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The Rapture of the Church will not happen this year ! I can prove it ! | |
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| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 662494 United States06/08/2009 07:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The time of trouble we are to enter into will test the soul of all. The teaching that the church will miss this trail is not found in the Bible. Rev. 3:10 talks about the great hour that waits this world on the great day of the Lord. The souls of those who live during the reign of the Antichrist and refuse his mark and are martyred for the witness of Jesus and the word of God are raised at the first resurrection. And that first resurrection slightly precedes the rapture of the living who joint the resurrected dead in the air. “Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years (Revelation 20:4-6).” The "priests of God and of Christ" refers to the church, for the church is spoken of as a "royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people." And Paul says that those resurrected from the dead will precede those of us who are gathered alive when we all rise to meet Jesus in the air (1 Thessalonians 4:17). There is no mention or evidence here of a pre-trib raptured group. If you’re part of the church and you’re raptured, your rapture will not precede those who have died in Christ who rise up at the first resurrection. Because if you were raptured earlier, then there would have to have been a prior “first” resurrection. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 662494 United States06/08/2009 08:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | in John 6, Jesus says in several verses that He will raise up those who are His on the “last day.” The last day is the last day. It is not seven years prior.\\ John 6 39And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day." |
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| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 662494 United States06/08/2009 08:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yeah but thats what Hal Lindsy says, why do you read your Bible when you can read Hal Lindys books. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 697759brother Hal I have read lots of his books and bought into the whole early flight teachings of my pastors. I will say the ones I love the most expect to fly out soon!! They will not allow any teaching from a post time line. It would cause a problem in the church. If any pastor allows the teaching it must be a teaching he believes in!!! Houston we have a problem!!! ice |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 662494 United States06/08/2009 08:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ice Matt 24: 29"Immediately after the distress of those days " 'the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.'[c] 30"At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. 31And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 697772 United States06/08/2009 08:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I respect your views, but as for me, the scripture speaks of the Rapture and it's reality. How can Jesus' return be unknowable when the very day is counted in Daniel after the signed treaty? In the Rapture, Jesus comes for the Saints. SC, Jesus comes WITH the Saints. Rapture, Jesus comes in the clouds. SC, Jesus steps foot on the Mount of Olives. Sorry, but many have tried to disprove the "Blessed Hope" and all fail. You can try. I think that Mcarthur, Ice, Graham, Jeramiah and a host of others would have seen As for me, I will see you some day in the clouds Ice. Peace |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 693843 United States06/08/2009 08:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I respect your views, but as for me, the scripture speaks of the Rapture and it's reality. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 697772How can Jesus' return be unknowable when the very day is counted in Daniel after the signed treaty? In the Rapture, Jesus comes for the Saints. SC, Jesus comes WITH the Saints. Rapture, Jesus comes in the clouds. SC, Jesus steps foot on the Mount of Olives. Sorry, but many have tried to disprove the "Blessed Hope" and all fail. You can try. I think that Mcarthur, Ice, Graham, Jeramiah and a host of others would have seen As for me, I will see you some day in the clouds Ice. Peace Pre-trib theory claims that it's a crime to calculate Christ's return but consider that his return is indeed "knowable" for the group that witnesses the abomination of desolation. From that point they can begin the prophetic count down. Daniel states that there will be 1290 days till the end and then blessed is he who comes to the 1335 days. That's a difference of 45 days. It's not mentioned what will occur here but it's highly likely that Christ will return in this 45 day window. No man knows the day or the hour but we can certainly calculate within a month or so of Christ's return in glory! This information reveals that it's not as taboo as one might think to calculate Christ's return. It's just a matter of which group will find themselves counting the days within the great tribulation period. Pre-tribbers obviously fold their arms in exemption but my point is that Christ's return in glory is certainly knowable for those who are wise in understanding the scripture. Satan is doing all he can to put the church to sleep by telling them that Christ's return is signless and that it could happen at any moment. That's producing a lot of ignorant believers because they don't think they have to study the word in relation to the great tribulation. Unfortunately when the church finds itself in this period and bibles are probably banned, a lot of them will be scratching their heads in confusion. Of course, that's Satan's full intention. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 693843 United States06/08/2009 08:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is how easy it is to prove a post tribulation gathering of the church: "Rapture" (I Thess 4:16-17) = Day of the Lord (I Thess 5:2) = Sky darkened (Joel 2:31) = Christ's identical description of sky darkening as occuring after the great tribulation (Matt 24:29) I urge you to study this formula. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 662494 United States06/08/2009 09:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I respect your views, but as for me, the scripture speaks of the Rapture and it's reality. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 697772How can Jesus' return be unknowable when the very day is counted in Daniel after the signed treaty? In the Rapture, Jesus comes for the Saints. SC, Jesus comes WITH the Saints. Rapture, Jesus comes in the clouds. SC, Jesus steps foot on the Mount of Olives. Sorry, but many have tried to disprove the "Blessed Hope" and all fail. You can try. I think that Mcarthur, Ice, Graham, Jeramiah and a host of others would have seen As for me, I will see you some day in the clouds Ice. Peace I see you didn't use any timing verses!!! You could be my Pastor! You are standing on a false teaching based on what you feel and what you have been taught your entire life. It's not Bible!! period it is not Bible ice |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 697126 United States06/08/2009 09:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1. Dispensations There is a clear Dispensational division between the Church Age and the Time of Jacob's Trouble, or the 70th Week of Daniel. The Church Age MUST end so that God can pour out His grace upon the whole House of Israel. "For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in." (Romans 11:25) In the Tribulation Dispensation, the Law will be in effect. We are in the Age of Grace, now, the Church Age, and speaking of Church and Law...the second reason we will not be here when any part of the Tribulation begins is 2. Temple In 1st Corinthians 3:16,17, and 6:16, Paul points out that during the Church Age, believers are the Temple of God. The Apostle Paul writes of the restored Temple (the only place where Daniel's prophecy of sacrifice and oblation can be valid) and the antichrist's desecration of it thusly: "Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God." (2nd Thessalonians 2:4) Since there cannot be TWO Temples, the Holy Spirit Temple of the Church Body must be removed before the Temple of the Law is built and then used for sacrifices as stated in Daniel. If Daniel, Jesus (in Mark 13:14) and Paul say the Tribulation's Temple of God is a building and a legitimate holy place that is capable of being desecrated, then what happened to the Church Age Temple that the SAME Apostle Paul defines as Church Age believers? GONE a fuller explanation here: [link to www.omegaletter.com] It is the only explanation that does not conflict with the rest of scripture. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 662494 United States06/08/2009 09:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It will occur before any part of the Tribulation begins: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6971261. Dispensations There is a clear Dispensational division between the Church Age and the Time of Jacob's Trouble, or the 70th Week of Daniel. The Church Age MUST end so that God can pour out His grace upon the whole House of Israel. "For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in." (Romans 11:25) In the Tribulation Dispensation, the Law will be in effect. We are in the Age of Grace, now, the Church Age, and speaking of Church and Law...the second reason we will not be here when any part of the Tribulation begins is 2. Temple In 1st Corinthians 3:16,17, and 6:16, Paul points out that during the Church Age, believers are the Temple of God. The Apostle Paul writes of the restored Temple (the only place where Daniel's prophecy of sacrifice and oblation can be valid) and the antichrist's desecration of it thusly: "Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God." (2nd Thessalonians 2:4) Since there cannot be TWO Temples, the Holy Spirit Temple of the Church Body must be removed before the Temple of the Law is built and then used for sacrifices as stated in Daniel. If Daniel, Jesus (in Mark 13:14) and Paul say the Tribulation's Temple of God is a building and a legitimate holy place that is capable of being desecrated, then what happened to the Church Age Temple that the SAME Apostle Paul defines as Church Age believers? GONE a fuller explanation here: [link to www.omegaletter.com] It is the only explanation that does not conflict with the rest of scripture. This is a primary view Temple to be re-built and sacrifices to begin again. Jesus on the cross said it is finished and the veil to the Holy of Holy's riped apart top to bottom. You want me to believe with what you are saying goes with what we are given in Matt 24 and Rev ! You believe that we will have a rapture and the Holy Spirit is removed with the church. We then enter into the 70th week of Dan. The Temple is re-built and we move back to pre-cross times. The Lord God in heaven blesses this Temple and makes it Holy. It has to be holy to have an abomination! Funny how all the timing verses that Jesus taught when brought up to pre-trib teachers they always say Jesus was talking to the Jews and it was for the Jews. Problem is that Jesus and all His teachings was always talking to Jews!!!! Jesus did say when you see the abomination standing in the holy place!!! He also said that I will re-build this Temple in 3 days and He was talking about His body!! You know we are the Temple of the Holy Ghost! Be careful in what you teach ! Make sure it lines up with the Word of the Living God! ice |
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| The Therapist User ID: 458935 United States06/08/2009 09:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ice: Go read 2Thessalonians chapter 2. Who do you think The Restrainer is?? Its The Holy Spirit in The Church. So The AC cannot rise to power until The Church is out of here. Anyway, my Mother who died and had an NDE in 1983 confirmed this interpretation. And she was a traditional Catholic who did not believe in personal interpretation of Scripture. Her visions blew her away and none of my siblings accept them. We are twelve by the way. Mom died six weeks following these revelations. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 662494 United States06/08/2009 09:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ice: Go read 2Thessalonians chapter 2. Who do you think The Restrainer is?? Its The Holy Spirit in The Church. So The AC cannot rise to power until The Church is out of here. Anyway, my Mother who died and had an NDE in 1983 confirmed this interpretation. And she was a traditional Catholic who did not believe in personal interpretation of Scripture. Her visions blew her away and none of my siblings accept them. We are twelve by the way. Mom died six weeks following these revelations. Quoting: The Therapist 458935Prove to me it's the Holy Spirit! You say that because you have been told it's the Holy Spirit! The AC cannot rise to power until the Church is gone. Give me some Bible to back that up. ice |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 697126 United States06/08/2009 09:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It will occur before any part of the Tribulation begins: Quoting: Ice1. Dispensations There is a clear Dispensational division between the Church Age and the Time of Jacob's Trouble, or the 70th Week of Daniel. The Church Age MUST end so that God can pour out His grace upon the whole House of Israel. "For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in." (Romans 11:25) In the Tribulation Dispensation, the Law will be in effect. We are in the Age of Grace, now, the Church Age, and speaking of Church and Law...the second reason we will not be here when any part of the Tribulation begins is 2. Temple In 1st Corinthians 3:16,17, and 6:16, Paul points out that during the Church Age, believers are the Temple of God. The Apostle Paul writes of the restored Temple (the only place where Daniel's prophecy of sacrifice and oblation can be valid) and the antichrist's desecration of it thusly: "Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God." (2nd Thessalonians 2:4) Since there cannot be TWO Temples, the Holy Spirit Temple of the Church Body must be removed before the Temple of the Law is built and then used for sacrifices as stated in Daniel. If Daniel, Jesus (in Mark 13:14) and Paul say the Tribulation's Temple of God is a building and a legitimate holy place that is capable of being desecrated, then what happened to the Church Age Temple that the SAME Apostle Paul defines as Church Age believers? GONE a fuller explanation here: [link to www.omegaletter.com] It is the only explanation that does not conflict with the rest of scripture. This is a primary view Temple to be re-built and sacrifices to begin again. Jesus on the cross said it is finished and the veil to the Holy of Holy's riped apart top to bottom. You want me to believe with what you are saying goes with what we are given in Matt 24 and Rev ! You believe that we will have a rapture and the Holy Spirit is removed with the church. We then enter into the 70th week of Dan. The Temple is re-built and we move back to pre-cross times. The Lord God in heaven blesses this Temple and makes it Holy. It has to be holy to have an abomination! Funny how all the timing verses that Jesus taught when brought up to pre-trib teachers they always say Jesus was talking to the Jews and it was for the Jews. Problem is that Jesus and all His teachings was always talking to Jews!!!! Jesus did say when you see the abomination standing in the holy place!!! He also said that I will re-build this Temple in 3 days and He was talking about His body!! You know we are the Temple of the Holy Ghost! Be careful in what you teach ! Make sure it lines up with the Word of the Living God! ice you missed the entire point. First, you said 'Jesus did said "when you see standing in the holy place," ' It was not Jesus, that was Daniel. Second, He and Paul and others said that we are the temple. The Holy Spirit dwells within us. No one can deny that. So...If there are sacrifices going on in the temple that is holy and is then desecrated, then how can there be two holy temples? There can't. The age of Grace ends with the removal of the temple (holy spirit within the believers.) Third, you missed the point about the Dispensations. Yes, the Age of Grace ends with the rapture and the Law comes back, one more time. sigh Why else would there be sacrifices gong on? sigh again. Fourth, I used scripture to show my stance, which is the correct one, btw, because scripture supports it. I also provided a link for the longer explanation, if you are sincere, and interested. You did not use any scriptures at all. But you do know how to use exclamation points, I'll give you that. |
Little Star  User ID: 687974 United States06/08/2009 09:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hello Ice. Good post! You can see that many Christians and non-Christians do not have a handle on the bible. Ask those who are pre-trib believers why God has to tell Satan and his bad angels not to touch anyone with the seal of God in their foreheads? (Rev. 9:4) Ask them to define the word "cloud" and what it means. (Paul could not speak proper Greek, he spoke street Greek, or slang) Prove that? Sure.. Heb. 12:1 Paul uses the word "Cloud" there in that scripture. How can a cloud be a witness? Can't! Cloud is Greek slang word meaning, large body of people, or like we say today from the carry over of that slang word cloud,,,"Cloud of locust"> again meaning a large number of something that is being spoken. Air in 1 Thess. chapter 4 is not air like airplanes fly through, but is the spiritual body. Take the word, get a Strongs and look the word up in the Greek part of the strongs. I have many verse's that tell us what Christ said. Like Mark 13:14 ! Why does Christ have to warn us of Satan there or for those who think Obama or any human is the ant-christ? Why does Christ have to tell us about that if we are not going to be here? My point is this. If you are not sealed with the real truth, you will be deceived no matter what banner you fly your soul on or what shingle is hung out above your church door. Last Edited by Little Star on 06/08/2009 10:03 AM |
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| Little Star User ID: 687974 United States06/08/2009 10:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It will occur before any part of the Tribulation begins: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6971261. Dispensations There is a clear Dispensational division between the Church Age and the Time of Jacob's Trouble, or the 70th Week of Daniel. The Church Age MUST end so that God can pour out His grace upon the whole House of Israel. "For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in." (Romans 11:25) In the Tribulation Dispensation, the Law will be in effect. We are in the Age of Grace, now, the Church Age, and speaking of Church and Law...the second reason we will not be here when any part of the Tribulation begins is 2. Temple In 1st Corinthians 3:16,17, and 6:16, Paul points out that during the Church Age, believers are the Temple of God. The Apostle Paul writes of the restored Temple (the only place where Daniel's prophecy of sacrifice and oblation can be valid) and the antichrist's desecration of it thusly: "Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God." (2nd Thessalonians 2:4) Since there cannot be TWO Temples, the Holy Spirit Temple of the Church Body must be removed before the Temple of the Law is built and then used for sacrifices as stated in Daniel. If Daniel, Jesus (in Mark 13:14) and Paul say the Tribulation's Temple of God is a building and a legitimate holy place that is capable of being desecrated, then what happened to the Church Age Temple that the SAME Apostle Paul defines as Church Age believers? GONE a fuller explanation here: [link to www.omegaletter.com] It is the only explanation that does not conflict with the rest of scripture. This is a primary view Temple to be re-built and sacrifices to begin again. Jesus on the cross said it is finished and the veil to the Holy of Holy's riped apart top to bottom. You want me to believe with what you are saying goes with what we are given in Matt 24 and Rev ! You believe that we will have a rapture and the Holy Spirit is removed with the church. We then enter into the 70th week of Dan. The Temple is re-built and we move back to pre-cross times. The Lord God in heaven blesses this Temple and makes it Holy. It has to be holy to have an abomination! Funny how all the timing verses that Jesus taught when brought up to pre-trib teachers they always say Jesus was talking to the Jews and it was for the Jews. Problem is that Jesus and all His teachings was always talking to Jews!!!! Jesus did say when you see the abomination standing in the holy place!!! He also said that I will re-build this Temple in 3 days and He was talking about His body!! You know we are the Temple of the Holy Ghost! Be careful in what you teach ! Make sure it lines up with the Word of the Living God! ice you missed the entire point. First, you said 'Jesus did said "when you see standing in the holy place," ' It was not Jesus, that was Daniel. Second, He and Paul and others said that we are the temple. The Holy Spirit dwells within us. No one can deny that. So...If there are sacrifices going on in the temple that is holy and is then desecrated, then how can there be two holy temples? There can't. The age of Grace ends with the removal of the temple (holy spirit within the believers.) Third, you missed the point about the Dispensations. Yes, the Age of Grace ends with the rapture and the Law comes back, one more time. sigh Why else would there be sacrifices gong on? sigh again. Fourth, I used scripture to show my stance, which is the correct one, btw, because scripture supports it. I also provided a link for the longer explanation, if you are sincere, and interested. You did not use any scriptures at all. But you do know how to use exclamation points, I'll give you that. Sorry, but you have not used scripture at all here in your words. You are spouting traditions of men. Question for you... When Christ speaks of the Abomination of desolation,(Mark 13:14) is that a flesh temple or a physical temple? I doubt very much if you really know what Christ is telling you as a reader. Why do I say that? Because 90 % of Christians have not idea who or what is the abomination of desolation. They think it is some place or some other person other than Satan. There has only been one character in the whole bible that has been judge by God. Only one to die a spiritual death! That is Satan. He is the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel. Daniel(9:27) Who is gathered first, the tares or Christians believers? Another hot point! Here is the kicker verse's that says something about the latter days and the trib. and who will overcome that trib. Rev. 15:1-3. Verse two defines the action taken by those going through the trib and what verse 3 defines is the songs that they sing. (99%) of Christian that I have ever met do not even begin to know the victory songs and what will be song by those that overcome. That tells us how grand the deception is today.. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 662494 United States06/08/2009 10:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ice: Go read 2Thessalonians chapter 2. Who do you think The Restrainer is?? Great question! Since I believe the church is active through Rev and we see the restrainer being removed I do not believe the restrainer to be the Church. Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. We know that Satan is thrown down to earth by Michael. I see Michael as the restrainer. Its The Holy Spirit in The Church. So The AC cannot rise to power until The Church is out of here. Anyway, my Mother who died and had an NDE in 1983 confirmed this interpretation. And she was a traditional Catholic who did not believe in personal interpretation of Scripture. Her visions blew her away and none of my siblings accept them. We are twelve by the way. Mom died six weeks following these revelations. Nothing but love for you and your mother. It's something we all have to pray through. ice |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 662494 United States06/08/2009 10:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | op and star...... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 697816two people NOT to believe Op has had way to many fail predictions..... what ever this is pure Bible and nothing else No 3rd party reporting! if you know how to open a Bible do it! tell me what you think it says!! can you handle it ice |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 311438  Canada06/08/2009 10:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 6th Seal rapture Scripture We "will" experience tribulation. Acts 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God. We "are not" appointed unto wrath 1Thessalonians 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath So... When does tribulation end and God's wrath begin? Sixth seal The Day of The Lord Revelation 6:12-13 & 17 (King James Version) 12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? Revelation 7:9-10 (King James Version) 9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. Matthew 24; Seal Judgments Matthew 24:29-31, 40 & 41 Sixth seal 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. 40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Seal judgments - Tribulation Followed by Trumpet and Bowl judgments - God's wrath |
| Little Star User ID: 687974 United States06/08/2009 10:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | op and star...... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 697816two people NOT to believe Op has had way to many fail predictions..... You don't know me at all. You are like most Christians, you attack a persons Character and leave out the bible in your stance. I bet that 2 Thessalonians 2:11 fits your mind perfectly. You have never seen me post a thread, and yet you have judged me already.. Thanks for that! Romans 11:8 defines your spiritual side. While you are reading what I posted in Romans, ask yourself who are those 7000 chosen to stand agains "Baal" which one of many symbolic names of Satan. Yes God has chosen 7000 to stand against those fallen angels which Satan brings with him. Satan shall have 7000, and God has chosen 7000 humans to stand against them when they arrive. Did you know that super preacher? |
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| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 662494 United States06/08/2009 10:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | one correction to my comment: that was Jesus AND Daniel saying when you see the abomination of desolation,,, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 697126good point AC and you hit a core element of what has to be the center of any teaching. Matt 24 15"So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,' spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 1st point is that it says when you see !!! sounds like you should be here to see it what is it we are going to see? I don't buy into a re-built Temple. I believe Jesus is part of the 70th week of Dan. What is it that we will see? ice |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 662494 United States06/08/2009 10:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | can you handle it Quoting: Anonymous Coward 697816ice pass just sayin....to some unsuspecting reader out there.... you have had to many fail predictions to be taken seriously. I have reported on others predictions Being a man of faith in what I see as the ending of the age I post many things about the age ending. Why don't you come out of AC land and bring forth what you see as the truth. Get your Bible out! ice |
| Little Star User ID: 687974 United States06/08/2009 10:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 6th Seal rapture Quoting: Anonymous Coward 311438Scripture We "will" experience tribulation. Acts 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God. We "are not" appointed unto wrath 1Thessalonians 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath So... When does tribulation end and God's wrath begin? Sixth seal The Day of The Lord Revelation 6:12-13 & 17 (King James Version) 12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? Revelation 7:9-10 (King James Version) 9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. Matthew 24; Seal Judgments Matthew 24:29-31, 40 & 41 Sixth seal 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. 40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Seal judgments - Tribulation Followed by Trumpet and Bowl judgments - God's wrath Lots of symbolics in those verse's. Could you image the stars of heaven falling to earth? If our earth connected to our one lonely sun, earth would be destroyed. Therefore if you read verse 13 with the understanding that those 'stars' are Satans bad boys, you will get the understanding. But if you listen to some super preacher telling you that the stars are going to fall onto earth and he or she makes you think that they are the stars you see at night, then I would say one thing. Run as fast as you can away from that person. They have the spiritual latter day slumber upon them which Romans 11:8 defines. I am little star, not those untimely figs that are spoken of by Christ in verse 13. Christ told you to learn the parable of the fig trees, then in verse 13 you see the word fig being used. If you have any ability to understand the bible, you will see what those figs are in both Jer. 24, and in Rev. 8 which it tells of that one great Star (8:10)which is Satan. When you are in heaven with God in His dimension, you are a star. Prove that? Sure, in Job 38:7 it tells us all that we "all" one time before sang together rejoicing long before Satan tried to claim the thrown. There is your symbolic word Star and what it means. And as you read Rev. 8: you see the word waters and wormwood. Waters are peoples,nations and tongues (Read Rev. 17:15 to pick up on that symbolic word waters.)Then when you do , look around and see the wormwood today. Many Christians today are filled with wormwood and they do not even know it. Already, wormwood was cast on this thread today. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 662494 United States06/08/2009 10:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hello Ice. Quoting: Little StarGood post! You can see that many Christians and non-Christians do not have a handle on the bible. Ask those who are pre-trib believers why God has to tell Satan and his bad angels not to touch anyone with the seal of God in their foreheads? (Rev. 9:4) Ask them to define the word "cloud" and what it means. (Paul could not speak proper Greek, he spoke street Greek, or slang) Prove that? Sure.. Heb. 12:1 Paul uses the word "Cloud" there in that scripture. How can a cloud be a witness? Can't! Cloud is Greek slang word meaning, large body of people, or like we say today from the carry over of that slang word cloud,,,"Cloud of locust"> again meaning a large number of something that is being spoken. Air in 1 Thess. chapter 4 is not air like airplanes fly through, but is the spiritual body. Take the word, get a Strongs and look the word up in the Greek part of the strongs. I have many verse's that tell us what Christ said. Like Mark 13:14 ! Why does Christ have to warn us of Satan there or for those who think Obama or any human is the ant-christ? Why does Christ have to tell us about that if we are not going to be here? My point is this. If you are not sealed with the real truth, you will be deceived no matter what banner you fly your soul on or what shingle is hung out above your church door. thanks star it's all coming down and my concern is for those that expect to fly out and don't that they old to their faith. True faith will always hold! God Bless |
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