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Einstein wasn't god.

He was wrong about this.

Einstein was a socialist, a Zionist, a deists, and many other things.
Are these things true just because a very smart person used to believe in them?

Dr. Astro, here is a quote by Velikovsky for you to think:

"A law is but a deduction from facts, therefore the laws must conform to the historical facts and not the facts to the laws."

Well you believe what your scientists tell you, obviously... And who is a better scientist than Einstein, surely you don't think your self to be more intelligent than him?

Are you denying that Einstein was a genius?? The most famous genius of the modern era, revolutionized the way we look at time and space...?

I'm just saying that the idea is obviously NOT foolish, are you saying that Einstein is foolish and you are not?

And I have nothing against any of those beliefs. There is no night in Zion

"We have never solved the mystery of ice ages in the
tropics, nor the equally strange mystery of the growth of
corals and warm-climate flora in the polar zones. There is a
dispute as to whether the present climatic zones have existed
continuously from the earth's beginning. If so, we cannot
account at all for the greater part of the fossils of plants and animals of the past that did not live within the limits of the present zones. If the zones have not continuously existed, no one has been able to show what factor can have operated to
even out temperatures from pole to pole" - The earths shifting crust, Charles Hapgood.

Oh dear... Please learn this guys (once and for all):
Relevant is the message NOT the messenger.

Regardless who claimed it, wether Einstein, Zweistein, Dreistein or Vierstein - EVERYONE can be wrong, comprende?

Fuck this shit. You guys obviously still haven't learned to figure things out for yourselves and need to cling to some authorities who you think might be right.



It doesn't work that way that you come here with some horseshit and expect us to debunk it because YOU think it might be true.



I guess you know the "strong conditioning by autocratic schools and universities" because you attended there?
How far did you got there if I may ask?


Proof or it didn't happen.
YOU show us the proof not the other way round.
Show us first why Velikovsky is to be taken serious and why he isn't accepted by the scientific community..that way you can't avoid to deal with more sides of the stories aka the consensus on the matter.



A few thousand kilometers? Are you speaking about the offset or the area of fracture?
Or - how did you came to that "number" at all?? Where's your records?

Please attend to some semesters in Geology and tell me again "it's not sophisticated science"..(btw, if you want I invite you to come to the university here in FFM so I can show you what "layman-stuff" we do.

Again, if it is so obvious that crustal shifts happened, where's that evidence if I may ask?
(Please don't tell me I need to read this and that, because I want to hear it from YOU.)



I always wonder why you guys assume "prophecy" to be more accurate than physical proof that you can figure out HERE AND NOW?
Oh yeah.. you'd have to give up wishful thinking..



Exactly. They seemingly have no clues about the dynamics involved.
A >8Mag already equals 40*10^16 J...(1J=3600Wh)..

The magnitude-scale is logarithmic...so question to you guys (kiwi and that german guy):
Is it possible that we experience, for example Mag 12 quakes?
How much tension or pressure can a certain rock withstand?
How much shear can it take?
How does rock behave in relation to temperature/pressure?

Tell me.. That way we can see if you understand the limitations involved and why a crustal shift would clearly leave its marks.

After that you can point me to those rocks and their geologic timeframe where you assume the remaints of that "crustal-shift"...
lets see



It may not be foolish, but it ain't consistent either.
Beside its totally irrelevant to the content which matters.

Last Edited by MoreAboutTunnelVision on 05/10/2013 08:25 AM

Albert Einstein was a very polite person on the one hand but also a humorous and very ironic person on the other hand:

A famous actress once suggests to Einstein: "What do you say, professor, shouldn't we have a baby together: what a child it would be - my looks and your intelligence!"
Einsteins reply: "Dear lady, what if it is the other way around?"
or
"The wireless telegraph is not difficult to understand.
The ordinary telegraph is like a very long cat. You pull the tail in New York, and it meows in Los Angeles.
The wireless is the same, only without the cat."


Regarding this, you have to see Einsteins letter to Velikovsky in an altogether different light, reading between the lines.
This letter is simply Einsteins polite way, to tell Velikovsky, that he [Velikovsky] is a complete idiot.

It's also funny, that all the Velikovsky-tards (and McCanney-Tards, ...) quote only the first part of the letter.
Sure, the second part wouldn't fit their preconceived opinion.


July 8, 1946

Dear Mr. Velikovsky:

I have read the whole book about the planet Venus. There is much of interest in the book which proves that in fact catastrophes have taken place which must be attributed to extraterrestrial causes. [Like the Chicxulub impactor, that killed the dinosaurs]
However it is evident to every sensible physicist that these catastrophes can have nothing to do with the planet Venus and that also the direction of the inclination of the terrestrial axis towards the ecliptic could not have undergone a considerable change without the total destruction of the entire earth’s crust. Your arguments in this regard are so weak as opposed to the mechanical-astronomical ones, that no expert will be able to take them seriously. [Velikovsky, take some basic class in physics and orbital mechanics.]
It were best in my opinion if you would in this way revise your books, which contain truly valuable material. If you cannot decide on this, then what is valuable in your deliberations will become ineffective, and it may be difficult finding a sensible publisher who would take the risk of such a heavy fiasco upon himself.

I tell you this in writing and return to you your manuscript, since I will not be free on the considered days.

With friendly greetings, also to your daughter,

Your
Albert Einstein

If you are a little familiar with Einsteins mode of expression and style of writing, you know, that this letter is a scathing criticism of Velikovskys manuscript.
It's such an utter bullshit, that Einstein not even considered to keep it or waste a minute to discuss it with Velikovsky.


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Last Edited by Hydra on 05/10/2013 08:20 AM

I have information Einstein didn't have.


Your argument boils down to "super-smart people can never be wrong."

That's hilarious.
Aristotle thought that women have less teeth than men, just to name an example of how spectacularly wrong super-smart people can be.


Einstein is dead.

We are are better informed then he was.


So you refuse to do your own thinking.
You just pick an alleged "authority", be it Einstein or some misleader, and you accept everything they claim.
Never mind their lack of evidence.

Got it....

Astro, someone is asking for you (or in other words: he is cruising for a bruising):
Thread: Universetoday/NASA on Debunking Comet ISON Conspiracy Theories??? (last sentence of the post)




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Einstein himself admitted, that science isn't static (in his usual humorous way):

When Einstein was active as a professor, one of his students asked him: "The questions of this year's exam are the same as last years!"
Einstein replied: "Yes, but this year the answers are different."

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I've had a couple of lol moments reading the past couple of pages, I see they are on another wave of trying. Gotta give them credit for trying, and making me laugh.

WOW - Nibiru / Second Sun with a hole in it:

[link to spaceweather.com]

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Thx Hydra .........

Well, here you see the reality. There are no moon swirls or Nibirus or other stupid things out there. For the Ningtards this must be hard to understand because they are used to their daily lenseflare soap operas which are a real laugh.
This is the difference between real astronomy and superstition. Nancy`s lies are again more than obvious. The cult people are living in a land of fantasy, blind belief, nescience and fatal stupidity. Such things make the fanatic cult of Nancy Lieder so dangerous. The abuse is everywhere.
Zwaan should stop this fraud and close the Ning. Only three days left and Nancy is celebrating ten years of hoaxes and bloody lies. May the solar eclipse wake her blind followers up and “enlighten” them.

The Kolbrin is a hoax pushed by Marshall Masters and James McCanney among others.

The prophecies of Mother Shipton are also a hoax.

I heard about her a couple of years ago on here, decided to check it out and found not one of her predictions has come to pass. Why do people fall for it ?

Almost all her usually referenced "prophecies" are hoaxes written long after the time period in which she allegedly lived.

Please do tell us who Mother Shipton is and what her background is.

That's standard operating procedure here for "hater" sites. I don't understand why this didn't happen years ago. Nancy was actually attacking GLP while she was still a mod here.

[link to www.museumofhoaxes.com]

"Mother Shipton’s prophecies are hoaxes, because it now appears that almost all of them were written by others after the events they described had already happened. For instance, the first record of her prophecy about Cardinal Wolsey dates from 1641, long after the man had died. Her prophecies about future technology, and about the world coming to an end in 1881, first appeared in print in the 1862 edition of her sayings, and Charles Hindley, the editor of that edition, later admitted that he had composed them.

The existence of Mother Shipton herself is uncertain. Her 1684 biographer, Richard Head, apparently invented most of the details of her life. In fact, she may never have existed outside of Yorkshire legend."

It seems people like to interpret prophecies to suit themselves and their theories.
The quantrains came to mind when I wrote that.

Thank Hydra, those were some funny anecdotes about Einstein.

Don't forget that he also wrote the foreword for Hapgoods book on crustal displacement, so its obvious Einstein had a considerable interest in the topic of cataclysms on earth, which I'm sure we can all begin to agree on now, have happened..

There are so many unexplained phenomena...

Like the mammoths.... From Velikovsy..

"In 1797 the body of a mammoth, with flesh, skin, and hair, was found in northeastern Siberia. The flesh had the appearance of freshly frozen beef; it was edible, and wolves and sled dogs fed on it without harm. The ground must have been frozen ever since the day of their entombment; had it not been frozen, the bodies of the mammoths would have putrefied in a single summer, but they remained unspoiled for some thousands of years. In some mammoths, when discovered, even the eyeballs were still preserved.

(All) this shows that the cold became suddenly extreme .. and knew no relenting afterward. In the stomachs and between the teeth of the mammoths were found plants and grasses that do not grow now in northern Siberia .. (but are) .. now found in southern Siberia. Microscopic examination of the skin showed red blood corpuscles, which was proof not only of a sudden death, but that the death was due to suffocation either by gases or water." - Earth in upheaval

But wait there is more. So much more unexplained phenomena there a whole books about it.

"Bones of whale have been found 440 feet above sea level, north of Lake Ontario; a skeleton of another whale was discovered in Vermont, more than 500 feet above sea level; and still another in the Montreal- Quebec area, about 600 feet above sea level. Although the Humphrey whale and beluga occasionally enter the mouth of the St. Lawrence, they do not climb hills." - Earth in upheaval

What of the pyramids in Bimini?? Under the water... Tales of Atlantis, Mu, Lemuria... Where did these places go and what caused them to be lost?? Ever heard of the word, antediluvian or "before the deluge".... You know, that biblical flood..

If you use your intellect you may begin to surmise that crustal displacement, the deluge, the loss of civilizations and so many unexplained phenomena are all related

Gases or water = Siberia is full of methane, but you also have the Siberian Traps. Read up on it. That is Mother Nature.


Bones found 440 ft above sea level = mountains and land are pushed up by plate tectonics, sea creature fossils can be found on the highest mountains. That is Mother Nature.

Cities under the sea = have you heard of tsunamis ? do you think Kingston was always the capital of Jamaica ? That is Mother Nature.

Dinosaur extinction = mother nature
cataclysms = mother nature
pole shift = mother nature
Santorini eruption = mother nature


**Hapgood also indicated that the research was based on an ancient map which showed Antarctica with free flowing rivers, and paleontological data that Woolly Mammoths and other ancient animal species, have been found frozen solid with undigested vegetation in their stomachs. This suggests that a single cataclysmic event occurred with such ferocity that it killed these species in their tracts**

Mother nature is harsh -- we are not exempt, we are well overdue

"I frequently receive communications from people who wish to consult me concerning their unpublished ideas. It goes without saying that these ideas are very seldom possessed of scientific validity. The very first communication, however, that I received from Mr. Hapgood electrified me. His idea is original, of great simplicity, and - if it continues to prove itself of great importance to everything that is related to the history of the earth's surface. ... I think that this rather astonishing, even fascinating, idea deserves the serious attention of anyone who concerns himself with the theory of the earth's development." - Albert Einstein

Dinosaur extinction = not Mother Nature but an alleged asteroid, that is out of Mother Natures realm.

Cataclysm = yes, Mother Nature, Deccan Traps, Siberian Traps, to name a couple.

Pole shift = no proof it has ever happened, just pseudo science and cultist leaders theories. Magnetic Pole Shifts = Mother Nature.
Santorini = Yellowstone, Valles, Long Valley, Glencoe, Tambora, Toga, Scafell, etc = Mother Nature.

I am well aware we are overdue for an event, but that IS Mother Nature, no exterrestrial excuses are at fault here.

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Last Edited by Wispa on 05/10/2013 08:08 PM

Why are you so caught up on Einstein ? he was wrong in many ways, but still, we as modern day humans know more that he ever will.

Quoting someone all the time means you have no mind of your own and follow what you are told.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Bingo. She's about as real as Superman.