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One would hope this story would sound a very loud alarm in Hollywood: More than 100 prisoners in Iraq face execution after reportedly being convicted of the crime of “being gay.”

According to Ali Hili of Iraqi-LGBT, Iraq will begin executing them in groups of 20 starting this week. The London-based group believes 128 executions are imminent. They’re asking the UK Government, human rights groups and the UN Human Rights Commission to step in and stop “this tragic miscarriage of justice.”

“In 2008, at least 285 people were sentenced to death, and at least 34 executed,” Mr Hili said in an interview with UK Gay News. “In 2007 at least 199 people were sentenced to death and 33 were executed, while in 2006 at least 65 people were put to death.

“The actual figures,” Mr. Hili added, “could be much higher as there are no official statistics for the number of prisoners facing execution.”

Uh-oh. Obama Justice Department nominee Harold Koh wants the United States to accept Sharia Law, which calls for shooting or beheading gays and drug addicts.



Who’s going to be left in Hollywood to make movies?

Iraq set to execute gays en masse
[link to infidelsarecool.com]

As many as 100 Iraqis in jail for the “crime” of being gay are set to be executed, in the next week.

Report: Gays sentenced to death in Iraq, executions to begin next week

LONDON, March 30, 2009 – Ground Zero for the so-called ‘war on terror’ is a nation where gays and lesbians live in real terror every day. Among the suffering of gay Iraqis is the regular threat (and carrying out) of rape and murder. In July, CNN reported on the case of a young gay man abducted for ransom and raped daily for more than two weeks.

More than 100 prisoners in Iraq are facing execution. Many of them, says an underground gay rights organization in the country, are believed to have been convicted of the ‘crime’ of being gay, the UK-based Iraqi-LGBT group revealed this afternoon.

According to Ali Hili of Iraqi-LGBT, the Iraqi authorities plan to start executing them in batches of 20 from this week. There is, said Hili, at least one member of Iraqi-LGBT who are among those to be put to death.

And the London-based group, which believes that a total of 128 executions are imminent, is calling on the UK Government, international human rights groups and the United Nations Human Rights Commission in Geneva to intervene “with due speed” to prevent “this tragic miscarriage of justice” from going ahead.

“We have information and reports on members of our community whom been arrested and waiting for execution for the crimes of homosexuality,” Mr Hili told UK Gay News.

“Iraqi-LGBT has been a banned from running activities on Iraqi soil,” he revealed.

“Raids by the Iraqi police and Ministry of Interior forces cost our group [to the extent of] diapering and killing of 17 members working for Iraqi-LGBT since 2005.

“The death penalty has been increasing at an alarming rate in Iraq since the new Iraqi regime reintroduced it in August 2004.

“In 2008, at least 285 people were sentenced to death, and at least 34 executed. In 2007 at least 199 people were sentenced to death and 33 were executed, while in 2006 at least 65 people were put to death.

“The actual figures,” Mr. Hili suggested, “could be much higher as there are no official statistics for the number of prisoners facing execution.”

Iraqi-LGBT is concerned that the Iraqi authorities have not disclosed the identities of those facing imminent execution, stoking fears that many of them may have been sentenced to death after trials that failed to satisfy international standards for fair trial.

Most are likely to have been sentenced to death by the Central Criminal Court of Iraq (CCCI), whose proceedings consistently fall short of international standards for fair trial, Mr. Hili said.

“Allegations of torture are not being investigated adequately or at all by the CCCI. Torture of detainees held by Iraqi security forces remains rife.

“Iraq’s creaking judicial system is simply unable to guarantee fair trials in ordinary criminal cases, and even less so in capital cases, with the result, we fear, that numerous people have gone to their death after unfair trials.

“The Iraqi government must order an immediate halt to these executions and establish a moratorium on all further executions in Iraq, particularly since due process cannot be guaranteed.

“The state executing people for ‘morals’ crimes is also obviously unacceptable and deplorable, “he said.

Amnesty International has called on the Iraqi authorities to make public all information pertaining to the 128 people, including their full names, details of the charges against them, the dates of their arrest, trial and appeal and their current places of detention.

So much for secular democracy and due process in the arab world. Not to mention human rights. Say what you will about homosexuals, but they do not deserve to be treated like this. But what do you expect from a country steeped in a 7th century cult founded by a lunatic?
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this is sad for sure

but to put things in perspective:

The USA leads the world in the size of it’s prison population. And not by just a little bit either.

The US prison population almost trebled between 1987 and 2007. A new study of US prisons has found that numbers of people in jail are at an all-time high, with more than 1% of the adult population behind bars. The Pew Center report calls the US the global leader in the rate at which it imprisons its citizens.

Over 2.3 million people were being held this year, it said - far ahead of other countries with large prison populations like South Africa, China, Russia and Iran.

The USA prison population at 750 prisoners per 100,000 in population compares to South Africa’s 341 per 100,000, Iran with 222 per 100,000, and China, a nation often cited by the US as having an unacceptable level of human rights violations, at 119 per 100,000. Among our politician population we probably have the greatest number of hypocrites of any nation on earth as well.

It’s not that the US crime rate is so much greater than other nations. It is that in the US sentencing is so much harsher for minor violations. The Pew Report claims that the growing prison population “is saddling cash-strapped states with soaring costs they can ill afford, and failing to have a clear impact either on recidivism or overall crime”.

The numbers were “especially startling”, according to the Pew Center report, for some groups in the population. “While one in 30 men between the ages of 20 and 34 is behind bars, for black males in that age group the figure is one in nine.”

The total of 2.3 million adults held in prison - or one in every 99.1 adults - puts the US far ahead of other countries. While the US often likes to be the world leader in various nation ranking categories hopefully having the largest prison population in the world is not one that the government is proud of.

It’s time for common sense to prevail when it comes to the sentencing of people who have committed minor violations. The “Home of the Free and the Brave” is on a slippery downhill slope when 1% of a 303,000,000 population is kept imprisoned, often in overcrowded and deplorable conditions. Certainly, the US has moved far from the moral high ground that it used to occupy.

many of those people will die in prison, for minor crimes, and the rest will face very dire futures once back in society
"By way of deception, thou shalt do war."

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Yeah, now let's see how many get into Heaven.
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Yeah, now let's see how many get into Heaven.
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what the hell would they do with a bunch of young virgin women?
"By way of deception, thou shalt do war."

Israel's Mossad

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U.S. Central Intelligence Agency Motto
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128 gays sentenced to death in Iraq, executions set to begin next week
<snip>
 Quoting: Krysalis

Well, no matter how you feel about gays, this is sad and horrible.
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As it says in Leviticus Chapter 20 verse 13:

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
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they should

don't ask and don't Kill!!!
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They would have a field day with Nikki La Vey!


They would have to dream up some pretty gruesome punishment for that one I imagine!

Note to Nikki,

Might want to vacation in friendlier climes!
Cui Bono?
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They would have a field day with Nikki La Vey!


They would have to dream up some pretty gruesome punishment for that one I imagine!

Note to Nikki,

Might want to vacation in friendlier climes!
 Quoting: Frigg Stuyvesant



On the contrary, Ayatollah Khomeni after the revolution in 1979 approved of transsexual surgery.

November 13, 2005


Iran: Islamic Fatwa Condones Changing Sex


Iran is a harsh place for homosexual men and women. The strict enforcement of Islamic law from the time of Khomeini has seen an estimated 4,000 homosexual men executed for expressing their feelings, according to the Iranian rights group Homan.

As homosexuality appears to exist in most societies in some proportion of the population, life for those who are "different" would be almost impossible in an Islamic society. But today's Independent on Sunday describes a bizarre solution to those of a different persuasion to conventional heterosexuality - transgender surgery. And what is more, it has been approved by the late Ayatollah Khomeini in a fatwa.

The origins of the fatwa, which was issued in 1983, derive from the plight of a man called Fereydoon, who had been frustrated by his situation and had already started a course of female hormones. Fereydoon had tried to gain an audience with the Ayatollah on several occasions, but to no avail. Eventually he forced his way into Khomeini's private rooms and pleaded his case. He revealed his feminine breasts to the Ayatollah, and soon the fatwa was pronounced.

It was thenceforward considered possible for a man "trapped in a woman's body" to become a woman, and for a "her" to become a "him". Previously transgender and transsexual individuals had been considered "homosexual" and subject to the harsh laws against such behaviour. The fatwa has since that time ensured that Iran has one of the highest populations of transsexuals in the world.

The Independent describes two such individuals, such as 30 year old estate agent Milad Kajouhinejad, who sports a beard and has a hairy chest, which he is proud to display. Only three years before, "he" was a "she". Today, he enjoys freedoms previously never allowed to a woman in Iranian society. The road to becoming a man was not easy. As a child "she" had been forced into a marriage at age twelve by her father, who suspected her lesbian tendencies. She had worked as a taxi driver to gain the money for the procedure, which has involved 23 operations. She had to be interviewed by psychiatrists and gain clerical approval, and was given an interest-free loan of $1200, about a fifth of the full cost of the gender reassignment.

On the other side of the gender divide, the cost of male to female gender reassignment is a third that of Milad's procedure, as it involves less operations. Athena is 20, and before her operation her father would beat him/her until he /she tried to commit suicide. Only when he had it explained that his son was not a homosexual did he begin to accept her. Now he will only allow Athena to leave the house if she is veiled, like a respectable Iranian woman.
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It's a mad mad mad mad mad mad world.
Cui Bono?
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democracy? What a joke.
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As it says in Leviticus Chapter 20 verse 13:
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

 Quoting: DrPostman


That's not Sharia law.

Tell us whose law that is, please.
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Bush invaded Iraq so they could execute their gays.
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My trues wish is that all humankind would die and give a chance for other species.
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I don't understand why these young men and women cannot be deported to other countries where being gay is not a problem such as in Europe, North America or South America. There is no logical reason why a court in a Muslim country should carry our such a penalty when there are plenty of places these young people can be sent to to start new lives,
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128 gays sentenced to death in Iraq, executions set to begin next week
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Well, no matter how you feel about gays, this is sad and horrible.
 Quoting: AsperGirl

I dont agree with homosexuality but this is inhumane. They are people too. These people are animals.
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Fox accuses Obama of trying to impose Sharia law

No, this isn’t an April Fool’s joke: Fox is seriously accusing the Obama administration of seeking to impose Islamic Sharia law in the United States.

Needless to say, the accusation totally false and just another example of the hate-filled insanity and paranoia of Foxaganda, America's most-watched cable news network.

The entirety of Fox’s claim is based on an e-mail posted on March 21, 2007 in National Review’s blog claiming that Yale Law School Dean Harold Koh — now an appointee to the State Department — had indicated that Sharia could apply in the U.S.

 Quoting: DrPostman

Here are some facts on this nutcase that you or Kos can't spin away

JUDGES should interpret the Constitution according to other nations' legal "norms.

It's a job where you want a strong defender of America's sovereignty. But that's not Koh. He's a fan of "transnational legal process," arguing that the distinctions between US and international law should vanish.

The primacy of international legal "norms" applies even to treaties we reject. For example, Koh believes that the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child -- a problematic document that we haven't ratified -- should dictate the age at which individual US states can execute criminals. Got that? On issues ranging from affirmative action to the interrogation of terrorists, what the rest of the world says, goes.

[link to www.nypost.com]
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all my gay friends were always chick magnets , nothing will get you in a girls pants faster than a gay friend putting in a good word for ya ).

a god of my understanding wouldn't condemn people to eternal punishment for consensual sexual antics . if yours does please improve the gene pool via removing yourself from it via the most expedient means at hand
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As it says in Leviticus Chapter 20 verse 13:

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 648290


Matthew 7:3
"Why do you see the speck in your brother's eye but fail to notice the beam in your own eye?

Romans 2:1-4
"Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things. But we know that the judgment of God is according to truth against those who practice such things. And do you think this, O man, you who judge those practicing such things, and doing the same, that you will escape judgment of God? Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?" (I don't really know what that one means.)
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Here are some facts on this nutcase that you or Kos can't spin away

JUDGES should interpret the Constitution according to other nations' legal "norms.

It's a job where you want a strong defender of America's sovereignty. But that's not Koh. He's a fan of "transnational legal process," arguing that the distinctions between US and international law should vanish.

The primacy of international legal "norms" applies even to treaties we reject. For example, Koh believes that the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child -- a problematic document that we haven't ratified -- should dictate the age at which individual US states can execute criminals. Got that? On issues ranging from affirmative action to the interrogation of terrorists, what the rest of the world says, goes.

[link to www.nypost.com]
 Quoting: mathetes

That guy is reaching into his ass to find justification for globalizing law.

Fine he would like to find a global legal methodology. But interpreting our law based on what other nations are doing is just a way trying to fit in, and there is no real legal principle unless you want to form a global jurisprudence.

There is no legal principle for interpreting the framers of the constitution's words in light of an alien concept. There are 4 concepts used in construction, if the words of a law are not clearly applicable to your situation.

In order of priority, these are the 4 approaches for reading outside law and applying it to your case:

(1) other courts' precedent that is binding (i.e. you have to obey their law because you are subject to their jurisdiction, so that U.S. supreme court precedents are binding on lower U.S. courts)
(2) stare decisis, where thinking from other courts sheds light on your problem and you want to quote them to show you're not making it up on your own (this is not binding)
(3) common law (when your case isn't illuminated by the the published law at hand, you go to the early origins of your law, in the U.S. that is mostly English Common Law)
(4) "natural law" -- which is a flavor of jurisprudence that believes that some principles and laws are natural and innate and fair for humans.

Religion usually comes in around (3) and (4).

What this guy proposes is something new... interpretation of law based on: "others are doing it" -- when no other justification covered in the above 4 cases can apply. I.e. the alien law says something is "okay" that we never found acceptable before.

That's just plain globalization of jurisprudence to expand the notions of what is acceptable, nothing more.

When it comes to human rights violators, interpreting the constitution based on other nations' norms is just another way to say that owning women and arbitrarily killing and depriving them of human rights is a "local culture" of countries.

That's how they explain away why barbaric, sinful and inhumane practices are okay, and why we're not boycotting Islam like we boycotted South Africa's apartheid.

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So sad. Why did we want anything from that country????





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