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If your child was kidnapped , Would you want cops to ise torture tthe kidnapper, to save your child sure death ..

 
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If your child was kidnapped , Would you want cops to ise torture tthe kidnapper, to save your child sure death ..
if time is of the essance to save your child..should cops use torture on the kidnapper, to locate the child so as to save its life
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NO.


I want to do it--
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would you support torture on susppeced terrorist to save our civilian's lifes .
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Red is positive

Black is negative

Make sure his balls are good and wet
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if time is of the essance to save your child..should cops use torture on the kidnapper, to locate the child so as to save its life
 Quoting: anonymous 664886



Why make up immaginary scenarios? It isn't happening, and won't.

Don't try to justify evil.
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Re: If your child was kidnapped , Would you want cops to ise torture tthe kidnapper, to save your child sure death ..
I wouldn't want to ask an officer of the law to do something like that but I would probably appreciate a little "technical support" when I went at the fucker with a bucket and a baton.
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Re: If your child was kidnapped , Would you want cops to ise torture tthe kidnapper, to save your child sure death ..
I would think that most kidnappers are with the people they kidnap there fore if yuo have the kidnapper in custody, the kidnapee shoud be near.
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04/26/2009 11:02 PM
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Re: If your child was kidnapped , Would you want cops to ise torture tthe kidnapper, to save your child sure death ..
The problem with torture is you have to make sure they are not just telling you what they think you want to hear.

Not that I would ever torture anyone.

But I recommend Tom Clancy's novel
"Without Remorse"
To study the topic in context.

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Re: If your child was kidnapped , Would you want cops to ise torture tthe kidnapper, to save your child sure death ..
I would think that most kidnappers are with the people they kidnap there fore if yuo have the kidnapper in custody, the kidnapee shoud be near.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 496076

if the child was tied up alone .and time was of essance then people would would hurt that bastard asap to wring out that childs location....yes torture should be used to save enocent civilians lifes from terrorist if there simply is not other way to gain the info ... failure to respond will embolden more death against civilians ..
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no OP

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Re: If your child was kidnapped , Would you want cops to ise torture tthe kidnapper, to save your child sure death ..
Torture is illegal and immoral.

Civilized people and nations do not do it.

This Bullshit senario will not justify my country using the same torture methods that the United States it'self prosicuted Japaneese troops for using after the end of WWII.

You may not have a problem with using torture, but then you may not be civilized or moral either.
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Re: If your child was kidnapped , Would you want cops to ise torture tthe kidnapper, to save your child sure death ..
this is an ugly question. most people would probably go for it if it were their child in question, though conventions are so strong some assholes would probably still hold to their implanted morality.

A lot of people i suspect, would probably violently murder the suspect before they had exstracted any usefull information at all.
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NO torturing DOES NOT WORK. Top interrogators will tell you this and so will McCain.
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Re: If your child was kidnapped , Would you want cops to ise torture tthe kidnapper, to save your child sure death ..
oh wow OP sorry but I don't want to even THINK about that happening.

hf
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Re: If your child was kidnapped , Would you want cops to ise torture tthe kidnapper, to save your child sure death ..
But how often do the police find the kidnapper for certain, they just KNOW it is this guy...

But later it turns out to be someone else.

Would you want the police to just go house to house, torturing everyone until your child is found?

In the heat of the moment, fearing for your child, many would say YES!


Which is why we make it illegal in all circumstances, to prevent human error from harming the innocent.

We can claim it is the moral high ground that we are acting on, but the truth, at least for me, is that you can't have the police torture anyone, because I don't wish to be tortured when they make a mistake.

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Michelle Obama would skin you alive to protect her daughters.
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if time is of the essance to save your child..should cops use torture on the kidnapper, to locate the child so as to save its life
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Pure bullshit. There is no legitimate reason for torture!
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NO.


I want to do it--

would you support torture on susppeced terrorist to save our civilian's lifes .
 Quoting: anonymous 664886


Are you asking whether we should torture our so-called leaders to protect our children?

Hmmmm, what do you think, since you asked it?
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Re: If your child was kidnapped , Would you want cops to ise torture tthe kidnapper, to save your child sure death ..
Iran and those muslim suck countries always torture. Usually beheading.
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if time is of the essance to save your child..should cops use torture on the kidnapper, to locate the child so as to save its life
 Quoting: anonymous 664886

This is a stupid and illogical "question".
You are not looking for an answer or a discussion, you are looking to get into a pro-torture argument.

You are an idiot.
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Re: If your child was kidnapped , Would you want cops to ise torture tthe kidnapper, to save your child sure death ..
Everyone, except Dick Cheney (argueably a psychopath) states that studies have shown that torture does NOT reveal truth. THe person being tortured will say anything to satisfy the torturer and relieve their suffering. Extreme pain makes most people delirious and irrational at best, and also makes them martyrs. If you torture someone to find a child, you can be sure that if this person has an accomplice, that child is now DEAD!

If you have no sense of morality, don't try to create scenarios to encourage others to be the same. Torture does not work. The US waterboarded some guys hundreds of times! Insanity is defined as doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. "Wait! I have an idea. We waterboarded this guy 188 times. Let's do it one more time. I am sure it will work!"
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Re: If your child was kidnapped , Would you want cops to ise torture tthe kidnapper, to save your child sure death ..
what if you had the wrong suspect and you tortured him to death because he wouldn't tell you what he didn't know?
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if time is of the essance to save your child..should cops use torture on the kidnapper, to locate the child so as to save its life
 Quoting: anonymous 664886


The real question is would you be fine with the fact that the cops might torture you if they THINK you have information (regardless if you have or not, since if they knew for sure then the torturing part wouldn't be necessary most likely) that could save someone kids (or your own).
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Re: If your child was kidnapped , Would you want cops to ise torture tthe kidnapper, to save your child sure death ..
Everyone, except Dick Cheney (argueably a psychopath) states that studies have shown that torture does NOT reveal truth. THe person being tortured will say anything to satisfy the torturer and relieve their suffering. Extreme pain makes most people delirious and irrational at best, and also makes them martyrs. If you torture someone to find a child, you can be sure that if this person has an accomplice, that child is now DEAD!

If you have no sense of morality, don't try to create scenarios to encourage others to be the same. Torture does not work. The US waterboarded some guys hundreds of times! Insanity is defined as doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. "Wait! I have an idea. We waterboarded this guy 188 times. Let's do it one more time. I am sure it will work!"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 686697


I'm afraid that's not the reason why they torture.

The reason has much to do with learning about certain occult secrets and of the future. One must be brought close to death and the torturer can gain a certain knowledge.

The same evil souls incarnating now in the West, are the ones who carried out the Inquisition.

More on this I cannot speak.
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There would be no need-
I would have already done it doomsol
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Re: If your child was kidnapped , Would you want cops to ise torture tthe kidnapper, to save your child sure death ..
There is a great deal of difference in a parent fighting to defend a child, and allowing our Government/Police to torture suspects, now isn't there??


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Re: If your child was kidnapped , Would you want cops to ise torture tthe kidnapper, to save your child sure death ..
what if you had the wrong suspect and you tortured him to death because he wouldn't tell you what he didn't know?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 685413

You like some others on this thread are evading the question. The question has nothing to do with having the "WRONG" person. It says nothing about have a suspect. Read the question again.

"if time is of the essance to save your child..should cops use torture on the kidnapper, to locate the child so as to save its life?"

The person is NOT a suspect in the question. The person is either the kidnapper or one of the kidnappers. Can't you answer the question without going in circles? You want me to believe that if a person has actually kidnapped your child and tells you "yes I did it, but I am not going to tell you where the child is" then yells "GOD IS GREAT", you will just say I love you?

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if time is of the essance to save your child..should cops use torture on the kidnapper, to locate the child so as to save its life



Why make up immaginary scenarios? It isn't happening, and won't.

Don't try to justify evil.
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Agreed
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Psa 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, [and] all the nations that forget God.
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Re: If your child was kidnapped , Would you want cops to ise torture tthe kidnapper, to save your child sure death ..
If a pedophille sociopath is holding my child captive and wouldn't talk, then yeah, i don't care what the cops do.
If the criminal cartel in Mexico is holding my child captive at ransom and they won't talk and the only way to find out where the child is is through torture tactics, the yeah, use torture.

I won't knock your observation here but maybe after the movie SAW I, you should've quit the sequals.
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Re: If your child was kidnapped , Would you want cops to ise torture tthe kidnapper, to save your child sure death ..
I'll jump into this....

Assuming there are no other options (i.e drugs)....

Yes I would. I don’t care about anything other then saving my daughter.

I don’t think this scenario equates a country doing wholesale torture.

The issue with the stated scenario is time. You wouldn’t have time to win the trust and finesse the information from the kidnapper. Brute force is all you would have at your disposal if it’s a “time of the essence” situation.
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Re: If your child was kidnapped , Would you want cops to ise torture tthe kidnapper, to save your child sure death ..
I agree with most.

I could peel you like an onion to save my kids. But I could not condone institutionalized torture.





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