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It is believed by some that six times the Earth has gone into a period of darkness -- a dark age-- only to rise again to great technological heights.

Two key facts are clear:

(1) Somebody mapped the Earth before the Ice Age. We have no way of knowing who they were or how they did it.

(2) There have always been strange objects in the skies above this planet. They were seen by early man and have been seen constantly ever since, as the bible and other available records still firmly attest. (Our Haunted Planet by John Keel pg; 17; 1971 Fawcett Publications, Inc)

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"As already described, the Aymara culture on the Altiplano of Peru and Bolivia may have retained prediluvial knowledge, and their last lineage fell during historical times. After the Spanish Conquistadors finished with them, they sent in the Jesuits with their training manual, The Extirpation of Idolatry. Upon entering a village, the Jesuits got the lineage waka and destroyed it, and they destroyed or defaced the pacarina. (The waka is the holder of the ancestral knowledge, and the pacarina is their place of emergence.) (The Secret Of The Incas: Myth, Astronomy, and the War against Time, by William Sullivan. pg 23-24 )(New York: Crown Publishers, 1996)

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Modern scientist have a very scientific method for coping with such humiliating discoveries. They put them in the basement of their museums and forget about them. The museums are filled with such erratic's, as they are called.... Such erratic's are bones of prehistoric animals with bullets in them. Giant chains have been found imbedded in great rocks in both North and South America. Not merely imbedded but actually passing through the rocks. They seem to predate the arrival of the Europeans by thousands of years. (Our Haunted Planet by John Keel pgs; 14-15; 1971 Fawcett Publications, Inc.)

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There has been unusual artifacts discovered around the world which prove that the 'ancients' were far more knowledgeable in the areas of Astronomy, Mathematics, Architecture, Medicine, etc., then we give them credit for... Egypt, Mayapan, India, Greece, China, Assyria and other ancient cultures [for example] which developed elite scientific fraternities which searched the known world for the most brilliant minds -- initiates who would combine their resources and develop their sciences in seclusion from the rest of the warring masses, who remained barbaric and un-enlightened as opposed to the secret technocratic societies who had robbed them of the knowledge they would otherwise have had access to.

These numerous secret societies argued that the general masses were 'undeserving' of such knowledge, since they would only use it for purposes of warfare and violence rather than for the mutual benefit of man. Some mysterious rumors have it that several of these ancient societies eventually disappeared underground, and later left the planet altogether.

Terziski refers to tons of artifacts that have been suppressed by the Illuminati and Smithsonian Institute because they either were not meant for 'common man' to know about, or flew in the face of the scientific dogmatism of the time -- scientists who did not wish to acknowledge publicly that there may have been scientists in the ancient past whose knowledge far surpassed in some respects than their own. (THE UNDERGROUND NAZI INVASION OF THE UNITED STATES Pt 22)

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To those who investigate allegations of archaeological cover-ups, there are disturbing indications that the most important archaeological institute in the United States, the Smithsonian Institute, an independent federal agency, has been actively suppressing some of the most interesting and important archaeological discoveries made in the Americas.

The Vatican has been long accused of keeping artifacts and ancient books in their vast cellars, without allowing the outside world access to them. These secret treasures, often of a controversial historical or religious nature, are allegedly suppressed by the Catholic Church because they might damage the church's credibility, or perhaps cast their official texts in doubt. Sadly, there is overwhelming evidence that something very similar is happening with the Smithsonian Institution. (Archeological Cover-Ups, by David Hatcher Childress)

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Children of the Fifth Sun

Like the many different peoples and cultures that had preceded then in Mexico, the Aztecs believed that the universe operated in great cycles. The priests stated as a matter of simple fact that there had been four such cycles, or 'Suns', since the creation of the human race. At the time of the conquest, it was the Fifth Sun, that prevailed. And it is within that Fifth Sun, or epoch, that humankind still lives today. This account is taken from a rare collection of Aztec documents known as the Vaticano-Latin

Codex:

First Sun, Matlactli Atl: duration 4008 years. Those who lived then ate water maize called atzitzintl. in this age lived the giants...The First Sun was destroyed by water in the sign Matlactli Atl (Ten Water). It was called Apachiohualiztli (flood, deluge), the art of sorcery of the permanent rain. Men were turned into fish. Some say that only one couple escaped, protected by an old tree living near the water. Others say that there were seven couples who hid in a cave until the flood was over and the waters had gone down. They repopulated the Earth and were worshipped as gods in their nations.

Second Sun, Ehecoatl: duration 4010 years. Those who lived then ate wild fruit known as acotzintli. This sun was destroyed by Ehecoatl (Wind Serpent) and men were turned into monkeys....One man and woman, standing on a rock, were saved from destruction....

Third Sun, Tleyquiyahuillo: duration 4081 years. men, the descendants of the couple who were saved from the Second Sun, ate a fruit called tzincoac. This third sun was destroyed by fire...

Fourth Sun, Tzontlilic: duration 5026 years....Men died of starvation after a deluge of blood and fire....
We are currently in the Fifth Sun. The symbol of the Fifth Sun, our current epoch, is the face of Tonatiuh, the sun god himself. His tongue, fittingly depicted as an obsidian knife, juts out hungrily, signaling his need for the nourishment of human blood and hearts. His features are wrinkled to indicate his advanced age and he appears within the symbol Ollin which signifies movement. Why is the Fifth Sun known as "The Sun of Movement?" Because, 'the elders say: in it there will be a movement of the Earth and from this we shall all perish. (Finger-Prints of the Gods by Graham Hancock, pgs. 98-99, ISBN # 0-517-88729-0)
End of the Fifth Sun (According to the Aztecs) is December, 23, 2012 A.D.

If the Fifth Sun is to last an approximate 5000 to 5100 years then it would be safe to say that the Aztecs had a recorded human history as far back as:

4008
4010
4081
5026
5100 (Current)
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22,225 years ago

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Buddhism - Hinduism

The teachings of Tibetan Buddhism and Indian Hinduism-not to mention several other world traditions-support the anomalous archaeological findings in suggesting that humanity has a far longer provenance on our planet than western science allows. This idea is preserved in Hinduism to the present day, especially in the doctrine of the yugas. The term yuga means "age" and refers to the Hindu belief that humanity has lived on our planet during four separate and distinct time periods: the Krita Yuga, the Treta Yoga, the Dvapara Yuga and the Kali Yuga, the first three of which have already been and gone. The names of the ages are rooted in the Sanskrit terms for four of the sides of a die, with the Krita Yoga derived from the side showing the figure 4, Treta Yoga 3, Dvapara Yuga 2, and Kali Yuga 1. This reflects the Hindu conviction that the degree of righteousness in the world diminished in an arithmetical progression as time went on. 

Krita Yuga: is seen as a primeval golden age, characterized by piety, peace and plenty. The world had one God, one truth, one scripture and one rule. Fear was unknown, as was hatred, deceit or malice. This age lasted 1,728,000 years.

Treta Yoga: which was only three-quarters as righteous as the age before. Unity of religion still held sway, but now humanity no longer followed spiritual pursuits for their own sakes, but rather in the hope of reward. The Treta Yuga spanned a further 1,296,000 years.

Dvapara Yuga:, in which righteousness again diminished by a quarter. Now the single truth and single scripture fragmented into four. Humanity moved further and further from the ways of good and as a consequence found itself beset by disease and disaster. This age lasted 864,000 years.

Kali Yuga: the age in which we are living now. Once again righteousness was reduced so that in our present time we are only one quarter as spiritual as our most distant ancestors. Most of humanity no longer makes sacrifice to the One God. Hunger and fear have become commonplace, as have natural and man-made disasters. This age is destined to last 432,000 years. (The Secret History Of Ancient Egypt, Herbie Brennan. pgs 201-202)

1,728,000
1,296,000
0,864,000
0,432,000


= 4,320,000 = 4 million, 320 thousand years..

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Travelers returning to the eastern Mediterranean from Spain 2600 years ago told of a rich and powerful city, Tartessos, a great seaport on the southwestern coast of Spain, whose written records, as reported by the Greek historian Strabo, went back 7000 years before their time, long before the conventionally accepted invention of writing. The Egyptian year count reached far beyond the First Dynasty, back to the time of the kings who ruled before the flood, and the Hindu year count goes so far into the past that a number of other cultures do not even have numbers sufficiently large to express the concept. (Atlantis: The Eighth Continent, by Charles Berlitz; pg.15; ISBN # 0-449-20742-0)

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Earth Without A Moon

The period when the Earth was Moonless is probably the most remote recollection of mankind. Democritus and Anaxagoras taught that there was a time when the Earth was without the Moon. Aristotle wrote that Arcadia in Greece, before being inhabited by the Hellenes, had a population of Pelasgians, and that these aborigines occupied the land already before there was a moon in the sky above the Earth; for this reason they were called Proselenes.

Apollonius of Rhodes mentioned the time “when not all the orbs were yet in the heavens, before the Danai and Deukalion races came into existence, and only the Arcadians lived, of whom it is said that they dwelt on mountains and fed on acorns, before there was a moon."

Plutarch wrote in The Roman Questions: “There were Arcadians of Evander’s following, the so-called pre-Lunar people." Similarly wrote Ovid: “The Arcadians are said to have possessed their land before the birth of Jove, and the folk is older than the Moon." Hippolytus refers to a legend that “Arcadia brought forth Pelasgus, of greater antiquity than the moon." Lucian in his Astrology says that “the Arcadians affirm in their folly that they are older than the moon." Censorinus also alludes to the time in the past when there was no moon in the sky.

The Time The Earth Had No Moon
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Oldest known artifact!!

Grooved Spheres from South Africa

The oldest artifacts go back about 2 billion years. These are round metallic objects (below) that have been found over the past couple of decades by miners in South Africa. The objects come from a mine near a place called Ottosdalin, in the West Transvaal region. The objects are one or two inches in diameter. The ones we had analyzed by metallurgists turned out to be made of an iron ore called hematite. The most interesting feature of the objects is the parallel grooves that go around the center of each one. Some have four grooves, some three, some two, some only one. The metallurgists who examined them said they were not produced naturally. Therefore, the objects must have been manufactured by someone with humanlike intelligence. Yet they are found solidly embedded in mineral deposits over 2 billion years old.


3 Billion Year Old Manufactured Spheroids?
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Human Devolution Joan d'Arc Interviews Michael Cremo
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Nuclear Reactors Nearly Two Billion Years Old!!

The remnants of nuclear reactors nearly two billion years old were found in the 1970s in Africa. These reactors are thought to have occurred naturally. No natural reactors exist today, since the relative density of fissile uranium has now decayed below that needed for a sustainable reaction. Pictured above is Fossil Reactor 15, located in Oklo, Gabon.
 
Uranium oxide remains are visible as the yellowish rock. Oklo by-products are being used today to study the stability of the fundamental constants over cosmological time-scales and to develop more effective means for disposing of human-manufactured nuclear waste.
 
In 1972, a French company imported some uranium ore from Oklo in the Gabon Republic in Africa. Surprisingly the uranium concentration in the ore was as low as spent uranium fuel from a nuclear reactor.
 
The finding led scientists to believe that the uranium had already been used for energy production. This discovery shocked the world and attracted scientists from many countries to go to Oklo for further investigation.
 
The results showed that the uranium mine was an ancient nuclear reactor. The ancient reactor consisted of five hundred tons of utilized uranium ore in six different areas. Its output power was estimated to be approximately one hundred kilowatts.
 
The reactor was perfectly preserved and its layout was very rational. It is estimated that the reactor had been in operation for around 500,000 years. Furthermore, nuclear wastes produced in this reactor had not spread all over the surrounding areas. Instead, they were confined within the separate sections. From the perspective of modern nuclear technology, this ancient reactor used very advanced techniques.

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Proof? My you use that word quite loosely.


There is not a cut and paste in the world......

a method of science....

a culture, no matter the origins....

a human being alive now or that has ever lived..........

that can date the planet.


All people can do is guess.

And that's all it is.....a guess. speedbanan
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Proof? My you use that word quite loosely.


There is not a cut and paste in the world......

a method of science....

a culture, no matter the origins....

a human being alive now or that has ever lived..........

that can date the planet.


All people can do is guess.

And that's all it is.....a guess. speedbanan
 Quoting: panthera~onca


You're absolutely right, and the guess of it being only 6000 years old is completely ludicrous!

The 3 billion year old guess is more than likely off by several billion years, it's more than likely far far older!


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What a bunch of BS. Don't ever post again or I will come through ur monitor and slap the piss out of u.
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Proof? My you use that word quite loosely.


There is not a cut and paste in the world......

a method of science....

a culture, no matter the origins....

a human being alive now or that has ever lived..........

that can date the planet.


All people can do is guess.

And that's all it is.....a guess. speedbanan


You're absolutely right, and the guess of it being only 6000 years old is completely ludicrous!

The 3 billion year old guess is more than likely off by several billion years, it's more than likely far far older!


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 Quoting: HardTruth


I've no idea about the age of the earth.

Could be thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions, etc.

And you know what? To not know for sure does not bother me in the least.


Guess what?

You will also never know in your life on earth how old it is.

Therefore, why not just let it sink in that there are things you will never know?

To ponder upon and give thought to the unknowable is one thing……..

But, to be consumed by explaining ALL the mysteries of the unknowable is a road to nowhere…….

…….and that obsession can drive a person to accept some really kooky "answers."


To illustrate that concept we need only one simile: :tredmil:
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Atomic ruins 8 millennia ago
June 13, 2000 08:15 CDT


From 1992 comes another fascinating, mysterious discovery: that of an ancient city in India that appears to have been leveled by an atomic blast 8,000 - 10,000 years ago.

Reported in January 1992 by the UK's World Island Review, a construction team discovered the site in Rajasthan, India while preparing to build at housing development.

The heavy layer of radioactive ash found in a three-mile-square area concealed "an ancient city where evidence shows an atomic blast dating back thousands of years, from 8,000 to 12,000 years, destroyed most of the buildings and probably a half-million people. One researcher estimates that the nuclear bomb used was about the size of the ones dropped on Japan in 1945," said the newspaper.

After its discovery, the ancient city became suspect as the cause of a high rate of birth defects and cancer in the region. "The levels of radiation there (the city site) have registered so high on investigators' gauges that the Indian government has now cordoned off the region," said the newspaper.

Interestingly, the Indian Mahabharata appears to have recorded the historic blast event. "A single projectile charged with all the power in the Universe...An incandescent column of smoke and flame as bright as 10,000 suns, rose in all its splendor...it was an unknown weapon, an iron thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death which reduced to ashes an entire race," says the sacred text.

Archeologist Francis Taylor told the paper that etchings in some nearby temples he has managed to translate suggest that they prayed to be spared from the great light that was coming to lay ruin to the city. "It's so mind boggling to imagine that some civilization had nuclear technology before we did. The radioactive ash adds credibility to the ancient Indian records that describe atomic warfare."

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almost 7000 years in light years
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What a bunch of BS. Don't ever post again or I will come through ur monitor and slap the piss out of u.
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teeeehee


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My son's Science book says Earth is 4.6 billion yrs, if that's accurate.
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Do you think that the Sun gave 'birth to the Earth and other planets ?
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Evidence is not the problem with scientific theories regarding the unknowable.

It is the interpretation of that evidence wherein lies the problem.

There is a plethora of theories for each piece of evidence.

Hence, it is impossible to know the unknowable and the confusion is propagated by man's ravenous and feudal pursuit of knowing the unknowable and belief Schizophrenia is the result. sigh
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as long as the earth is not 6000 years old im ok with it...

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modern man is so arrogant.

civilizations have come and gone a gazillion times. some smarter and more advanced than us, some not.

eventually we too will be wiped out and new folk will come and do it all over again.
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Fascinating HT, Thanks. hf
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Do you think that the Sun gave 'birth to the Earth and other planets ?
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As far as the Earth being produced from the sun, I cant say!

It is believed that Earth was closer to Saturn, or perhaps even a moon of Saturn at one time!

The Rings of Saturn
by Immanuel Velikovsky
 
One instance of the Saturn myth can be verified with the help of a small telescope: Saturn is in chains. Instead of solving anything, this fact presents a new problem that demands a solution. How did the ancient Greeks and Romans know that Saturn is encircled by rings? (1) It is strange that this question was not asked before. (2) The existence of these rings around Saturn became known in modern times only in the seventeenth century, after the telescope was invented. They were first seen, but misunderstood, by Galileo (3) and understood by Huygens. (4)

If the myth did not by mere chance invent these rings, the Greeks must have seen them. The last case could be true if the Greeks or some other oriental people possessed lenses adapted for the observation of celestial bodies, or if the rings around Saturn were visible to the naked eye at some time in the past—today they are not visible without magnifying instruments. There are cases of exact observations by the Chaldeans which suggest the use of some accurate technical means. (5)

These means could consist of a sort of astrolabe like that of Tyche de Brahe who made most accurate observations of celestial bodies without the help of a telescope; also Copernicus, prior to Tyche de Brahe, made all his calculations of the movements of the planets before the telescope was invented. But neither Tycho de Brahe nor Copernicus saw the rings.

The statue of Saturn on the Roman capitol had bands around its feet, (6) and Macrobius in the fifth century of our era, already ignorant of the meaning of these bands, asked: “But why is the god Saturn in chains?”
In the Egyptian legend Isis (Jupiter) swathes Osiris (Saturn). The Egyptian apellative for Osiris was “the swathed." (7)

In the Zend-Avesta it is said that the star Tistrya (Jupiter, later Venus) keeps Pairiko in twofold bonds. (8) Saturn is encircled by two groups of rings—one larger and one smaller, with a space in between. To see this a better telescope than that used by Galileo or that used by Huygens is needed; the twofold structure of the girdle was first observed in 1675. (9)

The rings of Saturn were known also to the aborigines of America before Columbus discovered the land; this means also before the telescope was invented at the beginning of the seventeenth century. An ancient engraved wooden panel from Mexico shows the family of the planets: one of them is Saturn, easily recognizable by its rings. (10)
Nor were the Maoris of New Zealand ignorant of them: “One of the great mysteries connected with Saturn is the still unanswered question of how the ancient Maoris of New Zealand knew about her rings—for there is evidence that they did have a Saturnian ring legend long before the days of Galileo." (11)

In the myth it is said that Jupiter drove Saturn away and that on this occasion Saturn was put in chains. If these words mean what they say and are not a meaningless portion of the myth—in a dream, at least, there are no meaningless parts—then the knowledge of the ancients about the rings of Saturn could have been acquired because of better visibility: in other words, at some time in the past Saturn and Earth appear to have been closer to one another.

Originally I assumed that the rings of Saturn may consist of water in the form of ice, but since the ancient lore all around the world tells that it was Jupiter that put these rings around Saturn, (12) I considered that they might have some other components, too. Since the 1960’s spectroscopic study of the Saturnian rings has confirmed that they consist most probably of water in the form of ice. (13)
References
 
[The rings of Saturn are referred to by Aeschylus, Eumenides 641: “He [Zeus] himself cast into bonds his aged father Cronus” ; cf. Lucian, Astrology, 21: “Moreover, it is not true, neither, that Saturn is in chains.”

Neoplatonists like Proclus In Timaeo, tr. by Festugiere, vol. III, p. 255 and n. 4; In Cratylo 209.3f) and Porphyry (De Antro Nympharum 67.21ff.) sought a philosophical or mystical meaning in the tradition. Cf. also Clemens Alexandrinus, Homilia, VI. xiii in Patrologiae Cursus Completus, Series Graeca, J.-P. Migne ed., vol. II.207f; Dio Chrysostom, Fourteenth Discourse 21ff: “And yet the King of the Gods, the first and eldest one, is in bonds, they say, if we are to believe Hesiod and Homer and the other wise men who tell this tale about Cronus.” Cf.

Hesiod, Works and Days, 169ff. Augustine, refuting those who asserted that the Jewish Sabbath was held in honor of Saturn, wrote: “ita patres nostri longe fuerunt a Saturniacis catenis, quamvis pro tempore propheatiae sabbati vacationem observaverint.” (Contra Faustum Manichaeum XX. 13. in Migne ed., Patrologiae Cursus Completus, Series Latina, Vol. XLII, p. 379).

Cf. also Arnobius, Contra Gentes IV. 24 in ibid., vol. III: “Numquid paricidii causa vinctum esse Saturnum, et suis diebus tantum vinculorum ponderibus revelari?” and Minucius Felix, Octavius XXI, in ibid., vol. III, col. 304: “Quid formae ipsae et habitus? . . . Saturnus compeditis.” An epigram of Martial (III. 29) refers to the bonds of Saturn, comparing them to rings: “Has cum gemina compede dedicat catenas, Saturne, tibi Zoilus anulos priores.” “These chains with their double fetter Zoilus dedicates to you, Saturnus.

They were formerly his rings."—transl. by W. Kerr (London, 1919). The shrines to Saturn in Roman Africa portrayed the god with his head surrounded “by a veil that falls on each of his shoulders,” in a way reminiscent of the planet’s rings. See J. Toutain, De Saturni Dei in Africa Romana Cultu (Paris, 1894), p. 42 and figs. 1 and 2.].
 
[But cf. Th. Taylor in The Classical Journal 40 (1819), pp. 324-326, and A. de Grazia, “Ancient Knowledge of Jupiter’s Bands and Saturn’s Rings,” KRONOS II.3 (1977), pp. 65ff.]
 
[When Galileo first saw the rings in July of 1610, he thought them to be two satellites on either side of Saturn, and this is what he also announced in his Sidereus Nuntius. Cf. A. Alexander, The Planet Saturn, (1962), pp. 84ff.]
 
[Chr. Huygens, Systema Saturnium (1659); Cf. Alexander, The Planet Saturn, loc. cit.]
 
P. Jensen, Die Kosmologie der Babylonier, p.
 
Macrobius, The Saturnalia, I.8.5, transl. by P. V. Davies (New York, 1969): “ Saturn, too, is represented with his feet bound together, and, although Verrius Flaccus says that he does not know the reason . . . Apollodorus says that throughout the year Saturn is bound with a bond of wool but is set free on the day of his festival.” Cf. ibid., I.8.1.
 
See below, section “Tammuz and Osiris” . Cf. A. S. Yahuda, “The Osiris Cult and the Designation of Osiris Idols in the Bible,” Journal of Near Eastern Studies III (1944), pp. 194-197.
 
The Zend-Avesta xvi, transl. by J. Darmesteter (1883), p. 107. [The text of the Zend-Avesta reads: “Tistrya, bright star, keeps Pairiko in twofold bonds, in threefold bonds.” A third ring around Saturn was observed in 1980. Velikovsky also thought that Mithraic representations of Kronos with his body encircled by a snake (cf. F. Cumont, The Mysteries of Mithra [1903], figs 21-23) may attest to a memory of the rings of Saturn. Cf. the Hindu Sani (the planet Saturn) shown in an ancient woodcut reproduced in F. Maurice, Indian Antiquities (London, 1800), vol. VII, and described by the author as “encircled with a ring formed of serpents.” Tammuz, who represented the planet Saturn in Babylonia (E. Weidner, Handbuch der Babylonisches Astronomie [Leipzig, 1915], p. 61) was called “he who is bound.” See also Thorkild Jacobsen, Toward the Image of Tammuz (Harvard University Press, 1970), p. 85. and A. E. Thierens, Astrology in Mesopotamian Culture (Leiden, 1935). Ninib, who was also Saturn, was said to hold “the unbreakable bond” or “der maechtigen Schlange"—Jastrow, Die Religion Babyloniens und Assyriens, ch. xvii, p. 463.].
 
The observation was made by G. D. Cassini.
 
Kingsborough, Antiquities of Mexico (London, 1830), vol. IV, the fourth plate from the end of the volume. See fig.
 
Guy Murchie, Music of the Spheres (Boston, 1961), p. 94. [A useful discussion of Maori astronomical ideas is provided in a monograph by E. Best, The Astronomical Knowledge of the Maori, Genuine and Empirical, New Zealand Dominium Museum Monograph no. 3 (Wellington, 1922), p. 35:
PAREARAU represents one of the planets. Stowell says that it is Saturn; that Parearau is a descriptive name for that planet, and describes its appearance, surrounded by a ring. The word pare denotes a fillet or headband; arau means “entangled"—or perhaps “surrounded” in this case, if the natives really can see the pare of Saturn with the naked eye. If so, then the name seems a suitable one. . . . Of the origin of this name one says, ‘Her band quite surrounds her, hence she is called Parearau.’” ].
[Regarding the process of formation of Saturn’s rings, Velikovsky thought that it might have been analogous to the formation of a disc-like ring of gaseous material around some stars in binary systems, as described by H. Friedman in Science 181, (Aug. 3, 1973), p. 396: “The gas enters into Keplerian orbits and accumulates in a disc somewhat resembling Saturn’s rings. . . .” ].
 
In August 1965 Tobias Owen, writing in Science, (p. 975) reported that “the reflection spectrum from the ice block gave best match to the absorption observed in Saturn’s ring"—but that “the most likely alternatives” would be “ices of methane and ammonia"—both known ingredients of the Jovian atmosphere, methane being also in the composition of the Saturnian cloud envelope. See also Appendix 26. [As early as 1947 Kuiper (The Atmospheres of the Earth and Planets [1949]), concluded on the basis of spectral measurements in the infrared that “the rings are covered by frost, if not composed of ice.” Cf. A. Cook et al., “Saturn’s Rings—A Survey,” Icarus 18 (1973), p. 317: “Although frozen H2O is a major constituent, the spectral reflectivity indicates the presence of other materials.”].
 

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Therefore I will now make a prediction......

.....that will most assuredly come to pass

This thread and the forthcoming responses will demonstrate my theory of the knowable.....

"belief Schizophrenia"

watch and see.......

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as long as the earth is not 6000 years old im ok with it...

LOL
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What a bunch of BS. Don't ever post again or I will come through ur monitor and slap the piss out of u.



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that would be a great trick , make it easier to feed the dogs areound here )
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Young earth! bash

Old earth! bash

I agree with you! You are cool! luv

Young earth! bash

Old earth! bash

YHVH is not God! secrets

Young earth! bash

Old earth! bash



That about sums it up. blahblah
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Young earth! bash

Old earth! bash

I agree with you! You are cool! luv

Young earth! bash

Old earth! bash

YHVH is not God! secrets

Young earth! bash

Old earth! bash



That about sums it up. blahblah
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That only sums up the mindset of religious ego-centric intolerant humans.

Believe in your 6000-year old theory, read your bible, and worship your church... but you're outnumbered buddy.

Logic > myth
Earth > 'god'
Nature > mankind

Hence how organized churches were even established. Through conflict, violence, and lies.

Enjoy your bible. I'll be sure to use it to wipe my ass when I'm camping and don't have toilet paper. Or when I need to roll a quick joint. Comes in handy!
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Great info and wise pin by the way.

Bit of info:

Fossils are important for estimating when various lineages developed. As fossilization is an uncommon occurrence, usually requiring hard body parts and death near a site where sediments are being deposited, the fossil record only provides sparse and intermittent information about the evolution of life. Evidence of organisms prior to the development of hard body parts such as shells, bones and teeth is especially scarce, but exists in the form of ancient microfossils, as well as impressions of various soft-bodied organisms. Evolution with common descent also provides the best explanation for a variety of facts concering the geographical distribution of plants and animals (biogeography), especially island biogeography.

Comparison of the genetic sequence of organisms has revealed that organisms that are phylogenetically close have a higher degree of sequence similarity than organisms that are phylogenetically distant. Further evidence for common descent comes from genetic detritus such as pseudogenes, regions of DNA that are orthologous to a gene in a related organism, but are no longer active and appear to be undergoing a steady process of degeneration. Since metabolic processes do not leave fossils, research into the evolution of the basic cellular processes is done largely by comparison of existing organisms. Many lineages diverged at different stages of development, so it is possible to determine when certain metabolic processes appeared by comparing the traits of the descendants of a common ancestor.
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Thanx! nice read! plausiblerose
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The Pre-Adamite Age

The talmudic-rabbinical tradition believes that before Adam was created, the world was more than once inhabited and more than once destroyed. It was at the end of the first age, symbolized by the expulsion of man from the blessed Garden of Eden, that the moon lost its brightness. It was not just a single human pair—the tradition ascribes to Adam the invention of seventy languages.

Hebrew mythology assigns to the period preceding Adam’s expulsion different geophysical and biological conditions. The sun shone permanently on the Earth, and the Garden of Eden, placed in the East, was, it must be conceived, under perpetual rays of the Dawn. The earth was not watered by rain, but mist ascending from the ground condensed as dew upon the leaves. “The plants looked only to the earth for nourishment.” Man was of exceedingly great stature: “The dimensions of man’s body were gigantic.” His appearance was unlike that of later men: “His body was overlaid with a horny skin.” But a day came and the celestial illumination ceased: “The sun . . . had grown dark the instant Adam became guilty of disobedience." The flames of the ever-turning sword terrified Adam (Genesis 3:24).

In another legend it is told that the celestial light shone a little in the darkness. And then “the celestial light ceased, to the consternation of Adam.” The illumination of the first period never returned. The sky that man was used to see never appeared before him again: “The firmament is not the same as the heavens of the first day.” The “day” of Genesis, as I have already noted, is said to be equal to a thousand years.

It was after the fall of man, according to Hebrew tradition, that the sun set for the first time: “The first time Adam witnessed the sinking of the sun, he was seized with anxious fears. All the night he spent in tears. When day began to dawn, he understood that what he had deplored was but the course of nature.” It was also then that the seasons began. This is told in the following story: “Adam noticed that the days were growing shorter and feared lest the world be darkened . . . but after the winter solstice he saw that the days grew longer again.”

The earth also underwent changes: “Independent before, she was hereafter to wait to be watered by the rain from above." The variety of species diminished. Man, according to Hebrew legends, decreased in size; there was a “vast difference between his later and his former state—between his supernatural size then, and his shrunken size now." He also lost his horny skin. The whole of nature altered its ways (The Pre-Adamite Age by Immanuel Velikovsky)


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**** 3 Billions Years Old *** maximally reduced to SIX words
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Young earth! bash

Old earth! bash

I agree with you! You are cool! luv

Young earth! bash

Old earth! bash

YHVH is not God! secrets

Young earth! bash

Old earth! bash



That about sums it up. blahblah

That only sums up the mindset of religious ego-centric intolerant humans.

Believe in your 6000-year old theory, read your bible, and worship your church... but you're outnumbered buddy.

Logic > myth
Earth > 'god'
Nature > mankind

Hence how organized churches were even established. Through conflict, violence, and lies.

Enjoy your bible. I'll be sure to use it to wipe my ass when I'm camping and don't have toilet paper. Or when I need to roll a quick joint. Comes in handy!
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heh heh heh.....

My theory in action!


I've no idea how old the earth is Mr. Happy.


And what you do with any Bible is of no concern to me.

Do what thou wilt. violin
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And you know what?
To not know for sure does not bother me in the least.
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I agree with panthera~onca ...

fwiw
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Cayce: “… The greater portion of Japan must go into the sea. …. then we may know it has begun …”. www.near-death.com/experiences/cayce11.html
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Creator or Liar?...

[link to www.chick.com]
Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
Psa 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, [and] all the nations that forget God.
Jer 6:2 I have likened the daughter of Zion to a comely and delicate [woman].
STOCK UP NOW. You should have at least 6 months worth of basics for every member of your household. Stay away from crowds when trouble starts, do not forget water storage, tobacco is worth more than gold or silver, and be kind to hungry children.
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Fascinating HT, Thanks. hf
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Thank You, and you're welcome!

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Proof of *my* theory, lol:

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It is claimed that many perceived social ills like crime, teen pregnancies, homosexuality, abortion, immorality, wars, etc. are caused by a belief in evolution.[112] R. Albert Mohler, Jr., President of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky, wrote August 8, 2005 in National Public Radio's forum, "Taking Issue", that "Debates over education, abortion, environmentalism, homosexuality and a host of other issues are really debates about the origin—and thus the meaning—of human life.... Evolutionary theory stands at the base of moral relativism and the rejection of traditional morality".[113][114] Creationist Ken Ham likens evolution to a horde of termites, weakening society's foundation. In Why Won't They Listen?, Ham suggests that "evolutionary termites" are responsible for pornography, homosexual behavior and lawlessness. He also writes, "I'm not saying that evolution is the cause of abortion or school violence. What I'm saying is that the more a culture abandons God's word as the absolute authority, and the more a culture accepts an evolutionary philosophy, then the way people think, and their attitudes, will also change."[115] Former Texas Republican Representative Tom DeLay claimed that the Columbine school shootings were caused by the teaching of evolution. DeLay is quoted as stating that "Our school systems teach the children that they are nothing but glorified apes who are evolutionized [sic] out of some primordial soup."[116] Henry M. Morris, engineering professor and founder of the Creation Research Society and the Institute of Creation Research, claims that evolution was part of a pagan religion that emerged after the Tower of Babel, was part of Plato's and Aristotle's philosophies, and was responsible for everything from war to pornography to the breakup of the nuclear family.[117]
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And you know what?
To not know for sure does not bother me in the least.
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I agree with panthera~onca ...

fwiw
 Quoting: Aquarius 7



Perhaps the better question to ponder rather than the age of the earth is.....

how did it get here? scratching
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