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"The time frame for construction ranges from 500B.C. to 1500A.D. The current commonly accepted date for construction is 500 A.D. The myths of the culture who built it abound. Local Indian culture speaks of a race of "moon-eyed" people. Some choose to interpret this as "white people", inferring that the dark eyed Indians would select this as a description for a light skinned blue eyed race. If the "moon-eyed" people myth can be believed it would more likely be a reference to the god they worshiped than to the shape of their eyes.

Another myth revolves around the Welsh prince Madoc. He arrived in Mobile Bay around 1400 AD and moved north from there. Several petroglyphs support the existence of this legend."

[link to ngeorgia.com]

There (was) three forts that I'm aware of.
The other is in Old Stone Fort State Archaeological Park in TN.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

The third stone fort was in Chattanooga, TN on the banks of the Chickamauga river. It was torn down to build Amnicola highway. In the book, 'The Natural and Aboriginal History of Tennessee' (1823), John Haywood writes about it.
[link to tennesseeencyclopedia.net]

He also talks about a cave found on Missionary ridge there that contained skeletons of people with RED HAIR, he claims this cave was covered up.

Now I'm giving two VERY HIDDEN pieces of information.
The area where this stone fort was is now a chemical plant on the right (coming from Chatt. State, right before crossing chickamauga). You can see an UNTOUCHED, large tree covered, 50-60' indian mound as pretty as can be right in front there easily visible from the road. But you have to look for it.

Across from Chattanooga State and Lake Jr, is government TVA land which backs up to the ridge there. I'm not sure I would recommend anyone walking it, but I have(there is scary stuff there- nuff said). But anyway directly on top of the ridge there is an ancient indian burial ground...that I bet hardly anyone knows about.
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Another archaological site that has ancient fortifications is on the mountain overlooking Dalton, GA (directly up on the right from the trade and convention center). Supposedly an ancient wall already existed there before being rebuilt for use as an entrenchment during the civil war.

I was there during my lunch break one day and was startled by a native american in full dress, with the head piece and all. Chanting (/talking) to a flock of eagles (I guess) that were flying over him.

It seems to me that every time I walk out of the house now there is a flock of eagles flying in circles above me.

Coinkidink?
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Tell ya something else. I was friends with a girl (sherry carter) whose dad ran the bulldozer to build river front park way. He brought home buckets of artifacts. I saw them in person (They were shown to me). Some of them didn't look cherokee at all.
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And speaking of looting of ancient artifacts. I worked with a guy named david (can't think of his last name) who lived right next to the creek on signal mountain that goes and forms rainbow falls at point park. directly down from where the creek crosses the road (before the signal mountain leaf fill) is a natural cave/bluff/overhang. It's hard to reach from the falls because you have to climb rock cliffs.

Him and his family took buckets and buckets of ancient indian artifacts from this natural shelter.
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Your dates are wrong about Prince Madoc (a distant relative). He was actually there around the 500 a.d. marker. He was the brother of King Arthur...yup, that one.

A couple of British Scholars have unearthed a great deal about this connection.

I know you will find many incorrect dates for him, most around the 1200 marker. But that is part of the subtrefuge. There is a reason they do not want us to know of King Arthur...nor his relatives. It has the potential to unravel the Great Mirage in which mankind has been imprisoned for eons.
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And speaking of looting of ancient artifacts. I worked with a guy named david (can't think of his last name) who lived right next to the creek on signal mountain that goes and forms rainbow falls at point park. directly down from where the creek crosses the road (before the signal mountain leaf fill) is a natural cave/bluff/overhang. It's hard to reach from the falls because you have to climb rock cliffs.

Him and his family took buckets and buckets of ancient indian artifacts from this natural shelter.
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(There near edward's point.)

Two other places. At Skylarka springs down from covenant college at the base of the mountain (part of point park) has ancient stone rubble piles. Supposedly the remnants of a cherokee village...chief skylarka.

Up suck creek (rd) some ways are ancient stone rubble piles. Also on top of the ridge there at suck creek is also an ancient indian burial ground.
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Your dates are wrong about Prince Madoc (a distant relative). He was actually there around the 500 a.d. marker. He was the brother of King Arthur...yup, that one.

A couple of British Scholars have unearthed a great deal about this connection.

I know you will find many incorrect dates for him, most around the 1200 marker. But that is part of the subtrefuge. There is a reason they do not want us to know of King Arthur...nor his relatives. It has the potential to unravel the Great Mirage in which mankind has been imprisoned for eons.
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You would like this book.
The Natural and Aboriginal History of Tennessee
He talks about all the ancient roman coin finds in TN.
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Ooh, another place nobody is aware of. On the hill at the coast guard station at chickamauga dam has long sections of ancient stone wall/fence...where there has been talk of building new tva offices. This is within a mile of all that first crap mentioned at lake jr.
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Your dates are wrong about Prince Madoc (a distant relative). He was actually there around the 500 a.d. marker. He was the brother of King Arthur...yup, that one.

A couple of British Scholars have unearthed a great deal about this connection.

I know you will find many incorrect dates for him, most around the 1200 marker. But that is part of the subtrefuge. There is a reason they do not want us to know of King Arthur...nor his relatives. It has the potential to unravel the Great Mirage in which mankind has been imprisoned for eons.

You would like this book.
The Natural and Aboriginal History of Tennessee
He talks about all the ancient roman coin finds in TN.
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Also you would be interested in reading about the melungeon people who inhabited the area.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Very interesting op ,thanks!!!!!
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If you get a book called, 'Book of Hopi' by Frank Waters. That might help to explain. Why the 'Eagles' are suddenly, in your life.
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O.P.
If you get a book called, 'Book of Hopi' by Frank Waters. That might help to explain. Why the 'Eagles' are suddenly, in your life.
 Quoting: RD47blog 699047

My second great grandfather was John Oliver, one of the first white settlers in TN. He married a cherokee indentured servant (cherokee orphan). He lived in Cades Cove which is now part of the smoky mountain national park (600 acres). The John Oliver's cabin is now a national monument. Family legend says that the locals didn't like him being married to a Cherokee and being friends with other cherokee in the area and so they conspired to take his land. He tried to fight the seizure of his land (to form the smoky mtn national park), and by doing so he lost the "fair offer price" that was given to those who didn't fight the takeover. He subsequently committed suicide.

An odder apsect to it all is my wife's grandmother is an oliver, from john oliver's brother william. He also married Cherokee. So my wife and I are like third cousins.
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Good link:
[link to www.hmdb.org]
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Good link:
[link to www.hmdb.org]
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So there's four old stone forts. I didn't pick up the one at: "Legend attributes three stone forts to Prince Madoc's people. One near DeSoto Falls, Alabama"

Amazingly enough they got the chattanooga one but left out fort mountain GA.
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Cool post OP. I knew there were a lot of old stone monuments in New England, but I didn't know about the ones in the southeast.

You might enjoy reading at The New England Antiquities Research Association (NEARA)

[link to www.neara.org]

I think that's the right link. It's hard to find the article archive on the web site there, if I remember correctly. you have to poke around for it but there are cool articles about old stone walls, underground tunnels and tombs, standing stones, petroglyphs, etc.
"Give thanks in all circumstances, for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus. " (1 Thessalonians 5.18)

"Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. 7 And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus."

Philippians 4:6-7
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I'll tell you another odd story. There was once a poster hanging up at the Chattanooga Bicentennial Library that was talking about the burial grounds at Moccasin Bend. There were two burial grounds there. They dated one burial ground to be 10k years old it said on this poster.....
Well there was a big to-do over them bulldozing one set of burial grounds to build a golf course there at moccasin bend....

One rainy day, I rode my bicycle down to Moccasin Bend to see the burial grounds for myself. They were easy to find, just had to follow the no trespassing signs. Well I was rooting around in the river there sifting through the mud and found several pieces of burial jar and a few cool rocks.

I took these home with me (I was living off east manning st at the time) and laid the artifacts on my chester drawer. I went to wash up and called my wife (then GF) and was telling her about what I had found. But when I went to look on my chester drawer only the rocks were there, the pieces of burial pot were missing. I never found them. This always puzzled me greatly.

Directly across the river from this burial ground is the cave that Johny Cash had his epiphany in. It was used during the civil war but was closed off due to homeless people taking shelter in it.

My aunt said the cherokee considered the area between moccasin bend and suck creek to be haunted. This would be elder and racoon mountains. Both of these mountains have a crap load of UFO activity...I mean a CRAP load.
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What bird did the Cherokee Tribe, pick as their ceremonial Bird? An example would be, Hopi had the Eagle, Navajo had the Hawk and so on. Eagle just don't start acknowledging someone, out of the blue. It's happen to me a few times, but always near ancient Native American, power area's.
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Wow!
Love all the great info,I grew-up in N.E Alabama and have little Indian blood from both parents sides.

Wish i could go home and check these sites out,we had a small burial plot on my grandmothers land and we were told never mess with it.

Several Indian graves that my Grandmother said was old Family,maybe she meant ancestors.

Lots of caves me and sibs would find had cave-wall drawings(very cool).
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What bird did the Cherokee Tribe, pick as their ceremonial Bird? An example would be, Hopi had the Eagle, Navajo had the Hawk and so on. Eagle just don't start acknowledging someone, out of the blue. It's happen to me a few times, but always near ancient Native American, power area's.
 Quoting: RD47blog 699047

I found this interesting read.
[link to www.firstpeople.us]

and no I'm not making it up. I had about six of them just earlier today soaring/floating (riding the thermals) casually up above me. I always have one swoop down real low and check me out...and then he'll fly up and away to have another one come and do the same thing. I am always thinking they are going to swoop down and steal one of my cats, but they just watch...but I see them every where I go. Anywhere in the city, at my parents house, etc, etc.
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Your dates are wrong about Prince Madoc (a distant relative). He was actually there around the 500 a.d. marker. He was the brother of King Arthur...yup, that one.

A couple of British Scholars have unearthed a great deal about this connection.

I know you will find many incorrect dates for him, most around the 1200 marker. But that is part of the subtrefuge. There is a reason they do not want us to know of King Arthur...nor his relatives. It has the potential to unravel the Great Mirage in which mankind has been imprisoned for eons.
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Please...tell us more about Madoc, King Arthur, and his relatives, pretty please. :)
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O.P.

What bird did the Cherokee Tribe, pick as their ceremonial Bird? An example would be, Hopi had the Eagle, Navajo had the Hawk and so on. Eagle just don't start acknowledging someone, out of the blue. It's happen to me a few times, but always near ancient Native American, power area's.

I found this interesting read.
[link to www.firstpeople.us]

and no I'm not making it up. I had about six of them just earlier today soaring/floating (riding the thermals) casually up above me. I always have one swoop down real low and check me out...and then he'll fly up and away to have another one come and do the same thing. I am always thinking they are going to swoop down and steal one of my cats, but they just watch...but I see them every where I go. Anywhere in the city, at my parents house, etc, etc.
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Also my dad told me that my second great grandmothers name meant 'little blue bird' in cherokee. I don't know if that is true or not though.
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Had read last year that the Mall in Nashville is built over a very large Indian Burial site.
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You know that the Eagle represents power, don't you? They are, the top of the food chain. They fly higher, dive faster, than all the other birds. The Eagle has no natural enemies, except modern man.
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Had read last year that the Mall in Nashville is built over a very large Indian Burial site.
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The largest cherokee village in the area (overhill) is situated off the banks of the hiwassee where it comes out of the unicoi range, is now a state run tree farm just off hwy 411. The 'smoke signal/lookout' for this village is the mountain there at gee creek wilderness. There is NO official trail to the peak of this mountain...but I know there is stuff there. I've been wanting to climb it forever but no one will do it with me (It's dangerous to climb mountains alone).

Also Baylor School off of signal mtn rd has a large collection of native american artifacts gathered from the island that the school owns there.
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Cherokee are, in fact, of the Algonquin nation and the Algonquins, in fact, are Egyptians.

Little Egypt in Southern Illinois, Memphis, Cairo, etc., down in that area, are aptly named. Many of the vocabulary words of the Algonquin are phylogenically closely related to ancient Egyptian.

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If you get a book called, 'Book of Hopi' by Frank Waters. That might help to explain. Why the 'Eagles' are suddenly, in your life.

My second great grandfather was John Oliver, one of the first white settlers in TN. He married a cherokee indentured servant (cherokee orphan). He lived in Cades Cove which is now part of the smoky mountain national park (600 acres). The John Oliver's cabin is now a national monument. Family legend says that the locals didn't like him being married to a Cherokee and being friends with other cherokee in the area and so they conspired to take his land. He tried to fight the seizure of his land (to form the smoky mtn national park), and by doing so he lost the "fair offer price" that was given to those who didn't fight the takeover. He subsequently committed suicide.

An odder apsect to it all is my wife's grandmother is an oliver, from john oliver's brother william. He also married Cherokee. So my wife and I are like third cousins.
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That is quite interesting. I moved to TN over a yr ago and there is alot of history in the area I live. 1/2 hour from Cades Cove, and I have been there. Even more history up past Coker Creek, I know some hillbilly's from there. Born and raised on the mountains. I got a tour of the old mountain road last weekend from my girlfriends brother. Lots of fresh springs up there too. when TSHTF I now have people up there. too kewl
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If you get a book called, 'Book of Hopi' by Frank Waters. That might help to explain. Why the 'Eagles' are suddenly, in your life.

My second great grandfather was John Oliver, one of the first white settlers in TN. He married a cherokee indentured servant (cherokee orphan). He lived in Cades Cove which is now part of the smoky mountain national park (600 acres). The John Oliver's cabin is now a national monument. Family legend says that the locals didn't like him being married to a Cherokee and being friends with other cherokee in the area and so they conspired to take his land. He tried to fight the seizure of his land (to form the smoky mtn national park), and by doing so he lost the "fair offer price" that was given to those who didn't fight the takeover. He subsequently committed suicide.

An odder apsect to it all is my wife's grandmother is an oliver, from john oliver's brother william. He also married Cherokee. So my wife and I are like third cousins.

That is quite interesting. I moved to TN over a yr ago and there is alot of history in the area I live. 1/2 hour from Cades Cove, and I have been there. Even more history up past Coker Creek, I know some hillbilly's from there. Born and raised on the mountains. I got a tour of the old mountain road last weekend from my girlfriends brother. Lots of fresh springs up there too. when TSHTF I now have people up there. too kewl
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You mentioned coker creek (hwy68). Monroe county has had crop circles two years in a row now. I suspect there will be one this year also....
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Had read last year that the Mall in Nashville is built over a very large Indian Burial site.

The largest cherokee village in the area (overhill) is situated off the banks of the hiwassee where it comes out of the unicoi range, is now a state run tree farm just off hwy 411. The 'smoke signal/lookout' for this village is the mountain there at gee creek wilderness. There is NO official trail to the peak of this mountain...but I know there is stuff there. I've been wanting to climb it forever but no one will do it with me (It's dangerous to climb mountains alone).

Also Baylor School off of signal mtn rd has a large collection of native american artifacts gathered from the island that the school owns there.
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Virgin mountain you say?
if i was back home(Alabama)i sure as hell would go with ya,im 45 but i still have some life in me.
Wow you cant get anyone?that sux!!!!
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Cherokee are, in fact, of the Algonquin nation and the Algonquins, in fact, are Egyptians.

Little Egypt in Southern Illinois, Memphis, Cairo, etc., down in that area, are aptly named. Many of the vocabulary words of the Algonquin are phylogenically closely related to ancient Egyptian.

[link to www.google.com]
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Very interesting. Have you heard the legend of the egyptian cave found in the grand canyon?
[link to www.rense.com]
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Had read last year that the Mall in Nashville is built over a very large Indian Burial site.

The largest cherokee village in the area (overhill) is situated off the banks of the hiwassee where it comes out of the unicoi range, is now a state run tree farm just off hwy 411. The 'smoke signal/lookout' for this village is the mountain there at gee creek wilderness. There is NO official trail to the peak of this mountain...but I know there is stuff there. I've been wanting to climb it forever but no one will do it with me (It's dangerous to climb mountains alone).

Also Baylor School off of signal mtn rd has a large collection of native american artifacts gathered from the island that the school owns there.



Virgin mountain you say?
if i was back home(Alabama)i sure as hell would go with ya,im 45 but i still have some life in me.
Wow you cant get anyone?that sux!!!!
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Yeah, I about died coming down a mountain following a little creek next to south chickamauga (commonly called soddy creek...but there's two soddy creeks...so the first one...the one that has the bottomless lake and the government facility at the top of roberts mill road). I fell down a pretty good embankment. Lost my glasses, found a cool cave. It was scary. If I had broken my leg....

Another virgin mtn on my list to climb is Brown Mtn in NC...of the 'Brown Mtn Lights' fame. I want people with me on that one case there is something scary there at the top....know what I mean???
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Great info ...love East TN....and its people...





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