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A jet of gas spewing from a huge black hole has mysteriously brightened, flaring to 90 times its normal glow.
For seven years the Hubble Space Telescope has been watching the jet, which pours out of the supermassive black hole in the center of the M87 galaxy. It has photographed the strange phenomenon fading and then brightening, with a peak that even outshines M87's brilliant core.

Scientists have dubbed the enigmatic bright blob HST-1, and are so far at a loss to explain its weird behavior.

"I did not expect the jet in M87 or any other jet powered by accretion onto a black hole to increase in brightness in the way that this jet does," said astronomer Juan Madrid of McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario, who conducted the Hubble study. "It grew 90 times brighter than normal. But the question is, does this happen to every single jet or active nucleus, or are we seeing some odd behavior from M87?"

Many supermassive black holes have jets of material that spray out perpendicularly from the donut-shaped ring of matter falling onto the black hole. These beams of hot gas are thought to result from magnetic field lines that are twisted by the black hole's mass, and propel charged particles outward.

But most rays do not appear to blaze up with such extreme intensity as HST-1. Scientists aren't sure if it is an exceptional case, or if it represents a normal event for black hole jets, which are still not very well understood. In this case, the bright knot of HST-1 is about 214 light-years from the M87 galaxy's core

To learn more about this bizarre light show, Madrid analyzed the seven years' worth of Hubble images of the jet in ultraviolet light to capture changes in HST-1's behavior over time. He also compared the Hubble data to photos of the jet taken in X-rays by the Chandra X-ray Observatory and in radio by other telescopes.

Madrid found that between 1999 and 2005, the blob continually brightened. By May 2005, HST-1 was 90 times brighter than it was in 1999. After that, it seemed to fade, and then intensified again in November 2006.

"By watching the outburst over several years, I was able to follow the brightness and see the evolution of the flare over time," Madrid says. "We are lucky to have telescopes like Hubble and Chandra, because without them we would see the increase in brightness in the core of M87, but we would not know where it was coming from."

More data will be needed to solve the mystery of why HST-1 acts the way it does.

"We hope the observations will yield some theories that will give us some good explanations as to the mechanism that is causing the flaring," Madrid says. "Astronomers would like to know if this is an intrinsic instability of the jet when it plows its way out of the galaxy, or if it is something else."

This strange case could provide a unique opportunity to learn more about black hole jets in distant galaxies, which are difficult to study because they are so far away. M87 is located 54 million light-years away in the Virgo Cluster.

Madrid's study is detailed in the April 2009 issue of the Astronomical Journal.

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No ideas?
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It's intersting but puzzling. I was thinking noything escapes a black hole and they have had the concept of the extragalactic jets shooting out , but only the concept. This may be the first photos of it happening,,,don't know?
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already posted earlier today tomato
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There will be great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs from heaven....
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already posted earlier today tomato
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I had a large jet of gas spew out from my black hole a few mins ago.....
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I had a large jet of gas spew out from my black hole a few mins ago.....
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Were they donut shaped, like the jets coming from black holes?
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I had a large jet of gas spew out from my black hole a few mins ago.....


Were they donut shaped, like the jets coming from black holes?
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Don't know the shape, but it smelled like rotten cabbage.
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Re: A jet of gas spewing from a huge black hole has mysteriously brightened, flaring to 90 times its normal glow.
Black holes appear to be nature's recycling plants. They suck matter in and then pump it out at accelerated speeds as cosmic rays and EM radiation which travels the universe until it hits something or gets absorbed by something. The jet's are nothing new, but I don't think I have heard of a jet that grows in such magnitude.
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sounds a little like the appendix
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I blame SUV's
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Re: A jet of gas spewing from a huge black hole has mysteriously brightened, flaring to 90 times its normal glow.
The answer can be found in Plasma Cosmology. Blackholes are electrical in nature, and not singularities. The gravity driven paradigm is wrong.. they had to adapt the theory of blackholes when jets were discovered, and invent accretion disks to fix the holes in the theory.

Like Comet Holmes, different electrical pressure will result in increased or decreased brightness from a stellar object that is being influenced by HUGE fields.
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Re: A jet of gas spewing from a huge black hole has mysteriously brightened, flaring to 90 times its normal glow.
Interesting Only Me, but this is old news.

"M87 is located 54 million light-years away in the Virgo Cluster." So this flare up happened 54 million years ago.

I want to know what it's doing NOW.
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I had a large jet of gas spew out from my black hole a few mins ago.....


Were they donut shaped, like the jets coming from black holes?


Don't know the shape, but it smelled like rotten cabbage.
 Quoting: Wraith1970

Have you been eating cabbage soup?
"Uhhhhhh......"
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So black holes are really cosmic jet engines?
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I had a large jet of gas spew out from my black hole a few mins ago.....


Were they donut shaped, like the jets coming from black holes?


Don't know the shape, but it smelled like rotten cabbage.

Have you been eating cabbage soup?
 Quoting: Lost Fisherman


No...that is the strange thing..
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I had a large jet of gas spew out from my black hole a few mins ago.....


Were they donut shaped, like the jets coming from black holes?


Don't know the shape, but it smelled like rotten cabbage.

Have you been eating cabbage soup?


No...that is the strange thing..
 Quoting: Wraith1970

Maybe you should try some cabbage soup.
"Uhhhhhh......"
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No ideas?
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Of course "scientists" are "at a loss to explain", as per fucking usual.

They just won't admit that the Cosmos is plasma, powered by vast electric currents.

So, they're always going to be "at a loss", with their dumb Standard Model.

damned
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Typical that they didn't cite the sources of each claim made. But that's usually what what the wacko's refuse to give (and when they do give them they except you to be so fucking dumb that you won't actually read them).
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No ideas?
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Galactic polution disapates. I just appears brighter than normal.
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No ideas?

Galactic polution disapates. I just appears brighter than normal.
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After leaving the black hole?
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Just lifted one cheek and had it happen again. OMG!
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Just lifted one cheek and had it happen again. OMG!
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Swamp Gas?
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Just lifted one cheek and had it happen again. OMG!


Swamp Gas?
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No, the Dairy Queen 3 for $4 menu.
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Just lifted one cheek and had it happen again. OMG!


Swamp Gas?


No, the Dairy Queen 3 for $4 menu.
 Quoting: Wraith1970


Ah, then....Swamp Ass.


rimshot
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No ideas?
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black hole is not just a naked singularity with an event horizon.
As a star collapses into a neutron star
(like an ice skater spinning with arms outstretched who speeds up as arms are drawn in)
Smaller the radius of the star gets, faster it spins,
Poles are pulled in and equater pushed out by centrifugal force until it finally becomes a torus. Even earth shows this effect with flattened poles and bulging equater.

Matter pulled in a north pole can go through center with balanced gravity from sides and be ejected out south pole

My physics Proff. Dr Peters said it was that black holes could eject matter via wormholes.
It might get pulled in at one time & space and ejected at another time & space.
Thus Quasars with no black hole evident nearby

Sudden increase might be merely a massive black hole has sucked a nearby star in and ejected it.

Peters was a student of Einstein at Princeton.

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No ideas?


Of course "scientists" are "at a loss to explain", as per fucking usual.

They just won't admit that the Cosmos is plasma, powered by vast electric currents.

So, they're always going to be "at a loss", with their dumb Standard Model.

damned
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So far only two people here have seen the blatantly obvious truth. That tasmanian guy is right on as well. mere common sense destroys the black hole theories. And that is all they are, theories.

At first they said a black hole was an object so dense with a gravity so high that NOTHING could escape it, not even light. After a while, that somehow morphed into "except when they shoot stuff out" and somehow NO ONE SEEMED TO NOTICE. The jets shooting out just shows the whole thing is bullshit.

It is so OBVIOUSLY false and wrong. No one will admit the emperor has no clothes because that would mean all these "scientists" have spent their ENTIRE LIVES studying some BULLSHIT. It would render their entire lives and careers meaningless. No one likes that. In the past there were scholars who would spend their entire lives creating detailed theories of the flat earth adn what happens when you get to the edge etc. We wouldn't want to force them to admit their whole lives were wasted, so of course we stick with the flat earth theory. Right? Oh, wait...

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Re: A jet of gas spewing from a huge black hole has mysteriously brightened, flaring to 90 times its normal glow.
No ideas?


black hole is not just a naked singularity with an event horizon.
As a star collapses into a neutron star
(like an ice skater spinning with arms outstretched who speeds up as arms are drawn in)
Smaller the radius of the star gets, faster it spins,
Poles are pulled in and equater pushed out by centrifugal force until it finally becomes a torus. Even earth shows this effect with flattened poles and bulging equater.

Matter pulled in a north pole can go through center with balanced gravity from sides and be ejected out south pole

My physics Proff. Dr Peters said it was that black holes could eject matter via wormholes.
It might get pulled in at one time & space and ejected at another time & space.
Thus Quasars with no black hole evident nearby

Sudden increase might be merely a massive black hole has sucked a nearby star in and ejected it.

Peters was a student of Einstein at Princeton.
 Quoting: himself


I like your explanation best.
Goodbye, halcyon days...

 There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.

There is another theory mentioned, which states that this has already happened.





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