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What does that mean? Is it literal or figurative, does it have some obtuse meaning that has nothing to do with fear?

Thanks.


Hello Sombra,

The term comes from the Old Testament where it was used extensively. Having been brought up with these teachings, the Lord's apostles also referred often to it, however, in the mainstream scriptures, you will never see the Lord refer to it as His teaching was to bridge the gap between mankind and God. Whether, it is used to create a fear or a sense of awesomeness, these teachings still create separation between man and God. This was not what the Lord was about.


When you say 'the Lord' are you referring to Jesus or God? I know a lot of poeple consider them the same thing. I agree that Jesus was not about perpetrating the imagined separation between man and god, neither was or is god about that. Thank you for your post, you make a very good point.
 Quoting: Sombra


Sorry for the ambiguity Sombra. hf When I refer to the Lord, I am referring to the Lord - Jesus - the Christ.
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Actually....the word fear was changed from the true meaning of "reverence, or awe".

We shouldn't ever fear "God"....only be awed by the awesomeness of it all.
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Doesn't the Bible specifically say it's an unforgivable sin to edit the infallible word of God?
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Actually....the word fear was changed from the true meaning of "reverence, or awe".

We shouldn't ever fear "God"....only be awed by the awesomeness of it all.


Doesn't the Bible specifically say it's an unforgivable sin to edit the infallible word of God?
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So then why did man choose to do just that? (the bible is one example of them doing so)
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ok let's just assume for the sake of argument God does
exist... even if you're an atheist pretend you're in a philosophy class and you're fleshing out the logic of various particular arguments. ok if you assume God exists as described in the bible then unless you're a fan of eternal "punishment" (various interpretations here left aside) it would be wise to fear him as it would be wise to fear a box jelly fish.

I think the more interesting question would be... if God exists why would he want you to fear him... one obvious answer would be that he loves people and would rather not have to "punish" them in keeping w/ his just character.

Fear is the "beginning" of wisdom hopefully not the culmination one might argue
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What does that mean? Is it literal or figurative, does it have some obtuse meaning that has nothing to do with fear?

Thanks.


Hello Sombra,

The term comes from the Old Testament where it was used extensively. Having been brought up with these teachings, the Lord's apostles also referred often to it, however, in the mainstream scriptures, you will never see the Lord refer to it as His teaching was to bridge the gap between mankind and God. Whether, it is used to create a fear or a sense of awesomeness, these teachings still create separation between man and God. This was not what the Lord was about.


When you say 'the Lord' are you referring to Jesus or God? I know a lot of poeple consider them the same thing. I agree that Jesus was not about perpetrating the imagined separation between man and god, neither was or is god about that. Thank you for your post, you make a very good point.


Sorry for the ambiguity Sombra. hf When I refer to the Lord, I am referring to the Lord - Jesus - the Christ.
 Quoting: Servant 641541


Its ok, it is just a clarification, as I have been accused of being an atheist because I don't beleive Jesus wants us to call him Lord. But that does not mean I disagree with you, only that my semantics are different. I also don't think Jesus would want a religion with his name on it. Anyway, you are the first person who calls Jesus Christ the Lord who also mentions the seapartion of man from god that I have encountered. Thank you.
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What does that mean? Is it literal or figurative, does it have some obtuse meaning that has nothing to do with fear?

Thanks. God will deal with all fetishes and by golly that puts the fear in fear itself! l /u/s/t/ =living under sin thinking! Repent means stop the stinking way of thinking or reap a room in hell forever! LOL!
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It means to take him serious. Christians are told "God is not mocked" and reminded that we reap what we sow, with the mockery consisting of us not *really* thinking we'll reap what we sow, and believing that we can somehow "get away" with inappropriate conduct.

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Actually....the word fear was changed from the true meaning of "reverence, or awe".

We shouldn't ever fear "God"....only be awed by the awesomeness of it all.


Doesn't the Bible specifically say it's an unforgivable sin to edit the infallible word of God?
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In a word - NO!
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Actually....the word fear was changed from the true meaning of "reverence, or awe".

We shouldn't ever fear "God"....only be awed by the awesomeness of it all.


Doesn't the Bible specifically say it's an unforgivable sin to edit the infallible word of God?
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If that were true we would be reading it in Aramaic or Sanskrit.
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Actually....the word fear was changed from the true meaning of "reverence, or awe".

We shouldn't ever fear "God"....only be awed by the awesomeness of it all.


Doesn't the Bible specifically say it's an unforgivable sin to edit the infallible word of God?


So then why did man choose to do just that? (the bible is one example of them doing so)
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If you agree that the bible really is the word of god. I don't beleive it is, because only an insane god would let people run around arguing over what god said or wrote in his book.
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What does that mean? Is it literal or figurative, does it have some obtuse meaning that has nothing to do with fear?

Thanks.


Hello Sombra,

The term comes from the Old Testament where it was used extensively. Having been brought up with these teachings, the Lord's apostles also referred often to it, however, in the mainstream scriptures, you will never see the Lord refer to it as His teaching was to bridge the gap between mankind and God. Whether, it is used to create a fear or a sense of awesomeness, these teachings still create separation between man and God. This was not what the Lord was about.


When you say 'the Lord' are you referring to Jesus or God? I know a lot of poeple consider them the same thing. I agree that Jesus was not about perpetrating the imagined separation between man and god, neither was or is god about that. Thank you for your post, you make a very good point.


Sorry for the ambiguity Sombra. hf When I refer to the Lord, I am referring to the Lord - Jesus - the Christ.


Its ok, it is just a clarification, as I have been accused of being an atheist because I don't beleive Jesus wants us to call him Lord. But that does not mean I disagree with you, only that my semantics are different. I also don't think Jesus would want a religion with his name on it. Anyway, you are the first person who calls Jesus Christ the Lord who also mentions the seapartion of man from god that I have encountered. Thank you.
 Quoting: Sombra


I absolutely love it when I meet a spiritual sibling! hf
You're are correct about the Lord thing as He called himself our brother and friend. As far as religion goes, I have said the same often. His church is a fellowship of mind and spirit not a religious demonination.
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What does that mean? Is it literal or figurative, does it have some obtuse meaning that has nothing to do with fear?

Thanks. FEAR OF GOD = f.orever e,vil a.liens r.oam o.nly f.aith g.ives o.ver d.anger! Seems to me fetishes will take over the mind and God who sees you knows what you think will not let you come to heaven! You get to be with people of like minds and actions!
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What does that mean? Is it literal or figurative, does it have some obtuse meaning that has nothing to do with fear?

Thanks. FEAR OF GOD = f.orever e,vil a.liens r.oam o.nly f.aith g.ives o.ver d.anger! Seems to me fetishes will take over the mind and God who sees you knows what you think will not let you come to heaven! You get to be with people of like minds and actions!
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ok let's just assume for the sake of argument God does
exist... even if you're an atheist pretend you're in a philosophy class and you're fleshing out the logic of various particular arguments. ok if you assume God exists as described in the bible then unless you're a fan of eternal "punishment" (various interpretations here left aside) it would be wise to fear him as it would be wise to fear a box jelly fish.

I think the more interesting question would be... if God exists why would he want you to fear him... one obvious answer would be that he loves people and would rather not have to "punish" them in keeping w/ his just character.

Fear is the "beginning" of wisdom hopefully not the culmination one might argue
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The problem is attributing human emotions and thinking to god, which is ludicrous. If god cared whether we ate meat on friday or had abortions, those things would be impossible, god would not allow it, we would have no choice. All the rules attributed to god's word are made up by humans who need to control others or who want to punish themselves and each other.
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Re: the Fear of God
What does that mean? Is it literal or figurative, does it have some obtuse meaning that has nothing to do with fear?

Thanks.


Hello Sombra,

The term comes from the Old Testament where it was used extensively. Having been brought up with these teachings, the Lord's apostles also referred often to it, however, in the mainstream scriptures, you will never see the Lord refer to it as His teaching was to bridge the gap between mankind and God. Whether, it is used to create a fear or a sense of awesomeness, these teachings still create separation between man and God. This was not what the Lord was about.


When you say 'the Lord' are you referring to Jesus or God? I know a lot of poeple consider them the same thing. I agree that Jesus was not about perpetrating the imagined separation between man and god, neither was or is god about that. Thank you for your post, you make a very good point.


Sorry for the ambiguity Sombra. hf When I refer to the Lord, I am referring to the Lord - Jesus - the Christ.


Its ok, it is just a clarification, as I have been accused of being an atheist because I don't beleive Jesus wants us to call him Lord. But that does not mean I disagree with you, only that my semantics are different. I also don't think Jesus would want a religion with his name on it. Anyway, you are the first person who calls Jesus Christ the Lord who also mentions the seapartion of man from god that I have encountered. Thank you.


I absolutely love it when I meet a spiritual sibling! hf
You're are correct about the Lord thing as He called himself our brother and friend. As far as religion goes, I have said the same often. His church is a fellowship of mind and spirit not a religious demonination.
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Oops, I meant denomination! hiding
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If you agree that the bible really is the word of god. I don't beleive it is, because only an insane god would let people run around arguing over what god said or wrote in his book.
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Exactly right. The "word" is not written in ANY text. The only thing written in any text is man's interpretation of it.
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It means to take him serious. Christians are told "God is not mocked" and reminded that we reap what we sow, with the mockery consisting of us not *really* thinking we'll reap what we sow, and believing that we can somehow "get away" with inappropriate conduct.
 Quoting: MuadDib987


Who determines what is inappropriate conduct?

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ok let's just assume for the sake of argument God does
exist... even if you're an atheist pretend you're in a philosophy class and you're fleshing out the logic of various particular arguments. ok if you assume God exists as described in the bible then unless you're a fan of eternal "punishment" (various interpretations here left aside) it would be wise to fear him as it would be wise to fear a box jelly fish.

I think the more interesting question would be... if God exists why would he want you to fear him... one obvious answer would be that he loves people and would rather not have to "punish" them in keeping w/ his just character.

Fear is the "beginning" of wisdom hopefully not the culmination one might argue


The problem is attributing human emotions and thinking to god, which is ludicrous. If god cared whether we ate meat on friday or had abortions, those things would be impossible, god would not allow it, we would have no choice. All the rules attributed to god's word are made up by humans who need to control others or who want to punish themselves and each other.
 Quoting: Sombra


Exactly! The only Godly rule applicable is the Law of Love. What's not born out of Love is Not of God!

No one, God included, can command another to love them, it just cannot happen!
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What does that mean? Is it literal or figurative, does it have some obtuse meaning that has nothing to do with fear?

Thanks.


Hello Sombra,

The term comes from the Old Testament where it was used extensively. Having been brought up with these teachings, the Lord's apostles also referred often to it, however, in the mainstream scriptures, you will never see the Lord refer to it as His teaching was to bridge the gap between mankind and God. Whether, it is used to create a fear or a sense of awesomeness, these teachings still create separation between man and God. This was not what the Lord was about.


When you say 'the Lord' are you referring to Jesus or God? I know a lot of poeple consider them the same thing. I agree that Jesus was not about perpetrating the imagined separation between man and god, neither was or is god about that. Thank you for your post, you make a very good point.


Sorry for the ambiguity Sombra. hf When I refer to the Lord, I am referring to the Lord - Jesus - the Christ.


Its ok, it is just a clarification, as I have been accused of being an atheist because I don't beleive Jesus wants us to call him Lord. But that does not mean I disagree with you, only that my semantics are different. I also don't think Jesus would want a religion with his name on it. Anyway, you are the first person who calls Jesus Christ the Lord who also mentions the seapartion of man from god that I have encountered. Thank you.


I absolutely love it when I meet a spiritual sibling! hf
You're are correct about the Lord thing as He called himself our brother and friend. As far as religion goes, I have said the same often. His church is a fellowship of mind and spirit not a religious demonination.


Oops, I meant denomination! hiding
 Quoting: Servant 641541



I thought they were the same thing. lol
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As far as religion goes, I have said the same often. His church is a fellowship of mind and spirit not a religious demonination.


Oops, I meant denomination! hiding



I thought they were the same thing. lol
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Freudian slip I guess. hahaha
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Actually....the word fear was changed from the true meaning of "reverence, or awe".

We shouldn't ever fear "God"....only be awed by the awesomeness of it all.


Doesn't the Bible specifically say it's an unforgivable sin to edit the infallible word of God?



In a word - NO!

 Quoting: Servant 641541


Actually, it does somewhere. I went to Catholic school; we studied it and YES it does. Just can't remember where. It says that altering any of God's words will get you a one way ticket to hell.

The same is true with even QUESTIONING the Holy Spirit.

So yeah -- guess I'm gong to hell. Thankfully I don't believe in the Catholic or Christian God.
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It means to take him serious. Christians are told "God is not mocked" and reminded that we reap what we sow, with the mockery consisting of us not *really* thinking we'll reap what we sow, and believing that we can somehow "get away" with inappropriate conduct.


Who determines what is inappropriate conduct?
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Well, for christians, it's scripture. And I'm talking generally. We should realize that if we cheat to get ahead, it'll catch up to us. In an obvious example, televangelists can't screw around under the table and stay hidden. And yet, so many think they can. They don't take God seriously on his word. They think it somehow doesn't apply to them.
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Anyway Sombra it's nice to meet you, I hope we can chat sometime.
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Actually....the word fear was changed from the true meaning of "reverence, or awe".

We shouldn't ever fear "God"....only be awed by the awesomeness of it all.


Doesn't the Bible specifically say it's an unforgivable sin to edit the infallible word of God?



In a word - NO!



Actually, it does somewhere. I went to Catholic school; we studied it and YES it does. Just can't remember where. It says that altering any of God's words will get you a one way ticket to hell.

The same is true with even QUESTIONING the Holy Spirit.

So yeah -- guess I'm gong to hell. Thankfully I don't believe in the Catholic or Christian God.
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How do you question the Holy Spirit? Sounds a lot like my experience of being called a blashpemer because I read the bible myself instead of letting the sunday school teacher tell me what it said.
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Well, for christians, it's scripture. And I'm talking generally. We should realize that if we cheat to get ahead, it'll catch up to us. In an obvious example, televangelists can't screw around under the table and stay hidden. And yet, so many think they can. They don't take God seriously on his word. They think it somehow doesn't apply to them.
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Speaking of televangelists, have any of you non-Christians seen Joel and Victoria Osteen?

BIGGEST fakes. They are so transparent, it's embarrassing.
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Actually....the word fear was changed from the true meaning of "reverence, or awe".

We shouldn't ever fear "God"....only be awed by the awesomeness of it all.


Doesn't the Bible specifically say it's an unforgivable sin to edit the infallible word of God?



In a word - NO!



Actually, it does somewhere. I went to Catholic school; we studied it and YES it does. Just can't remember where. It says that altering any of God's words will get you a one way ticket to hell.

The same is true with even QUESTIONING the Holy Spirit.

So yeah -- guess I'm gong to hell. Thankfully I don't believe in the Catholic or Christian God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 517558



Well actually it doesn't.
It's just what you were taught to keep you from questioning!
Have you ever met a small child who doesn't question?? This is how understanding grows and this is what Jesus taught - to become as a little child! There is, however, a difference between questioning to learn and questioning because of doubt. I believe we are expected to want to learn and hence to question.
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Anyway Sombra it's nice to meet you, I hope we can chat sometime.
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It's nice to meet you too Servant. I look forward to chatting with you.
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How do you question the Holy Spirit? Sounds a lot like my experience of being called a blashpemer because I read the bible myself instead of letting the sunday school teacher tell me what it said.
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Questioning whether the Holy Spirit exists is enough, according to the Bible.

My God, you think your teacher would have ENCOURAGED you to read it, not called you a blasphemer.
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Well, for christians, it's scripture. And I'm talking generally. We should realize that if we cheat to get ahead, it'll catch up to us. In an obvious example, televangelists can't screw around under the table and stay hidden. And yet, so many think they can. They don't take God seriously on his word. They think it somehow doesn't apply to them.


Speaking of televangelists, have any of you non-Christians seen Joel and Victoria Osteen?

BIGGEST fakes. They are so transparent, it's embarrassing.
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I know someone who goes to a church north of Dallas that just broke ground on a new building that's supposed to cost like $22 million. Talk about one expensive idol.
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It means to take him serious. Christians are told "God is not mocked" and reminded that we reap what we sow, with the mockery consisting of us not *really* thinking we'll reap what we sow, and believing that we can somehow "get away" with inappropriate conduct.


Who determines what is inappropriate conduct?


Well, for christians, it's scripture. And I'm talking generally. We should realize that if we cheat to get ahead, it'll catch up to us. In an obvious example, televangelists can't screw around under the table and stay hidden. And yet, so many think they can. They don't take God seriously on his word. They think it somehow doesn't apply to them.
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Ok. Does god tell you directly what is inappropriate or are you born knowing it? Or is there someone you beleive has god's ear and exists to tell you what is inappropriate? It all boils down to what each of us thinks and two people who profess to the same beleifs will pick and choose totally different things that are inappropriate. The justifications for the choices will be very similar, though, which I find intersting. Your example of the televangilists who believe they can get away with conduct you consider inappropriate. They have chosen the belief that that conduct is not inappropriate, maybe because they think they are above the law or maybe because they just really think it is ok. And it boils down to everyone has their own personal list of things they will feel guilty for doing.





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