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Obama speech quoted jihad verse from Quran

 
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In his major address to the Muslim world last week, President Obama quoted a verse from the Quran that is interpreted as urging Muslims to follow Muhammad in waging jihad against nonbelievers.

The context of the verse first noticed by Robert Spencer of the Jihad Watch website was confirmed by Quranic experts contacted by WND.

"I have pointed to this section of the Quran as showing the importance of jihad and to follow the prophet (Muhammad) in jihad even though a war may be difficult," Abu Abaida Al-Ahmed, the imam of a central mosque in Gaza City, told WND.

Obama quoted the verse in question during a section of his speech where he was stressing a "new beginning" between the U.S. and the Muslim world, and the need for a "sustained effort to listen to each other."

Obama continued: "As the Holy Quran tells us, 'Be conscious of God and speak always the truth.' That is what I will try to do to speak the truth as best I can, humbled by the task before us, and firm in my belief that the interests we share as human beings are far more powerful than the forces that drive us apart."

Obama was reading from chapter 9 verse 119 of the Quran, which deals with the theme of not abandoning Muhammad.

The next Quranic passage continues: "Neither the dwellers of the city, nor the Arabs around them, shall seek to stay behind the messenger of Allah (when he mobilizes for war). Nor shall they give priority to their own affairs over supporting him. This is because they do not suffer any thirst, or any effort, or hunger in the cause of Allah, or take a single step that enrages the disbelievers, or inflict any hardship upon the enemy, without having it written down for them as a credit. Allah never fails to recompense those who work righteousness."

The two passages are part of a Quranic section scolding local Muslims in Medina for refusing to accompany Muhammad on a war expedition to Tabouk in northern Arabia, where he was seeking to fight a Byzantine garrison.

Abu Saqer, the head of Jahidiya Salifiyah, an Islamic outreach movement in Gaza, explained there are two main interpretations of the verse cited by Obama:

"First that you should follow the truth of Allah, but in specific to follow those who are in jihad with the prophet in spite of the great heat of going to war," he said.

Al Ahmed, the Gaza imam, stated, "The verses come from the period of the Al-Tabouk war, the year when the prophet left Mecca for Madina."

The main official Quranic exegesis, or tafsir, concerning verse 119 deals with the importance of speaking the truth. A secondary tafsir, however, uses the verse quoted by Obama to argue for jihad.

That tafsir reads: "(Be careful of your duty to Allah) obey Allah in that which he has commanded you, (and be with the Truthful) with Abu Bakr, 'Umar and their companions when they stay behind and when they participate in jihad."

During his speech in Cairo last week, Obama referred to the Quran as "holy" four times and quoted several verses from the Islamic text. He also used Muslim terminology, such as the Quranic obligation of "zakat" or charity.

The speech, in which Obama referenced his Islamic experiences as a child in Indonesia and the Muslim faith of his paternal family, was a major departure from the tone of his campaign last year, when Obama and his team emphasized the then-candidate's stated Christian faith.


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That is what I will try to do to speak the truth as best I can
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now things are gonna get real really quick......
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Today God said "Obama Queen".

Your post OP confirms it. Now read Revelation 17...


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Gotta wonder if it was a boo boo or intentional. I would think his speech writers would know.
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Re: Obama speech quoted jihad verse from Quran
Aesops fable ...
The Farmer and the Snake

The greatest kindness will not bind the ungrateful.


ONE WINTER a Farmer found a Snake stiff and frozen with cold. He had compassion on it, and taking it up, placed it in his bosom.

The Snake was quickly revived by the warmth, and resuming its natural instincts, bit its benefactor, inflicting on him a mortal wound.

"Oh," cried the Farmer with his last breath, "I am rightly served for pitying a scoundrel."
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Obama was reading from
chapter 9 verse 119 of the Koran

that's 9119 - either way you read it's 911
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Whatever you do don't shut up!



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119 Hebrew gematria = Son of my sorrows, Lord of the Fly's, Balzebub --- name of a Philistine god
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It looks like the Liberals have just sunk the Obama Titanic...




Casui Chatah, Covering of Sin) = 119
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119; 119 is the numerical value of the word "tear" (דִמְעָה), in Hebrew. Thus, our mother Rachel personifies the two cosmic tears of the Shechinah (God's imminence and revealed presence in our world), that flow from her eyes and arouse mercy over the people of Israel. These two tears correspond to the two days of Rosh HaShanah (Rachel's Haftorah is read on the second day of Rosh HaShanah, when both tears have been shed).

The word "tear," 119, in turn equals the word for "little" or "small"
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This thread should be pinned...

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This thread should be pinned...

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You know, I agree. Accident or not, this means something to the Muslims.
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This is what happens when you try and quote scriptures out of context. Now we have the President of the United States trying to be a "muslim brother" and inadvertently enforcing a possible jihadist interpretation of the Koran.
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This is what happens when you try and quote scriptures out of context. Now we have the President of the United States trying to be a "muslim brother" and inadvertently enforcing a possible jihadist interpretation of the Koran.
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Or intentionally given them a message regarding is intentions and how they can help.
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this is BIG NEWS
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This is what happens when you try and quote scriptures out of context. Now we have the President of the United States trying to be a "muslim brother" and inadvertently enforcing a possible jihadist interpretation of the Koran.
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It would matter what the "Possible interpretation is going to be, that's the way it will play for millions of Muslims all across the Islamic nations.

Really this kid is bumbling and is just way out of his league....and it is showing. Tell me why there are not 2 dozen experts going over a speech like this and a measuring every possible faux paux before he can make it....not like this is a jelly donut, it's an entire freakin verse....
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This is what happens when you try and quote scriptures out of context. Now we have the President of the United States trying to be a "muslim brother" and inadvertently enforcing a possible jihadist interpretation of the Koran.

It would matter what the "Possible interpretation is going to be, that's the way it will play for millions of Muslims all across the Islamic nations.

Really this kid is bumbling and is just way out of his league....and it is showing. Tell me why there are not 2 dozen experts going over a speech like this and a measuring every possible faux paux before he can make it....not like this is a jelly donut, it's an entire freakin verse....
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Looking like you were right and I will be regretting taking a chance on this guy and voting for him.
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you are so used to having a bush in office that you do not understand when someone tries to build bridges rather than burn them.
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This is what happens when you try and quote scriptures out of context. Now we have the President of the United States trying to be a "muslim brother" and inadvertently enforcing a possible jihadist interpretation of the Koran.
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What makes you think it was "out of context" or "inadvertent"? Maybe he knows exactly what he's doing and exactly what he said.
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Go fuck ur self fucking christian or fucking jew
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This is what happens when you try and quote scriptures out of context. Now we have the President of the United States trying to be a "muslim brother" and inadvertently enforcing a possible jihadist interpretation of the Koran.

It would matter what the "Possible interpretation is going to be, that's the way it will play for millions of Muslims all across the Islamic nations.

Really this kid is bumbling and is just way out of his league....and it is showing. Tell me why there are not 2 dozen experts going over a speech like this and a measuring every possible faux paux before he can make it....not like this is a jelly donut, it's an entire freakin verse....
 Quoting: SHR

The part O quotes

Be careful of your duty to Allah, and be with the truthful.(He paraphases it)

The part he left out

O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him). --Quran 9:119-123
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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IIRC he only has that one dapper young lad (who preens to look like a Hollywood 'company' man, wink wink) who writes ALL his speeches.

This quote surely is a symbolic flare for islamic nutcases around the world. Basically giving an all clear and saying, "Come an git it!"

Scumbag. ----> ohappy
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This is what happens when you try and quote scriptures out of context. Now we have the President of the United States trying to be a "muslim brother" and inadvertently enforcing a possible jihadist interpretation of the Koran.

It would matter what the "Possible interpretation is going to be, that's the way it will play for millions of Muslims all across the Islamic nations.

Really this kid is bumbling and is just way out of his league....and it is showing. Tell me why there are not 2 dozen experts going over a speech like this and a measuring every possible faux paux before he can make it....not like this is a jelly donut, it's an entire freakin verse....

The part O quotes

Be careful of your duty to Allah, and be with the truthful.(He paraphases it)

The part he left out

O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him). --Quran 9:119-123
 Quoting: mathetes


And thus conclusions will follow...
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This is what happens when you try and quote scriptures out of context. Now we have the President of the United States trying to be a "muslim brother" and inadvertently enforcing a possible jihadist interpretation of the Koran.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 655996

I do not believe their is any trying to be a muslim.I believe he IS A MUSLIM. He has been sending a message for a long time now.
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Go fuck ur self fucking christian or fucking jew
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you put the "ass" in asshole!



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Re: Obama speech quoted jihad verse from Quran
Obama was reading from
chapter 9 verse 119 of the Koran

that's 9119 - either way you read it's 911

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Yea, 911's official story is complete bullshit, but for the love of god and those trying to educate others. Shut the fuck up with that shit, you make those sharing sound retarded.
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you are so used to having a bush in office that you do not understand when someone tries to build bridges rather than burn them.
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You mean building a Trojan horse.
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This is what happens when you try and quote scriptures out of context. Now we have the President of the United States trying to be a "muslim brother" and inadvertently enforcing a possible jihadist interpretation of the Koran.

It would matter what the "Possible interpretation is going to be, that's the way it will play for millions of Muslims all across the Islamic nations.

Really this kid is bumbling and is just way out of his league....and it is showing. Tell me why there are not 2 dozen experts going over a speech like this and a measuring every possible faux paux before he can make it....not like this is a jelly donut, it's an entire freakin verse....

The part O quotes

Be careful of your duty to Allah, and be with the truthful.(He paraphases it)

The part he left out

O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him). --Quran 9:119-123
 Quoting: mathetes

LOL Most Americans would not know that. By him leaving that out it sends a loud and clear message to Islam. siren2
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IIRC he only has that one dapper young lad (who preens to look like a Hollywood 'company' man, wink wink) who writes ALL his speeches.

This quote surely is a symbolic flare for islamic nutcases around the world. Basically giving an all clear and saying, "Come an git it!"

Scumbag. ----> ohappy
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 698157

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A verse out of a book he quoted?

That's it, there's your proof.





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