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*******USS LIBERTY SUNK BY ISRAEL BACK IN THE NEWS -- A SILVER MEDAL GIVEN TO AN AMERICAN HERO*******

 
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*******USS LIBERTY SUNK BY ISRAEL BACK IN THE NEWS -- A SILVER MEDAL GIVEN TO AN AMERICAN HERO*******
June 2, 2009

USS Liberty Vet Awarded the Silver Star
Navy Vet Honored, Foiled Israeli Attack
By RAY McGOVERN

What’s the difference between murder and massacre?

The answer is Terry Halbardier, whose bravery and ingenuity as a 23-year-old Navy seaman spelled the difference between the murder of 34 of the USS Liberty crew and the intended massacre of all 294.

The date was June 8, 1967; and for the families of the 34 murdered and for the Liberty’s survivors and their families, it is a “date which will live in infamy” — like the date of an earlier surprise attack on the U.S. Navy.

The infamy is two-fold: (1) the Liberty, a virtually defenseless intelligence collection platform prominently flying an American flag in international waters, came under deliberate attack by Israeli aircraft and three 60-ton Israeli torpedo boats off the coast of the Sinai on a cloudless June afternoon during the six-day Israeli-Arab war; and (2) President Lyndon Johnson called back carrier aircraft dispatched to defend the Liberty lest Israel be embarrassed — the start of an unconscionable cover-up, including top Navy brass, that persists to this day.

Given all they have been through, the Liberty survivors and other veterans – who joined Halbardier to celebrate his belated receipt of the Silver Star – can be forgiven for having doubted that this day would ever come. In the award ceremony at the Visalia (California) office of Rep. Devin Nunes, the Republican congressman pinned the Silver Star next to the Purple Heart that Halbardier found in his home mailbox three years ago.

Nunes said, “The government has kept this quiet I think for too long, and I felt as my constituent he [Halbardier] needed to get recognized for the services he made to his country.”

Nunes got that right. Despite the many indignities the Liberty crew has been subjected to, the mood in Visalia was pronouncedly a joyous one of Better (42 years) Late Than Never. And, it did take some time to sink in: Wow, a gutsy congressman not afraid to let the truth hang out on this delicate issue.

Treatment Accorded the Skipper

As we gathered in Congressman Nunes’s office, I could not get out of my head the contrast between this simple, uncomplicated event and the rigmarole that senior Navy officers went through to pin a richly deserved Medal of Honor on another hero of that day, the Liberty’s skipper, Captain William McGonagle.

Although badly wounded by Israeli fire on June 8, 1967, McGonagle was able to keep the bombed, torpedoed, napalmed Liberty afloat and limping toward Malta, where what was left of the bodies of the 34 crewmen killed and the 174 wounded could be attended to.

Do the math: yes, killed and wounded amounted to more than two-thirds of the Liberty crew of 294.

I remembered what a naval officer involved in McGonagle’s award ceremony told one of the Liberty crew: “The government is pretty jumpy about Israel…the State Department even asked the Israeli ambassador if his government had any objections to McGonagle getting the medal.”

When McGonagle received his award, the White House (the normal venue for a Medal of Honor award) was all booked up, it seems, and President Johnson (who would have been the usual presenter) was unavailable. So it fell to the Secretary of the Navy to sneak off to the Washington Navy Yard on the banks of the acrid Anacostia River, where he presented McGonagle with the Medal of Honor and a citation that described the attack but not the identity of the attackers.

Please don’t misunderstand. The Liberty crew is not big on ceremony. They are VERY-not-big on politicians who wink when Navy comrades are killed and wounded at sea.

Getting the Truth Out

The Liberty survivors are big on getting the truth out about what actually happened that otherwise beautiful day in June 1967. Last Wednesday’s award of the Silver Star to Terry Halbardier marked a significant step in the direction of truth telling. Is it too much to hope that the example set by Nunes may embolden other lawmakers to right the wrongs done to their Liberty-veteran constituents — and thus to chip away at what’s left of the cover-up?

Halbardier said he accepted his Silver Star on behalf of the entire 294-man crew. He and fellow survivor Don Pageler expressed particular satisfaction at the wording of the citation, which stated explicitly -- with none of the usual fudging -- the identity of the attackers: “The USS Liberty was attacked by Israeli aircraft and motor torpedo boats in the East Mediterranean Sea….” In the past, official citations, like Captain McGonagle’s, had avoided mentioning Israel by name when alluding to the attack.

I think former U.S. Ambassador Edward Peck put it best in condemning this kind of approach as “obsequious, unctuous subservience to the peripheral interests of a foreign nation at the cost of the lives and morale of our own service members and their families.” Strong words for a diplomat. But right on target.

Were it not for Halbardier’s bravery, ingenuity, and technical expertise, the USS Liberty would surely have sunk, taking down much – if not all – of the crew. Israeli commando helicopters were ready to take care of any personnel still that survived the sinking.

The first thing the Israeli aircraft bombed and strafed were the Liberty’s communications antennae and other equipment. They succeeded in destroying all the antennae that were functional. One antenna on the port side, though, had been out of commission and had escaped damage.

On Deck—Just a Guy From Texas

In receiving the Silver Star, Halbardier made light of his heroism, claiming that he was just a guy from Texas who could do a whole lot with simple stuff like baling wire. (In the infantry we called this kind of thing a “field expedient.”) In any case, with his can-do attitude and his technical training, he figured he might be able to get that particular antenna working again. But first he would have to repair a cable that had been destroyed on deck and then connect the antenna to a transmitter.

The deck was still being strafed, but Halbardier grabbed a reel of cable, ran out onto the deck, and attached new cable to the antenna so a radioman could get an SOS out to the 6th fleet in the Mediterranean.

Voila. “Mayday” went out; almost immediately the Israeli aircraft and torpedo ships broke off the attack and went back to base; the Israeli government sent a quick apology to Washington for its unfortunate “mistake;” and President Johnson issued orders to everyone to make believe the Israelis were telling the truth — or at least to remain silent.

To their discredit, top Navy brass went along, and the Liberty survivors were threatened with court martial and prison if they so much as mentioned to their wives what had actually happened. They were enjoined as well from discussing it with one another. As Liberty crewman Don Pageler put it, “We all headed out after that, and we didn’t talk to each other.”

The circumstances were ready-made for serious Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder.

The stories shared by Liberty survivors after the award ceremony, including descriptions of the macabre but necessary effort to reassemble torpedoed body parts, and the plague of survivor’s guilt, were as heart-rending as any I have heard. They are stories that should be shared more widely for those muzzled far too long — those who, even 42 years later, might be helped by being in contact with other Liberty survivors, and being able to talk about it.

These were the deep emotional scars to supplement the ones all over Halbardier’s body, some of which he uncovered when asked by the local press gathered there in Visalia. Typically, Halbardier made light of the shrapnel that had to be plucked out of his flesh, emphasizing that he was lucky compared to some of the other crew.

No Mistake

Despite Israeli protestations, the accumulated evidence, including intercepted voice communications, is such that no serious observer believes Israel’s “Oops” excuse of a terrible mistake.

The following exchanges are excerpts of testimony from U.S. military and diplomatic officials given to Alison Weir, founder of “If Americans Knew” and author of American Media Miss the Boat:

Israeli pilot to ground control: “This is an American ship. Do you still want us to attack?”

Ground control: “Yes, follow orders.”

“But sir, it’s an American ship — I can see the flag!”

Ground control: “Never mind; hit it!”

Haviland Smith, a CIA officer stationed in Beirut during the Six-Day War, says he was told that the transcripts were “deep-sixed,” because the U.S. government did not want to embarrass Israel.


Tapes Also Destroyed
Equally telling is the fact that the National Security Agency (NSA) destroyed voice tapes seen by many intelligence analysts, showing that the Israelis knew exactly what they were doing.

I asked a former CIA colleague, who was also an analyst at that time, what he remembered of those circumstances. Here is his e-mail reply:

“The chief of the analysts studying the Arab-Israeli region at the time told me about the intercepted messages and said very flatly and firmly that the pilots reported seeing the American flag and repeated their requests of confirmation of the attack order. Whole platoons of Americans saw those intercepts. If NSA now says they do not exist, then someone ordered them destroyed.”

One need hardly add at this point that the destruction of evidence without investigation is an open invitation to repetition in the future.

Think interrogation videotapes, for example.

As for the legal side: the late Captain Ward Boston, unburdened himself on his accomplice role as the Navy lawyer appointed as senior counsel to Adm. Isaac Kidd, who led a one-week (!) investigation and then followed orders to pronounce the attack on the Liberty a case of “mistaken identity.”

Boston signed a formal declaration on Jan. 8, 2004, in which he said he was “outraged at the efforts of the apologists for Israel in this country to claim that this attack was a case of ‘mistaken identity.’” Boston continued:

“The evidence was clear. Both Adm. Kidd and I believed with certainty that this attack … was a deliberate effort to sink an American ship and murder its entire crew … Not only did the Israelis attack the ship with napalm, gunfire, and missiles, Israeli torpedo boats machine-gunned three lifeboats that had been launched in an attempt by the crew to save the most seriously wounded — a war crime …

“I know from personal conversations I had with Adm. Kidd that President Lyndon Johnson and Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara ordered him to conclude that the attack was a case of ‘mistaken identity’ despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.”

W. Patrick Lang, Col., USA (ret.), who was the Defense Intelligence Agency’s top analyst for the Middle East for eight years, recounted the Israeli air attacks as follows:

“The flight leader spoke to his base to report that he had the ship in view, that it was the same ship he had been briefed on, and that it was clearly marked with the U.S. flag…

“The flight commander was reluctant. That was very clear. He didn’t want to do this. He asked them a couple of times, ‘Do you really want me to do this?’ I’ve remembered it ever since. It was very striking. I’ve been harboring this memory for all these years.”

Lang, of course, is not alone. So too Terry Halbardier, who told those assembled last Wednesday, “I think about it [the attack on the Liberty] every day.”

Why Sink the Ship?

What we know for sure is, as the independent commission headed by former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Thomas Moorer put it, the attack “was a deliberate attempt to destroy an American ship and kill her entire crew.”

What we do not know for sure is why the Israelis wanted that done. Has no one dared ask the Israelis?

One view is that the Israelis did not want the United States to find out they were massing troops to seize the Golan Heights from Syria and wanted to deprive the U.S. of the opportunity to argue against such a move.

James Bamford offers an alternative view in his excellent book, Body of Secrets. Bamford adduces evidence, including reporting from an Israeli journalist eyewitness and an Israeli military historian, of wholesale killing of Egyptian prisoners of war at the coastal town of El Arish in the Sinai. The Liberty was patrolling directly opposite El Arish in international waters but within easy range to pick up intelligence on what was going on there. And the Israelis were well aware of that.

But the important thing here is not to confuse what we know (the deliberate nature of the Israeli attack) with the ultimate purpose behind it, which remains open to speculation.

Also worth noting is the conventional wisdom prevalent in our Fawning Corporate Media (FCM) that Egypt forced Israel into war in June 1967. An excellent, authoritative source has debunked that — none other than former Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin! In an unguarded moment in 1982, when he was prime minister, he admitted publicly:

“In June 1967, we had a choice. The Egyptian army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that [Egyptian President] Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.”

Thus, the Israeli attack admittedly amounted to starting a war of aggression, and the occupied West Bank territories and the Golan Heights – gained by the Israelis in the 1967 war – remain occupied to this day.

The post WWII tribunal at Nuremberg distinguished a “war of aggression” from other war crimes, terming it the “supreme international crime, differing from other war crimes only in that it contains the accumulated evil of the whole.”

Perhaps the attempt to sink the Liberty and finish off all survivors qualifies as one of those accumulated evils.

Terry Halbardier summed it up this way on Wednesday:

“There’s lots of theories but let’s just say they didn’t want us listening in to what they wanted to do.”

Getting Away With Murder

In sum, on June 8, 1967, the Israeli government learned that it could get away with murder, literally, and the crime would be covered up, so strong is the influence of the Israel Lobby in our Congress — and indeed, in the White House. And those USS Liberty veterans who survived well enough to call for an independent investigation have been hit with charges of, you guessed it, anti-Semitism.


Does all this have relevance today? Of course.

Benjamin Netanyahu, the new Israeli Prime Minister has now had an up-close-and-personal chance to take the measure of our new president and has already thumbed his nose at Barack Obama’s plea for a halt in illegal construction of Israeli settlements in the occupied territories.

The Israelis seem convinced they remain in the catbird’s seat, largely because of the Israel Lobby’s influence with U.S. lawmakers and opinion makers — not to mention the entrée the Israelis enjoy to the chief executive himself by having one of their staunchest allies, Rahm Emanuel, in position as White House chief of staff.

The recent Obama-Netanyahu encounter reminded me very much of the meeting in Vienna between another young American president and Nikita Khrushchev in early June 1961. The Soviets took the measure of President John Kennedy, and we got the Cuban missile crisis, bringing the world close to nuclear destruction.

Netanyahu is currently whipping up frenzy and fear in the face of what he calls the “existential threat” posed by Iran — frenzy about the “danger” from Iran that could lead to military action of some kind. So confident is Netanyahu of the solidity of his position with movers and shakers in the U.S. that he may be sorely tempted to mount the kind of provocation that would be aimed at confronting Obama with an unwelcome choice between joining an Israeli attack on Iran or facing dire political consequences at home.

And nothing is outlandish any more. Remember Seymour Hersh’s report about Cheney’s office conjuring up plots as to how best to trigger a war with Iran?

“The one that interested me [SH] the most was why don’t we build — we in our shipyard — build four or five boats that look like Iranian PT boats. Put Navy Seals on them with a lot of arms. And next time one of our boats goes to the Straits of Hormuz, start a shoot-up.”

Mullen’s Message

President Obama might want to think about delivering a pointed message via a senior U.S. military officer. It worked last time.

In early July 2008, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Mike Mullen, was sent to Israel to read the riot act to then-Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, who seemed to be itching to start hostilities with Iran while Bush and Cheney were still in office.

We learned from the Israeli press that Mullen, to his credit, went so far as to warn the Israelis not to even think about another incident like the attack on the USS Liberty on June 8, 1967 — that the Israelis should disabuse themselves of the notion that U.S. military support would be knee-jerk automatic if Israel somehow provoked open hostilities with Iran.

This is the only occasion of which I am aware when a U.S. official of such seniority braced Israel about the Liberty incident. A gutsy move, especially with Cheney and Elliott Abrams then in the White House, two hawks who would bless — or even encourage — an Israeli provocation that would make it very difficult for Washington to avoid springing to the defense of its “ally.”

The Israelis know that Mullen knows that the attack on the Liberty was deliberate. Mullen could have raised no more neuralgic an issue to take a shot across an Israeli bow than to cite the attack on the Liberty. The Jerusalem Post reported that Mullen cautioned that a Liberty-type incident must be avoided in any future military actions in the Middle East.

Will Netanyahu give more weight to Mullen or to pro-Israel politicians like Sen. Frank Lautenberg of New Jersey? Lautenberg, who has visited Israel 80 times since 1968, spoke with the Jerusalem Post earlier this week and pledged full support for pretty much whatever Israel wants to do:

“Israel didn’t ask us permission to drop bombs twice on Syrian nuclear facilities. I don’t hear America scolding Israel for what it did then. Hypothetically, if Israel were able to get rid of Iran’s nuclear bomb-making capability, I’m sure that America would not send Israel a chastising email message. We have to give Israel the courtesy of [allowing it to] make its own decisions.”

For good measure, Lautenberg said Israel “won’t return to the ’67 borders. They are insufficient to permit Israel to function.”

Let me ask again: Will Netanyahu give more weight to Mullen over Lautenberg and a pro-Israel U.S. Secretary of State (Hillary Clinton) who spoke about “obliterating” Iran during last year’s campaign?

In gauging President Obama’s clout with the Washington power-brokers, Netanyahu is likely to draw conclusions more from things like Obama’s inability, or reluctance, to turn off the feckless, counterproductive sabotage squads inside Iran, than from any warnings Netanyahu may have heard from the president to please not attack Iran.

Seems we are pretty much back where we were a year ago, when it looked like Olmert might mount some kind of provocation involving Iran. Perhaps President Obama should send Adm. Mullen back to Israel.

And perhaps this time Mullen should take Terry Halbardier with him.


Netanyahu needs to be confronted without delay. And June 8, the 42nd anniversary of the attempted sinking of the USS Liberty, could prove an interesting time to be in Tel Aviv.

Ray McGovern was an Army officer and CIA analyst for almost 30 year. He now serves on the Steering Group of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity. He is a contributor to Imperial Crusades: Iraq, Afghanistan and Yugoslavia, edited by Alexander Cockburn and Jeffrey St. Clair (Verso). He can be reached at: [email protected]

A shorter version of this article appeared at Consortiumnews.com.

This article originally appeared at Consortiumnews.com.

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Hi Fucktard. I would pin it if It hadn't already been posted 50 times. I love the jew slant at the end..looking for a ban?
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Why the ban. Care to explain? Thanks for the fucktard title, I am better educated to respond. Hahahahahahahahahaha. By the way, I am a Jew. I am against ZIONISM. So, before you respond, go read my post again. And by the way, go read the DATE June 2, 2009. It has not been posted.

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Why the ban. Care to explain? Thanks for the fucktard title, I am better educated to respond. Hahahahahahahahahaha
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Common Sense is King? Fail?

Use search and try to limit the use of conspiratoid GLP agenda bullshit.

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Hi Fucktard. I would pin it if It hadn't already been posted 50 times. I love the jew slant at the end..looking for a ban?



Why the ban. Care to explain? Thanks for the fucktard title, I am better educated to respond. Hahahahahahahahahaha


Common Sense is King? Fail?

Use search and try to limit the use of conspiratoid GLP agenda bullshit.

It's pretty boring but this is what you wanted so here we are
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Finix, this is a conspiracy forum, that's what this forum is intended for. Go see my first answer to you.

Don't let your ego get to you now that you are a mod. You are killing nobody but you aren't being fair, here.

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Hi Fucktard. I would pin it if It hadn't already been posted 50 times. I love the jew slant at the end..looking for a ban?



Why the ban. Care to explain? Thanks for the fucktard title, I am better educated to respond. Hahahahahahahahahaha


Common Sense is King? Fail?

Use search and try to limit the use of conspiratoid GLP agenda bullshit.

It's pretty boring but this is what you wanted so here we are
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Finix, this is a conspiration forum, that's what this forum is intended for. Go see my first answer to you.

Don't let your ego get to you now that you are a mod. You are killing nobody but you aren't being fair, here.
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Conspiration? I like that!..lol I need to have some fun too once in a while and I figured this thread would be game since it has been posted so many times.
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I think it's a cool article actually. So much for you bias point of view in the OP.
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I think it's a cool article actually. So much for you bias point of view in the OP.

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I am biased against ZIONISM, and I publicly declare it and accept it. Others don't accept theirs. That's the difference. It's a matter of honesty, which is rare, very rare, nowadays.
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I think it's a cool article actually. So much for you bias point of view in the OP.





I am biased against ZIONISM, and I publicly declare it and accept it. Others don't accept theirs. That's the difference. It's a matter of honesty, which is rare, very rare, nowadays.
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Yep..We know what you are biased about. You made that clear in the op. You seek negative attention you will get negative attention.
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Gotta accept it. Even though it's 12:46 of June 3, it's been posted.


I think it's a cool article actually. So much for you bias point of view in the OP.





I am biased against ZIONISM, and I publicly declare it and accept it. Others don't accept theirs. That's the difference. It's a matter of honesty, which is rare, very rare, nowadays.
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What is wrong with the right for Jewish people to have a homeland?

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So why the blow to GLP at the end of the article? Did you think that would get you a pin or just trying to stir the shit?
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I think it's a cool article actually. So much for you bias point of view in the OP.





I am biased against ZIONISM, and I publicly declare it and accept it. Others don't accept theirs. That's the difference. It's a matter of honesty, which is rare, very rare, nowadays.


Yep..We know what you are biased about. You made that clear in the op. You seek negative attention you will get negative attention.

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Negative attention for not professing Zionism? Does this forum have a policy in which visitors must like, accept, and/or profess loyalty to Zionism?
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I AM SURE THIS NEWS WILL NOT BE PINNED IF THE POLICY OF THIS FORUM IS SLANTED TOWARDS ISRAEL AND NOT AMERICA. I may be surprised, but I have my doubts...


Hi Fucktard. I would pin it if It hadn't already been posted 50 times. I love the jew slant at the end..looking for a ban?
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Gotta accept it. Even though it's 12:46 of June 3, it's been posted.


I think it's a cool article actually. So much for you bias point of view in the OP.





I am biased against ZIONISM, and I publicly declare it and accept it. Others don't accept theirs. That's the difference. It's a matter of honesty, which is rare, very rare, nowadays.


Yep..We know what you are biased about. You made that clear in the op. You seek negative attention you will get negative attention.


Negative attention for not professing Zionism? Does this forum have a policy in which visitors must like, accept, and/or profess loyalty to Zionism?
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See that's what I am talking about. There is the bullshit again. Did anyone tell you that?
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I AM SURE THIS NEWS WILL NOT BE PINNED IF THE POLICY OF THIS FORUM IS SLANTED TOWARDS ISRAEL AND NOT AMERICA. I may be surprised, but I have my doubts...


Hi Fucktard. I would pin it if It hadn't already been posted 50 times. I love the jew slant at the end..looking for a ban?
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respect
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I AM SURE THIS NEWS WILL NOT BE PINNED IF THE POLICY OF THIS FORUM IS SLANTED TOWARDS ISRAEL AND NOT AMERICA. I may be surprised, but I have my doubts...


Hi Fucktard. I would pin it if It hadn't already been posted 50 times. I love the jew slant at the end..looking for a ban?
[/quote this is not the phoenix i respest .what;s happen to you.. i miss the old phoenix hf
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I am still the same Phoenix. I just don't get the blows in the OP. It really is a line of bullshit.
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So why the blow to GLP at the end of the article? Did you think that would get you a pin or just trying to stir the shit?
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No. I just have noticed that anytime anybody posts some news which Zionists would name anti-Semitic, paid shills come to debunk, and mods side with them and ban people without an obvious reason, or start using their big ego words (bad words) trying to get an answer to have a "reason" to ban the anti-Zionist.

Why do you all Mods act like that?

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So why the blow to GLP at the end of the article? Did you think that would get you a pin or just trying to stir the shit?

No. I just have noticed that anytime anybody posts some news which Zionists would name anti-Semitic, paid shills come to debunk, and mods side with them and ban people without an obvious reason, or start using their big ego words trying to get an answer to have a "reason" to ban the anti-Zionist.

Why do you all Mods act like that?
 Quoting: Common Sense is King


It gets deleted and bans issued when it is spam. Pretty simple eh? We don't want 20 jew baiting threads on the front page. We don't want 20 racist threads either.

So where did this thread go wrong if you had to make a educated guess?
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I AM SURE THIS NEWS WILL NOT BE PINNED IF THE POLICY OF THIS FORUM IS SLANTED TOWARDS ISRAEL AND NOT AMERICA. I may be surprised, but I have my doubts...


Hi Fucktard. I would pin it if It hadn't already been posted 50 times. I love the jew slant at the end..looking for a ban?
[/quote this is not the phoenix i respest .what;s happen to you.. i miss the old phoenix hf



I am still the same Phoenix. I just don't get the blows in the OP. It really is a line of bullshit.
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he-she has the right to say how they feel .
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I AM SURE THIS NEWS WILL NOT BE PINNED IF THE POLICY OF THIS FORUM IS SLANTED TOWARDS ISRAEL AND NOT AMERICA. I may be surprised, but I have my doubts...


Hi Fucktard. I would pin it if It hadn't already been posted 50 times. I love the jew slant at the end..looking for a ban?
[/quote this is not the phoenix i respest .what;s happen to you.. i miss the old phoenix hf



I am still the same Phoenix. I just don't get the blows in the OP. It really is a line of bullshit.

he-she has the right to say how they feel .
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Sure enough and how often do we read how he or she feels? Bullshit is bullshit.

We only read these feelings on threads about Jews or Zionists
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So why the blow to GLP at the end of the article? Did you think that would get you a pin or just trying to stir the shit?

No. I just have noticed that anytime anybody posts some news which Zionists would name anti-Semitic, paid shills come to debunk, and mods side with them and ban people without an obvious reason, or start using their big ego words trying to get an answer to have a "reason" to ban the anti-Zionist.

Why do you all Mods act like that?


It gets deleted and bans issued when it is spam. Pretty simple eh? We don't want 20 jew baiting threads on the front page. We don't want 20 racist threads either.

So where did this thread go wrong if you had to make a educated guess?

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Ah, I guess you have your policies to follow. It´s a good forum, except for what I said before. The rules are not executed fairly. Good luck with your voice chat. Gotta go.
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So why the blow to GLP at the end of the article? Did you think that would get you a pin or just trying to stir the shit?

No. I just have noticed that anytime anybody posts some news which Zionists would name anti-Semitic, paid shills come to debunk, and mods side with them and ban people without an obvious reason, or start using their big ego words trying to get an answer to have a "reason" to ban the anti-Zionist.

Why do you all Mods act like that?


It gets deleted and bans issued when it is spam. Pretty simple eh? We don't want 20 jew baiting threads on the front page. We don't want 20 racist threads either.

So where did this thread go wrong if you had to make a educated guess?



Ah, I guess you have your policies to follow. It´s a good forum, except for what I said before. The rules are not executed fairly. Good luck with your voice chat. Gotta go.
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Later.
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I AM SURE THIS NEWS WILL NOT BE PINNED IF THE POLICY OF THIS FORUM IS SLANTED TOWARDS ISRAEL AND NOT AMERICA. I may be surprised, but I have my doubts...


Hi Fucktard. I would pin it if It hadn't already been posted 50 times. I love the jew slant at the end..looking for a ban?
[/quote this is not the phoenix i respest .what;s happen to you.. i miss the old phoenix hf



I am still the same Phoenix. I just don't get the blows in the OP. It really is a line of bullshit.

he-she has the right to say how they feel .


Sure enough and how often do we read how he or she feels? Bullshit is bullshit.

We only read these feelings on threads about Jews or Zionists
.i seen lots of threads about muslims .but i see no mods come in and say anything about been anti muslim.and i not muslim.
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I AM SURE THIS NEWS WILL NOT BE PINNED IF THE POLICY OF THIS FORUM IS SLANTED TOWARDS ISRAEL AND NOT AMERICA. I may be surprised, but I have my doubts...


Hi Fucktard. I would pin it if It hadn't already been posted 50 times. I love the jew slant at the end..looking for a ban?
[/quote this is not the phoenix i respest .what;s happen to you.. i miss the old phoenix hf



I am still the same Phoenix. I just don't get the blows in the OP. It really is a line of bullshit.

he-she has the right to say how they feel .


Sure enough and how often do we read how he or she feels? Bullshit is bullshit.

We only read these feelings on threads about Jews or Zionists
.i seen lots of threads about muslims .but i see no mods come in and say anything about been anti muslim.and i not muslim.

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Ahhhh now the truth is revealed! This is a muslim tragedy.
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I am biased against ZIONISM,
and I publicly declare it and accept it. Others don't accept theirs. That's the difference. It's a matter of honesty, which is rare, very rare, nowadays.
 Quoting: Common Sense is King



So you are a rascist, If you really are a jew your a self hating idiot

You dont think "your people" should have a homeland like every other people

where would you rather have the jews , maybe in death camps

"]Netanyahu needs to be confronted without delay"

or what you think 6 more million jews should suck Iranian radiation and thousands of more hamas rockets


The UN - Nations gave Isreal to the Jews-Zionist its Legal they were attacked by all the Arabs from day one

Whats your solution

6 more million jews should suck Iranian radiation and thousands of more hamas rockets

If you are a Jew you are a traitor to your people


or a incarnation of the "mixed multitude" that always want to return to Egypt
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Muslims/Islam is a religion of peace right? I don't understand how this had to do with the OP but I see the problem all of the sudden.





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