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Anonymous Coward User ID: 145040 United States 05/04/2009 02:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not only is this individual stripped of all Constitutional rights to due process but the person in question is a juvenile American citizen. Does anyone know what the ACLU is doing about this? Hopefully they're involved, since this is a clear violation of civil liberties and has Supreme Court written all over it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 659821 United States 05/04/2009 10:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So how is Obama coming along on repealing the Patriot Act? The Constitutional scholar he claims to be and all? Oh, he's been too busy trying to get the govt immunity for spying on people under FISA (that he didn't want to vote for but did anyway, remember?). |
Cranky User ID: 586322 United States 05/04/2009 11:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Over the years the career and educational paths our national leaders has been a travesty. Lawyers working for global financial interests or actual business people involved on the global scale who possess various legal degrees or even immigrants with ZERO legal or governmental have positioned themselves in our sphere. Now there are enough of them so that we can see them strip off the cloak of secrecy that they once needed. They have conjured the greatest coup d'état of all time and have converted a Constitutional Republic into a Communist Nation State. Look all over the Government and you will see possibly less than 10 total members that still behave and vote like they are honorable. Beyond that this article here is the stuff that NATRIONAL REVOLTS start over. The way I see it the sooner the better. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 659821 United States 05/04/2009 11:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Over the years the career and educational paths our national leaders has been a travesty. Lawyers working for global financial interests or actual business people involved on the global scale who possess various legal degrees or even immigrants with ZERO legal or governmental have positioned themselves in our sphere. Now there are enough of them so that we can see them strip off the cloak of secrecy that they once needed. Quoting: Cranky 586322They have conjured the greatest coup d'état of all time and have converted a Constitutional Republic into a Communist Nation State. Look all over the Government and you will see possibly less than 10 total members that still behave and vote like they are honorable. Beyond that this article here is the stuff that NATRIONAL REVOLTS start over. The way I see it the sooner the better. Or people just stick their heads in the sand and pretend like this stuff doesn't happen. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 508905 United States 05/05/2009 12:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ashton now sits in a juvenile facility in South Bend, Ind. His mother has had little access to him since his arrest. She has gone to her state representatives as well as attorneys, seeking assistance, but, she said, there is nothing she can do. Lundeby said the USA Patriot Act stripped her son of his due process rights. This is INSANE. No Habeus Corpus = TYRANNY. ARM UP, people. Tyranny has come, unbelieveably and for no reason, to Amerika. GHWB + GWB + BO = Scum forever. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 657892 United States 05/06/2009 08:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Does anyone know what the ACLU is doing about this? Hopefully they're involved, since this is a clear violation of civil liberties and has Supreme Court written all over it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 145040Your civil liberties don't matter. The Patriot Act overrides them. If you are considered a terrorist and arrested, it is now (due to the Patriot Act) legal to hold you indefinitely in jail without legal representation. There is much more to it, but that is the bare essentials I know about it. They passed it after 9-11 when the government had the masses convinced our freedom and lives were at risk. They had us begging them to protect us from the evil doers. George Bush signed it into law October 26, 2001. Don't you feel safer????? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 671973 United States 05/06/2009 09:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | USA Patriot Act stripped her son of his due process rights. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 671481[link to www.wral.com] Mom says Patriot Act stripped son of due process Oxford, N.C. — Sixteen-year-old Ashton Lundeby's bedroom in his mother's Granville County home is nothing, if not patriotic. Images of American flags are everywhere – on the bed, on the floor, on the wall. But according to the United States government, the tenth-grade home-schooler is being held on a criminal complaint that he made a bomb threat from his home on the night of Feb. 15. The family was at a church function that night, his mother, Annette Lundeby, said. "Undoubtedly, they were given false information, or they would not have had 12 agents in my house with a widow and two children and three cats," Lundeby said. Around 10 p.m. on March 5, Lundeby said, armed FBI agents along with three local law enforcement officers stormed her home looking for her son. They handcuffed him and presented her with a search warrant. "I was terrified," Lundeby's mother said. "There were guns, and I don't allow guns around my children. I don't believe in guns." Lundeby told the officers that someone had hacked into her son's IP address and was using it to make crank calls connected through the Internet, making it look like the calls had originated from her home when they did not. Her argument was ignored, she said. Agents seized a computer, a cell phone, gaming console, routers, bank statements and school records, according to federal search warrants. "There were no bomb-making materials, not even a blasting cap, not even a wire," Lundeby said. Ashton now sits in a juvenile facility in South Bend, Ind. His mother has had little access to him since his arrest. She has gone to her state representatives as well as attorneys, seeking assistance, but, she said, there is nothing she can do. Lundeby said the USA Patriot Act stripped her son of his due process rights. "We have no rights under the Patriot Act to even defend them, because the Patriot Act basically supersedes the Constitution," she said. "It wasn't intended to drag your barely 16-year-old, 120-pound son out in the middle of the night on a charge that we can't even defend." Passed after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the U.S., the Patriot Act allows federal agents to investigate suspected cases of terrorism swiftly to better protect the country. In part, it gives the federal government more latitude to search telephone records, e-mails and other records. "They're saying that 'We feel this individual is a terrorist or an enemy combatant against the United States, and we're going to suspend all of those due process rights because this person is an enemy of the United States," said Dan Boyce, a defense attorney and former U.S. attorney not connected to the Lundeby case. Critics of the statute say it threatens the most basic of liberties. "There's nothing a matter of public record," Boyce said "All those normal rights are just suspended in the air." In a bi-partisan effort, Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., and Rep. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., last month introduced in the U.S. House of Representatives a bill that would narrow subpoena power in a provision of the Patriot Act, called the National Security Letters, to curb what some consider to be abuse of power by federal law enforcement officers. Boyce said the Patriot Act was written with good intentions, but he said he believes it has gone too far in some cases. Lundeby's might be one of them, he said. "It very well could be a case of overreaction, where an agent leaped to certain conclusions or has made certain assumptions about this individual and about how serious the threat really is," Boyce said. Because a federal judge issued a gag order in the case, the U.S. attorney in Indiana cannot comment on the case, nor can the FBI. The North Carolina Highway Patrol did confirm that officers assisted with the FBI operation at the Lundeby home on March 5. "Never in my worst nightmare did I ever think that it would be my own government that I would have to protect my children from," Lundeby said. "This is the United States, and I feel like I live in a third world country now." Lundeby said she does not think this type of case is what the Patriot Act was intended for. Boyce agrees. "It was to protect the public, but what we need to do is to make sure there are checks and balances to make sure those new laws are not abused," he said. wait, did't they rule this kinda stuff was not leagl? because if this is true then any one could be grabbed and have no recorse. this is bigger then the flu. hell this could be used for anything. |