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ALL MARKETS SUGGEST HYPERINFLATION

 
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All Markets Suggesting Hyperinflation

-- Posted Thursday, 4 June 2009 | Digg This Article | Share this article| Source: GoldSeek.com

By Andy Hoffman

After watching the financial markets the past few weeks, it appears my greatest fear (and expectation), that of unchecked advancement of U.S. inflation, is coming to be – NOW. Perhaps using the taboo word “hyperinflation” doesn’t serve my purpose well, much as it hurt Cassandra to speak of “Armageddon.” But “unchecked advancement of inflation” and hyperinflation are one and the same, no matter what you call it.

I have been speaking of the increasing likelihood of this event occurring for the past year, but now I fear the time for analyzing is about to end, and the time to act NOW.

The majority of people do not even understand the definition of inflation, let alone the events that typically cause it and how to protect oneself against it. Inflation, pure and simple, means accelerating growth of the money supply, NOT price increases. The two are obviously interrelated, but the key item to watch is money supply, as all inflationary pressures stem from it (outside of product shortage issues, which unfortunately appear to be the case in nearly all commodities as well).

The U.S. money supply has grown exponentially in the past 30 years (since the day it went off the gold standard in 1971), but nothing in the 1971-2007 period compares with what we’ve seen in the past year since the “economic crisis” began. Of course, the U.S. government discontinued the publication of M3, the broadest measure of U.S. money supply, three years ago claiming to save the U.S. taxpayer $1.5 million of administrative costs (LOL). But smarter minds than the governments have extrapolated it out, so the exponential increase is pretty easy to see.

Of course, the aforementioned “economic crisis” started as early as 2000-02 when the real economy peaked, the China manufacturing engine exploded (taking all the U.S. manufacturing jobs), and the Fed’s loose monetary policy (as well as the government’s loose fiscal policy) went into overdrive. These issues were of course masked by the resulting credit/housing bubble, both in the U.S. and by the trickle-down effect of an artificially propped dollar abroad, but not anymore.

Today, the U.S. economy is experiencing a 1930s-style depression which has only just started, and you can believe all you want about “green shoots” of recovery, but trust me there are none. It is all propaganda from the government and banks to try and restore confidence via “behavioral economics”, in other words trying to influence consumers and businesses’ decisions via improving their confidence. Of course, the fact that economic numbers have all been proven to be fudged (sorry, massaged) for years now doesn’t seem to register in the average person’s mind, but the “average person” hasn’t paid much attention to reality, or even attempted to, for close to a generation now. Does Cheney’s admission yesterday that Saddam Hussein had no connection to 9/11 make this point well enough? Either way, “confidence or not”, if you don’t have money you can’t spend any money.

Anyhow, back to inflation. The biggest myth about inflation (and by extension, hyperinflation) is that it is an “economic event” caused by strong demand, and thus a bullish sign (LOL). Yes, in selected cases so-called “demand-pull” inflation occurs, but typically it is isolated to niche markets where supply is in temporary shortage. By the way, not only are gold and silver rising due to monetary inflation, but they both ALSO suffer from such shortages!

For the most part, hyperinflation is a “currency event” caused by the unchecked production of fiat (unbacked) currency by governments hell-bent on restoring the status quo following difficult economic times by printing money and placing it in the hands of its citizens. Of course, in the U.S. the citizens are currently getting none of this money, only the banks that destroyed the economy via imprudent business decisions (such as subprime lending and OTC derivative creation) thanks to their enormous lobbying expenditures. But, in our defense, we do get the bill for paying off the banks!

Hyperinflation has NEVER, EVER, EVER occurred during good economic times, and NEVER, EVER, EVER will. This is because even fiat-currency using governments can raise interest rates to protect the currency when times are good, mitigating inflation while not destroying the economy. But not now. The U.S. is the world’s largest debtor BY FAR, in fact the largest debtor BY FAR in the history of mankind, with the amount of its debt rising exponentially each hour, each minute, each second. Only because the U.S. dollar has been so widely held by foreigners (the result of the most bastardized global monetary policy ever, the U.S. dollar as WORLD RESERVE CURRENCY), has it not crashed to nothing yet.

But it is starting now, as the dollar’s initial knee-jerk reaction upward last year as billions of dollars were repatriated during the height of the first stage of market meltdown has passed, and now the effects of U.S. “quantitative easing” (read money-printing) are showing themselves in a plummeting dollar and Treasury bond, as well as soaring gold (and other commodities) again. The level of fiscal and monetary stimulus continues to rise exponentially, and it simply WILL NOT STOP despite the fact that governments, central banks, and investors alike are starting to race for the exits and protect their respective net worths by selling dollar-denominated instruments and buying commodities, particularly gold and silver.

In fact, even the stock market has started to rise smartly (not that many people own stocks anymore due to the 2000-02 stock market crash and 2007-2009 housing crash), but this itself appears to be signaling hyperinflation more than anything real such as “green shoots” of economic recovery.

You see, even stock markets can go higher during hyperinflationary periods, as too much money chases too few real items. And in most cases, stocks represent claims on real items. The problem, however, arises when people realize that even hyperinflated stocks have not in the past, and will not in the future, achieve real gains relative to inflation, as in effect they are still paper instruments. This is particularly the case with U.S. stocks, as international investors will likely be turned off by the fact that gains in the U.S. stock markets will likely be offset by losses in the dollar’s value.

To prove this point, read the link below describing the action of the German stock market in the 1920s, just before Hitler rose to power after the German post-World War I economic collapse. The stock market rose from 126 in 1918 to 26 million in 1923, however the cost of a car rose to the equivalent of US$3 million as well (in 1920 dollars), meaning any stock market gains were wiped out by real losses in value.

[link to www.nowandfutures.com]

This is verified by the top chart in the second link below, showing that the cost of living in Germany rose by 100 million times in those five years. Multiple today’s average car price of $15,000 by 100 million, and do the math to see what a car would cost today in that environment. And don’t think this happened only in Germany – it has happened countless times throughout history, including twice in the U.S.’s history (the Revolutionary and Civil War periods) and several times in the 20th century (Mexico, Argentina, Zimbabwe, to name a few).

And that’s the gist of it! PURCHASING POWER is all that matters, and the loss of PURCHASING POWER is what I have long been warning you to PROTECT YOURSELF from.

[link to www.nowandfutures.com]

And, oh yeah, check out the the prices of gold and silver in German Reichsmarks during this period, seen in the third chart down in the link below. Silver rose from 10 marks/oz in 1919 to 1 trillion marks/oz in 1923, while during that same period gold rose from 100 marks/oz 100 trillion marks in 1923! In other words, both outperformed rises in the cost of living, and thus were the only real way to protect Germans from the loss of 99.9% of the Reichsmarks’ purchasing power over this period. So I wouldn’t get to excited about the prospect of $1,000 gold, or even $2,000. There is a real possibility that these kind of numbers will once again come into play.

[link to www.nowandfutures.com]

And for those that still want to focus on the rising Dow as a signal of something good going on (which, by the way is only rising because, as always, bankrupted companies such as GM, AIG, and Citigroup are removed from it), keep in mind that those gains have been equally offset by declines in the dollar and Treasury Bonds since the rally commenced this spring. Commodities have been the largest beneficiary of the “green shoots” rally, particularly, no surprise, gold and silver DESPITE the largest “commercial” shorting increase ever in the COMEX gold and silver paper pits (draw your own conclusions).

So when you still have trouble paying the bills, and the unemployment lines continue to grow, yet interest rates and the price of gasoline continue to rise (as well as gold/silver), think long and hard about what is going on around you and then act to PROTECT YOURSELF with the purchase of real items of value, particularly gold/silver, food, and living necessities.

Andy

[link to news.goldseek.com]

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This is it folks. Won't be long now. I stocked up on enough heirloom seeds to start a small farm and have enough supplies to last about a year. Don't wait too long, Obammerz and crew's spending spree will send the dollar to it's death very soon.
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$1,000,000,000 for a loaf of ObamaBread® bump.
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$1,000,000,000 for a loaf of ObamaBread® bump.
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Wiemar times 50,000,000,000,000,000
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been waitin and i still dont see hype-r inflation...cant wait
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What happens to my stock when the dollar goes to zero or near zero?

Who owns my house when it goes to zero or they introduce a new currency.

Does everything just stay the same but they re-evaluate what the new monetary system based upon the old one?

If you think about it - Its pretty scary to think of the possibilities. Kinda like Y2K all over again.
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none of you hopeless retards have any idea how and why hyperinflation happens.
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All Markets Suggesting Hyperinflation

-- Posted Thursday, 4 June 2009 | Digg This Article | Share this article| Source: GoldSeek.com

By Andy Hoffman

After watching the financial markets the past few weeks, it appears my greatest fear (and expectation), that of unchecked advancement of U.S. inflation, is coming to be – NOW. Perhaps using the taboo word “hyperinflation” doesn’t serve my purpose well, much as it hurt Cassandra to speak of “Armageddon.” But “unchecked advancement of inflation” and hyperinflation are one and the same, no matter what you call it.

I have been speaking of the increasing likelihood of this event occurring for the past year, but now I fear the time for analyzing is about to end, and the time to act NOW.

The majority of people do not even understand the definition of inflation, let alone the events that typically cause it and how to protect oneself against it. Inflation, pure and simple, means accelerating growth of the money supply, NOT price increases. The two are obviously interrelated, but the key item to watch is money supply, as all inflationary pressures stem from it (outside of product shortage issues, which unfortunately appear to be the case in nearly all commodities as well).

The U.S. money supply has grown exponentially in the past 30 years (since the day it went off the gold standard in 1971), but nothing in the 1971-2007 period compares with what we’ve seen in the past year since the “economic crisis” began. Of course, the U.S. government discontinued the publication of M3, the broadest measure of U.S. money supply, three years ago claiming to save the U.S. taxpayer $1.5 million of administrative costs (LOL). But smarter minds than the governments have extrapolated it out, so the exponential increase is pretty easy to see.

Of course, the aforementioned “economic crisis” started as early as 2000-02 when the real economy peaked, the China manufacturing engine exploded (taking all the U.S. manufacturing jobs), and the Fed’s loose monetary policy (as well as the government’s loose fiscal policy) went into overdrive. These issues were of course masked by the resulting credit/housing bubble, both in the U.S. and by the trickle-down effect of an artificially propped dollar abroad, but not anymore.

Today, the U.S. economy is experiencing a 1930s-style depression which has only just started, and you can believe all you want about “green shoots” of recovery, but trust me there are none. It is all propaganda from the government and banks to try and restore confidence via “behavioral economics”, in other words trying to influence consumers and businesses’ decisions via improving their confidence. Of course, the fact that economic numbers have all been proven to be fudged (sorry, massaged) for years now doesn’t seem to register in the average person’s mind, but the “average person” hasn’t paid much attention to reality, or even attempted to, for close to a generation now. Does Cheney’s admission yesterday that Saddam Hussein had no connection to 9/11 make this point well enough? Either way, “confidence or not”, if you don’t have money you can’t spend any money.

Anyhow, back to inflation. The biggest myth about inflation (and by extension, hyperinflation) is that it is an “economic event” caused by strong demand, and thus a bullish sign (LOL). Yes, in selected cases so-called “demand-pull” inflation occurs, but typically it is isolated to niche markets where supply is in temporary shortage. By the way, not only are gold and silver rising due to monetary inflation, but they both ALSO suffer from such shortages!

For the most part, hyperinflation is a “currency event” caused by the unchecked production of fiat (unbacked) currency by governments hell-bent on restoring the status quo following difficult economic times by printing money and placing it in the hands of its citizens. Of course, in the U.S. the citizens are currently getting none of this money, only the banks that destroyed the economy via imprudent business decisions (such as subprime lending and OTC derivative creation) thanks to their enormous lobbying expenditures. But, in our defense, we do get the bill for paying off the banks!

Hyperinflation has NEVER, EVER, EVER occurred during good economic times, and NEVER, EVER, EVER will. This is because even fiat-currency using governments can raise interest rates to protect the currency when times are good, mitigating inflation while not destroying the economy. But not now. The U.S. is the world’s largest debtor BY FAR, in fact the largest debtor BY FAR in the history of mankind, with the amount of its debt rising exponentially each hour, each minute, each second. Only because the U.S. dollar has been so widely held by foreigners (the result of the most bastardized global monetary policy ever, the U.S. dollar as WORLD RESERVE CURRENCY), has it not crashed to nothing yet.

But it is starting now, as the dollar’s initial knee-jerk reaction upward last year as billions of dollars were repatriated during the height of the first stage of market meltdown has passed, and now the effects of U.S. “quantitative easing” (read money-printing) are showing themselves in a plummeting dollar and Treasury bond, as well as soaring gold (and other commodities) again. The level of fiscal and monetary stimulus continues to rise exponentially, and it simply WILL NOT STOP despite the fact that governments, central banks, and investors alike are starting to race for the exits and protect their respective net worths by selling dollar-denominated instruments and buying commodities, particularly gold and silver.

In fact, even the stock market has started to rise smartly (not that many people own stocks anymore due to the 2000-02 stock market crash and 2007-2009 housing crash), but this itself appears to be signaling hyperinflation more than anything real such as “green shoots” of economic recovery.

You see, even stock markets can go higher during hyperinflationary periods, as too much money chases too few real items. And in most cases, stocks represent claims on real items. The problem, however, arises when people realize that even hyperinflated stocks have not in the past, and will not in the future, achieve real gains relative to inflation, as in effect they are still paper instruments. This is particularly the case with U.S. stocks, as international investors will likely be turned off by the fact that gains in the U.S. stock markets will likely be offset by losses in the dollar’s value.

To prove this point, read the link below describing the action of the German stock market in the 1920s, just before Hitler rose to power after the German post-World War I economic collapse. The stock market rose from 126 in 1918 to 26 million in 1923, however the cost of a car rose to the equivalent of US$3 million as well (in 1920 dollars), meaning any stock market gains were wiped out by real losses in value.

[link to www.nowandfutures.com]

This is verified by the top chart in the second link below, showing that the cost of living in Germany rose by 100 million times in those five years. Multiple today’s average car price of $15,000 by 100 million, and do the math to see what a car would cost today in that environment. And don’t think this happened only in Germany – it has happened countless times throughout history, including twice in the U.S.’s history (the Revolutionary and Civil War periods) and several times in the 20th century (Mexico, Argentina, Zimbabwe, to name a few).

And that’s the gist of it! PURCHASING POWER is all that matters, and the loss of PURCHASING POWER is what I have long been warning you to PROTECT YOURSELF from.

[link to www.nowandfutures.com]

And, oh yeah, check out the the prices of gold and silver in German Reichsmarks during this period, seen in the third chart down in the link below. Silver rose from 10 marks/oz in 1919 to 1 trillion marks/oz in 1923, while during that same period gold rose from 100 marks/oz 100 trillion marks in 1923! In other words, both outperformed rises in the cost of living, and thus were the only real way to protect Germans from the loss of 99.9% of the Reichsmarks’ purchasing power over this period. So I wouldn’t get to excited about the prospect of $1,000 gold, or even $2,000. There is a real possibility that these kind of numbers will once again come into play.

[link to www.nowandfutures.com]

And for those that still want to focus on the rising Dow as a signal of something good going on (which, by the way is only rising because, as always, bankrupted companies such as GM, AIG, and Citigroup are removed from it), keep in mind that those gains have been equally offset by declines in the dollar and Treasury Bonds since the rally commenced this spring. Commodities have been the largest beneficiary of the “green shoots” rally, particularly, no surprise, gold and silver DESPITE the largest “commercial” shorting increase ever in the COMEX gold and silver paper pits (draw your own conclusions).

So when you still have trouble paying the bills, and the unemployment lines continue to grow, yet interest rates and the price of gasoline continue to rise (as well as gold/silver), think long and hard about what is going on around you and then act to PROTECT YOURSELF with the purchase of real items of value, particularly gold/silver, food, and living necessities.

Andy

[link to news.goldseek.com]

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Look for something similar to occur as to that of Russia when they free floated their currency on the international market. It is likely that the sell-off was exagerated by short-selling attacks from some very powerful people. Computerized 24 hour trading also makes this very easy to do. When the Chinese and others stop buying our Treasury Securites, look for an immediate collapse of the dollar. What this would translate to is as what happened in Russia. You go to bed one night and the price of bread is 3 dollars. You wake up the next day to hear the news about your currency. You go to the bank and it is closed until further notice. You try using the ATM and it is closed until further notice. You might have a few hundred dollars laying around at home but the new price of bread is 30 dollars. The governement then issues a new currency. There is no longer a treasury securities market. With the new currency you will then have Weimer Germany style hyperinflation like any other banana republic, depending on how fast the printing presses are operating. Prophecy includes that one day it will cost a day's wages to purchase a loaf of bread. Bankers and the elite can attack any country they choose in this manner. They can manipulate things by controlling the money.....providing easy money when it suits their plans, restricting things, etc. They make money on debt, including the national debt. They own and control the Federal Reserve. They make money off generating chaos, loaning funds for wars, etc. Going off the gold standard made it possible to more freely manipulate the currency.
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Look for something similar to occur as to that of Russia when they free floated their currency on the international market. It is likely that the sell-off was exagerated by short-selling attacks from some very powerful people. Computerized 24 hour trading also makes this very easy to do. When the Chinese and others stop buying our Treasury Securites, look for an immediate collapse of the dollar. What this would translate to is as what happened in Russia. You go to bed one night and the price of bread is 3 dollars. You wake up the next day to hear the news about your currency. You go to the bank and it is closed until further notice. You try using the ATM and it is closed until further notice. You might have a few hundred dollars laying around at home but the new price of bread is 30 dollars. The governement then issues a new currency. There is no longer a treasury securities market. With the new currency you will then have Weimer Germany style hyperinflation like any other banana republic, depending on how fast the printing presses are operating. Prophecy includes that one day it will cost a day's wages to purchase a loaf of bread. Bankers and the elite can attack any country they choose in this manner. They can manipulate things by controlling the money.....providing easy money when it suits their plans, restricting things, etc. They make money on debt, including the national debt. They own and control the Federal Reserve. They make money off generating chaos, loaning funds for wars, etc. Going off the gold standard made it possible to more freely manipulate the currency.
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Thank you for your comment.

What happens to my stock when the dollar goes to zero or near zero?

Who owns my house when it goes to zero or they introduce a new currency.

Does everything just stay the same but they re-evaluate what the new monetary system based upon the old one?

If you think about it - Its pretty scary to think of the possibilities. Kinda like Y2K all over again.
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If there were the SLIGHTEST hint of such, EVERYONE would know it without ANY guesswork of any kind.


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If there were the SLIGHTEST hint of such, EVERYONE would know it without ANY guesswork of any kind.


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You don't think that there is a slight hint??? I hope you are joking. Even Bernanke himself admitted the possibility of runaway inflation, saying that it's all about pulling back the trillions of liquidity "at the right time". Right now it is not in circulation, it's just sitting in bank coffers.
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What happens to my stock when the dollar goes to zero or near zero?

Who owns my house when it goes to zero or they introduce a new currency.

Does everything just stay the same but they re-evaluate what the new monetary system based upon the old one?

If you think about it - Its pretty scary to think of the possibilities. Kinda like Y2K all over again.
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Your stock is worthless now. "Dollar" is a term, a unit of measure. The only thing it measures now is debt.

My guess is barter will reign for some time after a really rough period of those without taking from those with.

Y2K would have been a walk in the park compared to this. Money is the lifeblood of any civilization. Money collapses so does civilization.

Took the Weimar Republic two years to collapse. They had to actually print their money. Presently, 99.9% of ALL money is data, zeros and ones scattered about computers all over the world.

Via keystroke, they can create all the digital money they want.

This collapse will happen as fast as data travels, near the speed of light.

Best analogy is the story of Easter Island, as depicted in a movie entitled Rapa Nui.

When there was nothing left to eat, they ate each other.

Keep your longpig sticker handy.
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If there were the SLIGHTEST hint of such, EVERYONE would know it without ANY guesswork of any kind.


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It's not all markets, but some commodities and currencies are really showing strong signs that some sort of inflation event if on the horizon. Silver could go to $50.00 or more.
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This will not effect such countries as Iran, syria, Lebenon and a few others who are not linked to international banking. These same countries are also the ones who are fast gaining power and chalenging Israel/USA/UK.
We will have a economic war in our hands which the peole of said countries will emerge unscaved.
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Your stock is worthless now. "Dollar" is a term, a unit of measure. The only thing it measures now is debt.

My guess is barter will reign for some time after a really rough period of those without taking from those with.

Y2K would have been a walk in the park compared to this. Money is the lifeblood of any civilization. Money collapses so does civilization.

Took the Weimar Republic two years to collapse. They had to actually print their money. Presently, 99.9% of ALL money is data, zeros and ones scattered about computers all over the world.

Via keystroke, they can create all the digital money they want.

This collapse will happen as fast as data travels, near the speed of light.

Best analogy is the story of Easter Island, as depicted in a movie entitled Rapa Nui.

When there was nothing left to eat, they ate each other.

Keep your longpig sticker handy.
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Thank you for your comment.

Are you saying that the US or the entire world will experience hyper-inflation/financial collapse? It sounds like in this scenario total chaos ensues. So it might not really matter who holds my mortgage?

I'm really interested in finding out what the timeline of events would be or what will happen to our personal property, ie. house, stocks, bonds, when the dollar approches zero and a new currency is introduced.

thanks
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This will not effect such countries as Iran, syria, Lebenon and a few others who are not linked to international banking. These same countries are also the ones who are fast gaining power and chalenging Israel/USA/UK.
We will have a economic war in our hands which the peole of said countries will emerge unscaved.
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Sorry but this sounds insane.
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Serious question and probably very elementary....

Will interest rates go up?
I am referring to the interest paid on bank CD's?
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Thank you for your comment.

Are you saying that the US or the entire world will experience hyper-inflation/financial collapse? It sounds like in this scenario total chaos ensues. So it might not really matter who holds my mortgage?

I'm really interested in finding out what the timeline of events would be or what will happen to our personal property, ie. house, stocks, bonds, when the dollar approches zero and a new currency is introduced.

thanks
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You're welcome.

The entire world is using the same kind of system, ie; monetized debt created as data.

It will come down to what you have versus what you don't have.

Timeline? I gave up trying to guess that one. Once you get a true grapse of what's going on, it boggles the mind that this lunacy could "work" at all.

The following, for me, was like a cold bucket of ice water down my back.

Quote by:

Robert Hemphill
Credit Manager of Federal Reserve Bank, Atlanta, Ga.
In the foreword to a book by Irving Fisher, entitled 100% Money (1935)

"If all the bank loans were paid, no one could have a bank deposit, and there would not be a dollar of coin or currency in circulation. This is a staggering thought. We are completely dependent on the commercial Banks. Someone has to borrow every dollar we have in circulation, cash or credit. If the Banks create ample synthetic money we are prosperous; if not, we starve. We are absolutely without a
permanent money system. When one gets a complete grasp of the picture, the tragic absurdity of our hopeless position is almost incredible, but there it is. It is the most important subject intelligent persons can investigate and reflect upon. It is so important that our present civilization may collapse unless it becomes widely understood and the defects remedied very soon."

(Apologies if the text formatting is a little off)

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none of you hopeless retards have any idea how and why hyperinflation happens.
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Please tell us what you know, you seem to be one of the smartest people on here because you've told us so.
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If you really want to understand, and can digest some very deep complicated material, read this:

[link to home.earthlink.net]

It's honestly not that complicated, once you "grasp" it.

The author of the above link was Merrill M. E. Jenkins Sr., M.R. He was an inventor. His inventions? Devices to detect counterfeit coinage and currency in vending machines.

When our money was adulterated after JFK's death, he realized the government was producing the very thing he'd spent his life trying to detect.

He spent the rest of his life trying to educate the American public.
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What happens to my stock when the dollar goes to zero or near zero?

Who owns my house when it goes to zero or they introduce a new currency.

Does everything just stay the same but they re-evaluate what the new monetary system based upon the old one?

If you think about it - Its pretty scary to think of the possibilities. Kinda like Y2K all over again.


Your stock is worthless now. "Dollar" is a term, a unit of measure. The only thing it measures now is debt.

My guess is barter will reign for some time after a really rough period of those without taking from those with.

Y2K would have been a walk in the park compared to this. Money is the lifeblood of any civilization. Money collapses so does civilization.

Took the Weimar Republic two years to collapse. They had to actually print their money. Presently, 99.9% of ALL money is data, zeros and ones scattered about computers all over the world.

Via keystroke, they can create all the digital money they want.

This collapse will happen as fast as data travels, near the speed of light.

Best analogy is the story of Easter Island, as depicted in a movie entitled Rapa Nui.

When there was nothing left to eat, they ate each other.

Keep your longpig sticker handy.
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so when do you see this collapse happening?
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06/07/2009 01:12 PM
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I ordered chinese last night and they up'd the prices by 50% on everything!
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so when do you see this collapse happening?
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It's happening now. When will a pressure cooker that can hold 300 psi blow? At 301? 303? 310? 410? Impossible to say. But keep raising the temperature (creating ever increasing amounts of digital debt) and it will blow.

Not everywhere in the world is going to unravel simultaneously. If you just watched your pension plan lose 2/3's of it's value, then for you it's happened. If you've been foreclosed on then it's happened. See what I mean?

I think what you're asking is when will it be obvious that the system cannot be saved. For me, that was 30 years ago.

When will your neighbor try to eat you? I can't say.
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06/07/2009 01:18 PM
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It's happening now. When will a pressure cooker that can hold 300 psi blow? At 301? 303? 310? 410? Impossible to say. But keep raising the temperature (creating ever increasing amounts of digital debt) and it will blow.

Not everywhere in the world is going to unravel simultaneously. If you just watched your pension plan lose 2/3's of it's value, then for you it's happened. If you've been foreclosed on then it's happened. See what I mean?

I think what you're asking is when will it be obvious that the system cannot be saved. For me, that was 30 years ago.

When will your neighbor try to eat you? I can't say.
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Good point!
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06/07/2009 01:19 PM
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I ordered chinese last night and they up'd the prices by 50% on everything!
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Your money lost HALF its value in one fell swoop.

See, if people would just look at this from a slightly different standpoint it might not be so mysterious.

If something that cost one "dollar" ten years ago now costs two, then your money has lost half its value. Get it?
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So OP or anyone else. When will this happen?
You have all been saying the same thing for the last 5 years.
First it was the fall of Dollar
then gold was going to go up
then stock markets were to crash time and time again to become worse than 1930's
I see no soup lines
I see cheap food
I am working and earning money
I can buy a house now

Now you are saying it is hyper.....
When is this going to happen?
Will anyone for once put their money where their mouth is.
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06/07/2009 01:24 PM
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Your money lost HALF its value in one fell swoop.

See, if people would just look at this from a slightly different standpoint it might not be so mysterious.

If something that cost one "dollar" ten years ago now costs two, then your money has lost half its value. Get it?
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No. I don't get it because at the same time earnings have gone up too.
I can buy more things now with the same wages than i could 2 years ago. So what does that mean as far as the Dollar is concerned?
Electronic good are cheaper than 2 years ago
Cloths are cheaper. More bargins available
Houses are cheaper
I can get fantastic deal on new cars with massive savings

So can you please explain where i am going wrong in all this? My money is actually going a longer way now than it was 2 years ago.
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So OP or anyone else. When will this happen?
You have all been saying the same thing for the last 5 years.
First it was the fall of Dollar
then gold was going to go up
then stock markets were to crash time and time again to become worse than 1930's
I see no soup lines
I see cheap food
I am working and earning money
I can buy a house now

Now you are saying it is hyper.....
When is this going to happen?
Will anyone for once put their money where their mouth is.
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I'm not the op, but I have a suggestion.

Don't trouble yourself with the subject matter anymore.
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06/07/2009 01:26 PM
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bump
HYMAN PURLMUTTER
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06/07/2009 01:28 PM
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Joe Neubarth on his radio show last night said we were in a deflationary cycle. Joe is never wrong, so we have nothing to worry about inflation right now. He said that our concern will start in 2010
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