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Question On Military Enlistment Oath ~ Can anyone verify this incident?

 
The Jurist
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Question On Military Enlistment Oath ~ Can anyone verify this incident?
Awhile back there were some rumors out in regard to the oath the military takes. Such rumors were not substantiated.

I received this below statement from someone I get information from frequently. It lacked a source

Can anyone verify, or testify to similar incidents?

I have a feeling it is false.



Question On Military Enlistment Oath

This past Saturday evening, I, son, and two grandsons went to the Super Cross races held at Qwest Field in Seattle. Prior to what was a great event, they had an Air Force color guard (woefully out of step) and about twenty young men entering the service on the field. After the national anthem, the new enlistees were given the enlistment oath right on the field. Granted it's been close to forty years since I went through that but I do remember something to the effect that I would uphold the Constitution, etc. The oath they administered Saturday evening didn't mention the Constitution or the law. They swore to obey the 'President of the United States and the officers appointed above them." When did this change? My paranoia is kicking in about what this may mean for the legality of orders issued in any future confrontation between citizens and the military.

Addendum:

The reason this is important is that they may be conditioning people to not rely on the Constitution.
Moreover, one should understand that this may be part and parcel of the slowly cook froggie measure.

Even though I personally believe they cannot do away with it (or a replacement), they want us to be under dictatorship.

Here is the worldwide plan codified in United States law (aka The New World Order):

Title 8 USC § 1101(a)(37). Definitions. The term “totalitarian party” means an organization that advocates the establishment in the United States of a totalitarian dictatorship or totalitarianism. The terms “totalitarian dictatorship” and “totalitarianism” mean and refer to systems of government not representative in fact, characterized by: A) The existence of a single political party, organized on a dictatorial basis, with so close an identity between such party and its policies and the governmental policies of the country in which it exists, that the party and government constitute an indistinguishable unit, and; B) The forcible suppression of opposition to such party.

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Well first off, I doubt that that was even military. They don't swear in military at public events like that. And they do always mention the constitution, at least in the ARMY.
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i would like to know too...if so this is fucked up

Thats why we need this




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Whoa! I'd be curious to know this as well.
anything after 'but' is bullshit!

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Well first off, I doubt that that was even military. They don't swear in military at public events like that. And they do always mention the constitution, at least in the ARMY.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 661407


it may have changed...thats the OP's question...not what used to happen...what is happening
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves, in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it."
- Frédéric Bastiat

food, water, ammo, weapons, battery back up solar, hand well pump, wood stove and 1 year of food...oh yeah PM's too...good luck
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[link to usmilitary.about.com]

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
anything after 'but' is bullshit!

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this is what I found quickly.....
[link to usmilitary.about.com]
SOMEONE must have recorded the event.....parents of the new recruits? Maybe a craigs list ad will produce a copy of the oath that was spoken.....
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Well like I said, the oath remains the same in the ARMY. Can't speak for the other branches.
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I don't know what this is worth, considering how the "government" operates these days, but here are the oaths of enlistment I found on the US Army's own website.

The wordings of the current oath of enlistment and oath for commissioned officers are as follows:

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).

"I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God." (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.)


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Several months ago there was a whole bunch of stuff posted here on GLP about how soldiers were to pledge ALLEGIANCE TO THE PRESIDENT NOT THE CONSTITUTION.

It was proven to be UTTER BS.

It is stuff like this that makes me wish to vote AGAINST rightwingers [I am third party] because manipulators are the most disgusting human beings on this planet.

Quit the BS and start arguing INTELLIGENTLY please.
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I remember, "uphold the Constitution"but I don't remember
obey the president. 36 years ago
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Well first off, I doubt that that was even military. They don't swear in military at public events like that. And they do always mention the constitution, at least in the ARMY.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 661407

That is the main reason I believed it to be false.

It is unfortunate that such things fly around the internet.
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[link to usmilitary.about.com]

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
 Quoting: Sireen-reborn

Thanks SR. This is a viable statement.

If they did in fact recite this at the event, that did have the President named as the report states.
But there is nothing out of line with it, because the Constitution always maintained him to be Commander and Chief of the Military.
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i would like to know too...if so this is fucked up

Thats why we need this


 Quoting: Avian


That is a great presentation.
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Re: Question On Military Enlistment Oath ~ Can anyone verify this incident?
Several months ago there was a whole bunch of stuff posted here on GLP about how soldiers were to pledge ALLEGIANCE TO THE PRESIDENT NOT THE CONSTITUTION.

It was proven to be UTTER BS.

It is stuff like this that makes me wish to vote AGAINST rightwingers [I am third party] because manipulators are the most disgusting human beings on this planet.

Quit the BS and start arguing INTELLIGENTLY please.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 483402

I agree... That is why I posted this. To assist in clearing the air about sending false information around.

We have enough battles without this kind of disinformation floating around.
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I (state your name) do solemnly promise to get drunk in the barracks at night, to be square, and to obey the law of the pack. Amen.
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I just took the oath last week and it definaly said to up hold and defend the constitution
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OP, the same or similiar incident was mentioned in last night's 2 hour Steve Quayle show, supposedly an email Steve got from the person who witnessed the event. If I recall correctly, the people were being inducted into the Air Force. Quayle's show is online right now, both hrs. one and two, at his site.
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I just took the oath last week and it definaly said to up hold and defend the constitution
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That is what has been thought by the GLPer's.

Thanks for filling us in.
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[link to usmilitary.about.com]

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
 Quoting: Sireen-reborn


That's the oath I heard both my USAF daughter and USN son repeat at the end of their basic training. According to them, it is the same one they took when they enlisted.
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OP, the same or similiar incident was mentioned in last night's 2 hour Steve Quayle show, supposedly an email Steve got from the person who witnessed the event. If I recall correctly, the people were being inducted into the Air Force. Quayle's show is online right now, both hrs. one and two, at his site.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 657374

I will try to listen.

Maybe this was just a mock induction to get people's reaction; and they have to slip things in slowly.

Keep us informed of any updates.
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[link to usmilitary.about.com]

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.


That's the oath I heard both my USAF daughter and USN son repeat at the end of their basic training. According to them, it is the same one they took when they enlisted.
 Quoting: Misty 656940

This seems to be the consistent answer.

Last Edited by The Jurist on 04/23/2009 05:31 PM
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I remember, "uphold the Constitution"but I don't remember
obey the president. 36 years ago
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I heard it was watered down to say "Defend the Mission" instead of the Constitution opening them up to be able to take their orders directly from the UN if need be.

I also remember noting at the time of the first Oath Obama took that he said "President to the United States" I thought - gee that's tough to even try to say (no less say it accidentally), I mean don't we all say "President of the United States of America?"

At that time I suggested here that I thought he was perhaps mistakenly using the new oath of office, the one that will be used after the SPP (NAU) is fully implemented.
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^^ I meant that Roberts messed that up - and Obama corrected him and smiled. Kinda like he was nicely reminding the guy that it isn't time for that one yet.
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Re: Question On Military Enlistment Oath ~ Can anyone verify this incident?
Several months ago there was a whole bunch of stuff posted here on GLP about how soldiers were to pledge ALLEGIANCE TO THE PRESIDENT NOT THE CONSTITUTION.

It was proven to be UTTER BS.

It is stuff like this that makes me wish to vote AGAINST rightwingers [I am third party] because manipulators are the most disgusting human beings on this planet.

Quit the BS and start arguing INTELLIGENTLY please.

I agree... That is why I posted this. To assist in clearing the air about sending false information around.

We have enough battles without this kind of disinformation floating around.
 Quoting: The Jurist


pro-obama propaganda perhaps?
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Also, in terms of obeying the President and officers, you can't diminish the significance of the language "according to" regulations and the UCMJ (and impliedly the US Constution, it being the supreme law of the land). It is the sworn duty of all armed forces to not follow and illegal or unlawful order.
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Also, in terms of obeying the President and officers, you can't diminish the significance of the language "according to" regulations and the UCMJ (and impliedly the US Constution, it being the supreme law of the land). It is the sworn duty of all armed forces to not follow an illegal or unlawful order...
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I remember, "uphold the Constitution"but I don't remember
obey the president. 36 years ago
 Quoting: Chawlee

The obey the president part was there in 85. Swore it at MEPS in Chicago. Proud to serve under Reagan!!!
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I remember, "uphold the Constitution"but I don't remember
obey the president. 36 years ago
 Quoting: Chawlee

The obey the president part was there in 85. Swore it at MEPS in Chicago. Proud to serve under Reagan!!!





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