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refugee13 User ID: 655317 ![]() 06/04/2009 06:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Eternal damnation in The Lake of Fire... "Livin' The Dream..." "Don't believe in anyone, 'cos they'll feel you so much more" "So break me down if it makes you feel right~and hate me now if it keeps you alright~you can't break me down if it takes all your might~cause I'm so much more than meets the eye..." "Some people would bitch if their ice cream was cold..." |
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MercurialStorm (OP) User ID: 695114 ![]() 06/04/2009 06:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | aside from having to relearn the karmic lesson over again in another lifetime, not a whole lot in the grand scheme of things. We are all innocent, and all will ultimately reach the same destination, just at different "speeds" Quoting: Anonymous Coward 688396What Karmic lesson? If you kill yourself it could be argued that nobody was harmed by your actions |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 688396 ![]() 06/04/2009 06:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | aside from having to relearn the karmic lesson over again in another lifetime, not a whole lot in the grand scheme of things. We are all innocent, and all will ultimately reach the same destination, just at different "speeds" Quoting: MercurialStormWhat Karmic lesson? If you kill yourself it could be argued that nobody was harmed by your actions true, but the person didn't live their life to it's natural conclusion, so there might be lessons they were going to learn that they didn't, so they will have to reincarnate and redo it basically. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 695118 ![]() 06/04/2009 06:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | well i see it like this. If you have a terminal disease say, like dementia, and you shuffle off and take some pills to stop your family from suffering because they will spend the next 10-20 years wiping your arse and mopping up your dribble, i would say its a self sacrifice so others will have a better life. In that case, up you go. If its because your ill mentally, then its not your fault its a chemical imbalance, and thus, out of your hands. In that case, up you go. If you do it to be a bastard to some one and make them feel bad? your damned, and you'll come back as a female muslim in Afghanistan with a camel raping stick wielding women hating husband and father. |
MercurialStorm (OP) User ID: 695114 ![]() 06/04/2009 06:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | aside from having to relearn the karmic lesson over again in another lifetime, not a whole lot in the grand scheme of things. We are all innocent, and all will ultimately reach the same destination, just at different "speeds" Quoting: Anonymous Coward 688396What Karmic lesson? If you kill yourself it could be argued that nobody was harmed by your actions true, but the person didn't live their life to it's natural conclusion, so there might be lessons they were going to learn that they didn't, so they will have to reincarnate and redo it basically. Oh. I get it, thank you very much for the input. It's like, they have to go through what they have to go through or do it over |
refugee13 User ID: 655317 ![]() 06/04/2009 06:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Eternal damnation in The Lake of Fire... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 684130Fear is your worst enemy. I dont think anyone deserve eternal damnation, it just dont make sense. Religions use fear to control human beings and it works very well. If you don't believe anyone deserves eternal damnation, you must not know my ex-husband... ![]() "Livin' The Dream..." "Don't believe in anyone, 'cos they'll feel you so much more" "So break me down if it makes you feel right~and hate me now if it keeps you alright~you can't break me down if it takes all your might~cause I'm so much more than meets the eye..." "Some people would bitch if their ice cream was cold..." |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 689786 ![]() 06/04/2009 06:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | a scuicide is a very big mistake... you get sent back to earth... iwthout choosing your reincarantion... which means that you will end up heavily disabled in some way... in your human condition... you may have to live the years that your forfeited.. in a whellchair.. or worse... cosmic law can not be violated without consequences... |
Admonitions User ID: 667164 ![]() 06/04/2009 06:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | a scuicide is a very big mistake... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 689786you get sent back to earth... iwthout choosing your reincarantion... which means that you will end up heavily disabled in some way... in your human condition... you may have to live the years that your forfeited.. in a whellchair.. or worse... cosmic law can not be violated without consequences... What a crock. ![]() Never mind. |
Cynical Realist![]() Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 693237 ![]() 06/04/2009 06:52 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As they are indoctrinated....... In heaven with 77 virgins ...no less!! IF YOU HAVE A FEVER DO NOT LOWER IT WITH MEDS.... A FEVER IS AN IMMUNE SYSTEM RESPONSE TO A PATHOGEN (VIRUS, BACTERIA ETC..) IT MEANS YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM IS WORKING PROPERLY....DONT USE DRUGS TO LOWER YOUR TEMP. |
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gooderboy User ID: 616933 ![]() 06/04/2009 06:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | aside from having to relearn the karmic lesson over again in another lifetime, not a whole lot in the grand scheme of things. We are all innocent, and all will ultimately reach the same destination, just at different "speeds" Quoting: MercurialStormWhat Karmic lesson? If you kill yourself it could be argued that nobody was harmed by your actions true, but the person didn't live their life to it's natural conclusion, so there might be lessons they were going to learn that they didn't, so they will have to reincarnate and redo it basically. Oh. I get it, thank you very much for the input. It's like, they have to go through what they have to go through or do it over ... well, I'd say yes, and then again maybe no as well.... and just depending on what 'they'/we may choose for to go through. |
Pheenix11 User ID: 664519 ![]() 06/04/2009 06:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | a scuicide is a very big mistake... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 689786you get sent back to earth... iwthout choosing your reincarantion... which means that you will end up heavily disabled in some way... in your human condition... you may have to live the years that your forfeited.. in a whellchair.. or worse... cosmic law can not be violated without consequences... Be kinda ironic if this were true and then you were aborted. |
CRYSTAL in MATRIX User ID: 501458 ![]() 06/04/2009 07:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What Karmic lesson? If you kill yourself it could be argued that nobody was harmed by your actions Quoting: Anonymous Coward 695124You're an idiot Bullshit....my sister took her life at age 28...and oh, yeah, my entire family was harmed.... At first I blamed God, for giving her more than she could bear.....then I saw that she was a coward.... I no longer believe in religion, perhaps as an indirect result....but if we return until our lessons are learned, I think that is justified and fair..... "No guts, no glory!" |
Cynical Realist![]() Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 693237 ![]() 06/04/2009 07:10 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What Karmic lesson? If you kill yourself it could be argued that nobody was harmed by your actions Quoting: CRYSTAL in MATRIXYou're an idiot Bullshit....my sister took her life at age 28...and oh, yeah, my entire family was harmed.... At first I blamed God, for giving her more than she could bear.....then I saw that she was a coward.... I no longer believe in religion, perhaps as an indirect result....but if we return until our lessons are learned, I think that is justified and fair..... Sorry to hear that....... I know things like that do change people forever!!!... I hope things are a bit easier for you and your family now.. ![]() IF YOU HAVE A FEVER DO NOT LOWER IT WITH MEDS.... A FEVER IS AN IMMUNE SYSTEM RESPONSE TO A PATHOGEN (VIRUS, BACTERIA ETC..) IT MEANS YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM IS WORKING PROPERLY....DONT USE DRUGS TO LOWER YOUR TEMP. |
CRYSTAL in MATRIX User ID: 501458 ![]() 06/04/2009 07:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What Karmic lesson? If you kill yourself it could be argued that nobody was harmed by your actions Quoting: Cynical RealistYou're an idiot Bullshit....my sister took her life at age 28...and oh, yeah, my entire family was harmed.... At first I blamed God, for giving her more than she could bear.....then I saw that she was a coward.... I no longer believe in religion, perhaps as an indirect result....but if we return until our lessons are learned, I think that is justified and fair..... Sorry to hear that....... I know things like that do change people forever!!!... I hope things are a bit easier for you and your family now.. ![]() Thanks CR! Yes, that was 20 years ago this Father's Day, though I still miss her. She was my best friend, too. "No guts, no glory!" |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 695064 ![]() 06/04/2009 07:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | With the Carradine thing today and reports of a possible hanging death, where do you think the souls go? Quoting: MercurialStormHell? A Time Out Place? Reincarnation? Heaven? Vegas? What do you think the consequences are for killing yourself? I believe the soul has to be reborn into the same life they killed themselves out of. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 686422 ![]() 06/04/2009 07:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What Karmic lesson? If you kill yourself it could be argued that nobody was harmed by your actions Quoting: CRYSTAL in MATRIXYou're an idiot Bullshit....my sister took her life at age 28...and oh, yeah, my entire family was harmed.... At first I blamed God, for giving her more than she could bear.....then I saw that she was a coward.... I no longer believe in religion, perhaps as an indirect result....but if we return until our lessons are learned, I think that is justified and fair..... We have free will. Which means we are free to choose our death. Sorry about your loss. ![]() |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 627590 ![]() 06/04/2009 07:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well I would imagine that there are probably degrees such as a reason why you committed suicide. For instance, you are on your death bead and put on a venilator and you pull your own plug, you die. Then what? I am sure there is a forgiveness for something like that. Now, for those that just decided to committ suicide because they were being picked on in schoool for being gay that would be totally different. They could have faced the fact and then lived a life, but they crapped out. Someone that could not pay their bills, kills the family then the self, would fall into a different category. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 646448 ![]() 06/04/2009 07:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is what happened to a suicide in the book Wanderer in the Spirit Lands [link to sacred-texts.com] He threatened, he implored, he vowed he would shoot himself if she proved false to him, and finally after a violent scene they parted and Benedetto went home. When he called next day he was told by the servant that the Marchesa declined to see him again. The insolence of a message thus given him, the heartlessness of the Marchesa, the bitter shame of being a second time trifled with and flung aside like an old glove, were too much for his passionate fiery nature, and he went back to his studio and blew out his brains When his spirit awoke to consciousness it was to all the horrors of finding himself a prisoner in his coffin in the grave. He had destroyed his material body but he could not free his spirit from it, till the decaying of that body should liberate the soul. Those loathsome particles of that corrupting body still clothed the spirit, the link between them was not severed. Oh, the horror of such a fate! can anyone hear of it and not shudder to think what the bitter weariness and discontent of life, and a reckless desire to be free of it at any cost, may plunge the soul into. If those on earth would be truly merciful to the suicide they would cremate his body, not bury it, that the soul may, by the speedy dispersal of the particles, be the sooner freed from such a prison. The soul of a suicide is not ready to leave the body, it is like an unripe fruit and does not fall readily from the material tree which is nourishing it. A great shock has cast it forth, but it still remains attached, till the sustaining link shall wither away. "From time to time Benedetto would lapse into unconsciousness and lose for a little the sense of his terrible position, and from these states of merciful oblivion he would awaken to find that little by little the earthly body was losing its hold upon the spirit and crumbling into dust, but while it did so he had to suffer in all his nerves the pangs of this gradual dissolution. The sudden destruction of the earthly body, while it would have given his spirit a more violent, more painful shock, would at least have spared him the slow torture of this lingering decay. At last the material body ceased to hold the spirit, and he rose from the grave but still hung over it, tied, though he was no longer imprisoned; then the last link snapped and he was free to wander forth into the earth plane. And first his powers of hearing and seeing and feeling were most feebly developed, then gradually they unfolded and he became conscious of his surroundings. With these powers came again the passions and desires of his earthly life and also the knowledge of how he could yet gratify them. And again as in his earthly life he sought oblivion for his sorrow and bitterness in the pleasures of the senses. But he sought in vain. Memory was ever present with him torturing him with the past. In his soul there was a wild hunger, a fierce thirst for revenge, for power to make her suffer as he had done, and the very intensity of his thoughts at last carried him to where she was. He found her as of old, surrounded by her little court of gay admirers. A little older but still the same, still as heartless, still untroubled by his fate and indifferent to it. And it maddened him to think of the sufferings he had brought upon himself for the love of this woman. At last all thoughts became merged in the one thought of how he could find means to drag her down from her positon, how strip her of all those things which she prized more than love or honor or even the lives of those who might be called her victims. |