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What The International Media Aren't Telling You About Somalia Pirates - You are being lied to about pirates

 
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In 1991, the government of Somalia collapsed. Its nine million people have been teetering on starvation ever since – and the ugliest forces in the Western world have seen this as a great opportunity to steal the country's food supply and dump our nuclear waste in their seas.

Yes: nuclear waste. As soon as the government was gone, mysterious European ships started appearing off the coast of Somalia, dumping vast barrels into the ocean. The coastal population began to sicken. At first they suffered strange rashes, nausea and malformed babies. Then, after the 2005 tsunami, hundreds of the dumped and leaking barrels washed up on shore. People began to suffer from radiation sickness, and more than 300 died.

Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah, the UN envoy to Somalia, tells me: "Somebody is dumping nuclear material here. There is also lead, and heavy metals such as cadmium and mercury – you name it." Much of it can be traced back to European hospitals and factories, who seem to be passing it on to the Italian mafia to "dispose" of cheaply. When I asked Mr Ould-Abdallah what European governments were doing about it, he said with a sigh: "Nothing. There has been no clean-up, no compensation, and no prevention."

At the same time, other European ships have been looting Somalia's seas of their greatest resource: seafood. We have destroyed our own fish stocks by overexploitation – and now we have moved on to theirs. More than $300m-worth of tuna, shrimp, and lobster are being stolen every year by illegal trawlers. The local fishermen are now starving. Mohammed Hussein, a fisherman in the town of Marka 100km south of Mogadishu, told Reuters: "If nothing is done, there soon won't be much fish left in our coastal waters."

This is the context in which the "pirates" have emerged. Somalian fishermen took speedboats to try to dissuade the dumpers and trawlers, or at least levy a "tax" on them. They call themselves the Volunteer Coastguard of Somalia – and ordinary Somalis agree. The independent Somalian news site WardheerNews found 70 per cent "strongly supported the piracy as a form of national defence".

No, this doesn't make hostage-taking justifiable, and yes, some are clearly just gangsters – especially those who have held up World Food Programme supplies. But in a telephone interview, one of the pirate leaders, Sugule Ali: "We don't consider ourselves sea bandits. We consider sea bandits [to be] those who illegally fish and dump in our seas." William Scott would understand.

Did we expect starving Somalians to stand passively on their beaches, paddling in our toxic waste, and watch us snatch their fish to eat in restaurants in London and Paris and Rome? We won't act on those crimes – the only sane solution to this problem – but when some of the fishermen responded by disrupting the transit-corridor for 20 per cent of the world's oil supply, we swiftly send in the gunboats.

You can read the United Nations report here:
[link to www.unep.org.bh]


[link to crooksandliars.com]
[link to www.independent.co.uk]
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Make no mistake, taking hostages isn't right, but you're ONLY being told a PART of this story...

That's right...pay no attention to the dumping and commercial looting going on over there...

Be mad about and scared of PIRATES!!!



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04/13/2009 09:53 AM
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Nice post Markus and very informative. There's always two sides to every story. They shouldn't resort to kidnapping and ransom. But I see no problem in them attacking foreign fishing boats, and foreign boats dumping toxic waste in their water.
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Nice post Markus and very informative. There's always two sides to every story. They shouldn't resort to kidnapping and ransom. But I see no problem in them attacking foreign fishing boats, and foreign boats dumping toxic waste in their water.
 Quoting: Reece2076


Exactly.

And often, if not most of the time, hyped media coverage of any event is to provide distraction...While one hand is doing one thing, the other hand is over here doing something else altogether.

It would look pretty bad for the Europeans and Americans (the WEST) if the MSM began focusing on illegal dumping of toxic materials in Somali waters, and the resulting deaths of Somalians from this pollution.
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No where do I see American Flagged Ships or Private Yachts doing any harm to them so why attack them?

Maybe they should pick better targets and not try to extort money.
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No where do I see American Flagged Ships or Private Yachts doing any harm to them so why attack them?

Maybe they should pick better targets and not try to extort money.
 Quoting: Nikki_LaVey


As pointed out already, kidnapping and extortion aren't acceptable forms of diplomacy...

However, these uneducated people are reacting in part to an aggressive act by the West...

And using weapons which WE'VE manufactured.

This act of "piracy" probably began in reaction to provocation...Trouble is: then they discover how profitable it can be...
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best theory so far on this issue
"A strange game. The only winning move is not to play." - 'Wargames'

"This world is more like a mystery, trapped in a conundrum, spun by a paradox." - AC1118155
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I don't recall when the US started making AK-47s, the main
firearm found in Somalia.
 Quoting: DrPostman


Oh, not "we" as in the United States.

"We" as in the "civilized" world...being the ones terrorized by the savage pirates...
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Thanks for the thread, OP.
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Thanks for the thread, OP.
 Quoting: AsperGirl


cool2

Hope to remind at least a few people to view all sides of any story they encounter.

ESPECIALLY the sensational ones, like this.
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They spoke about this in the NY Post this morning.
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If toxic waste is being dumped in the water then why would they harvest sea food in that area?

Something is still not right about this report.

On the other hand, if those people are being starved out, it's murder, and one must do all they can to prevent murder, or become a murderer by compliance.





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This is from that UN report:



Industrialised countries generate about 90 per cent of the world’s hazardous wastes. The amount of waste crossing national frontiers is increasing and is likely to continue, due to the high growth of industries in developed countries accompanied by a high increase in the production of hazardous waste. Reportedly, some European firms are known to be engaged in the business of dumping hazardous waste in Africa. The primary cause of this is cost. It has been estimated that it costs as little as $2.50 per tonne to dump hazardous waste in Africa as opposed to $250 per tonne in Europe.

During the Somalia civil war, hazardous waste was dumped in the country by industrialized countries. Somalia appeared attractive for hazardous waste dumping due to:

• Political instability. Since 1991 Somalia lacked a central government to safeguard its
long coastlines and territories.

• Availability of dumping sites. There is a general problem of finding suitable dumping sites within the countries generating these wastes as well as high cost of recycling or
incinerating. Somalia happens to have abundant sites for dumping waste.

• Low public awareness. The public were hardly informed about dumping of wastes in the country. Besides the people were trying to eke their living in the midst of extreme social problems and poverty created by the war.

The impacts of the December 2004 tsunami stirred up hazardous waste deposits on the beaches around North Hobyo causing some health and environmental problems in the area.
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If toxic waste is being dumped in the water then why would they harvest sea food in that area?

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Because they fish there............It's a coastal nation.........
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Right. Because Somalia is so well known for the humanitarin efforts, especially with their own country.
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Yes: nuclear waste. As soon as the government was gone, mysterious European ships started appearing off the coast of Somalia, dumping vast barrels into the ocean. The coastal population began to sicken. At first they suffered strange rashes, nausea and malformed babies. Then, after the 2005 tsunami, hundreds of the dumped and leaking barrels washed up on shore. People began to suffer from radiation sickness, and more than 300 died.
 Quoting: markusmaximus


By the time I saw that, I knew your post is BS. That was a glaring error, a dead giveaway for sloppy journalism.

bsflag

The tsunami happened on 26 December 2004.
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They spoke about this in the NY Post this morning.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 201927


this
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Yes: nuclear waste. As soon as the government was gone, mysterious European ships started appearing off the coast of Somalia, dumping vast barrels into the ocean. The coastal population began to sicken. At first they suffered strange rashes, nausea and malformed babies. Then, after the 2005 tsunami, hundreds of the dumped and leaking barrels washed up on shore. People began to suffer from radiation sickness, and more than 300 died.
______________________________________________

By the time I saw that, I knew your post is BS. That was a glaring error, a dead giveaway for sloppy journalism.

bsflag

The tsunami happened on 26 December 2004.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 645277


I noticed it too, but the UN report, which I cited for this very reason, gets it right.

I can accept a typographcial error to see the larger picture here...
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Just when the U.S. needed some real good news for a change, (SEALS to the rescue), the real truth rears its ugly head.

Yeah, I'd be ticked too if other countries were stealing my food supply and irradiating the water with poisons.

Desperate people doing desperate things. What a surprise.
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Just when the U.S. needed some real good news for a change, (SEALS to the rescue), the real truth rears its ugly head.

Yeah, I'd be ticked too if other countries were stealing my food supply and irradiating the water with poisons.

Desperate people doing desperate things. What a surprise.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 477332


BINGO.
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I don't recall when the US started making AK-47s, the main
firearm found in Somalia.
 Quoting: DrPostman


Well they probably manufacture perfect replicas since the soviet afghan war when they supplied Al-Qaeda and the Talibans with them. Ask Zbigniew Brezinsky. He would tell you if it wasn't classified.
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Good find, MM!
"Livin' The Dream..."

"Don't believe in anyone, 'cos they'll feel you so much more"

"So break me down if it makes you feel right~and hate me now if it keeps you alright~you can't break me down if it takes all your might~cause I'm so much more than meets the eye..."

"Some people would bitch if their ice cream was cold..."

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Good find, MM!
 Quoting: refugee13


Thanks! How are you doing?
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So...those Somali guys gladly kill each other since decades without problem but they just can't tolerate when alien ships harvesting their shore line...lol

"We have a great civil war here and we enjoy killing each others; our only REAL problem is the alien ships at our shores..."
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Good find, MM!


Thanks! How are you doing?
 Quoting: markusmaximus

I am doing very well, thank you!!! Recovering from a week with mom, phew!!! lol How is Poe?
"Livin' The Dream..."

"Don't believe in anyone, 'cos they'll feel you so much more"

"So break me down if it makes you feel right~and hate me now if it keeps you alright~you can't break me down if it takes all your might~cause I'm so much more than meets the eye..."

"Some people would bitch if their ice cream was cold..."

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So...those Somali guys gladly kill each other since decades without problem but they just can't tolerate when alien ships harvesting their shore line...lol

"We have a great civil war here and we enjoy killing each others; our only REAL problem is the alien ships at our shores..."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 579266


Conveniently ignoring the part which ILLEGAL and IMMORAL waste dumping plays in this situation doesn't change the fact that it's happening...
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Good find, MM!


Thanks! How are you doing?

I am doing very well, thank you!!! Recovering from a week with mom, phew!!! lol How is Poe?
 Quoting: refugee13


She's great and still around!
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Good find, MM!


Thanks! How are you doing?

I am doing very well, thank you!!! Recovering from a week with mom, phew!!! lol How is Poe?


She's great and still around!
 Quoting: markusmaximus

make sure to tell her hello!!! hf
"Livin' The Dream..."

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"So break me down if it makes you feel right~and hate me now if it keeps you alright~you can't break me down if it takes all your might~cause I'm so much more than meets the eye..."

"Some people would bitch if their ice cream was cold..."

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Yep, I knew something was fishy about this all thing... same insade looting and dumping european trickeries.
Good post, thx.
bump for justice
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Yep, I knew something was fishy about this all thing... same insane looting and dumping european trickeries.
Good post, thx.
bump for justice
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Re: What The International Media Aren't Telling You About Somalia Pirates - You are being lied to about pirates
Yep, I knew something was fishy about this all thing... same insane looting and dumping european trickeries.
Good post, thx.
bump for justice





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