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GREATEST ASTRONOMER SCAMS

 
Prof_Rabbit

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I WOULD BE DELIGHTED IF YOU COULD OFFER THE SLIGHTEST PROOF THAT BLACK HOLES EXIST. THEY ARE PURELY A MATHEMATICAL CONSTRUCT TO COVER THE FACT THAT OBSERVATIONS DONT MATCH THEORY.

IN AN ELECTRICAL UNIVERSE ALL IS EXPLAINED WITHOUT ANY CONSTRUCTS.

GL
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GREY LENSMAN  (OP)

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RABBIT

THANK YOU FOR YOUR INSULTS. THEY ARE APPRECIATED AND MAY THEY RETURN TO YOU FULL OF FLAVOUR.

HELPS ONE TO KNOW WHEN ONE IS ON THE RIGHT PATH.

GL
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05/17/2009 06:02 PM
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none of the above.
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+1

none of above

stupid poll

assumes a position, does not offer alternatives

this person probably goes and on about the TPTB always ignoring other views, and what does he do?
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05/18/2009 12:33 AM
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ANOTHER FINE EXAMPLE OF LACK OF MENTAL REASONING. ARE YOU AN ASTRONOMER?

THE POLL IS ABOUT SCAMS, NOT OPINIONS OR CHOICES OF THEORY.

ITS PLAIN TO SEE THAT THE GLP EFFECT HIGHLIGHTS THE WEAKNESSES OF BIG BANG BUT PERHAPS MORE WORK IS NEEDED ON THE OTHER AREAS.

I WAS ALSO IMPRESSED WITH THE PERSONAL ATTACKS. MY RESEARCH, STUDY AND REASONING OVER YEARS WAS RIDICULED AS LIES. WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!. THESE ASTRONOMERS JUST CANNOT STRING TOGETHER A SINGLE THEORY AND HAVE TO RESORT TO AD HOMINEM ATTACKS .

LOOK IF GRAVITY ONLY IS SO GREAT, GAS CONDENSES, GETS SUPER DENSE, IGNITES FORMS A NUCLEAR STAR. THERE WOULD BE NO MYSTERIES. NO TANGLED THREADY ROPEY THING, NO MISSING OR CHANGING COLOUR NEUTRINOS, ALL WOULD BE EXPLAINED AND CLEAR. THE FACT THAT THE BASIC THEORY COULD BE WRONG, ELIDES THEM, THEY MUST SEEK EVER MORE STUPID PATCHES.

GL
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681392

ANOTHER FINE EXAMPLE..
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Stop shouting. It makes you look like a retarded FUCKWIT.

Oh wait, you are.

Tasted any good food addititititives lately?
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Idiots. All these things are very real. Do you at least have a backyard telescope or some background in astronomy? Untill you do, shut a fuck up, ok?
GREY LENSMAN  (OP)

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SADLY IT SEEMS THAT YOU HAVE NO PERCEPTION OF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TYPING AND SPEAKING. TWO DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS. I SUGGEST THAT YOU MULL THAT OVER AND CONSIDER THE IMPLICATIONS BEFORE YOU START CALLING PEOPLE NAMES.

ARE YOU AN ASTRONOMER. IT WOULD NOT SURPRISE ME.

GL
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SADLY IT SEEMS THAT YOU HAVE NO PERCEPTION OF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TYPING AND SPEAKING. TWO DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS. I SUGGEST THAT YOU MULL THAT OVER AND CONSIDER THE IMPLICATIONS BEFORE YOU START CALLING PEOPLE NAMES.

ARE YOU AN ASTRONOMER. IT WOULD NOT SURPRISE ME.

GL
 Quoting: GREY LENSMAN


Oh, so you ARE a COMPLETE FUCKWIT. One who doesn't know what CAPITALS are USED FOR.

An astronomer is someone who observes the skies and attempts to learn about them. Yes, that's me.

Only a COMPLETE FUCKWIT would imply that the term is in any way insulting.

Did one beat you as a child, retard?
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stars are holes in the bed sheet of god
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Got a challenge for you, GL.

Seeing that you can't create a poll to save your life, let's start up a logical debate about the concepts you've listed here, and we shall display to all and sundry how you have entered a battle of wits only half-armed. Actually less, it appears.

And let's see how many folk approve of how easy it is to read your capitalised crap.

I dare you. Show me up, with your brains and debating skills.

Let's see who wins.
GREY LENSMAN  (OP)

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MONKEY SEE, MONKEY DO

HOW ABOUT GETTING BACK ON TOPIC AR JUST GO AWAY IF YOU CANT COMPREHEND THAT. IT IS YOUR FREEDOM YOU KNOW.

GL
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05/18/2009 04:23 AM
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The poll was missing this question. "THIS POLL IS BS."
GREY LENSMAN  (OP)

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PLENTY OF POSTS AND THREADS HERE ON GLP FOR YOU TO READ. IF YOU DONT HAVE THE WIT TO DO THAT OR TO DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH, DONT EXPECT ME TO DO IT FOR YOU. AS I UNDERSTAND IT YOU DONT KNOW SIMPLE BASICS SUCH AS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN VIEWS AND BELIEFS AND LIES.

TYPICAL OF ASTRONOMERS. LOVE DESCRIBING THINGS LIKE WATER SPOUTS AND MAGNETIC FIELDS BUT WILL NOT DISCUSS ORIGINS. ONLY MAGIC OR GRAVITY EXISTS IN THEIR ONE TRACK MINDS.

GL

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This person is a mod?
hiding
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PLENTY OF POSTS AND THREADS HERE ON GLP FOR YOU TO READ. IF YOU DONT HAVE THE WIT TO DO THAT OR TO DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH, DONT EXPECT ME TO DO IT FOR YOU. AS I UNDERSTAND IT YOU DONT KNOW SIMPLE BASICS SUCH AS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN VIEWS AND BELIEFS AND LIES.

TYPICAL OF ASTRONOMERS. LOVE DESCRIBING THINGS LIKE WATER SPOUTS AND MAGNETIC FIELDS BUT WILL NOT DISCUSS ORIGINS. ONLY MAGIC OR GRAVITY EXISTS IN THEIR ONE TRACK MINDS.

GL
 Quoting: GREY LENSMAN


Physics and cosmology took a turn down a blind alley about a century ago, and have still not found their way out.

Most of the problems are down to the Zionist fraud, Einstein.
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So, I'll start with the Big Bang.

But before I explain what it is (namely a 'suggested cosmological model'), let's just clarify the subject line.

GL says it is one of the greatest 'astronomer scams'. A scam is by definition an attempt to defraud or swindle. It is different from a hoax, or a decpetion, in that the intent is to defraud, swindle, or otherwise benefit from a deception.

So keep that in mind. GL will no doubt elaborate on how a 'suggested model' would in some way defraud or swindle someone.

Back shortly with the Dummies guide to the Big Bang...
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SO MUCH TO DO , SO LITTLE TIME TO DO IT IN BUT ITS SUNDAY.
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So you waste your time on GLP posting stupid shit.


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GREY LENSMAN  (OP)

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AS PROMISED SOME LINK FOR YOU TO READ

Thread: Is the Universe Electric?

Thread: Electric Universe theory. PDF document along with high-resolution slides.

Thread: Our ELECTRIC SUN!! Video

Thread: The Electric Universe


REGARDING SCAM, THE CHOICE OF WORD IS CORRECT, BILLIONS SCAMMED AND WASTED TO FEED EGOS AND WALLETS FROM BUNKUM. NOT ONLY THAT IT DETRACTS FROM EVEN MORE IMPORTANT STUFF SUCH AS THE NATURE OF ENERGY, ELECTRICITY, ETC.

ITS A DELIBERATE BLIND ALLEY.

GL

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GREY LENSMAN  (OP)

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EVEN WORSE, YOU WASTE YOUR TIME RESPONDING TO "STUPID SHIT"

GL
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The Dummies Guide to the Big Bang.

The 'Big Bang Theory' is a suggested model that attempts to explain both the initial condition, and the subsequent development of the cosmos or universe.

The term was first used by Fred Hoyle, a famous scientist and writer, during a radio broadcast in 1949. He actually used the term in a derogatory fashion, as he didn't agree with the theory.

The Big Bang Theory essentially suggests that the cosmos expanded from a 'primordial' highly dense and amorphous initial state. It is just one of a number of theories that attempts to match observed conditions, background radiation, motion and distances of distant galaxies, etc, and basically explain how it all came to be.

Very few people are aware that the theory was mostly developed by a Catholic Priest - Georges Lemaître, basing it on much of the work by Einstein.

There are a number of factors measurable today that back up the Big Bang Theory, eg background radiation, expanding ditances, etc. But not all measurements align precisely wityh the BB theory, and many scientist dispute it.

However it is a theory only, and like any other theory of this type, is unlikely to be proven one way or the other, unless time travel is invented!


Now, a 'scam'????

And given that this is one of many complex theories regarding the origins of the Cosmos, it's hard to imagine why it would exist, if according to GL, astronomers DON'T "ponder on the meaning and nature of the universe".

How ironic that it is the first on his list, after saying that...
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Big bang

There was no explosion at the beginning of the universe... it has been exploding forever.
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YOU REALLY ARE BEING DISINGENUOUS AND YOU KNOW IT.

BIG BANG IS FUNDAMENTAL TO ALMOST ALL ASTRONOMY THEORY AND IS VIRTUALLY MENTIONED IN EVERY SECOND BREATH TO VALIDATE THEIR EVER INCREASING CLAIMS.

GL
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It's just one of many theories. Which one do you like, OOTW?

To be honest it ain't my fave either, but I admit that I am not up with your average cosmological theorist in my knowledge..

Just enough to get by...
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YOU REALLY ARE BEING DISINGENUOUS AND YOU KNOW IT.

BIG BANG IS FUNDAMENTAL TO ALMOST ALL ASTRONOMY THEORY AND IS VIRTUALLY MENTIONED IN EVERY SECOND BREATH TO VALIDATE THEIR EVER INCREASING CLAIMS.

GL
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I can't help it if everyone is wrong.
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Next up, Black Holes.

By the way, note GL has 'argued' with the theory, but has OFFERED ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in the way of specifics about what he disagrees with.

And yes, the BB Theory does in fact match an awful lot of the observed data... So it is useful.
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Ok, I'll lay it out for ya'all.

The universe is constantly expanding. The origin of the supposed big bang can not be located because everything is moving away from everything else at an ever accelerating speed.

If you look for the big bang in ancient light traveling from the "beginning" of the universe... what you are actually looking at is the universe when it was alot SMALLER! There comes a point where our understanding and limitation in technology cannot see any further. It appears to us as a singularity which is what our universe now would appear like from the same distance in the future looking back.

Last Edited by Opener of the Way on 05/18/2009 05:07 AM
"Humanity's suffering is pushing it to it's birth."
[link to www.youtube.com]

"All knowledge is vain except where there be work, and all work is empty except where there be love."

-Eugnostos


Perfection is an illusion and we shall always walk in it's shadow.
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

The Flower of Life blooms through time.
[link to www.youtube.com]
GREY LENSMAN  (OP)

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THANK YOU FOR THE CLASSIC ASTRONOMER THINK. IT IS HIGHLY ILLUSTRATIVE FOR READERS. DIS BIG BANG AS ONLY ONE THEORY WHEN YOU KNOW FULL WELL IT IS THE ONLY ACCEPTED ONE AND THE BASIS FOR ALL THE CRAP THAT FOLLOWS.

THEN CLAIM THAT I OFFER NO COUNTER ARGUMENTS. FIRSTLY THERE IS NOTHING TO ARGUE, ITS MY BELIEF BASED ON MY RESEARCH AND MY LIFE. IF YOU CANT ACCEPT THAT, WELL THATS YOUR PROBLEM. BUT, I ALSO BACK IT UP WITH THE STATEMENT THAT A LOT OF OTHERS THINK LIKE ME AND PROVIDE A WHOLE LOAD OF LINKS TO ILLUSTRATE THE POINT.

BUT YOU CANT STAND THAT, CANT STAND THE DETAIL, THE CASE BY CASE SHOOT DOWN OF ALMOST EACH AND EVERY ASTRONOMICAL THEORY.

GL
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Did you know that caps reduce read speed by 10%?
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Ok, I'll lay it out for ya'all.

The universe is constantly expanding. The origin of the supposed big bang can not be located because everything is moving away from everything else at an ever accelerating speed.

If you look for the big bang in ancient light traveling from the "beginning" of the universe... what you are actually looking at is the universe when it was alot SMALLER! There comes a point where our understanding and limitation in technology cannot see any further. It appears to us as a singularity which is what our universe now would appear like from the same distance in the future looking back.
 Quoting: Opener of the Way


But that's the whole point (pun intended) of the BB Theory - one that is often misinterpreted. It is not that everything started at a 'point'. 'Everything' exploded simultaneously everywhere. There was no 'point' - as space, by definition, didn't exist. Space, time, everything came from the 'event'.

Looking for a start location is like looking for the 'end' of the universe. There can't be one, by definition.

If you try to make sense of this stuff in 3D, you are doomed, I say!


And it is just a theory, same as the constant expansion one... Pick the one you like, or any other.





GLP