Nazis are not lefties ... they are accounted to extreme right on worldwide consensus!!!

Oppression has a lot of different names but only one reality.

National socialism was by definition leftist.

Big government
Social policies
Anti-individualism

Nationalism is not the anti-thesis of Socialism.

Proof: North Korea - heavily nationalist yet communist!

Duh the next one ...

Nazis are fascists and so on extreme right not left you truth twister, it has nothing to do how they named themselves!!!

There is unchallenged worldwide agreement on this!

Last Edited by FreeFlow on 04/22/2009 07:03 AM

nazi's banned cigarettes.

There's nazi propaganda attacking smokers

no -

Stalin was international socialist
Hitler was a national socialist.

Both were collectivists. They just disagreed on the methods.
Both had no regards for the individual.

True - Nationalism is often a value from the right.
& Internationalism is often a value from the left.

However - North Korea is heavily nationalist and communist at the same time.

It's not about right & left - it's about collectivists VS Individualists.

^^ You act as if wrongdoing can only come from the left which is the typical try of the far right to wash their hands in innocence, you try to sell this with playing around with labels and names which mean nothing in the end, it's their deeds that count.

Nazis-fascists are on the far right on worldwide agreement, now try to respond to this!

Historically The left are the revolutionaries and the right are the royalists. (that's from the French revolution)

This old association no longer holds true.

It leads to many wrong assumptions.


such as:


- The right is racist <-> Racism is the monopoly of the right

Clearly wrong!! Racism is present just as much on the left.

- The left is pacifist

Wrong again!

Last Edited by JADR on 04/22/2009 07:24 AM

I can agree to that, tho it doesn't change the fact that nazis are considered extreme rights worldwide ...

^^ ^this was me ^^

FreeFlow is completely incapable of intelligent discussion and debate.

Fact.

This is because you care more about labels then the nature of things.

Dont you know that the extreems on both sides finally meet?

No I am here to counter the far right poopaganda that wants to sell us nazis are lefties ...

Nazis hated liberals, socialists, commies ... how would that fit to a left party?

it is a nice little bit of trickery they like to play withthemselves.

since they like to pretend that US is a "right wing" country (or at least should be, or it is in some ideological sense) they must continue to press the idea that there is no way the "right" has done anything other than defend liberty, eat apple pie, and stave of leftist totalitarianism. thus, the biggest example of murderous fascism we've got - Hitler - gets reconstructed as a 'leftist' never mind his primary aims were to create an industrial aristocracy "supported" by the people, wiped out marxists, liberals, homosexuals, jews, the disabled and other "unwanteds".

So yeah, Nazis were absolutely right wing motherfuckers and this is contested absolutely nowhere except in talk radio fox news land "Amurika" - where what really happened doesn't matter if you're pissed off and angry enough.

EXACTLY and well put AC, totally aligns with my suspicions!

Finally someone who has got it!

Last Edited by FreeFlow on 04/22/2009 08:06 AM

Are you saying Stalin loved liberals?? The reality of goulags seems to disagree with you!

National socialists did not hate socialists - They were socialists themselves. They hated the soviet union because

1) Soviets belonged to an inferior race (acording to nazy doctrin)

2) Soviet's internationalist goals were in stark opposition to the Nazi nationalistic goals. (despite the fact the in reality the goal was the same!! World domination)

You are still defecting, dare to read the post of AC657383 above?

Last Edited by FreeFlow on 04/22/2009 08:08 AM

I agree with you, left and right are almost same just little different make up but ultimately seems to have the same goal. Example current day left seems to love idea of world wide communism (one world governmen,globalism and all that shit) and right (nationalistic) opposes it strongly.

This is a blatant lie, read up official history, socialists died in the camps just like communists, disabled, christians, jews ...

Last Edited by FreeFlow on 04/22/2009 08:12 AM

Please define right & left.

Your continual deflecting-from-the-topics tactics makes you the typical shill ...

Last Edited by FreeFlow on 04/22/2009 08:16 AM

So you are saying that Nazi Germany did not have health care, public housing, youth indoctrination programs, public education etc... ??

Sorry FF you are as usual just the dupe and tool of the cultural marxists - they made sure that the rightwing label got attatched to nasty old Hitler - because they desperately tried to distance him from Russian communism. That is why even though Stalin was nastier than Hitler - he barely gets a mention in MSm or educational material - they made sure that the byword in nastyness was Hitler/rightwing - when in fact he was a socialist through and through - just for mindless sponges like you to absorb and parrot without thinking!

So did the Spartans... I guess they were "marxists" too...
lol

As for the goulags, check who were sent there.

Good points!

Again why were communists socialists liberals put into the nazi death camps then?
Explain this!

If you are incapable of defining left and right - then it shows your lack of understanding.


Here is mine:

Left:
Big government
Big spending in social programs
More equality (at least for some)
Less individualism
Progressist by nature
Favors radical cultural changes - invests in 'new ' arts & 'new' culture
Tends to be more universalist (but is not restricted to that)

Right:
Smaller government
conservative spending
less equality
more individualism
Conservative by nature
Favors a conservative cultural approach (more reactionary)
Tends to me more nationalistic(but is not restricted to that)

Last Edited by JADR on 04/22/2009 08:28 AM

yeah - a lot of people that tried to express their dissatisfaction with the regime...and many more innocents!

Last Edited by JADR on 04/22/2009 08:32 AM

Most prisoners in the early concentration camps were German Communists, Socialists, Social Democrats, Roma (Gypsies), Jehovah's Witnesses, homosexuals, and persons accused of "asocial" or socially deviant behavior.

[link to www.ushmm.org]

I could post hundreds of links that prove this, now you can continue to play the ostrich ...

Last Edited by FreeFlow on 04/22/2009 08:29 AM