| Users Online Now: 1,745 (Who's On?) | Visitors Today: 625,107 | |
| Pageviews Today: 818,013 | Threads Today: 235 | Posts Today: 3,275 |
| 07:12 AM | ||
| Users Online Now: 1,745 (Who's On?) | Visitors Today: 625,107 | |
| Pageviews Today: 818,013 | Threads Today: 235 | Posts Today: 3,275 |
| 07:12 AM | ||
Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!! | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 17230  Germany09/08/2009 10:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
***ZetaMax***  User ID: 764450  United States09/08/2009 10:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | >> Vaccinations have been proven Quoting: Circuit BreakerReally? I'd be curious to see such "PROOF". As for polio, are you aware that the disease was in STEEP decline before they even started the vaccination for it? Note it also has not been eradicated. Same with Small Pox - and while not extant, our "loving" leaders greedily embrace stockpiles of weaponized versions of the stuff. Yellow Fever and Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever have pretty much died out without massive world-wide vaccination programs. Imagine that! So - about your "PROOF" ... Anything I or anyone else provides will just be ignored, so why don't you do the research. And while you're at it, present something that shows Polio was in STEEP decline before vaccinations began. Even if it was, that's beside the point...the vaccination helped ensure that a massive outbreak didn't reoccur. BTW, I didn't say it WAS eradicated. Learn to read and comprehend. As for "Planet X"....about your "PROOF".... I have no "PROOF" for the existence of Planet X. The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations. ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997. [link to www.zetatalk.com] ZetaMax |
| Circuit Breaker User ID: 612979 United States09/08/2009 10:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| ***ZetaMax*** User ID: 764450 United States09/08/2009 11:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have no "PROOF" for the existence of Planet X. Quoting: Circuit BreakerNor do you have any proof or evidence that Nancy is right...even though you're a constant champion of hers. [link to www.zetatalk.com] The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations. ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997. [link to www.zetatalk.com] ZetaMax |
| Menow User ID: 765760 United States09/08/2009 11:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey... the Good Dr. P is back! I'm travelling, and so can post. In case you didn't know, my home IP was sumerily banned, apparently permanently, with no warning, for allegedly "stalking Candace", or so I was told. Quoting: DrPostmanGood to see you back! Cheers! That happened to several people. Email me so I can look up the ban and discuss it with the mod who did it. Will do, when I get home. Thanks. |
| ***ZetaMax*** User ID: 764450 United States09/08/2009 11:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey... the Good Dr. P is back! I'm travelling, and so can post. In case you didn't know, my home IP was sumerily banned, apparently permanently, with no warning, for allegedly "stalking Candace", or so I was told. Quoting: Menow 765760Good to see you back! Cheers! That happened to several people. Email me so I can look up the ban and discuss it with the mod who did it. Will do, when I get home. Thanks. Will an "apology" be forthcoming??? The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations. ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997. [link to www.zetatalk.com] ZetaMax |
| ***ZetaMax*** User ID: 764450 United States09/08/2009 11:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | >> Vaccinations have been proven Quoting: Circuit BreakerReally? I'd be curious to see such "PROOF". As for polio, are you aware that the disease was in STEEP decline before they even started the vaccination for it? Note it also has not been eradicated. Same with Small Pox - and while not extant, our "loving" leaders greedily embrace stockpiles of weaponized versions of the stuff. Yellow Fever and Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever have pretty much died out without massive world-wide vaccination programs. Imagine that! So - about your "PROOF" ... Anything I or anyone else provides will just be ignored, so why don't you do the research. And while you're at it, present something that shows Polio was in STEEP decline before vaccinations began. Even if it was, that's beside the point...the vaccination helped ensure that a massive outbreak didn't reoccur. BTW, I didn't say it WAS eradicated. Learn to read and comprehend. As for "Planet X"....about your "PROOF".... FROM [link to www.wnho.net] : It also needs to be appreciated that children in developing countries are at a much greater risk of complications from vaccinations and from mercury toxicity than children in developed countries. This is because of poor nutrition, concomitant parasitic and bacterial infections and a high incidence of low birth weight in these children. We are now witnessing a disaster in African countries caused by the use of older live virus polio vaccines that has now produced an epidemic of vaccine related polio, that is, polio caused by the vaccine itself. In, fact, in some African countries, polio was not seen until the vaccine was introduced. The WHO and the "vaccinologist experts" from this country now justify a continued polio vaccination program with this dangerous vaccine on the basis that now that they have created the epidemic of polio, they cannot stop the program. In a recent article it was pointed out that this is the most deranged reasoning, since more vaccines will mean more vaccine-related cases of polio. But then, "vaccinologist" have difficulty with these "uncertainties". (Jacob JT. A developing country perspective on vaccine-associated paralytic poliomyelitis. Bulletin WHO 2004; 82: 53-58. See commentary by D.M. Salisbury at the end of the article.) The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations. ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997. [link to www.zetatalk.com] ZetaMax |
| Circuit Breaker User ID: 612979 United States09/08/2009 11:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: ***ZetaMax*** Thank you for, once again, proving "debunkers" right. A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos. |
| Circuit Breaker User ID: 612979 United States09/08/2009 11:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Circuit Breaker User ID: 612979 United States09/08/2009 11:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | FROM [link to www.wnho.net] : Quoting: ***ZetaMax***It also needs to be appreciated that children in developing countries are at a much greater risk of complications from vaccinations and from mercury toxicity than children in developed countries. This is because of poor nutrition, concomitant parasitic and bacterial infections and a high incidence of low birth weight in these children. We are now witnessing a disaster in African countries caused by the use of older live virus polio vaccines that has now produced an epidemic of vaccine related polio, that is, polio caused by the vaccine itself. In, fact, in some African countries, polio was not seen until the vaccine was introduced. The WHO and the "vaccinologist experts" from this country now justify a continued polio vaccination program with this dangerous vaccine on the basis that now that they have created the epidemic of polio, they cannot stop the program. In a recent article it was pointed out that this is the most deranged reasoning, since more vaccines will mean more vaccine-related cases of polio. But then, "vaccinologist" have difficulty with these "uncertainties". (Jacob JT. A developing country perspective on vaccine-associated paralytic poliomyelitis. Bulletin WHO 2004; 82: 53-58. See commentary by D.M. Salisbury at the end of the article.) Good job, Max. You posted evidence that doesn't support your claims. You just debunked yourself. Your post doesn't say vaccinations aren't effective. It says children in Africa are at greater risk to complications because of poor nutrition, concomitant parasitic and bacterial infections and a high incidence of low birth weight in these children. Welcome to fail. Last Edited by Circuit Breaker on 09/08/2009 12:06 PM A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos. |
| ***ZetaMax*** User ID: 764450 United States09/08/2009 12:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | FROM [link to www.wnho.net] : Quoting: Circuit BreakerIt also needs to be appreciated that children in developing countries are at a much greater risk of complications from vaccinations and from mercury toxicity than children in developed countries. This is because of poor nutrition, concomitant parasitic and bacterial infections and a high incidence of low birth weight in these children. We are now witnessing a disaster in African countries caused by the use of older live virus polio vaccines that has now produced an epidemic of vaccine related polio, that is, polio caused by the vaccine itself. In, fact, in some African countries, polio was not seen until the vaccine was introduced. The WHO and the "vaccinologist experts" from this country now justify a continued polio vaccination program with this dangerous vaccine on the basis that now that they have created the epidemic of polio, they cannot stop the program. In a recent article it was pointed out that this is the most deranged reasoning, since more vaccines will mean more vaccine-related cases of polio. But then, "vaccinologist" have difficulty with these "uncertainties". (Jacob JT. A developing country perspective on vaccine-associated paralytic poliomyelitis. Bulletin WHO 2004; 82: 53-58. See commentary by D.M. Salisbury at the end of the article.) Good job, Max. You posted evidence that doesn't support your claims. You just debunked yourself. Your post doesn't say vaccinations aren't effective. It says children in Africa are at greater risk to complications because of poor nutrition, concomitant parasitic and bacterial infections and a high incidence of low birth weight in these children. Welcome to fail. Thanks for showing that you really are a shill/provacateur in that rather than engage me in a true debate about a timely topic of extreme importance, you choose instead to split hairs and proclaim some kind of warped "victory" on nothing more than a technicality. GOOD JOB!!  Last Edited by ***ZetaMaX*** on 09/08/2009 12:18 PM The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations. ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997. [link to www.zetatalk.com] ZetaMax |
| Circuit Breaker User ID: 612979 United States09/08/2009 12:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks for showing that you really are a shill/provacateur in that rather than engage me in a true debate about a timely topic of extreme importance, you choose instead to split hairs and proclaim some kind of warped "victory" on nothing more than a technicality. Quoting: ***ZetaMax***GOOD JOB!! Thanks for showing that YOU are the TRUE shill/provacateur. You've been known to post cute little cartoons instead of engaging in a true debate. You've been known to spin and split hairs on many topics of extreme importance and then proclaim some kind of warped "victory" on nothing more than a technicality by posting more cute little cartoons claiming "Zetas right again!"...all while claiming to be a "fence sitter." GOOD JOB!! A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos. |
| Circuit Breaker User ID: 612979 United States09/08/2009 01:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | here! Quoting: andrewwanted to share this with you all when TSHTF, handy: [link to rapidshare.com] - Preparations, misc. [link to rapidshare.com] - Food, Gardening [link to rapidshare.com] - wild edibles catalog [link to rapidshare.com] - Water [link to rapidshare.com] - Health [link to rapidshare.com] - Misc.Tips (Building, Household, Fire etc) [link to rapidshare.com] - Energy [link to rapidshare.com] - Examples of Retreats and Communities download from Rapidshare!  Probably good information to keep in mind when preparing for a typical disaster. But none of it will do you much good in the event of some rapid "pole shift" that supposedly occurs in the course of three hours. A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos. |
| J.William Dell User ID: 12576  Canada09/08/2009 01:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Menow User ID: 765814 United States09/08/2009 02:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 765864  United Kingdom09/08/2009 02:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nancy does not dictate what I think. All I do is keep an open mind - about MANY things. I simply resist the efforts of YOU and your kind, to have me conform to your way of "thinking" (if you can call it that) with juvenile tactics. Quoting: ***ZetaMax***Plain and simple. Nancy is a bare-faced compulsive liar whose live revolves around finding poorly shot crappy images which sshe caqb post on to her ugly web pages. Which very few people visit - would you?? BIG thnings require BBBBIIIIGGGG PFOOF |
| Circuit Breaker User ID: 612979 United States09/08/2009 02:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hi JW. I wonder.. have you have tried to post your current views to Nancy recently? Quoting: Menow 765814I'll have to admit...I'm curious to know. I wasn't a "member" of ZetaTalk. Just someone who read it and had questions...which Nancy answered at first. But when those questions became too difficult for her to answer, she told me to go drown. Nancy, to this day, maintains that Dell was successful in imaging "Planet X." It would be really interesting to see what she has to say about him coming forward and saying it was not. I wouldn't be surprised if she simply claimed that the government got to Dell and is putting the squeeze on him. A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos. |
| ***ZetaMax*** User ID: 764450 United States09/08/2009 02:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hi JW. I wonder.. have you have tried to post your current views to Nancy recently? Quoting: Circuit BreakerI'll have to admit...I'm curious to know. I wasn't a "member" of ZetaTalk. Just someone who read it and had questions...which Nancy answered at first. But when those questions became too difficult for her to answer, she told me to go drown. Nancy, to this day, maintains that Dell was successful in imaging "Planet X." It would be really interesting to see what she has to say about him coming forward and saying it was not. I wouldn't be surprised if she simply claimed that the government got to Dell and is putting the squeeze on him. >> I wouldn't be surprised if she simply claimed that the government got to Dell and is putting the squeeze on him. Could be! The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations. ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997. [link to www.zetatalk.com] ZetaMax |
| Circuit Breaker User ID: 612979 United States09/08/2009 02:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| J.William Dell User ID: 12576 Canada09/08/2009 03:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hi JW. I wonder.. have you have tried to post your current views to Nancy recently? Quoting: MenowMenow; Don't think I need to. I'm sure this thread is read. I'll have to admit...I'm curious to know. I wasn't a "member" of ZetaTalk. Just someone who read it and had questions...which Nancy answered at first. But when those questions became too difficult for her to answer, she told me to go drown. Nancy, to this day, maintains that Dell was successful in imaging "Planet X." It would be really interesting to see what she has to say about him coming forward and saying it was not. I wouldn't be surprised if she simply claimed that the government got to Dell and is putting the squeeze on him. Quoting: Circuit Breaker1) Perhaps at some point, the "zetas" will respond to my statements. 2) I now work as a videographer and am much more aware of imaging issues. Noise is always a problem in low light. The "noise" that we picked up from the fits images was what we were tracking. The only true "moving object" we imaged was an asteroid we picked up sometime in the November (if memory serves me)images. There is a noticable difference between an actual object and noise. The lack of Planet X flyby on or about May 15 2003 supports my present statement as well. 3) Which government? ;o) Seriously though, I work for myself and have my own business's in Canada. 4) My conscience put the squeeze on me and I would like to repair some of the damage I helped create. Some of the "members" have had a tough time getting through all this, such as Tristan F and others. New people deserve to know what was going on and the failure of the predictions so they don't get caught up in this hoax. Kindest Regards JWD |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 719433 United States09/08/2009 04:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 765995 United Kingdom09/08/2009 05:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 765995 United Kingdom09/08/2009 05:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 753766 United States09/08/2009 07:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | >> there is no comparison whatsoever between your flu shots example and a FAILED INTERNET CULT LIEDer from Wisconsin Quoting: ***ZetaMax***Yes there is, it's called mindlessly and unquestioningly buying into the consensus opinion woven by the "establishment". Just more spin. Vaccinations have been proven to work. Vaccinations helped eradicate Polio in this country. "Planet X" has NOT been proven to exist. However, your statement can also apply to Nancy Lieder because she expects her followers to mindlessly and unquestionably buy into the consensus opinion woven by the "establishment" consisting of her and the "Zetas." If you question her on anything for which she has no answer or that requires evidence from her, she immediately declares that you were sent by the government to discredit her. If Nancy were giving out Swine Flu vaccinations, that she claimed were given to her by the "Zetas," I can almost guarantee you'd be the first in line to get one. >> Vaccinations have been proven Really? I'd be curious to see such "PROOF". As for polio, are you aware that the disease was in STEEP decline before they even started the vaccination for it? Note it also has not been eradicated. Same with Small Pox - and while not extant, our "loving" leaders greedily embrace stockpiles of weaponized versions of the stuff. Yellow Fever and Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever have pretty much died out without massive world-wide vaccination programs. Imagine that! So - about your "PROOF" ... Where's your PROOF that vaccines for polio and smallpox had nothing to do with the dramatic decrease in incidences of these two diseases? Cough up some statistics. |
| ***ZetaMax*** User ID: 764450 United States09/08/2009 07:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ZM Quoting: Anonymous Coward 765995/quote] So. DO YOU BELIEVE THAT PLANET X AS DESCRIBED BY NANCY EXISTS? Yes, or No would suffice. No The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations. ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997. [link to www.zetatalk.com] ZetaMax |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 765995 United Kingdom09/08/2009 08:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| ***ZetaMax*** User ID: 659599 United States09/08/2009 09:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ZM Quoting: Anonymous Coward 765995/quote] So. DO YOU BELIEVE THAT PLANET X AS DESCRIBED BY NANCY EXISTS? Yes, or No would suffice. No We're winning................................................... Sleep tight.  I've ALWAYS maintained that "belief" was not necessary. I am a FENCE SITTER. I "believe" neither Nancy, NOR THE DEBUNKERS.  The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations. ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997. [link to www.zetatalk.com] ZetaMax |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 705842 United States09/08/2009 10:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ZM Quoting: ***ZetaMax***/quote] So. DO YOU BELIEVE THAT PLANET X AS DESCRIBED BY NANCY EXISTS? Yes, or No would suffice. No We're winning................................................... Sleep tight. :dwagain: I've ALWAYS maintained that "belief" was not necessary. I am a FENCE SITTER. I "believe" neither Nancy, NOR THE DEBUNKERS. :onfence: In other words, you're too wimpy and unsure of your own thoughts to take a stand. I understand. |
| The Lone Ranger (OP) User ID: 760616  New Zealand09/08/2009 11:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Furthermore, can you give any example of compassion on the part of Herr Lieder? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 765995Herr Lieder? .........  Life Is But A Dream!! Therefore, "'Tis better to have dreamed and lost than never to have dreamed at all." ------------------------------------ Disclaimer: DON'T BELIEVE A DAMN WORD YOU READ ON THIS THREAD!....USE DISCERNMENT!! |
| The Lone Ranger (OP) User ID: 760616 New Zealand09/08/2009 11:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've ALWAYS maintained that "belief" was not necessary. I am a FENCE SITTER. I "believe" neither Nancy, NOR THE DEBUNKERS. Quoting: ***ZetaMax***To correct the record, Melfy, you actually claimed to be a Fence Shitter.  Life Is But A Dream!! Therefore, "'Tis better to have dreamed and lost than never to have dreamed at all." ------------------------------------ Disclaimer: DON'T BELIEVE A DAMN WORD YOU READ ON THIS THREAD!....USE DISCERNMENT!! |
