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_Billy Madison_

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Don't hate because I don't take main stream media sources seriously. All the internet will provide are some half-assed scientific articles about utter bullshit.
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_


Nonsense. The internet has LOTS of nice resources about astronomical things. You have just bought in to the "NASA means never a straight answer" bullshit.

Even if I'm wrong and earth doesn't experience periodic cataclysms, with the current mindset of people I encounter on a daily basis it's only a matter of time until we destroy earth.

Instead of nitpicking every little detail, try and see the bigger picture here.

 Quoting: _Billy Madison_


That is EXACTLY how Nancy Lieder, et al, have foisted their hoaxes on the public... Ignore the DETAILS and fall for the mountain of innuendo. You are STILL falling for it!


Change is coming in our life times whether u believe so or not. Maybe it will be a pole shift, maybe it will be nuclear Armageddon, maybe it will be overpopulation, maybe it will be disease, maybe it will be due to resource depletion. The cause doesn't matter, what matters is change.

 Quoting: _Billy Madison_


This has been true since the beginning of time. Get a grip.

Every great civilization has fallen, what makes u think we are any different, maybe NOW is the time to start working on helping each other and making the world a better place rather than discouraging people for reading between the lines. WIse up mate.. look around at whats happening in the world, the violence, the hate, the poverty, the weather, the earthquakes. It's all related. Humanity is so arrogant its unbelievable, there are bigger things happening right now than you and me.

Tell me what causes the weakening jet stream, the MASSIVE increase in earthquakes,
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_


Sorry. Not happening.


the increasingly erratic weather, the increase in fireballs, the increase in albinism amongst animals (see white buffalo prophecy, the increase in mutated frogs, the increase in volcanism, the increase in sink holes, the sinking of India. Sure there are human related causes, but its bigger than that.. If I'm wrong and in 10 years time and the world has undergone no drastic changes, then i will happily eat my words but at the moment I'm basing my beliefs on personally observed changes that have occurred through out my life time, I'm just reading between the lines. Hopefully this time we will learn from past mistakes before its too late.
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_



Again... get a grip. Get off the internet for a while, maybe.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20098721


You fail to address ANYTHING!! *Sigh*

Get a grip? I should tell you to WAKE UP and look around you. I honestly pity you for not being able to perceive reality as it really is.

Your really a typical skeptic, no desire for intellectual conversation , instead just insults. But what more can i expect from a backward race of hairless apes??

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Change is coming in our life times whether u believe so or not. Maybe it will be a pole shift, maybe it will be nuclear Armageddon, maybe it will be overpopulation, maybe it will be disease, maybe it will be due to resource depletion. The cause doesn't matter, what matters is change.

 Quoting: _Billy Madison_


This has been true since the beginning of time. Get a grip.

Yes it has and we civilizations have fallen, Egypt, Mesopotamia, Rome.... Next = America.... Enjoy your rubbish economy!!

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Yes, the pole shift idea is horseshit- Einstein notwithstanding. Every single supposed evidence behind it seems to be utterly baseless.
 Quoting: Menow 20098721


Obviously u know nothing of geology as there have been changes in the flow of lava which flows to align with magnetic north (due to the iron content)... What does this indicate?? Funny these changes roughly line up with the supposed orbit of "planet x"...
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_


No, it doesn't. Seen it debated many times. If Dr Postman was still around he would take you up on that bit. Maybe someone else here wants to. I won't go to the trouble. Go ahead and present your info, if you want.

It has been recorded in folk lore for Millennia. Hopi Indian prophecy of the red kachina, Jewish exodus, oahspe book, Many psychics and visionaries have predicted a pole shift, most notably Edgar Cayce..
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_


Yep- for the 1980s. So why didn't it happen? Actually, that sort of stuff originally got me interested in the subject. There does seem to be a big push on that idea from somewhere- not sure where. It seems to have no basis in fact, however.


Funny that the Jewish exodus lines up with the Santorini eruption which wiped out the Minoan civilization, around 1600 BC...

To each their own mate!! Maybe you could spread some love, not hate!
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_


Maybe you should go fuck yourself. Challenging false info is not "spreading hate".
 Quoting: Menow 20098721


"Maybe you should go fuck yourself"...... Well done mate, how mature are you?

 Quoting: _Billy Madison_


Let's see... you accused me of "spreading hate". Allow me to repeat my appropriate response: Go fuck yourself.


"Yep- for the 1980s. So why didn't it happen? Actually, that sort of stuff originally got me interested in the subject. There does seem to be a big push on that idea from somewhere- not sure where. It seems to have no basis in fact, however."

^^^ regarding this.... Try and take the underlying message that correlates through out all the prophecies, rather than focusing on the details. Edgar Cayce was a man, mistakes are to be expected. Don't forget that predictions are probabilities with the outcomes being effected by many differing influences, keep this in mind before discrediting things so hastily.

 Quoting: _Billy Madison_


So... how long am I supposed to wait for this failed prophecy to occur? Bear in mind that I have quite a lot of experience with channeled entities and failed predictions. There has been an obvious push on this idea. Why? I don't know.


resist

EDIT: You are happy to belittle people for having believed Nancy when you yourself admit that Edgar Cayce type stuff originally sparked your interest in this subject matter, I see little to no difference here as Both Edgar and Nancy are making similar claims!!!

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 Quoting: _Billy Madison_


I did NOT "belittle" anyone until *I* was told that I should have behaved differently. Pay attention!
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Don't hate because I don't take main stream media sources seriously. All the internet will provide are some half-assed scientific articles about utter bullshit.
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_


Nonsense. The internet has LOTS of nice resources about astronomical things. You have just bought in to the "NASA means never a straight answer" bullshit.

Even if I'm wrong and earth doesn't experience periodic cataclysms, with the current mindset of people I encounter on a daily basis it's only a matter of time until we destroy earth.

Instead of nitpicking every little detail, try and see the bigger picture here.

 Quoting: _Billy Madison_


That is EXACTLY how Nancy Lieder, et al, have foisted their hoaxes on the public... Ignore the DETAILS and fall for the mountain of innuendo. You are STILL falling for it!


Change is coming in our life times whether u believe so or not. Maybe it will be a pole shift, maybe it will be nuclear Armageddon, maybe it will be overpopulation, maybe it will be disease, maybe it will be due to resource depletion. The cause doesn't matter, what matters is change.

 Quoting: _Billy Madison_


This has been true since the beginning of time. Get a grip.

Every great civilization has fallen, what makes u think we are any different, maybe NOW is the time to start working on helping each other and making the world a better place rather than discouraging people for reading between the lines. WIse up mate.. look around at whats happening in the world, the violence, the hate, the poverty, the weather, the earthquakes. It's all related. Humanity is so arrogant its unbelievable, there are bigger things happening right now than you and me.

Tell me what causes the weakening jet stream, the MASSIVE increase in earthquakes,
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_


Sorry. Not happening.


the increasingly erratic weather, the increase in fireballs, the increase in albinism amongst animals (see white buffalo prophecy, the increase in mutated frogs, the increase in volcanism, the increase in sink holes, the sinking of India. Sure there are human related causes, but its bigger than that.. If I'm wrong and in 10 years time and the world has undergone no drastic changes, then i will happily eat my words but at the moment I'm basing my beliefs on personally observed changes that have occurred through out my life time, I'm just reading between the lines. Hopefully this time we will learn from past mistakes before its too late.
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_



Again... get a grip. Get off the internet for a while, maybe.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20098721


You fail to address ANYTHING!! *Sigh*

Get a grip? I should tell you to WAKE UP and look around you. I honestly pity you for not being able to perceive reality as it really is.

Your really a typical skeptic, no desire for intellectual conversation , instead just insults. But what more can i expect from a backward race of hairless apes??
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_



"You fail to address ANYTHING!"

See those bits between where I quoted parts of your post? That is where I addressed what you said. Try again?
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Yes it has and we civilizations have fallen, Egypt, Mesopotamia, Rome.... Next = America.... Enjoy your rubbish economy!!
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When did we begin to discuss the American economy? Are you having a conversation with someone who is not here?
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"You fail to address ANYTHING!"

See those bits between where I quoted parts of your post? That is where I addressed what you said. Try again?

Saying "get a grip" does not constitute addressing an issue.. I'm sorry my words here are being wasted.

Enjoy wallowing in your own mess of skepticism and close-mindedness. It was a pleasure chatting, but i better get off the internet for a while, like you so kindly pointed out..

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Obvious to anyone who knows the first thing about science, logic or astronomy, OR IS WILLING TO STUDY THOSE THINGS.
 Quoting: Menow 20098721


I guess this does not include the majority of the Ningsters then..

I consider that a non-answer. Did you just not THINK about the "explanations" Nancy trotted out?
 Quoting: Menow 20098721


Of course I did think about them... and many of them follow rational paths.

Nancy provided many claims that are imaginnable (like her descriptions about ET lifeforms or what they might be like) and sometimes even realistic (like the thought of some organisation-structure that would develop over time, given that an intelligent species came to some conclusions previously.), though on the contrary totally absurd and clearly wrong claims aswell.


Well, that could explain it. It's just that every bit of nonsense Nancy uttered was thoroughly debunked. I suppose you just refused to read anything which countered her?
 Quoting: Menow 20098721


Nope. I did read these "debunked" claims, however I also noticed that a lot of ego and battles were involved which lowered the overall credibility of these "debunked claims" as I explained them to myself of a pure emotional background at that time.

Which btw is the reason why I think its so important to remain as objective as possible about these matters as there are other people fooled by this aswell.

I see... you don't think it matters whether people use their brains or not... Nothing matters.. No choices are better than any other choices. You're one of those "it's all good" people. Sheesh! I suppose that's how you ended up being sucked in by Nancy, hmm?
 Quoting: Menow 20098721


Um. How do you come to the conclusion that I think it doesn't matter if people use their brains or not? And what is a "it's all good" person, and how do you come to this assumption if I may ask?

Billy mentioned some non-factual-evidence.
 Quoting: Menow 20098721


Billy mentioned some aspects that rang true for me. (The concepts of densities, awakening etc..)

I see... you are devoid of emotional response? Get real.
 Quoting: Menow 20098721


Nope. Never claimed that... The point is that sometimes it needs to be pointed out because not everyone can read between the lines to interpret statements in a more objective way.
Im not devoid(denying) my human-nature. Not at all.
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"You fail to address ANYTHING!"

See those bits between where I quoted parts of your post? That is where I addressed what you said. Try again?

Saying "get a grip" does not constitute addressing an issue.. I'm sorry my words here are being wasted.

Enjoy wallowing in your own mess of skepticism and close-mindedness. It was a pleasure chatting, but i better get off the internet for a while, like you so kindly pointed out..

peace
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Enjoy ignoring 95% of what I said and pretending that one brief quip was all I had to say.
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Obvious to anyone who knows the first thing about science, logic or astronomy, OR IS WILLING TO STUDY THOSE THINGS.
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I guess this does not include the majority of the Ningsters then..
 Quoting: More about Tunnel-Vision 20081569


Obviously, but several of us are curious about your specific mindset. We are just incredulous that anyone who has any modicum of intelligence could be taken in by Nancy's story.

I consider that a non-answer. Did you just not THINK about the "explanations" Nancy trotted out?
 Quoting: Menow 20098721


Of course I did think about them... and many of them follow rational paths.
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No, they didn't. They required that you steadfastly ignore all rational input from other sources and listen ONLY to Nancy. It's cult-stuff, for sure.

Nancy provided many claims that are imaginnable (like her descriptions about ET lifeforms or what they might be like) and sometimes even realistic (like the thought of some organisation-structure that would develop over time, given that an intelligent species came to some conclusions previously.), though on the contrary totally absurd and clearly wrong claims aswell.


Well, that could explain it. It's just that every bit of nonsense Nancy uttered was thoroughly debunked. I suppose you just refused to read anything which countered her?
 Quoting: Menow 20098721


Nope. I did read these "debunked" claims, however I also noticed that a lot of ego and battles were involved which lowered the overall credibility of these "debunked claims" as I explained them to myself of a pure emotional background at that time.
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So you ignored all of the factual info offered and focused on the moments when people got frustrated and got a bit reactionary? Didn't you see where Nancy repeatedly got nasty herself?

Which btw is the reason why I think its so important to remain as objective as possible about these matters as there are other people fooled by this aswell.

I see... you don't think it matters whether people use their brains or not... Nothing matters.. No choices are better than any other choices. You're one of those "it's all good" people. Sheesh! I suppose that's how you ended up being sucked in by Nancy, hmm?
 Quoting: Menow 20098721


Um. How do you come to the conclusion that I think it doesn't matter if people use their brains or not? And what is a "it's all good" person, and how do you come to this assumption if I may ask?
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I don't see your words to which I responded, so I can't re-asses my comment on that bit now.

Billy mentioned some non-factual-evidence.
 Quoting: Menow 20098721


Billy mentioned some aspects that rang true for me. (The concepts of densities, awakening etc..)
 Quoting: More about Tunnel-Vision 20081569


All that is vague stuff. I'm talking about concrete factual date. Nancy's story is completely devoid of hard facts. It's just outright lies, one after the other...

I see... you are devoid of emotional response? Get real.
 Quoting: Menow 20098721


Nope. Never claimed that... The point is that sometimes it needs to be pointed out because not everyone can read between the lines to interpret statements in a more objective way.
Im not devoid(denying) my human-nature. Not at all.
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You lost me, except where there is clearly an emotional aspect of how people got sucked into Nancy's story. That is certainly true.
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Is this Planet X? Lurking Near Venus in our View?
[link to poleshift.ning.com]


Is she just extremely cautious or is she going to become rattled?

All her highlights were debunked:

Dark Twin Neumayer 3 in April
Solar eclipse in May
Venus transit in June
PX with moons in CFH-Telescope video
Dark Twin Neumayer 3 just now


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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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Is this Planet X? Lurking Near Venus in our View?
[link to poleshift.ning.com]


Is she just extremely cautious or is she going to become rattled?

All her highlights were debunked:

Dark Twin Neumayer 3 in April
Solar eclipse in May
Venus transit in June
PX with moons in CFH-Telescope video
Dark Twin Neumayer 3 just now


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Now her planet is to be seen near the Moon?!?
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Is this Planet X? Lurking Near Venus in our View?
[link to poleshift.ning.com]


Is she just extremely cautious or is she going to become rattled?

All her highlights were debunked:

Dark Twin Neumayer 3 in April
Solar eclipse in May
Venus transit in June
PX with moons in CFH-Telescope video
Dark Twin Neumayer 3 just now


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 Quoting: Hydra


The "Hawaii scope"?? Actually some sort of web cam?
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[link to poleshift.ning.com]


Is she just extremely cautious or is she going to become rattled?

All her highlights were debunked:

Dark Twin Neumayer 3 in April
Solar eclipse in May
Venus transit in June
PX with moons in CFH-Telescope video
Dark Twin Neumayer 3 just now


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 Quoting: Hydra


Now her planet is to be seen near the Moon?!?
 Quoting: Menow 20098721


Yep.

Let's look what the Zetas say to this - I'm waiting to get off the starting blocks.


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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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Is this Planet X? Lurking Near Venus in our View?
[link to poleshift.ning.com]


Is she just extremely cautious or is she going to become rattled?

All her highlights were debunked:

Dark Twin Neumayer 3 in April
Solar eclipse in May
Venus transit in June
PX with moons in CFH-Telescope video
Dark Twin Neumayer 3 just now


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 Quoting: Hydra


Now her planet is to be seen near the Moon?!?
 Quoting: Menow 20098721


Yep.

Let's look what the Zetas say to this - I'm waiting to get off the starting blocks.


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 Quoting: Hydra


My experience is that no matter how "rattled" Nancy seems or how ludicrous her current claim might be, she never fails to find a way to spin it all to make herself seem "right".
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Gawd, they absolutely STRAIN to find a way to believe what Nancy says.



[link to poleshift.ning.com]

Comment by Kris H 36 minutes ago
My other thought is maybe PX tail debris lining up and being illuminated from the Sun and Moon reflection? Who knows how close those brown orbs are, in a 2D representation.
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Gawd, they absolutely STRAIN to find a way to believe what Nancy says.



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Comment by Kris H 36 minutes ago
My other thought is maybe PX tail debris lining up and being illuminated from the Sun and Moon reflection? Who knows how close those brown orbs are, in a 2D representation.
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stupidstrong

Meaning him - not you Menow.
A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos.
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Obviously, but several of us are curious about your specific mindset. We are just incredulous that anyone who has any modicum of intelligence could be taken in by Nancy's story.
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Um okay.. this gonna be a long reply..

Im basically a regular intelligent, curious human. Specifically I initially was interested in anti-gravity tech. or the free-energy stuff... Invariably came across the alien-presence, UFOs, CCs, prophets, conspiracies and finally the 2012 Hype. Curious as we are, I went into the jungle to search for the truth, if any.
What is left, is what most of these alternative-news contain: bits of truth in a jungle of BS (HS).

Then some day I came across ZT (Dont remember how exactly). A rubbish html website with some crazy stuff written in it.
An old woman claims to be in contact with some aliens and they seem to be giving her a lot of information, several thousand sites in fact.
Whats written in it?
Seemingly unrelated and disorganized at first a structure became obvious over time and claims began to support each other, seemingly explaining a lot of questions:

What are the aliens doing here?
Why do the UFOs appear as they do, and why is the government having a certain stance to it?
Why are aliens portrayed in the media in a certain way, and what is the general mindest about extra-terrestrial life?

Then these more "spiritual" questions:

Is there something as an "awakening" going on, as seemingly hinted by many individual sources?
What could our spiritual-situation may be? And is there a something as a soul?

Finally,

Are there earth-changes going on? The weather seems getting unpredictable?
Are earthquakes on the increase or volcanoes waking up? Could this be related?

And Nancy of course provided answers to all these questions that many of us asked themselves when they came across the conspiracy theories.

Facts are constantly bended to dramatisize the situation to keep the believers in the constant belief that they are expecting what is to be expected. The USGS was claimed to be wildy downgrading, NASA claimed to be doctoring, all to have nothing but PX on the stage.

Yes it seems like a obvious-horseshit from this perspective, however this goes deeper. People ignore these matters if they percept enough correlation elsewhere (her alleged ZT accuracy which is no accuracy at all) and feel enough comfortable with the overall theories.)

(BTW: did you read the "when prophecy fails" entry on wikipedia? Thats basically what is occuring with her believers. )

What is left now?

Some concepts still relate to reality with me or are considered likely possible, such as "telepathy", that souls exist, the alien-presence, which in my opinion is undeniable nowadays with regular sightings around the world (Yes I think there are genuine sightings with some advanced technology, beside myself having an obvious sighting at local place with a couple of friends which was a personal confirmation for us,
that some awakening process seems going on globally, which seems to be related to people getting increasingly aware, intelligent, and striving for a better future,

that cropcircles are an interesting phenomena with seemingly unexplained effects. (Like bent grain, or magnetic particles found in the soil, "apical-node-elongation", although these claims would need to be analysed more closely, [link to www.bltresearch.com] , at best from more sources, anyone?).

that humans could have had contact with extra-terrestrials in the past,

that "earth changes" are seemingly on the increase and common scientific theories seem to falter. (Or does anyone found a explain-it-all as yet? "Global Warming"?

that a lot of charlatans are out there who noticed the potiential of placing baits into these areas to prey on new victims,
and its easy to fall for it even if you are an overall intelligent person.

No, they didn't. They required that you steadfastly ignore all rational input from other sources and listen ONLY to Nancy. It's cult-stuff, for sure.
 Quoting: Menow 20098721


Rational thinking is just a way of coming to our conclusions and I never really lost it. (Even though it was not "critical enough" for sure.)
However Nancy made her "construct" in a way that seems to support rational thinking. Cause and effect.
"The totally dramatizised earth changes are due to PX slowing the earths core, causing friction, heating the plates from below, heating the ocean, heating the air, blah blah..."

"The UFO's appear in a certain way to not interfere with the free-will and some other rules, and they are related to an awakening process, gradually increasing to prevent too much influence to the inhabitants of the planets."

For every question there is an answer, so Nancy presents seemingly rational explanations because she knows it is that what the human mind is asking for.

Some big quake over Plate A?
Nancy: Plate B crumbles into Plate A, because PX pushes the earths northpole, causing the famous "earth wobble" smashing the plates against each other.


A cropcircle showing a swirl?
Nancy: Depicting PX clockwise rotation in relation to Earths rotation as she stated before..


And so on...and so on..

A pile of lies, supporting one another. (Though not truely)

Nancy seemed to be familar with local plate-tectonics, astronomic questions, psychological questions, sociological questions.
Could an old woman answer so many questions? For such a long while?

The perfect wolf in sheep's clothing.


So you ignored all of the factual info offered and focused on the moments when people got frustrated and got a bit reactionary? Didn't you see where Nancy repeatedly got nasty herself?
 Quoting: Menow 20098721


Not really.. at least I dont have anything directly popping up into my mind regarding factual info that I was aware at that time.

Can you name some highlights? Im sure they'll be worthy to bring up again.

I was aware of Zetasquawk at that time, though they were often defamatory (like many others who ride on the puppy-thing) which Nancy uses to claim they're pushing a bad image of herself..


All that is vague stuff. I'm talking about concrete factual date. Nancy's story is completely devoid of hard facts. It's just outright lies, one after the other...
 Quoting: Menow 20098721


Um. Thats a little too simplistic in my mind. Afterall Nancy's BS comes from her own.. and she needs think about the questions presented to her.
There are thoughts of herself that are even going into the right direction, since she needs to do her best because she has to avoid too many lies.

Some of the thoughts about an apocalyptic scenario are quite useful. (Although I guess it was more of an achievment from the TT guys and overall people.)

However saying "one lie after another" is a little unrealistic, its more a set of lies based on bits of truth.

The bits of truth form the bait.
Lies are applied over the bait, expanding the (w)hole while supporting each other.

Keep piling and you have your "horseshit"

You lost me, except where there is clearly an emotional aspect of how people got sucked into Nancy's story. That is certainly true.
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No, they didn't. They required that you steadfastly ignore all rational input from other sources and listen ONLY to Nancy. It's cult-stuff, for sure.
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Ah, and yup. Its definetly cult-stuff. [link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Wasn't the page count higher last week? Or am I misremembering?
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It was up to 1080, then 16 pages of material were removed. No idea which.
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I think anything mentioning or including Cliff's material or website has been deleted.
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lol4me Can't say that I had honestly noticed it. But it would appear therefore that even GLP has its limits as to the kind of "crock of shit" doomsday bullshit that it will allow on any given thread. lol4me so so sad.....lol4me NOT!! that ALL reference to old Clify Boy's CRAPOLA was removed from our thread.

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Obviously, but several of us are curious about your specific mindset. We are just incredulous that anyone who has any modicum of intelligence could be taken in by Nancy's story.
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Um okay.. this gonna be a long reply..

Im basically a regular intelligent, curious human. Specifically I initially was interested in anti-gravity tech. or the free-energy stuff... Invariably came across the alien-presence, UFOs, CCs, prophets, conspiracies and finally the 2012 Hype. Curious as we are, I went into the jungle to search for the truth, if any.
What is left, is what most of these alternative-news contain: bits of truth in a jungle of BS (HS).

Then some day I came across ZT (Dont remember how exactly). A rubbish html website with some crazy stuff written in it.
An old woman claims to be in contact with some aliens and they seem to be giving her a lot of information, several thousand sites in fact.
Whats written in it?
Seemingly unrelated and disorganized at first a structure became obvious over time and claims began to support each other, seemingly explaining a lot of questions:

What are the aliens doing here?
Why do the UFOs appear as they do, and why is the government having a certain stance to it?
Why are aliens portrayed in the media in a certain way, and what is the general mindest about extra-terrestrial life?

Then these more "spiritual" questions:

Is there something as an "awakening" going on, as seemingly hinted by many individual sources?
What could our spiritual-situation may be? And is there a something as a soul?

Finally,

Are there earth-changes going on? The weather seems getting unpredictable?
Are earthquakes on the increase or volcanoes waking up? Could this be related?

And Nancy of course provided answers to all these questions that many of us asked themselves when they came across the conspiracy theories.

Facts are constantly bended to dramatisize the situation to keep the believers in the constant belief that they are expecting what is to be expected. The USGS was claimed to be wildy downgrading, NASA claimed to be doctoring, all to have nothing but PX on the stage.

Yes it seems like a obvious-horseshit from this perspective, however this goes deeper. People ignore these matters if they percept enough correlation elsewhere (her alleged ZT accuracy which is no accuracy at all) and feel enough comfortable with the overall theories.)

(BTW: did you read the "when prophecy fails" entry on wikipedia? Thats basically what is occuring with her believers. )

What is left now?

Some concepts still relate to reality with me or are considered likely possible, such as "telepathy", that souls exist, the alien-presence, which in my opinion is undeniable nowadays with regular sightings around the world (Yes I think there are genuine sightings with some advanced technology, beside myself having an obvious sighting at local place with a couple of friends which was a personal confirmation for us,
that some awakening process seems going on globally, which seems to be related to people getting increasingly aware, intelligent, and striving for a better future,

that cropcircles are an interesting phenomena with seemingly unexplained effects. (Like bent grain, or magnetic particles found in the soil, "apical-node-elongation", although these claims would need to be analysed more closely, [link to www.bltresearch.com] , at best from more sources, anyone?).

that humans could have had contact with extra-terrestrials in the past,

that "earth changes" are seemingly on the increase and common scientific theories seem to falter. (Or does anyone found a explain-it-all as yet? "Global Warming"?

that a lot of charlatans are out there who noticed the potiential of placing baits into these areas to prey on new victims,
and its easy to fall for it even if you are an overall intelligent person.

No, they didn't. They required that you steadfastly ignore all rational input from other sources and listen ONLY to Nancy. It's cult-stuff, for sure.
 Quoting: Menow 20098721


Rational thinking is just a way of coming to our conclusions and I never really lost it. (Even though it was not "critical enough" for sure.)
However Nancy made her "construct" in a way that seems to support rational thinking. Cause and effect.
"The totally dramatizised earth changes are due to PX slowing the earths core, causing friction, heating the plates from below, heating the ocean, heating the air, blah blah..."

"The UFO's appear in a certain way to not interfere with the free-will and some other rules, and they are related to an awakening process, gradually increasing to prevent too much influence to the inhabitants of the planets."

For every question there is an answer, so Nancy presents seemingly rational explanations because she knows it is that what the human mind is asking for.

Some big quake over Plate A?
Nancy: Plate B crumbles into Plate A, because PX pushes the earths northpole, causing the famous "earth wobble" smashing the plates against each other.


A cropcircle showing a swirl?
Nancy: Depicting PX clockwise rotation in relation to Earths rotation as she stated before..


And so on...and so on..

A pile of lies, supporting one another. (Though not truely)

Nancy seemed to be familar with local plate-tectonics, astronomic questions, psychological questions, sociological questions.
Could an old woman answer so many questions? For such a long while?

The perfect wolf in sheep's clothing.


So you ignored all of the factual info offered and focused on the moments when people got frustrated and got a bit reactionary? Didn't you see where Nancy repeatedly got nasty herself?
 Quoting: Menow 20098721


Not really.. at least I dont have anything directly popping up into my mind regarding factual info that I was aware at that time.

Can you name some highlights? Im sure they'll be worthy to bring up again.

I was aware of Zetasquawk at that time, though they were often defamatory (like many others who ride on the puppy-thing) which Nancy uses to claim they're pushing a bad image of herself..


All that is vague stuff. I'm talking about concrete factual date. Nancy's story is completely devoid of hard facts. It's just outright lies, one after the other...
 Quoting: Menow 20098721


Um. Thats a little too simplistic in my mind. Afterall Nancy's BS comes from her own.. and she needs think about the questions presented to her.
There are thoughts of herself that are even going into the right direction, since she needs to do her best because she has to avoid too many lies.

Some of the thoughts about an apocalyptic scenario are quite useful. (Although I guess it was more of an achievment from the TT guys and overall people.)

However saying "one lie after another" is a little unrealistic, its more a set of lies based on bits of truth.

The bits of truth form the bait.
Lies are applied over the bait, expanding the (w)hole while supporting each other.

Keep piling and you have your "horseshit"

You lost me, except where there is clearly an emotional aspect of how people got sucked into Nancy's story. That is certainly true.
 Quoting: Menow 20098721


;)
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Is this Planet X? Lurking Near Venus in our View?
[link to poleshift.ning.com]


Is she just extremely cautious or is she going to become rattled?

All her highlights were debunked:

Dark Twin Neumayer 3 in April
Solar eclipse in May
Venus transit in June
PX with moons in CFH-Telescope video
Dark Twin Neumayer 3 just now


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 Quoting: Hydra


btw: Im watching "Osage Pete" for a while now,
[link to poleshift.ning.com]
Could be a fake-support.

And "xtcpctech",
[link to poleshift.ning.com]
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Obviously, but several of us are curious about your specific mindset. We are just incredulous that anyone who has any modicum of intelligence could be taken in by Nancy's story.
 Quoting: Menow 20098721


Um okay.. this gonna be a long reply..

Im basically a regular intelligent, curious human. Specifically I initially was interested in anti-gravity tech. or the free-energy stuff... Invariably came across the alien-presence, UFOs, CCs, prophets, conspiracies and finally the 2012 Hype. Curious as we are, I went into the jungle to search for the truth, if any.
What is left, is what most of these alternative-news contain: bits of truth in a jungle of BS (HS).

Then some day I came across ZT (Dont remember how exactly). A rubbish html website with some crazy stuff written in it.
An old woman claims to be in contact with some aliens and they seem to be giving her a lot of information, several thousand sites in fact.
Whats written in it?
Seemingly unrelated and disorganized at first a structure became obvious over time and claims began to support each other, seemingly explaining a lot of questions:

What are the aliens doing here?
Why do the UFOs appear as they do, and why is the government having a certain stance to it?
Why are aliens portrayed in the media in a certain way, and what is the general mindest about extra-terrestrial life?

Then these more "spiritual" questions:

Is there something as an "awakening" going on, as seemingly hinted by many individual sources?
What could our spiritual-situation may be? And is there a something as a soul?

Finally,

Are there earth-changes going on? The weather seems getting unpredictable?
Are earthquakes on the increase or volcanoes waking up? Could this be related?

And Nancy of course provided answers to all these questions that many of us asked themselves when they came across the conspiracy theories.

Facts are constantly bended to dramatisize the situation to keep the believers in the constant belief that they are expecting what is to be expected. The USGS was claimed to be wildy downgrading, NASA claimed to be doctoring, all to have nothing but PX on the stage.

Yes it seems like a obvious-horseshit from this perspective, however this goes deeper. People ignore these matters if they percept enough correlation elsewhere (her alleged ZT accuracy which is no accuracy at all) and feel enough comfortable with the overall theories.)

(BTW: did you read the "when prophecy fails" entry on wikipedia? Thats basically what is occuring with her believers. )

What is left now?

Some concepts still relate to reality with me or are considered likely possible, such as "telepathy", that souls exist, the alien-presence, which in my opinion is undeniable nowadays with regular sightings around the world (Yes I think there are genuine sightings with some advanced technology, beside myself having an obvious sighting at local place with a couple of friends which was a personal confirmation for us,
that some awakening process seems going on globally, which seems to be related to people getting increasingly aware, intelligent, and striving for a better future,

that cropcircles are an interesting phenomena with seemingly unexplained effects. (Like bent grain, or magnetic particles found in the soil, "apical-node-elongation", although these claims would need to be analysed more closely, [link to www.bltresearch.com] , at best from more sources, anyone?).

that humans could have had contact with extra-terrestrials in the past,

that "earth changes" are seemingly on the increase and common scientific theories seem to falter. (Or does anyone found a explain-it-all as yet? "Global Warming"?

that a lot of charlatans are out there who noticed the potiential of placing baits into these areas to prey on new victims,
and its easy to fall for it even if you are an overall intelligent person.

No, they didn't. They required that you steadfastly ignore all rational input from other sources and listen ONLY to Nancy. It's cult-stuff, for sure.
 Quoting: Menow 20098721


Rational thinking is just a way of coming to our conclusions and I never really lost it. (Even though it was not "critical enough" for sure.)
However Nancy made her "construct" in a way that seems to support rational thinking. Cause and effect.
"The totally dramatizised earth changes are due to PX slowing the earths core, causing friction, heating the plates from below, heating the ocean, heating the air, blah blah..."

"The UFO's appear in a certain way to not interfere with the free-will and some other rules, and they are related to an awakening process, gradually increasing to prevent too much influence to the inhabitants of the planets."

For every question there is an answer, so Nancy presents seemingly rational explanations because she knows it is that what the human mind is asking for.

Some big quake over Plate A?
Nancy: Plate B crumbles into Plate A, because PX pushes the earths northpole, causing the famous "earth wobble" smashing the plates against each other.


A cropcircle showing a swirl?
Nancy: Depicting PX clockwise rotation in relation to Earths rotation as she stated before..


And so on...and so on..

A pile of lies, supporting one another. (Though not truely)

Nancy seemed to be familar with local plate-tectonics, astronomic questions, psychological questions, sociological questions.
Could an old woman answer so many questions? For such a long while?

The perfect wolf in sheep's clothing.


So you ignored all of the factual info offered and focused on the moments when people got frustrated and got a bit reactionary? Didn't you see where Nancy repeatedly got nasty herself?
 Quoting: Menow 20098721


Not really.. at least I dont have anything directly popping up into my mind regarding factual info that I was aware at that time.

Can you name some highlights? Im sure they'll be worthy to bring up again.

I was aware of Zetasquawk at that time, though they were often defamatory (like many others who ride on the puppy-thing) which Nancy uses to claim they're pushing a bad image of herself..


All that is vague stuff. I'm talking about concrete factual date. Nancy's story is completely devoid of hard facts. It's just outright lies, one after the other...
 Quoting: Menow 20098721


Um. Thats a little too simplistic in my mind. Afterall Nancy's BS comes from her own.. and she needs think about the questions presented to her.
There are thoughts of herself that are even going into the right direction, since she needs to do her best because she has to avoid too many lies.

Some of the thoughts about an apocalyptic scenario are quite useful. (Although I guess it was more of an achievment from the TT guys and overall people.)

However saying "one lie after another" is a little unrealistic, its more a set of lies based on bits of truth.

The bits of truth form the bait.
Lies are applied over the bait, expanding the (w)hole while supporting each other.

Keep piling and you have your "horseshit"

You lost me, except where there is clearly an emotional aspect of how people got sucked into Nancy's story. That is certainly true.
 Quoting: Menow 20098721


;)
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Thank you very much for your detailed post.

I'm going to digest it for awhile, then I might have further questions, if you are willing.

Again, thanks much.
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Earth IS mans school house. Why else are we here?
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Appeal to ignorance.
You not being able to come up with a better explanation doesn't mean there isn't one.

Also begging the question.
You presume that there must be a reason.

You want to know some psychology? maybe you should try work on dissolving the barriers in your consciousness by quieting your ego and allowing the subconscious and unconscious parts of your brain to communicate. I think every one would benefit from this exercise, not excluding my self.
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_

No mystic has ever produced new information relating to the physical world.

Nancy has never produced new 'information' relating to the physical world.
Since she's started her cult hundreds of new planets have been discovered, none of which were predicted by the 'Zetas'.

Zetatalk incorporates many spiritual concepts that have been around for a long time, relating to densities, freewill and spiritual orientation. If even such basic tenants elude you, then I think all these words I'm saying are in vain.
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_

How is that relevant to the question whether or not there is a PX, or whether the Earth is moving?

Its obvious the alien presence is a real one,
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_

It's only obvious to the I-want-to-believe crowd.

The pole shift theory also is not as "horse shit" as you seem to think..
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_

Yes it is.

as even Einstein gave the hypothesis credence, so whether valid or not it certainly isn't horseshit!!
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_

Einstein died in 1955, before we figured out plate tectonics.

Where does the delusion that Einstein was the infallible authority on every subject come from anyway?
Not from Einstein.

if we continue on our current path we will surely destroy our selves any way. We are depleting our ocean resources through over exploitation of marine ecosystems, destroying our soil through deforestation and over farming, polluting the atmosphere with toxins on a daily basis. Extracting too much ground water. This along with the current state of the planets weather and tectonic behavior is certainly cause for concern as any one capable of reading between the lines could discern.
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_

So we must change our ways.
Joining a doomsday cult cowering in fear is not doing that in a positive way.
Start by separating your recyclables and voting green.
Do something positive.



Obviously u know nothing of geology
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_

And you do? Don't make me laugh.

as there have been changes in the flow of lava which flows to align with magnetic north (due to the iron content)... What does this indicate??
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_

You are confused about paleomagnetism.
The lava flows don't align with magnetic north, the iron crystals in it do.
When lava solidifies these crystals are frozen in their position, so we can see where magnetic north was for that bit of planet when it happened.
It's solid evidence for plate tectonics.

Theoretically it would be possible for the Earth's axis to slowly tilt over a period of many a million years, but a cataclysmic shift would require so much energy that the Earth's crust would melt all the way down to the mantel.
Which means that there couldn't be any rocks older then the last pole shift if it ever happened, the oldest rocks we have are about 4 billion years old.
Don't try to use geology, it all proofs you wrong.

Funny these changes roughly line up with the supposed orbit of "planet x"...
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_

Funny how that is a lie.

It has been recorded in folk lore for Millennia. Hopi Indian prophecy of the red kachina, Jewish exodus, oahspe book, Many psychics and visionaries have predicted a pole shift, most notably Edgar Cayce.. Funny that the Jewish exodus lines up with the Santorini eruption which wiped out the Minoan civilization, around 1600 BC...
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_

Interpretation and speculation.
Since pole shift never happened it's all utterly irrelevant.

To each their own mate!! Maybe you could spread some love, not hate!
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_

We'd like you a lot more if you stopped spewing fear-mongering bullshit.
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Obviously u know nothing of geology as there have been changes in the flow of lava which flows to align with magnetic north (due to the iron content)... What does this indicate?? Funny these changes roughly line up with the supposed orbit of "planet x"...

It has been recorded in folk lore for Millennia. Hopi Indian prophecy of the red kachina, Jewish exodus, oahspe book, Many psychics and visionaries have predicted a pole shift, most notably Edgar Cayce.. Funny that the Jewish exodus lines up with the Santorini eruption which wiped out the Minoan civilization, around 1600 BC...

To each their own mate!! Maybe you could spread some love, not hate!
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_


Sadly this does NOT show earth pole changes as nancy and her ilk depict (ie physical `flipping' of the planet- in fact it nullifies it entirely as the field would flip with the planet and there would be no changes to record...)

It does support the internal magnetic dynamo theory and surprisingly enough the same theory supports the suns magnetic field- which actually changes every 11 years (approximately)- so we have even observed these `pole shifts' in action!!!

Like many, you seem to be confusing the rotational axis `poles' with the magnetic poles- this is very common amongst the woowoo's, but I first learned the difference when I was in my preteens at cubs, when we were doing orienteering (map reading with compasses) and learned the difference between the north pole and the magnetic north pole-and the hows and whys of how it worked- that was back in the 70's so it was known then....
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I have yet to see a Nancybot who understands the difference between magnetic and rotational poles.

A solid 10th grade education would immediately reveal 99.99 percent of her ramblings as the ridiculous claptrap they are.

The first half of the 11th grade would take care of the remaining 0.01 percent.
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Earth IS mans school house. Why else are we here?
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Appeal to ignorance.
You not being able to come up with a better explanation doesn't mean there isn't one.

Also begging the question.
You presume that there must be a reason.

You want to know some psychology? maybe you should try work on dissolving the barriers in your consciousness by quieting your ego and allowing the subconscious and unconscious parts of your brain to communicate. I think every one would benefit from this exercise, not excluding my self.
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_

No mystic has ever produced new information relating to the physical world.

Nancy has never produced new 'information' relating to the physical world.
Since she's started her cult hundreds of new planets have been discovered, none of which were predicted by the 'Zetas'.

Zetatalk incorporates many spiritual concepts that have been around for a long time, relating to densities, freewill and spiritual orientation. If even such basic tenants elude you, then I think all these words I'm saying are in vain.
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_

How is that relevant to the question whether or not there is a PX, or whether the Earth is moving?

Its obvious the alien presence is a real one,
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_

It's only obvious to the I-want-to-believe crowd.

The pole shift theory also is not as "horse shit" as you seem to think..
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_

Yes it is.

as even Einstein gave the hypothesis credence, so whether valid or not it certainly isn't horseshit!!
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_

Einstein died in 1955, before we figured out plate tectonics.

Where does the delusion that Einstein was the infallible authority on every subject come from anyway?
Not from Einstein.

if we continue on our current path we will surely destroy our selves any way. We are depleting our ocean resources through over exploitation of marine ecosystems, destroying our soil through deforestation and over farming, polluting the atmosphere with toxins on a daily basis. Extracting too much ground water. This along with the current state of the planets weather and tectonic behavior is certainly cause for concern as any one capable of reading between the lines could discern.
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_

So we must change our ways.
Joining a doomsday cult cowering in fear is not doing that in a positive way.
Start by separating your recyclables and voting green.
Do something positive.
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD




>> So we must change our ways.
Joining a doomsday cult cowering in fear is not doing that in a positive way.
Start by separating your recyclables and voting green. Do something positive.


I'm positively LAUGHING!!! laugh

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These poleshit ning monkeys are really full of nonsense and shit. They simply dont understand that some changes are a fact of life and history. There is nothing special about that.

Besides that they are still running like monkeys behind the always failing prophecies of crazy Nancy Liar. The list of her failed predictions is as long that you could write a book about it. The newest hoax is again on their page, only proving that nobody there has some basic astronomic skills.

These people live in a crazy world of a sect that really made them freaking out. But instead of recognizing how dumb their behaviour is - that is called brainwashed - they trying to hide themselves behind generalizstions without any value, like so many eartchquakes, so many albinos, so many voices in my head: I must be contacted.

If they took a closer look at that data they could easily find out that this is a quite normal circumstance of our contemporary history and earth evolution. There is nothing special about that.

And of course there is no Nibiru or Moon Swirl or brain wobble: this is only a part of their thinking and their daily paranoia. They invent things to have an excuse to tell each other more poleshit. If there was a planet like Nibiru in the inner solar system all what you expect to happen would happened ten years ago: in 2003, when Nancy`s paraonoia ended. Some stupid people simply didnt understand that it is over. So you can wait ten years, twenty years: as long as you want. The only thing you will see are more and more failed predictions of crazy gurus like Nancy Liar.
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if we continue on our current path we will surely destroy our selves any way. We are depleting our ocean resources through over exploitation of marine ecosystems, destroying our soil through deforestation and over farming, polluting the atmosphere with toxins on a daily basis. Extracting too much ground water. This along with the current state of the planets weather and tectonic behavior is certainly cause for concern as any one capable of reading between the lines could discern.
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_

So we must change our ways.
Joining a doomsday cult cowering in fear is not doing that in a positive way.
Start by separating your recyclables and voting green.
Do something positive.
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

I'm positively LAUGHING!!! laugh
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**

Do you really think that clowning around on a message board will change people's behaviour regarding how they treat the planet?

Change starts with yourself.
Change on a global scale requires political action.

Waiting for a miracle: alien intervention, the Age of Aquarius, or what ever BS, will never achieve anything.
It's running away from the problems, hiding in a fantasy because you're to cowardly to deal with reality.
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Wasn't the page count higher last week? Or am I misremembering?
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It was up to 1080, then 16 pages of material were removed. No idea which.
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I think anything mentioning or including Cliff's material or website has been deleted.
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melfy is a shill for cliff high...BAN the shilling, lying troll!
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Wasn't the page count higher last week? Or am I misremembering?
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It was up to 1080, then 16 pages of material were removed. No idea which.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20030073


I think anything mentioning or including Cliff's material or website has been deleted.
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melfy is a shill for cliff high...BAN the shilling, lying troll!
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Cliff's material was removed because of what Cliff wrote on his own website - I have no control over, and was not party to ANY of that.

I am INNOCENT of any and all wrong-doing.
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if we continue on our current path we will surely destroy our selves any way. We are depleting our ocean resources through over exploitation of marine ecosystems, destroying our soil through deforestation and over farming, polluting the atmosphere with toxins on a daily basis. Extracting too much ground water. This along with the current state of the planets weather and tectonic behavior is certainly cause for concern as any one capable of reading between the lines could discern.
 Quoting: _Billy Madison_

So we must change our ways.
Joining a doomsday cult cowering in fear is not doing that in a positive way.
Start by separating your recyclables and voting green.
Do something positive.
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

I'm positively LAUGHING!!! laugh
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**

Do you really think that clowning around on a message board will change people's behaviour regarding how they treat the planet?

Change starts with yourself.
Change on a global scale requires political action.

Waiting for a miracle: alien intervention, the Age of Aquarius, or what ever BS, will never achieve anything.
It's running away from the problems, hiding in a fantasy because you're to cowardly to deal with reality.
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 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


>> Do you really think that clowning around on a message board will change people's behaviour regarding how they treat the planet?

I'm reminded of Jeff Goldblum's character in the 1996 movie "Independance Day" - worrying about aluminum can recycling when ALIENS are invading the world and preparing to completely exterminate humanity!

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