't believe anyone is nuts enough to actually try to confiscate firearms en masse.


>>Happened in New Orleans... happened in Illinois.
 Quoting: Sinanju 632680

I have heard several second hand reports of some of the civvies in New Orleans shooting back. Of course, that would never make the news, True or not? I don't know, but I'd bet it is.

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I'd hate to be the cops who are told to go round up all the guns.

I don't believe anyone is nuts enough to actually try to confiscate firearms en masse.


>>Happened in New Orleans... happened in Illinois.

I have heard several second hand reports of some of the civvies in New Orleans shooting back. Of course, that would never make the news, True or not? I don't know, but I'd bet it is.
 Quoting: Evil Twin


>>I am inclined to believe those reports... especially after the videos of a little old lady resisting the jackboots. If a little old granny would.. imagine what those young bucks in Nawlins would do...
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I'd hate to be the cops who are told to go round up all the guns.

I don't believe anyone is nuts enough to actually try to confiscate firearms en masse.


>>Happened in New Orleans... happened in Illinois.

I have heard several second hand reports of some of the civvies in New Orleans shooting back. Of course, that would never make the news, True or not? I don't know, but I'd bet it is.
 Quoting: Evil Twin


I believe it happened too. Tik over on the Timebomb2000 forum is a dispatch supervisor for Orange County Fire and Law enforcement he had some good info at the time on SWAT teams around the country being dispatched to New Orleans to ....ummm....kill resisting Americans.
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I'd hate to be the cops who are told to go round up all the guns.
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I am a cop....27 years and very constitutionally conscious, WE WON'T BE THERE FOR THAT. Well be shootingh foreigners too just using ammo bought with you tx dollars that we stole from them when they started the shit. Count on it. We are NOT the enemy tho' we got some dickheads in blue for sure.
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I'd hate to be the cops who are told to go round up all the guns.

I don't believe anyone is nuts enough to actually try to confiscate firearms en masse.


>>Happened in New Orleans... happened in Illinois.

I have heard several second hand reports of some of the civvies in New Orleans shooting back. Of course, that would never make the news, True or not? I don't know, but I'd bet it is.


I believe it happened too. Tik over on the Timebomb2000 forum is a dispatch supervisor for Orange County Fire and Law enforcement he had some good info at the time on SWAT teams around the country being dispatched to New Orleans to ....ummm....kill resisting Americans.
 Quoting: Omega

When this shit hits....we will all becomne civvies. All but the dumbasses. I will not violate the rights of Americans and support dictatorial powers . I AM AN AMERICAN....FUCK THE UN, OBAMA and all who seek to damamge our freedoms and LIBERTY!!!! Pension be damned, as much as I will need it in 2 years when I could have retired...if stuff hold togehter that long.
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I'd hate to be the cops who are told to go round up all the guns.

I don't believe anyone is nuts enough to actually try to confiscate firearms en masse.


>>Happened in New Orleans... happened in Illinois.

I have heard several second hand reports of some of the civvies in New Orleans shooting back. Of course, that would never make the news, True or not? I don't know, but I'd bet it is.


I believe it happened too. Tik over on the Timebomb2000 forum is a dispatch supervisor for Orange County Fire and Law enforcement he had some good info at the time on SWAT teams around the country being dispatched to New Orleans to ....ummm....kill resisting Americans.

When this shit hits....we will all becomne civvies. All but the dumbasses. I will not violate the rights of Americans and support dictatorial powers . I AM AN AMERICAN....FUCK THE UN, OBAMA and all who seek to damamge our freedoms and LIBERTY!!!! Pension be damned, as much as I will need it in 2 years when I could have retired...if stuff hold togehter that long.
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Rock on brother I know some Sheriffs out here in rural Texas that feel the same way. Welcome to glp.
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I know my local sheriff wouldn't participate. He's been to my place while a bunch of us were shooting at my little private range out back. Noise complaint, we'd been shooting for about 5 hours, lol. He has no problems with civilian gun ownership. He wants to buy my old S&W model 19, bugs me about it every time I run into him, lol.
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I'd hate to be the cops who are told to go round up all the guns.

I am a cop....27 years and very constitutionally conscious, WE WON'T BE THERE FOR THAT. Well be shootingh foreigners too just using ammo bought with you tx dollars that we stole from them when they started the shit. Count on it. We are NOT the enemy tho' we got some dickheads in blue for sure.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 644796

I already knew that. The cops aren't the enemy.

Edit: Actually, a gun ban would be really, really, bad for the police. No guns = they are a target for people who want guns and don't have them. The police need the goodwill of the few law abiding citizens left in this country, those with guns even moreso.

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The cops aren't the enemy.

Edit: Actually, a gun ban would be really, really, bad for the police. No guns = they are a target for people who want guns and don't have them. The police need the goodwill of the few law abiding citizens left in this country, those with guns even moreso.
 Quoting: Mothra

B_Panthers used to set traps for cops.

LE respond now like they have no memory.
Don't all resistance fighters get weapons from gov't forces?

An off duty cop sold me confiscated Panther weapons from his car's trunk, after a raid on local B_Panther HQ.
Before most of y'all were born.

Where are posts citing:
GCAct 1968/Clinton's 94 AWB/Reagan's batf ban on 'alley sweeper' shotguns
Is this thread permanently hijacked?


Is there somewhere a thread that IS a resource for anyone wanting a "ready reference to Gun Control Laws"?


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I'd hate to be the cops who are told to go round up all the guns.

I don't believe anyone is nuts enough to actually try to confiscate firearms en masse.


>>Happened in New Orleans... happened in Illinois.

I have heard several second hand reports of some of the civvies in New Orleans shooting back. Of course, that would never make the news, True or not? I don't know, but I'd bet it is.
 Quoting: Evil Twin


It's true...
I know this first hand.
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I know my local sheriff wouldn't participate. He's been to my place while a bunch of us were shooting at my little private range out back. Noise complaint, we'd been shooting for about 5 hours, lol. He has no problems with civilian gun ownership. He wants to buy my old S&W model 19, bugs me about it every time I run into him, lol.
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The STATE TROOPERS, feds, etal... Could care less about your local Sheriff. Barney Fife won't be doing the confiscating.
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I know my local sheriff wouldn't participate. He's been to my place while a bunch of us were shooting at my little private range out back. Noise complaint, we'd been shooting for about 5 hours, lol. He has no problems with civilian gun ownership. He wants to buy my old S&W model 19, bugs me about it every time I run into him, lol.


The STATE TROOPERS, feds, etal... Could care less about your local Sheriff. Barney Fife won't be doing the confiscating.
 Quoting: Cunning_linguist

True, it will be the federales, the national guard, etc..
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I know my local sheriff wouldn't participate. He's been to my place while a bunch of us were shooting at my little private range out back. Noise complaint, we'd been shooting for about 5 hours, lol. He has no problems with civilian gun ownership. He wants to buy my old S&W model 19, bugs me about it every time I run into him, lol.


The STATE TROOPERS, feds, etal... Could care less about your local Sheriff. Barney Fife won't be doing the confiscating.
 Quoting: Cunning_linguist

I shoot with a trooper who is adamant about his second amendment rights.In my county they will never get the guns unless they nuke us first.
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I'd hate to be the cops who are told to go round up all the guns.
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shit.....they got'em to.......i don't think they can enforce those laws...
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The banning of certain weapons will make many go balistic. I believe as long as bolt action rifles, pump and semi shotguns, and handguns are allowed, things will be ok. BUT, if the feds try to ban ALL guns, well, it will get interesting...bloody.
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Study "incrementalism"
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It's amusing how they shift focus.
As most here know, the 2nd amendment is intended to prevent tyranny of government.
The right to bear arms has nothing to do with the right to self-protection, or hunting, or sport or whatever. It has to do with the right to prevent tyranny.
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It's amusing how they shift focus.
As most here know, the 2nd amendment is intended to prevent tyranny of government.
The right to bear arms has nothing to do with the right to self-protection, or hunting, or sport or whatever. It has to do with the right to prevent tyranny.
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Damned right!

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