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Evolution .Debunked .Sorry .History channel

 
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I didn't know there was pure hydrogen peroxide flowing out of my tap when I open it.

Water is 2 atoms hydrogen and 1 atom oxygen, oxygen is 2 atoms oxygen.

Hydrogen Peroxide is 2 atoms hydrogen and 2 atoms oxygen, which isn't even found in nature.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Claiming there is oxygen (in the O2 sense) everywhere is completely and utterly retarded, not even a 14 year old highschool kid should make such rediculous claim.

And yes in the post I refused to go into your chemistry knowledge you did assert that since plants create the molecule oxygen and plants aren't nuclear plants creating new elements (not even taking the fact into consideration that there are for example algae producing oxygen through photosynthesis as well).

Seriously discussing this shit is even degrading for me to have to write a rebuttal to.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 669235


Oxygen — Atomic Symbol: O
[link to www.google.ca]


How old are you?

Shouldn't you be playing with your friends?
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this must be a fucking retard convention once again. Well god people, how did this place happen to come together an in what time period? Bibles 7 days do not count.
-jf
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The bugs, believed to be descended from ocean-dwelling organisms
descends = evolved from
ocean = H2Oxygen

6666666666666666666666666666666666666666

Thanks for helping prove Evolution.
 Quoting: DrPostman

Up Yours!!!


DICTIONARY: evolve; 1. to develop gradually

From the Garden wearing animal skins into city-slickers wearing gabardine, we evolved!

peace

peace
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Oxygen -- Destroyed the Theory of Evolution.

For any living organism to exist and to have evolved there would have had to be the presents of Oxygen, and as you all well know plant-life (treeeees) produce OXYGEN.

Plant-life (treeeees) would still need oxygen for the plant themselves to evolve (water = H2Oxygen) + (carbon dioxide = CO2-2 oxygen atoms), therefore, only divine & infinite intelligence could have master-crafted the Universe and all life within.

bump bump
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peace

peace
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Evolutionists are some of the most ignorant, tow the company line types out there.

They've been sold a form of Hinduism and in the ever wishful thinking they can somehow "evolve" into a "god" they've flushed their brain down the toilet.

Teach a man he's a monkey and you have a fool for a lifetime.



---------------------------------------------------

I bet you didnt know that your god fugger is the offspring of two retarded monkeys, did you?

Not only that, your god humper dumper dood was born horribly deformed.

Yep it's true, His asshole is in the center of his face. That's why he spends his life doodling other monkeys, and of course pigs and goats.

That's just one of the many reasons your humpty dumpty assholeface dog turd god guy will never appear to save you silly brain dead christurds.

So suck up some more of your ignorant silly worthless BLIND FAITH you mindless loser.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 535029

God created a monkey and labeled the monkey a number of

535029; one of many numbers of the beast.

Then God said ...

I have given you the ABILITY TO HAVE SPEECH AND

ALSO TO BE STUPID FOREVER.

Therefor ye shall curse me and all my Christians forever

so that on the day of Judgement I will be able to cast you

into hell without regard to any mercy.

I am God and I shall do whatever I please.

The smell of burning monkey shall be a reminder to those

who come after.

Your eternal screaming shall be heard throughout the

heavens and your begging for forgiveness shall go

un-noticed.








odance
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I didn't know there was pure hydrogen peroxide flowing out of my tap when I open it.

Water is 2 atoms hydrogen and 1 atom oxygen, oxygen is 2 atoms oxygen.

Hydrogen Peroxide is 2 atoms hydrogen and 2 atoms oxygen, which isn't even found in nature.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Claiming there is oxygen (in the O2 sense) everywhere is completely and utterly retarded, not even a 14 year old highschool kid should make such rediculous claim.

And yes in the post I refused to go into your chemistry knowledge you did assert that since plants create the molecule oxygen and plants aren't nuclear plants creating new elements (not even taking the fact into consideration that there are for example algae producing oxygen through photosynthesis as well).

Seriously discussing this shit is even degrading for me to have to write a rebuttal to.


Oxygen — Atomic Symbol: O
[link to www.google.ca]


How old are you?

Shouldn't you be playing with your friends?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 682032


Euhm you still didn't comprehend the difference between the molecule oxygen we breath (O2) and the atomic element (O)...
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The bugs, believed to be descended from ocean-dwelling organisms
descends = evolved from
ocean = H2Oxygen


Thanks for helping prove Evolution.
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lol.
post of the day.
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Dead Sea eh?

Water - H2Oxygen

O K A Y!!!!
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FREE oxygen.

If you skip what you think are unnecessary words, you get the wrong answers.
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Before the rat race..Before monkeys had human traits..
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Evolutionists are some of the most ignorant, tow the company line types out there.

They've been sold a form of Hinduism and in the ever wishful thinking they can somehow "evolve" into a "god" they've flushed their brain down the toilet.

Teach a man he's a monkey and you have a fool for a lifetime.
 Quoting: Bugeater 648022


Oh Jesus. s226
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Originally..

We came down from the realm of SPIRIT..

We did not evolve up from the realm of matter..


Whole lotta LYING going on in here..To keep US from REMEMBERING..

To keep US from thinking in any other way than we are told/taught...

And of course..Most believe that things in here are just as they see them..
Not KNOWING that they do NOT SEE at all in here..

That they CLOSED OUR EYES..

And BLINDED US with the so called "LIGHT/SUN" in here..

You don't REMEMBER what really happened
..You don't really SEE in here..
SO it all works on most of US...
"Pray for solace..Pray for resolve..Pray for a savior..Pray for deliverance..Some kind of purpose..A glimpse of a LIGHT in this VOID OF EXISTENCE..Now witness the END of an age..Hope dies in hands of believers..Who seek the truth in the LIAR'S EYE"

"The greatest TRICK the Devil ever pulled was not convincing the world he doesn't exist..But convincing it that he is GOD"

"I have no pleasure in any man who despises music. It is no invention of ours: It is a gift of GOD. I place it next to theology. Satan hates music: He knows how it drives the EVIL spirit OUT of US."
- Martin Luther


"What have I done?..Where have I come from?..When I burnt the backs with the SUN through a GLASS..Did I SEAL the loss that's become me?.. Feeling undone..What have I become? ..When I turned my back on you..I turned my back on MYSELF and became this MACHINE"

"What you IGNORE now..Will come OUT of YOU later"

"Stones to throw at my Creator..
MASOCHISTS to which I cater..You don't need to bother..I don't need to be..I'll keep slipping farther..
But once I hold on..I won't let go 'til it BLEEDS"
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Why cant you athiests get it through your head that everything around you, including yourselves were imagined first and then created?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 685034

You just claim it.

How about the computer you are on? First it was imagined, and then it was constructed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 685034

No. First it was abacus, then it was primitive mechanical calculating devices, then lamp computers, then transistor based, now microtransistors... evolution, just poverd by human mind.


Your bodies and brains are way more advanced than the most advanced computer ever made. Can you code .D.N.A to grow into a computer? NO.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 685034

YES! Not a very good one, but yes, first methods of using DNA machinery to perform calculations are being tested.

When talking about a creator, no religion, or bible needs to be mentioned. Why is the subject of God such a touchy subject? When the science teacher was teaching our class evolution, I thought ''no way'' and i wasnt at all religious.

Why does the subject of God always need to be about religion. Religion is only the opinions of others as to what they think god expects from us.

That fact that people have grown adapted to the magic that is around you blinds people. Maybe thats why you couldnt be raised with god, because
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 685034


Without a doubt there is a reason to all things, however peoples claims of knowledge of God are ridiculous, god said this, god created that, god interveined into peoples business = BS! If god exists it is not for a human to describe it.
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Its a lot easier to prove god exists than to prove god doesnt exist. Just think logical. People try so hard to debunk creation, when in fact all they are doing is making themselves look ignorant.
 Quoting: God welcomer 684551


Again, there is nothing to debunk. We can choose two ways:
1) Attack the opinion.
2) Attack the people directly, who carry this opinion.

"making themselves look ignorant" no way, I am giving you a chance to prove god exists, please, arm your logic and hard proof cannons and go! This is exact oposite of "ignorant". I am listening.

Then you have these Darwinists who claim that creation and evolution coincide. Humans were created as humans, and not very long ago at all. Over 6 billion people on the outskirts of our family trees right now. Look at a big tree with lots of branches and follow the branches inward toward the trunk. If the family trees were planted even 20000 years ago there would be a trillion people right now. Now some narrow mind is going to say '' wars & diseases kept the population down over time.'' True but still, a family tree has less and less branches the closer you get to the trunk. This very civilization is only a few thousand years old, not millions. Sure this planet is millions of years old, but for some reason our family trees were planted or replanted not very long ago. Do the math. The world population a century
 Quoting: God welcomer 684551


Family trees? Pff... Ever heard of fertility rates?
[link to www.pregnantpause.org]
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ill start with a simple 1.
Debunk the evolution of birds

we have fossil evidence of dinosaurs with feathers and birds have an eerily similar bone structure to that species of dinosaur
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FREE oxygen.

If you skip what you think are unnecessary words, you get the wrong answers.
 Quoting: nomuse (NLI) 679859

Euhm you still didn't comprehend the difference between the molecule oxygen we breath (O2) and the atomic element (O)...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 669235

Both of you living in denial will never be granted the right answers!!

peace

peace
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:wewin:
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Uh, where? I'd like to see them. Did we jump from Neanderthal or Cro-Magnon?

He is still considered by scientists today to be taller and larger brained than the average human living today.
The first puzzle causes these physical characteristics to be not pleasant for the anthropologist. To fit in more gracefully with their theories, Cro Magnon should have been shorter and smaller brained than the average for humans today. However his actual characteristics are totally in accord with the assertions of Theosophy. They even represent yet another confirmation of Theosophical knowledge.

A second and major puzzle for anthropologists is that Cro Magnon man appears to arrive with his culture from no discernable origin. He does not show any discernable development. His culture was distinctly superior to others around him. This could be seen clearly in the nature of his tools. His art work was also seen to be superior. He painted those cave walls that we hear about and that Blavatsky commented upon. His culture does not appear to come from any source that we can identify. That culture gives all the appearance of arriving from elsewhere already developed.

If you would like a shock, check out this cro magnon drawing of a woman at [link to atlantisquest.com] . She is wearing clothes! Those clothes are sewn! She is wearing shoes and a hat! But I thought these were cave men who wore animal skins? And a note on the men - they were clean shaven!

These cave men also had houses! We do not know what exactly they were made of but we do have the post holes.

You can see by now that the cro magnon man is becoming undesirable from the view point of traditional science.

But the third and worst problem of all is that science cannot determine where his bones come from. His skeletal structure does not have traces developing from any surrounding area. And at that, his skeletal structure, as mentioned, is not what science would like to find.

Genetic mutations? Organisms would not change from one species to another unless the genetic material was changed. Mutations are changes passed from parent to offspring caused by variations of the original genetic material.

Mutations are "errors" in DNA replication. These errors almost always are harmful.
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Cro-Magnon woman looks like an astronaut!
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If a species needed to evolve, or adapt to its environment to survive, the species would completely die off long before it was able to adapt. The single-cell organism that allegedly started life on this planet would have become extinct long before an evolution process would be complete. If a fish needed to grow gills to breath in water, it would take a long time, and many generations of fish to complete the process. Unfortunately, the first generation could not breath in the water, so they drowned and became extinct before being able to start growing gills. What came first, the chicken or the egg? The chicken was imagined first, then it was grown through cell-reproduction. Everything was imagined first, and then created by an extremely advanced, imaginative entity. Why isn't your creator here right now? I already explained why in the thread .''.Aleph-tau'' .Take time to read it. Jason
 Quoting: Jason 688268


It was debunked in the OPs mind. He clearly has no concept of how evolution works. Since it is beyond his understanding, he comes to the conclusion that it is not possible and that he just debunked it.
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Madame Blavatsky claims all of European paleolithic man as Atlantean.

Wow, they were larger than present man and had a larger brain!

I really thought Neanderthal and Cro-magnon were rejects in the biogenetic experiements.
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Why can't God use the process of evolution for creation?


Life began with the Big Bang, we presume, and life evolved from water or an asteroid containing DNA, because our DNA did not come from earth.

Christians have their silly fairytale story of God modeling clay. The Source is within all and my conception of God is an intelligent consciousness that we knew in the beginning.
This intelligent consciousness is in all things and water.

So, why can't we have evolution and creationism combined?
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WOW Jason, when you pick a topic for discussion, you pick a doozy!

The gulf between science and spirituality (not religion) is one of the broken things that must be fixed before man completes this phase of his growth (aka evolution).

We must not dismiss either paradigm in parroting the arguments of the last 500 years. The rational male element (science) and the intuitive female element (spiritual) must be reconciled with each other to balance our understanding of creation. Only then can we move to the next level of learning.

The scientist must admit that he resorts to spontaneous generation at some point in his argument, and the spiritualist needs to understand that time is perceived and described in scripture in different ways.

Look for points of agreement rather than differences. Be kind and respect your adversary's opinion. The law of reconciliation should be applied.

The way to the future is found through open minds and hearts.

Thank You for your time,

dennis
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WOW Jason, when you pick a topic for discussion, you pick a doozy!

The gulf between science and spirituality (not religion) is one of the broken things that must be fixed before man completes this phase of his growth (aka evolution).

We must not dismiss either paradigm in parroting the arguments of the last 500 years. The rational male element (science) and the intuitive female element (spiritual) must be reconciled with each other to balance our understanding of creation. Only then can we move to the next level of learning.

The scientist must admit that he resorts to spontaneous generation at some point in his argument, and the spiritualist needs to understand that time is perceived and described in scripture in different ways.

Look for points of agreement rather than differences. Be kind and respect your adversary's opinion. The law of reconciliation should be applied.

The way to the future is found through open minds and hearts.

Thank You for your time,

dennis
 Quoting: dt123


About the bolded part, please provide evidence for this idea. Currently everything points to natural selection and has nothing to do with "growth" how we would define it (just look at extinction events for example).

X-men isn't an example of how humans could possible "evolve"...
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Why can't God use the process of evolution for creation?


Life began with the Big Bang, we presume, and life evolved from water or an asteroid containing DNA, because our DNA did not come from earth.

Christians have their silly fairytale story of God modeling clay. The Source is within all and my conception of God is an intelligent consciousness that we knew in the beginning.
This intelligent consciousness is in all things and water.

So, why can't we have evolution and creationism combined?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 594943


Science claims we know how evolution works. Evolution = FACT
Science doesn't claim we know how life started. Abogenesis = UNCERTAIN. We have teories, but they can not be confirmed until we reproduce it or observe it, so there isn't an established fact of start of life.

Now apply occam's razor: "Given many same probabilty explanations, the simplest one is considered true, untill better is found".

"God did it" is fairly simple. Of cource I don't belive it, but it is simple and no worse then "accident chemical mix theory" so for me, the great Atheist "God did it" stands, untill some experimental work manages to reaplicate Abogenesis.

Hear me roar using Scientific method!

Evolution, on the other hand, has been obseved, tested and here is no place for "God going magic animal by animal" left.
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ill start with a simple 1.
Debunk the evolution of birds

we have fossil evidence of dinosaurs with feathers and birds have an eerily similar bone structure to that species of dinosaur
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proove the evolution of birds or any other evolution or billions of years for the alledged evolution.
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I take it that the 'debunkers' of evolution went to American Public High School, ergo they have these false arguments and questions that may 'sound' right, but really do not address the mechanisms of adaptation and evolution of species.

Evolution is at the very least a two step process.

You have the adaptation of species, ergo we have Indian Elephant, Asian elephant and African Elephant.

Then we have the generation of new species from older species. Thus we have a primate way back in history that lead to us and lead to the Great Apes.
 Quoting: Wraithwynd


American schools teach evolution.

There is no evolution between man and apes.
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You ought to read about the Toba eruption that almost made
humans extinct 74,000 years ago.
 Quoting: DrPostman


Radioactive ‘dating’ failure
Recent New Zealand lava flows yield ‘ages’ of millions of years

by Andrew Snelling

Standing roughly in the centre of New Zealand’s North Island, Mt Ngauruhoe is New Zealand’s newest volcano and one of the most active. It is not as well publicized as its larger close neighbour MT Ruapehu, which has erupted briefly several times in the last five years.

However, Mt Ngauruhoe is an imposing, almost perfect cone that rises more than 1,000 metres (3,300 feet) above the surrounding landscape.

Mt Ngauruhoe is thought to have been active for at least 2,500 years, with more than 70 eruptive periods since 1839, when European settlers first recorded a steam eruption. Of course, before that, the Maoris witnessed many eruptions from the mountain. The first lava eruption seen by Europeans occurred in 1870. Then there were ash eruptions every few years until a major explosive eruption in April–May 1948, followed by lava flowing down the northwestern slopes in February 1949. The estimated lava volume was about 575,000 cubic metres (20 million cubic feet).

Conclusion

The radioactive potassium-argon dating method has been demonstrated to fail on 1949, 1954, and 1975 lava flows at Mt Ngauruhoe, New Zealand, in spite of the quality of the laboratory’s K–Ar analytical work. We know the true ages of the rocks because they were observed to form less than 50 years ago. Yet they yield ‘ages’ up to 3.5 million years which are thus false. How can we trust the use of this same ‘dating’ method on rocks whose ages we don’t know? If the method fails on rocks when we have an independent eye-witness account, then why should we trust it on other rocks where there are no independent historical cross-checks?
[link to www.answersingenesis.org]
[link to www.detectingdesign.com]
[link to www.trueorigin.org]

The age of the earth has changed several times over the centuries. After the supposed moon mission and resulting rock samples were tested these estimates increased to 4.5 billion.

Moon rocks

In general, the rocks collected from the Moon are extremely old compared to rocks found on Earth, as measured by radiometric dating techniques. They range in age from about 3.16 billion years old for the basaltic samples derived from the lunar maria, up to about 4.5 billion years old for rocks derived from the highlands. Based on the age dating technique of "crater counting," the youngest basaltic eruptions are believed to have occurred about 1.2 billion years ago, but we do not possess samples of these lavas. In contrast, the oldest ages of rocks from the Earth are about 3.8 billion years old, a vastly different value from that of the moon.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

This all rest on the supposed moon mission, rocks and faulty radiometric dating.

Age of the Earth
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Modern geologists and geophysicists consider the age of the Earth to be around 4.54 billion years. This age has been determined by radiometric age dating of meteorite material and is consistent with the ages of the oldest-known terrestrial and lunar samples.

Arthur Holmes published The Age of the Earth, an Introduction to Geological Ideas in 1927 in which he presented a range of 1.6 to 3.0 billion years based on radiometric dating.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Evolution: Fact or Belief?
[link to video.google.com]

Is the Theory of Evolution a scientific fact or a mere belief? Five world top scientific minds give their answer on Evolution. A ground breaking video sold all round the world, award winning international documentary, now available for all to see.
( 1 hr 13m )
[link to www.noevolution.org]
The thrust of the film is the lab research from Colorado State University on stratification of the geocolumn and subsequent dating methods.
including:
Prof M. Giertych, geneticist
Prof R. Fondi, paleontologist
Prof G. Sermonti, molecular biologist
Prof. Boudreaux, inorganic chemist
Guy Berthault, sedimentologist

Colorado State University flood modeling - Experiments on Stratification by Pierre Julien & Guy Berthault. Published by Geological Society of France, French Academy of Sciences, Russian Academy of Sciences Journal, and others...
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You ought to read about the Toba eruption that almost made
humans extinct 74,000 years ago.


Radioactive ‘dating’ failure
Recent New Zealand lava flows yield ‘ages’ of millions of years

by Andrew Snelling

Standing roughly in the centre of New Zealand’s North Island, Mt Ngauruhoe is New Zealand’s newest volcano and one of the most active. It is not as well publicized as its larger close neighbour MT Ruapehu, which has erupted briefly several times in the last five years.

However, Mt Ngauruhoe is an imposing, almost perfect cone that rises more than 1,000 metres (3,300 feet) above the surrounding landscape.

Mt Ngauruhoe is thought to have been active for at least 2,500 years, with more than 70 eruptive periods since 1839, when European settlers first recorded a steam eruption. Of course, before that, the Maoris witnessed many eruptions from the mountain. The first lava eruption seen by Europeans occurred in 1870. Then there were ash eruptions every few years until a major explosive eruption in April–May 1948, followed by lava flowing down the northwestern slopes in February 1949. The estimated lava volume was about 575,000 cubic metres (20 million cubic feet).

Conclusion

The radioactive potassium-argon dating method has been demonstrated to fail on 1949, 1954, and 1975 lava flows at Mt Ngauruhoe, New Zealand, in spite of the quality of the laboratory’s K–Ar analytical work. We know the true ages of the rocks because they were observed to form less than 50 years ago. Yet they yield ‘ages’ up to 3.5 million years which are thus false. How can we trust the use of this same ‘dating’ method on rocks whose ages we don’t know? If the method fails on rocks when we have an independent eye-witness account, then why should we trust it on other rocks where there are no independent historical cross-checks?
[link to www.answersingenesis.org]
[link to www.detectingdesign.com]
[link to www.trueorigin.org]

The age of the earth has changed several times over the centuries. After the supposed moon mission and resulting rock samples were tested these estimates increased to 4.5 billion.

Moon rocks

In general, the rocks collected from the Moon are extremely old compared to rocks found on Earth, as measured by radiometric dating techniques. They range in age from about 3.16 billion years old for the basaltic samples derived from the lunar maria, up to about 4.5 billion years old for rocks derived from the highlands. Based on the age dating technique of "crater counting," the youngest basaltic eruptions are believed to have occurred about 1.2 billion years ago, but we do not possess samples of these lavas. In contrast, the oldest ages of rocks from the Earth are about 3.8 billion years old, a vastly different value from that of the moon.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

This all rest on the supposed moon mission, rocks and faulty radiometric dating.

Age of the Earth
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Modern geologists and geophysicists consider the age of the Earth to be around 4.54 billion years. This age has been determined by radiometric age dating of meteorite material and is consistent with the ages of the oldest-known terrestrial and lunar samples.

Arthur Holmes published The Age of the Earth, an Introduction to Geological Ideas in 1927 in which he presented a range of 1.6 to 3.0 billion years based on radiometric dating.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Evolution: Fact or Belief?
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Is the Theory of Evolution a scientific fact or a mere belief? Five world top scientific minds give their answer on Evolution. A ground breaking video sold all round the world, award winning international documentary, now available for all to see.
( 1 hr 13m )
[link to www.noevolution.org]
The thrust of the film is the lab research from Colorado State University on stratification of the geocolumn and subsequent dating methods.
including:
Prof M. Giertych, geneticist
Prof R. Fondi, paleontologist
Prof G. Sermonti, molecular biologist
Prof. Boudreaux, inorganic chemist
Guy Berthault, sedimentologist

Colorado State University flood modeling - Experiments on Stratification by Pierre Julien & Guy Berthault. Published by Geological Society of France, French Academy of Sciences, Russian Academy of Sciences Journal, and others...
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Fail....

[link to www.cs.unc.edu]

"So this confirms that argon can travel from rock to rock when one rock is heated. Now, argon is very soluble in magma, which can hold a lot of it"


Indeed not every dating technique works on every example yet somehow your creationist friends manage to totally fubar the standpoint by claiming non of the dating methods are accurate. IT IS WELL KNOWN THAT THIS DATING METHOD DOES NOT WORK ON LAVA FLOWS HENCE SCIENTISTS DON'T USE THIS METHOD ON LAVA FLOWS (only creationists wanting to "debunk" this dating method use it on lava flows since they KNOW it will give fluke data).
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Re: Evolution .Debunked .Sorry .History channel
I take it that the 'debunkers' of evolution went to American Public High School, ergo they have these false arguments and questions that may 'sound' right, but really do not address the mechanisms of adaptation and evolution of species.

Evolution is at the very least a two step process.

You have the adaptation of species, ergo we have Indian Elephant, Asian elephant and African Elephant.

Then we have the generation of new species from older species. Thus we have a primate way back in history that lead to us and lead to the Great Apes.


American schools teach evolution.

There is no evolution between man and apes.
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Alright please explain why we share RNA retro virusses with chimps and other apes and how we can even explain why we have 1 less chromosome then the other apes (read we can see exactly how it happened on DNA level).
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Re: Evolution .Debunked .Sorry .History channel
I take it that the 'debunkers' of evolution went to American Public High School, ergo they have these false arguments and questions that may 'sound' right, but really do not address the mechanisms of adaptation and evolution of species.

Evolution is at the very least a two step process.

You have the adaptation of species, ergo we have Indian Elephant, Asian elephant and African Elephant.

Then we have the generation of new species from older species. Thus we have a primate way back in history that lead to us and lead to the Great Apes.


American schools teach evolution.

There is no evolution between man and apes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 689000


For thousands of years pagans have been claiming lower life forms came from nowhere. There's no evidence. And there is no evidence man has ever been anything but man.

Man is not a species, or genetic variation of the ape. Chimps are not a species of the ape. These are all very different, as for example, the dog and a bear.

There are observed so-called speciation, which is a fluid definition that describes genetic variability, within all organisms. This is not evolution.


Genetics: no friend of evolution
A highly qualified biologist tells it like it is
by Lane P. Lester, Ph.D.

Genetics and evolution have been enemies from the beginning of those two concepts. Gregor Mendel, the father of genetics, and Charles Darwin, the father of evolution, were contemporaries. At the same time that Darwin was claiming that creatures could change into other creatures, Mendel was showing that even individual characteristics remain constant.

While Darwin’s ideas were based on erroneous and untested ideas about inheritance, Mendel’s conclusions were based on careful experimentation. Only by ignoring the total implications of modern genetics has it been possible to maintain the fiction of evolution.
[link to creationresearch.org]


Pasteur proved life only comes from life (law of biogenesis)
Pasteur and other scientists disproved the concept of spontaneous generation and established that life comes only from previous life.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

The idea of spontaneous generation was based on ancient superstition rather than any scientific research.

The belief that inanimate matter can produce life is actually a medieval superstition. According to this theory, called "spontaneous generation", it was believed that mice sprang naturally from wheat, or maggots arose "spontaneously" from meat. At the time when Darwin put forward his theory, the belief that microbes of their own accord formed themselves from inanimate matter was also very common.
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Re: Evolution .Debunked .Sorry .History channel
Pick your Faith......


#1
GOD almighty and He already gave us HIS word..



OR



#2 ( just like the bathroom numbers )

Evilotion..
Opps I mean Evolution.


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That is what it all boils down to in the end.

FAITH in one or the other.....





GLP