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Where is the best place to be to survive

 
Duncan Kunz

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If you don't have a remote or rural piece of property now and are working it now to get it ready, I think it's too late.

This business about "living off the land until you can...." is crapola.

Maybe one in a thousand Americans (one in ten thousand would probably be more like it) could actually grab a bug-out bag, get a half-tank of gasoline's distance from wherever you are and actually live off the land. You'd likely end up injuring yourself, eating the wrong mushroom, or getting shot by either another survivalist-wannabee or by a farmer who is already there, knows what the hell he's doing, and doesn't want to share.
Where's the EVIDENCE, Jim?
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I'm stakin' it on Texas...
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Woot! Second choice: Middle Tennessee.
T For Texas, T For Tennessee!


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Re: Where is the best place to be to survive
yeah
Probably close to a small town. Water, pond, grazing land, small crops, mountains to keep the wind off ya, game if ya need it. I got a long list. I'm thinking Ozarks or somewhere In montana, wyoming
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Montana and Wyoming are beautiful. But tons of snow all winter long plus being so close to Yellowstone would keep them both off my list.

When my husband and I were young newlyweds we moved up to mountains (Sierra Nevadas) from city. We bought bare land and went from there. It was the best choice we ever made. I loved the back-to-basics lifestyle.

If you buy bare land at first make sure you are aware of all easements, the well depths of neighboring properties, perc and mantle for septic, mining rights, etc. Easements across your property for neighboring properties can make your life hell and so can an outside party that owns mining rights on your property.

For well make sure you have another way of pumping if electricity goes out.

A pond is a good idea for fish and for irrigation.

Besides garden and food storage get some good books or take classes on wildcrafting. You'd be surprised how much food is out there free for the taking compliments of mother nature.

Another must is wood stove for heating and cooking. We also had just a regular fireplace and put a cooking grate on a swiveled arm that went over flames/coals and then away when not cooking. It was like an indoor bar-b-que.

We also put in solar. We had water pipes running under the wood stove that would heat the water during winter when solar wasn't up to par. The hot water running from the wood stove also went into wall heaters with fans. Our fuel bill was extremely low all year round.

Also chicken coop and garden a must. Here's an idea. Build a large coop and fenced yard for them. Fence it down middle with a gate to both yards of coop, besides the gates to outside. Make coop so that 1/2 can be closed off to the other yard. Put garden on one side and chickens on other side first year. Next year reverse it. Your soil will be rich, fertilized and ready to use each ear by alternating chickens with garden. If you want to keep those chickens really safe than wire underground (at least for a few feet in all around perimeter) and over top besides the four sides.

Good luck. You won't regret it especially if you do some research first.
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I'm stakin' it on Texas...

Woot! Second choice: Middle Tennessee.
 Quoting: snark



spent a lot of time there on the North Carolina and Tennesee border...

I've got family land in Louisiana, and the swamps are MY FRIENDS, but it's a 7 hour drive at highway speeds and 10 to 20 days walk...

We have a pretty good setup now with BO plans to a lake north of here if forced out...

and if push come to shove, we'll go home to the swamps...

for now? CenTex is it... and NO not survivalism off the land... SurThrivalism...

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Re: Where is the best place to be to survive
doomers forum got the info you are looking for

[link to www.doomers.us]

threads about survival locations, gardening
and general preps

good luck to you, your skills will be more
than just helpful to you

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doomers forum got the info you are looking for

[link to www.doomers.us]

threads about survival locations, gardening
and general preps

good luck to you, your skills will be more
than just helpful to you

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LATOC is a good site...
Duncan Kunz

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I used to go to LATOC; it was the concept of Peak Oil that got my wife and I off our butts as regards serious preps.

But there's simply too much bickering there, with a lot of hoo-rawing anyone who doesn't mouth the official politically correct party line regarding the timetables for peak oil crash, etc.

That said, I learned a lot in six months or so of LATOC-ing. Some of it was bunk, and some of it was good. I guess it's like anything else: look at everything with a healthy skepticism.
Where's the EVIDENCE, Jim?
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If you don't have a remote or rural piece of property now and are working it now to get it ready, I think it's too late.

This business about "living off the land until you can...." is crapola.

Maybe one in a thousand Americans (one in ten thousand would probably be more like it) could actually grab a bug-out bag, get a half-tank of gasoline's distance from wherever you are and actually live off the land. You'd likely end up injuring yourself, eating the wrong mushroom, or getting shot by either another survivalist-wannabee or by a farmer who is already there, knows what the hell he's doing, and doesn't want to share.
 Quoting: Duncan Kunz

You are exactly correct. I laugh deeply at the folks that show up around here through the years, and are reading books to learn how to be a survivalist. I have lived as a survivalist since the day I was born, in 1952 to be exact. Although I do not today, I have lived without running water, indoor facilities, with wood heat only, and any other type of survivalist brainstorms that anyone can come up with. I have had a garden, hogs, cattle, chickens, turkeys, and lots of stored food as a way of life. I know how to shoot game, butcher animals, freeze and can vegetables, and I don't share with sidewalk cowboys. I share with the older people in my area that are unable to do all these things for themselves. I keep quite a supply of guns and ammo just for protection mainly, as it takes very little to shoot animals for food. If you were to survey my neighborhood, would find most of us live this way, and have all our lives.
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Re: Where is the best place to be to survive
queensland
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If you don't have a remote or rural piece of property now and are working it now to get it ready, I think it's too late.

This business about "living off the land until you can...." is crapola.

Maybe one in a thousand Americans (one in ten thousand would probably be more like it) could actually grab a bug-out bag, get a half-tank of gasoline's distance from wherever you are and actually live off the land. You'd likely end up injuring yourself, eating the wrong mushroom, or getting shot by either another survivalist-wannabee or by a farmer who is already there, knows what the hell he's doing, and doesn't want to share.

You are exactly correct. I laugh deeply at the folks that show up around here through the years, and are reading books to learn how to be a survivalist. I have lived as a survivalist since the day I was born, in 1952 to be exact. Although I do not today, I have lived without running water, indoor facilities, with wood heat only, and any other type of survivalist brainstorms that anyone can come up with. I have had a garden, hogs, cattle, chickens, turkeys, and lots of stored food as a way of life. I know how to shoot game, butcher animals, freeze and can vegetables, and I don't share with sidewalk cowboys. I share with the older people in my area that are unable to do all these things for themselves. I keep quite a supply of guns and ammo just for protection mainly, as it takes very little to shoot animals for food. If you were to survey my neighborhood, would find most of us live this way, and have all our lives.
 Quoting: Dirtfarmer



You mean an old Ranger wouldn't have a chance
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I will instill pride in all I train. Pride in self, in the Army, and in Country.
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queensland
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How in the blazes does a Yank get down there to stay? Never have been on that continent
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I will instill pride in all I train. Pride in self, in the Army, and in Country.
I will insist that each soldier meets and maintains the Army standards of military bearing and courtesy, consistent with the highest traditions of the U.S. Army.
I will lead by example, never requiring a soldier to attempt any task I would not do myself.
But first, last, and always, I am an American Soldier. Sworn to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, both foreign and domestic.
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You're welcome (it's actually 'sister') :)

Did you make any decisions about what to do?
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Listen to yourself .
Go with what your heart feels then align that with reasoning and practical approaches..
Then you will find your way in both ways and meet with conclusions and resolutions..
Ponder and research give yourself time..

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Re: Where is the best place to be to survive
Alaska.


actually, being in harmony with where you are is key, know the land. if really major earth changes do occur some of us will not survive. People die every day it is part of life. So be happy where you are and be in the Now.
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Wouldn't the government 'find' you if you were living off the land? Especially if you are living off the 'government land'. I mean the government owns (or has confiscated) almost all of the available land.
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Re: Where is the best place to be to survive
no such place. your gonna die one way or another -

"A short Tale of a Survivalist"

He escaped the irradiation and plague, ran through the hollows and fields, but only found eleysium after the stupid coward tripped and hit his head on a stone.
and with his dieing breath he gasped- "i made it"
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Pretty sure in Australia in the mountains or outback. Maybe Tasmania, but there is a lot of air traffic going to be there at some point...maybe.
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[link to www.homesteadingwithozarkguy.com]

[link to www.survivalrealty.com]



Thank you, brother






You're welcome (it's actually 'sister') :)

Did you make any decisions about what to do?
 Quoting: Windsage4 nli 625711



I've been told to stay put (Spirit)for a bit. I've got things I'm supposed to do. Thanks anyway sis. But keep me on your list

Last Edited by dschis on 05/09/2009 11:41 AM
I will assist each individual in their efforts to become a highly motivated, well disciplined, physically and mentally fit soldier, capable of defeating any enemy on today's modern battlefield.
I will instill pride in all I train. Pride in self, in the Army, and in Country.
I will insist that each soldier meets and maintains the Army standards of military bearing and courtesy, consistent with the highest traditions of the U.S. Army.
I will lead by example, never requiring a soldier to attempt any task I would not do myself.
But first, last, and always, I am an American Soldier. Sworn to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, both foreign and domestic.
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no such place. your gonna die one way or another -

"A short Tale of a Survivalist"

He escaped the irradiation and plague, ran through the hollows and fields, but only found eleysium after the stupid coward tripped and hit his head on a stone.
and with his dieing breath he gasped- "i made it"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 672404


I'm not afraid of dying. It's just a transition
I will assist each individual in their efforts to become a highly motivated, well disciplined, physically and mentally fit soldier, capable of defeating any enemy on today's modern battlefield.
I will instill pride in all I train. Pride in self, in the Army, and in Country.
I will insist that each soldier meets and maintains the Army standards of military bearing and courtesy, consistent with the highest traditions of the U.S. Army.
I will lead by example, never requiring a soldier to attempt any task I would not do myself.
But first, last, and always, I am an American Soldier. Sworn to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, both foreign and domestic.
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Pretty sure in Australia in the mountains or outback. Maybe Tasmania, but there is a lot of air traffic going to be there at some point...maybe.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 672742



A place that I've never been. An old Yank like me couldn't get in though.
I will assist each individual in their efforts to become a highly motivated, well disciplined, physically and mentally fit soldier, capable of defeating any enemy on today's modern battlefield.
I will instill pride in all I train. Pride in self, in the Army, and in Country.
I will insist that each soldier meets and maintains the Army standards of military bearing and courtesy, consistent with the highest traditions of the U.S. Army.
I will lead by example, never requiring a soldier to attempt any task I would not do myself.
But first, last, and always, I am an American Soldier. Sworn to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, both foreign and domestic.
dschis  (OP)

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Re: Where is the best place to be to survive
I'm stakin' it on Texas...

Woot! Second choice: Middle Tennessee.
 Quoting: snark



Where in Tennessee? I was born there, spent a little time, but the real estate seems over priced
I will assist each individual in their efforts to become a highly motivated, well disciplined, physically and mentally fit soldier, capable of defeating any enemy on today's modern battlefield.
I will instill pride in all I train. Pride in self, in the Army, and in Country.
I will insist that each soldier meets and maintains the Army standards of military bearing and courtesy, consistent with the highest traditions of the U.S. Army.
I will lead by example, never requiring a soldier to attempt any task I would not do myself.
But first, last, and always, I am an American Soldier. Sworn to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, both foreign and domestic.
dschis  (OP)

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I'm stakin' it on Texas...

Woot! Second choice: Middle Tennessee.



spent a lot of time there on the North Carolina and Tennesee border...

I've got family land in Louisiana, and the swamps are MY FRIENDS, but it's a 7 hour drive at highway speeds and 10 to 20 days walk...

We have a pretty good setup now with BO plans to a lake north of here if forced out...

and if push come to shove, we'll go home to the swamps...

for now? CenTex is it... and NO not survivalism off the land... SurThrivalism...

Agriculture/Livestock/FruitTrees
 Quoting: Enigma


I know what you mean abut la place de acadian. I was raised there , I've folks there (Monroe) and an uncle that wants me run his farm

Last Edited by dschis on 05/09/2009 12:30 PM
I will assist each individual in their efforts to become a highly motivated, well disciplined, physically and mentally fit soldier, capable of defeating any enemy on today's modern battlefield.
I will instill pride in all I train. Pride in self, in the Army, and in Country.
I will insist that each soldier meets and maintains the Army standards of military bearing and courtesy, consistent with the highest traditions of the U.S. Army.
I will lead by example, never requiring a soldier to attempt any task I would not do myself.
But first, last, and always, I am an American Soldier. Sworn to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, both foreign and domestic.
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Alice Springs...Australia. Its in the middle of a very large country...where no tsunamis can reach....and no fault lines occur. Its boring there and full of abos...but if you REALLY want to live...even without anything uplifting or interesting happening...there is your place.
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One reason I guess I have to stay for a while.


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I will assist each individual in their efforts to become a highly motivated, well disciplined, physically and mentally fit soldier, capable of defeating any enemy on today's modern battlefield.
I will instill pride in all I train. Pride in self, in the Army, and in Country.
I will insist that each soldier meets and maintains the Army standards of military bearing and courtesy, consistent with the highest traditions of the U.S. Army.
I will lead by example, never requiring a soldier to attempt any task I would not do myself.
But first, last, and always, I am an American Soldier. Sworn to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, both foreign and domestic.





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