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DO VIRUSES REALLY EXIST?

 
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IF I POSTED A PICTURE OF A WHOLE JUICY STEAL ALONGSIDE SOME ROTTED PROTEINS FROM THE STEAK, YOU WOULD MAKE THE SAME COMMENT AND BE JUST AS WRONG.

BUT I FORGET, ITS EASIER TO MAKE MINDLESS JIBES THAN READ, LEARN AND DIGEST THE TEXT.

GL
 Quoting: GREY LENSMAN 668152


I'm sure your post makes perfect sense to you...

What this has to do with the fact that Virii have absolutely nothing in common with Mitochondria, I can not possibly imagine...
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SEEMS YOU HAVE NO IMAGINATION BESIDES YOUR OTHER WEAKNESSES.

THE POINT IS, MADE VERY WELL IN THE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS, IS THAT........

VIRUSES ARE JUST JUNK, FRAGMENTS OF THIS AND THAT IN THE PROCESS OF BEING DISPOSED OF.

BUT THEN YOU KNEW THAT.


THEY EVEN STATED THAT CELLS ARE MILLIONS OF TIMES LARGER, LIKE MY STEAK ANALOGY TO A PILE OF A FEW PROTEINS.

GL
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SEEMS YOU HAVE NO IMAGINATION BESIDES YOUR OTHER WEAKNESSES.

THE POINT IS, MADE VERY WELL IN THE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS, IS THAT........

VIRUSES ARE JUST JUNK, FRAGMENTS OF THIS AND THAT IN THE PROCESS OF BEING DISPOSED OF.

BUT THEN YOU KNEW THAT.


THEY EVEN STATED THAT CELLS ARE MILLIONS OF TIMES LARGER, LIKE MY STEAK ANALOGY TO A PILE OF A FEW PROTEINS.

GL
 Quoting: GREY LENSMAN 668152


Ayuh...

My bad...

The fact that Mitochondria can not exist outside a cell was confusing me...The fact that a case can be made that Mitochondrion genomes are similar to 'Bacterial' genomes, but have absolutely nothing in common with Virii, was confusing me too...

Thanks for setting me, the entire medical community, and the rest of the scientific world 'straight'...

rolleyes
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there..deare..digestion was a quest..?

Derren Brown is a unique force in the world of illusion - he can seemingly predict and control human behaviour.

He doesn't claim to be a mind-reader, instead he describes his craft as a mixture of magic, suggestion, psychology, misdirection and showmanship.

Whatever you choose to call it
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"VIRUSES ARE JUST JUNK, FRAGMENTS OF THIS AND THAT IN THE PROCESS OF BEING DISPOSED OF."



Good morning GL.

I wonder if your comment above is related to
Miasms?

Miasms are imbalances residing in the cells..they
are areas that have lack of lifeforce/light.

Miasmatic traits include "viruses" or bacteria that
lie dormant in our cells for many years as well as
many generations and under certain conditions flare
up/healing reaction to be cleared/released when lifeforce
penetrates this void of light.




"FACT IS BIG PHARMA, CONTROLS MEDICINE FOR PROFIT

FACT IS BIG PHARMA ARE THE BIGGEST CROOKS, JUST LOOK AT THE FINES, SETTLEMENTS AND AWARDS THEY HAVE TO MAKE, EVERY YEAR, AND YOU TRUST THEM."

indeed.
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It's all interesting, but no one can deny that we've all suffered from a 'virus' in our lives. If 'viruses' don't exist, then why were we sick?
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NO PROBLEM , MY PLEASURE.

SEALED YOUR FATE WITH THIS GEM

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The fact that Mitochondria can not exist outside a cell was confusing me

UNQUOTE

SO WHEN A CELL DIES AND BREAKS UP, THEY JUST DISAPPEAR, LIKE MAGIC..........................

OH BY THE WAY, I AM NOT YET CONVINCED AT ALL ABOUT THE HYPOTHESIS RE VIRUSES NOT EXISTING BUT ITS MAKING GREATER SENSE ALL THE TIME.

TO MANY HOLES IN THE DEBATE, THE HIV ON IS A KILLER.

GL
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you have to be fucking joking? This is a joke thread right?
Tell your theory to all those poor souls that were destroyed by smallpox or the native populations destroyed by measles when first exposed to the great unwashed explorers. You're all fucking mad.
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It's all interesting, but no one can deny that we've all suffered from a 'virus' in our lives. If 'viruses' don't exist, then why were we sick?

UNQUOTE

TO ANSWER THIS IN PART BUT ITS ENOUGH , JUST READ THE POSTS ABOVE.

SMALLPOX AND MOST KILLER DISEASES WERE WIPED OUT BY BETTER FOOD BETTER SANITATION AND MOST IMPORTANT CLEAN WATER.

I SEE NO DIS-SERVICE TO THE DEAD BY STATING THE OBVIOUS WHEREAS BIG PHARMA, IN ONE CASE ALONE, SETTLED FIVE BILLION DOLLARS ON THE 55,000 SOULS THEY MURDERED.

GL
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The fact that Mitochondria can not exist outside a cell was confusing me

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 Quoting: GREY LENSMAN 668152


sigh

Sure...You can have a whole bunch of them in a jar by using Cell Fractionation...

Doesn't mean that they are in working condition as in 'existing' to do what their original function was (as in supply ATP, etc.)...

I see you conveniently ignored the fact that the Mitochondria genome is very similar to that of 'Bacteria', and not 'Virus'...

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MY GOD, CONCRETE SKULL, NOBODY IN THIS TOPIC IS TALKING ABOUT LIVING THINGS BUT DEAD THINGS, BROKEN UP, NO LONGER EXISTING.

THATS WHAT FRAGMENT REMAINS MEANS.

GL
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MY GOD, CONCRETE SKULL, NOBODY IN THIS TOPIC IS TALKING ABOUT LIVING THINGS BUT DEAD THINGS, BROKEN UP, NO LONGER EXISTING.

THATS WHAT FRAGMENT REMAINS MEANS.

GL
 Quoting: GREY LENSMAN 668152


I know what the guy is saying...

Don't blame me because he is talking out his ass...
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THANK YOU FOR CALLING HIM.IT.SHE WHAT IT IS

GL
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IN VIEW OF ALL THE HYPE, HERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE IDEA.

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One man who was a disciple of Dr. Herbert Shelton was T. C. Fry. He was head of a fasting clinic near Burnet, Texas, and was head of Life Science Institute, a college here in Austin that teaches Natural Hygiene. He taught thousands of people, in­cluding several medical doctors and many chiropractors. I learned something from him that at first astounded me. I thought, “This man is crazy! This is impossible!” He said that viruses do not exist! He said THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIRUS! Why would he say that?

T. C. Fry said that so called “viruses” are parts of the cell, they are cell “garbage” that results when cells die and are bro­ken down. There are about 75 trillion cells in a human body. I re­member in school we used to study “the simple cell”. I have since found out that each cell has about 40,000 parts to it (depends on the kind of cell it is). These parts are called or­ganelles. One kind of organelle in the cell is called a mitochon­dria. The mitochondria is a blueprint or template, something like a tri-square that a carpenter uses. The mitochondria is a guide the cell uses to manufacture ATP from glucose, which produces energy. When the body decides to replace a cell, it first creates another cell by a process called mitosis. Old dead cells are digested by a hydrolytic enzyme called lysosome. The mitochondria contain DNA which are generally coated by a double protein sheath and are a little bit harder to digest than the rest of the cell. These mitochondrion (or more specifically, the DNA) are what doctors are calling viruses. The virus does not destroy the cell, it’s the other way around. “...lysosomes, for example, are membrane-enclosed bodies that store enzymes that digest or degrade proteins, DNA, or RNA....The monomers formed as a product of this digestion (amino acids, nucleotides, and so forth) are then reused in the synthesis of new molecules” (p. 16, Viruses, Arnold J. Levine, 1992, Scientific American Library).

UNQUOTE

FROM

THE VIRUS CON—A LETHAL GAME!

by Calvin Burgin 4/17/97

IT IS CLEAR FROM THE MASSIVE HYPE FROM ALL DIRECTIONS THAT SWINE FLU DOES NOT NOR CAN EXISTS. ITS ALL SMOKE.

GL
 Quoting: GREY LENSMAN


Fasting Clinic?
"The One Who Knows" Calvin Burgin?

T.C Fry?? He was an AIDS denier.

What a bunch of shit! Got anything from the Flim Flam Man?

GL YOU REALLY LET ME DOWN POSTING THIS CRAP AND TO WHAT END?

Virus Structure

Viruses are not plants, animals, or bacteria, but they are the quintessential parasites of the living kingdoms. Although they may seem like living organisms because of their prodigious reproductive abilities, viruses are not living organisms in the strict sense of the word.

Without a host cell, viruses cannot carry out their life-sustaining functions or reproduce. They cannot synthesize proteins, because they lack ribosomes and must use the ribosomes of their host cells to translate viral messenger RNA into viral proteins. Viruses cannot generate or store energy in the form of adenosine triphosphate (ATP), but have to derive their energy, and all other metabolic functions, from the host cell. They also parasitize the cell for basic building materials, such as amino acids, nucleotides, and lipids (fats). Although viruses have been speculated as being a form of protolife, their inability to survive without living organisms makes it highly unlikely that they preceded cellular life during the Earth's early evolution. Some scientists speculate that viruses started as rogue segments of genetic code that adapted to a parasitic existence.

All viruses contain nucleic acid, either DNA or RNA (but not both), and a protein coat, which encases the nucleic acid. Some viruses are also enclosed by an envelope of fat and protein molecules. In its infective form, outside the cell, a virus particle is called a virion. Each virion contains at least one unique protein synthesized by specific genes in its nucleic acid. Viroids (meaning "viruslike") are disease-causing organisms that contain only nucleic acid and have no structural proteins. Other viruslike particles called prions are composed primarily of a protein tightly integrated with a small nucleic acid molecule.

Viruses are generally classified by the organisms they infect, animals, plants, or bacteria. Since viruses cannot penetrate plant cell walls, virtually all plant viruses are transmitted by insects or other organisms that feed on plants. Certain bacterial viruses, such as the T4 bacteriophage, have evolved an elaborate process of infection. The virus has a "tail" which it attaches to the bacterium surface by means of proteinaceous "pins." The tail contracts and the tail plug penetrates the cell wall and underlying membrane, injecting the viral nucleic acids into the cell. Viruses are further classified into families and genera based on three structural considerations: 1) the type and size of their nucleic acid, 2) the size and shape of the capsid, and 3) whether they have a lipid envelope surrounding the nucleocapsid (the capsid enclosed nucleic acid).

There are predominantly two kinds of shapes found amongst viruses: rods, or filaments, and spheres. The rod shape is due to the linear array of the nucleic acid and the protein subunits making up the capsid. The sphere shape is actually a 20-sided polygon (icosahedron).

The nature of viruses wasn't understood until the twentieth century, but their effects had been observed for centuries. British physician Edward Jenner even discovered the principle of inoculation in the late eighteenth century, after he observed that people who contracted the mild cowpox disease were generally immune to the deadlier smallpox disease. By the late nineteenth century, scientists knew that some agent was causing a disease of tobacco plants, but would not grow on an artificial medium (like bacteria) and was too small to be seen through a light microscope. Advances in live cell culture and microscopy in the twentieth century eventually allowed scientists to identify viruses. Advances in genetics dramatically improved the identification process.

• Capsid - The capsid is the protein shell that encloses the nucleic acid; with its enclosed nucleic acid, it is called the nucleocapsid. This shell is composed of protein organized in subunits known as capsomers. They are closely associated with the nucleic acid and reflect its configuration, either a rod-shaped helix or a polygon-shaped sphere. The capsid has three functions: 1) it protects the nucleic acid from digestion by enzymes, 2) contains special sites on its surface that allow the virion to attach to a host cell, and 3) provides proteins that enable the virion to penetrate the host cell membrane and, in some cases, to inject the infectious nucleic acid into the cell's cytoplasm. Under the right conditions, viral RNA in a liquid suspension of protein molecules will self-assemble a capsid to become a functional and infectious virus.

• Envelope - Many types of virus have a glycoprotein envelope surrounding the nucleocapsid. The envelope is composed of two lipid layers interspersed with protein molecules (lipoprotein bilayer) and may contain material from the membrane of a host cell as well as that of viral origin. The virus obtains the lipid molecules from the cell membrane during the viral budding process. However, the virus replaces the proteins in the cell membrane with its own proteins, creating a hybrid structure of cell-derived lipids and virus-derived proteins. Many viruses also develop spikes made of glycoprotein on their envelopes that help them to attach to specific cell surfaces.

• Nucleic Acid - Just as in cells, the nucleic acid of each virus encodes the genetic information for the synthesis of all proteins. While the double-stranded DNA is responsible for this in prokaryotic and eukaryotic cells, only a few groups of viruses use DNA. Most viruses maintain all their genetic information with the single-stranded RNA. There are two types of RNA-based viruses. In most, the genomic RNA is termed a plus strand because it acts as messenger RNA for direct synthesis (translation) of viral protein. A few, however, have negative strands of RNA. In these cases, the virion has an enzyme, called RNA-dependent RNA polymerase (transcriptase), which must first catalyze the production of complementary messenger RNA from the virion genomic RNA before viral protein synthesis can occur.

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THANKS FOR THE NICE DESCRIPTION OF DEAD JUNK

CHRYSLER DESTROYS VIRUSES AS WELL.

SMILE

GL
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Miasms?
in cells...
in.. Relation of The Planetary Centres:
Are they those as Pleyadds in this Universal cell - the mithochondrial one - related to the speach too
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as..outside there are stored somewhere..or,ducted
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The fact that Mitochondria can not exist outside a cell was confusing me

UNQUOTE

SO WHEN A CELL DIES AND BREAKS UP, THEY JUST DISAPPEAR, LIKE MAGIC..........................-----------------------------​------------------
i think the working on that is going on...
GREY LENSMAN  (OP)

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JUST READ FREE FLOWS POST

ANOTHER EXPERT, CALMING THE FIELD, QUOTES THE MYTH ABOUT 36,000 DYING IN THE USA EVERY YEAR FROM FLU.

THAT REALLY TELLS YOU WHAT IS GOING ON.

HYPE.

GL
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A timid but good attempt to wake some from their slumber. I'm glad to see that I'm not alone OP.

viruses don't exist (unless you think they do), but fairy tales do.

the sheeple love fairy tales = gives meaning to their lives.
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It's all interesting, but no one can deny that we've all suffered from a 'virus' in our lives. If 'viruses' don't exist, then why were we sick?
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welcome to one of 'those' questions that will lead you 'out of the box'.

but the most important question is: how many people fail to ask this same question?
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THE SO CALLED MEDICAL DESCRIPTION OF A VIRUS WAS NICE BUT IT DOES NOT SAY HOW

THEY INVADE

HOW THEY HIDE

HOW THE REPRODUCE

BUT IT DOES ADMIT THEY ARE NOT LIVING

CLEVER DEAD STUFF

GL
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JUST LOOK AT HUGE HIV AIDS CONTROVERSY. NUMBERS SURGE WHEN THEY CHANGE THE NAME, DISEASES DISAPPEAR WHEN THEY CHANGE THE NAME. ITS ALL A CON.

GL
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Many deaths in Africa are attributed to AIDS, when in fact they were actually caused by other diseases, e.g- malaria, diphtheria.

But lets all just keep watching t.v. and bathing in ignorance, right?

I think former conservative M.P. [U.K.] Jeffrey Archer ran off with about £2,000,000 in charitable donations made by people who wanted to help the African AIDS problem [construct].

I'm not giving any links; do your own research.

Good shout, O.P.
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NO YOU ARE. PLEASE DEFINE 99%

FYI ASTRONOMERS ADMIT 99% OF THEIR EVIDENCE FOR THEIR DISCREDITED THEORIES IS MISSING, SO WHATS THE BIG DEAL.

FACT IS BIG PHARMA, CONTROLS MEDICINE FOR PROFIT

FACT IS BIG PHARMA ARE THE BIGGEST CROOKS, JUST LOOK AT THE FINES, SETTLEMENTS AND AWARDS THEY HAVE TO MAKE, EVERY YEAR, AND YOU TRUST THEM.

GL
 Quoting: GREY LENSMAN

Lets say everything you said about "BigPharma" is right, and they are even WORSE.

That still does not take away from the fact that viruses clearly are "lifeforms" and they are unique and different from bacteria, plant cells and animal cells.

You would have to set aside virtually ALL evidence about viruses, or 99%, to be able to even suggest this claim, let alone prove it.
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It's all interesting, but no one can deny that we've all suffered from a 'virus' in our lives. If 'viruses' don't exist, then why were we sick?

UNQUOTE

TO ANSWER THIS IN PART BUT ITS ENOUGH , JUST READ THE POSTS ABOVE.

SMALLPOX AND MOST KILLER DISEASES WERE WIPED OUT BY BETTER FOOD BETTER SANITATION AND MOST IMPORTANT CLEAN WATER.

I SEE NO DIS-SERVICE TO THE DEAD BY STATING THE OBVIOUS WHEREAS BIG PHARMA, IN ONE CASE ALONE, SETTLED FIVE BILLION DOLLARS ON THE 55,000 SOULS THEY MURDERED.

GL
 Quoting: GREY LENSMAN 668152

Huge flaw in that logic.

Smallpox is wiped out in third world area like Africa, South/Central America and Asia.

They have terrible living conditions. Their water, alone, can account for a huge number of deaths and diseases every year.

Yet, they don't have smallpox, why is that?
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grey

have you ever heard of DR.Young -- he has some good
pointers -- I don't like that he sells stuff so expensive
but his research in impeccable.

[link to www.phmiracleliving.com]

He has a few you tube videos

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the same number, as you know
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