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I was doing a quick search to see where the latest zetababble was (apparently Nancy hasnt been on yet tonight)

so I went back looking at previous zetababbles

Thread: ZetaTalk on DC Metro Crash

I found this interesting (and rather revealing)

its a few months old- but while reading through it- I found this post on page 2





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6/25/2009 6:56 AM Re: ZetaTalk on DC Metro Crash Quote

Thanks for the link, great info! But if bad sensors were the problem, then how come the oncoming train DID slow and DID announce it was stopping just before it sped up and crashed?

Shows that the oncoming train DID sense the trains on the track ahead of it. Then .. suddenly no longer did sense it!

Investigators Look at 'Anomalies' in Track Circuit
June 24, 2009
[link to www.washingtonpost.com]
Investigators are focusing on a stretch of track near the site of a deadly commuter train crash after finding abnormalities in vital equipment that detects passing trains and transmits speed and stop commands. The test results raised the possibility that trains passing through that stretch could have had trouble receiving signals to stop or slow down. Equipment along a 740-foot stretch failed to recognize a device that simulates the presence of a train during the tests. Five other stretches of track, or circuits, in the area of the crash near the Maryland state line showed no problems. Investigators planned to test the track with a six-car train.







hang on- it has an nony mouse poster agreeing with nancy-

`Thanks for the link, great info!'

but why does it have O.P in bold next to nonny mouse??

hmm so I look at the originating post






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ZetaTalk Analysis 6/27/2009:
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
This is an accident that could have resulted from multiple failure points. The computer system could have faulted, failing to initiate braking. The devices on the train sensing the speed of the train could have failed. The devices on the track ahead could have failed to alert the system to the presence of a parked train. Or the braking devices on the train could have failed. We predict that all devices will be removed to a safe lab, tested, and found intact and working correctly. Systems such as this have fail safe mechanisms, and this means REDUNDANT sensing controls so that if one fails, another clicks in. It is not merely a backup, it is a great deal of redundancy, so that ALL sensing devices must have failed, simultaneously.

Could the computer have failed, simply being unaware of the speed of the train and the presence of another train on the track ahead? This evidence will be in the computer system log. We predict that the computer system readouts will show that all components of the system were sensing correctly, and the system correctly alerted the computer system. This was the case at the time the train announced it was stopping due to another on the tracks ahead. What then caused the train to RETURN to moving ahead, as though the tracks were clear? It was as though the computer system were suddenly disconnected from communications from the track ahead, yet nothing had changed. The track ahead and the position of the stopped train ahead had not changed in any manner. Yet the computer system concluded an all clear.

Clearly the brakes worked, and were responsive to the computer system. The train had slowed and announced it was stopping. The emergency manual brakes likewise worked, and were applied just ahead of the crash. So if all systems were operational, then what caused the failure? If the computer system concluded that the way ahead was clear, then the signal TRANSMITTED to the oncoming train from the tracks ahead was lost. We have mentioned the increasing problem of electro-magnetic pulse caused by the charged tail of Planet X. Where brownouts and blackouts occur, this is covered in the media by various excuses such as an overtaxed electrical system. But these pulses affect systems OTHER than the grid, as the downing of Air France 447 shows. Increasing incidences such as this will be occurring.


hang on

both posters are User ID: 710602

so why is Nancy saying `Thanks for the link, great info!'

did she forget that she herself had posted that link??

hmmmm........
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I was doing a quick search to see where the latest zetababble was (apparently Nancy hasnt been on yet tonight)

so I went back looking at previous zetababbles

Thread: ZetaTalk on DC Metro Crash

I found this interesting (and rather revealing)

its a few months old- but while reading through it- I found this post on page 2





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6/25/2009 6:56 AM Re: ZetaTalk on DC Metro Crash Quote

Thanks for the link, great info! But if bad sensors were the problem, then how come the oncoming train DID slow and DID announce it was stopping just before it sped up and crashed?

Shows that the oncoming train DID sense the trains on the track ahead of it. Then .. suddenly no longer did sense it!

Investigators Look at 'Anomalies' in Track Circuit
June 24, 2009
[link to www.washingtonpost.com]
Investigators are focusing on a stretch of track near the site of a deadly commuter train crash after finding abnormalities in vital equipment that detects passing trains and transmits speed and stop commands. The test results raised the possibility that trains passing through that stretch could have had trouble receiving signals to stop or slow down. Equipment along a 740-foot stretch failed to recognize a device that simulates the presence of a train during the tests. Five other stretches of track, or circuits, in the area of the crash near the Maryland state line showed no problems. Investigators planned to test the track with a six-car train.







hang on- it has an nony mouse poster agreeing with nancy-

`Thanks for the link, great info!'

but why does it have O.P in bold next to nonny mouse??

hmm so I look at the originating post






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ZetaTalk Analysis 6/27/2009:
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
This is an accident that could have resulted from multiple failure points. The computer system could have faulted, failing to initiate braking. The devices on the train sensing the speed of the train could have failed. The devices on the track ahead could have failed to alert the system to the presence of a parked train. Or the braking devices on the train could have failed. We predict that all devices will be removed to a safe lab, tested, and found intact and working correctly. Systems such as this have fail safe mechanisms, and this means REDUNDANT sensing controls so that if one fails, another clicks in. It is not merely a backup, it is a great deal of redundancy, so that ALL sensing devices must have failed, simultaneously.

Could the computer have failed, simply being unaware of the speed of the train and the presence of another train on the track ahead? This evidence will be in the computer system log. We predict that the computer system readouts will show that all components of the system were sensing correctly, and the system correctly alerted the computer system. This was the case at the time the train announced it was stopping due to another on the tracks ahead. What then caused the train to RETURN to moving ahead, as though the tracks were clear? It was as though the computer system were suddenly disconnected from communications from the track ahead, yet nothing had changed. The track ahead and the position of the stopped train ahead had not changed in any manner. Yet the computer system concluded an all clear.

Clearly the brakes worked, and were responsive to the computer system. The train had slowed and announced it was stopping. The emergency manual brakes likewise worked, and were applied just ahead of the crash. So if all systems were operational, then what caused the failure? If the computer system concluded that the way ahead was clear, then the signal TRANSMITTED to the oncoming train from the tracks ahead was lost. We have mentioned the increasing problem of electro-magnetic pulse caused by the charged tail of Planet X. Where brownouts and blackouts occur, this is covered in the media by various excuses such as an overtaxed electrical system. But these pulses affect systems OTHER than the grid, as the downing of Air France 447 shows. Increasing incidences such as this will be occurring.


hang on

both posters are User ID: 710602

so why is Nancy saying `Thanks for the link, great info!'

did she forget that she herself had posted that link??

hmmmm........
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 763624

I'm sure she got the link via email.
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

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Andrew stated earlier there are no contradictions with ZetaTalk. Naturally, we've shown there are. This morning I thought of another one.

Nancy claims the Earth is wobbling. She states proof of this is the failure of services reliant on satellites such as Dish Network, DirecTV and GPS, which would all be out of place if the Earth were wobbling about. However, Nancy also claims that these satellites move along with the atmosphere whenever the planet wobbles. Well, then that would mean satellite TV and GPS aren't failing because the satellites appear where they should in relation to the surface. So, which are we to believe?


It would depend on the speed and "violence" of the wobble. It's like pulling a table cloth out from a table full of dishes. If pulled "quickly" the dishes remain in place - as the sattelites would, and signal is LOST as a result. However, when the cloth (atmosphere) is pulled slowly, the dishes (satellites) move with it and the signal remains.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


Satellites are not in the atmosphere. They are not 'tied' to the Earth in any way, therefore, if your 'wobble' was true they would all be out of place.

Therefore ZetaTalk is WRONG AGAIN, as usual.
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It would depend on the speed and "violence" of the wobble. It's like pulling a table cloth out from a table full of dishes. If pulled "quickly" the dishes remain in place - as the sattelites would, and signal is LOST as a result. However, when the cloth (atmosphere) is pulled slowly, the dishes (satellites) move with it and the signal remains.
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WRONG! Where these satellites are placed in orbit, there is no atmosphere. The fact that you try to defend Nancy's non-sense and say there is, goes to show you are not a fence sitter.

ZetaMax and the "Zetas" wrong again!

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I would like to know if Andrew is old enough to remember the Cold War, etc. If he is philosophically socialist in political orientation, etc.
 Quoting: George B



Good question.
Understanding where a person is coming from, helps frame a response.

I do think he is intelligent and wishes to understand what the whole thing is about. I see an inquiring and thoughtful person.
 Quoting: George B


I agree and with further education he could turn out to be an asset to his country.

He maybe jumped on the wrong horse with the Zetas; however, most have been bamboozled at one time or another in our lives.
 Quoting: George B


(Speaking from experience)

Ya got that right ;o)


As a note;
I know there is a lot of history between the debunkers and Zetatalkers and animosity between them when addressing each other.

Being away from this for 6 years, I don't take that approach anymore. I do prefer civility when discussing issues and will attempt to adhere to that in my posts.


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I've been trying to do the same. It's difficult sometimes...especially when you can easily get attacked by the likes of User just for posting an opinion.
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It would depend on the speed and "violence" of the wobble. It's like pulling a table cloth out from a table full of dishes. If pulled "quickly" the dishes remain in place - as the sattelites would, and signal is LOST as a result. However, when the cloth (atmosphere) is pulled slowly, the dishes (satellites) move with it and the signal remains.

WRONG! Where these satellites are placed in orbit, there is no atmosphere. The fact that you try to defend Nancy's non-sense and say there is, goes to show you are not a fence sitter.

ZetaMax and the "Zetas" wrong again!
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker



Circuit Breaker;

A question on this.

My satellite dish is fixed to the side of the house, and receives signal all year.

We do have Chandler wobble and the normal seasonal tilting of the planet.

And I presume the TV satellites are in stationary orbit,

What is the mechanism that keeps them stationary and within the parameters necessary to maintain signal while the tilt and wobble occur?

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Circuit Breaker;

A question on this.

My satellite dish is fixed to the side of the house, and receives signal all year.

We do have Chandler wobble and the normal seasonal tilting of the planet.
 Quoting: J.William Dell

First of all, the planet does not tilt back and forth for the seasons. The Earth's axis tilt is fixed at roughly 23.5 degrees. Only our orbit around the sun gives the appearance that the Earth tilts back and forth when, in reality, it does not...although Nancy would have you believe that it is, thanks to the "Zetas." Chandler's Wobble is a very small. It amounts to 0.7 arcseconds (about 15 meters on the Earth's surface) and has a period of 433 days. Not enough distance to put your dish out of the beamwidth of the antenna on the satellite.

And I presume the TV satellites are in stationary orbit,
 Quoting: J.William Dell

Not stationary...which would imply they don't move at all. They are in geostationary orbit...which means their orbit velocity is such that it matches the rotation of the Earth, keeping the satellite over the same spot on Earth.

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what is this thread all about?
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I am rather new here could someone give me a quick rundown on the Debunker Boycott?

Well. in a nutshell, Nancy does not allow us to ask questions or comment during her live "show", no matter how polite we are. Many of the regulars have been flamed, insulted, defamed, censored, deleted and banned for daring to post difficult questions or challenge Nancy with evidence.

After her live chat, Nancy rarely returns, so that is when debunkers could post, not without the risk of being edited by Nancy in her capacity as moderator. Those threads used to run upwards of 20 pages weekly, with the back and forth of bunkers and debunkers.

Several of the posters that support Nancy used the page count to justify their belief that Nancy is very popular, and that a lot of people are put off posting because of the debunkers. Some even suggested that we should start our own thread and leave them to discuss in a debunker free environment, which eventually we decided to do.

The Lone Ranger started this thread on July 18, the day we began boycotting Nancy's threads. As we had predicted prior to the boycott, the thread views and page counts on Nancy's chat plummeted without the debunkers, proving that a lot of the traffic to her threads consists of debunkers, and most of the posts were back and forth between debunkers and bunkers, not people that believe Nancy's stories.

This thread has given us a place where we can take Nancy to task without being censored and banned, and it also gives the bunkers what they said they wanted, a place to chat with and about Nancy without debunkers. Funny thing is, many of the more faithful followers now spend more time on this thread than on the ZetaTalk chat threads.

Originally the boycott was to last a month, but many of us have extended it indefinitely, so as to not encourage Nancy in her delusions.

At least, this is how I see the boycott. Others may have other points of view.






This is NOT true at all!

Nancy does not prevent you from asking questions. What a LIE!

Nancy does not allow you to ask the same question over and over and over again. And that's exactly what you guys do.

You will not accept her answer so you keep asking the same question. This is NOT allowed ... nor should it!

Ask any question you want, and if it hasn't already been answered she will probably answer it. That's how it works.

I should know, I've been here longer than any of the debunkers, and thems the facts.


Wrong. I get banned everytime I ask the first question or make the first comment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 705842

Yeah, she may not prevent you from asking, but she won't answer, and then when the chat is over, she goes back and deletes the offending posts. At best, she will reply that your question will not be answered, but usually she ignores the hard questions and gets rid of the evidence later.On some nights she has banned a dozen or so people just for showing up. She says it's to prevent disruptions on her chat. She has even been caught going so far as to edit the content between the SOZT/EOZT tags to misrepresent the comments of a regular debunker. Fortunately we had saved the original comments and she was busted altering the supposed words of the Zetas, something she claims she never does.

My point is that if ZetaTalk were true, it would stand tall in the face of any challenges the debunkers bring to the table. That Nancy does not permit debate shows that even she knows there is no defending it when debunkers raise valid and reasonable points and bring evidence to support their comments. Almost every week she will tell a poster that the question is answered on her website, and that they need to go back and read it instead of wasting her time with old questions. This is one of her favorite dodges. Of course she will go back and give repeat answers to other soft questions from her faithful.
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what is this thread all about?
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You can think of this thread the way you would think about the "Pentagon".

It's a "government facility".
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

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This thread is about the claims made by Nancy Lieder, who claims to be in contact with an alien species called the "Zetas." She claims she received a sign from them in the form of an unwrapped Starburst. They, supposedly, told her that a "rogue planet" with a 3600 year orbit was going to pass in 2003, causing the Earth to, essentially, fall over...the poles ending up where the equator is now. This event was supposed to wipe out 90% of life on Earth. Obviously, this didn't happen. When it didn't, she said the date given to her by the "Zetas" was a "white lie" and it was supposed to force the government, who, she claims, knew all about this "rogue planet" and planned to enslave humanity during the chaos. She now maintains that this "rogue planet" has been sitting near the sun for nearly 7 years and that Earth has been halted in orbit for the same amount of time. Each week, she has a "chat session" where people can post questions to the "Zetas." Much of what she writes can be proven wrong...which is what we discuss here because she frequently deleted questions or posts that were made by people she deemed as "debunkers." She would also ban them from this forum altogether...usually only for 24 hours.

The post from ZetaMax is simply a lie. He claims to be "on the fence" about Nancy. But, as you can tell from his post, he clearly supports Nancy and her many false claims. The only way Nancy and those who believe her can counter anything "debunkers" post is to accuse them of being government agents. Naturally, this would have some weight if the information "debunkers" posted was wrong and Nancy was right. But such is not the case.

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what is this thread all about?

You can think of this thread the way you would think about the "Pentagon".

It's a "government facility".
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Care to back that up Max? The thread was started by TLR, who I believe is a Kiwi. There are Americans posting here, but there are also Aussies and Canadians. Why would the US government hire foreigners to debunk Nancy? If Nancy were such a threat to the establishment, I am sure they would have taken her out long ago. How hard can it be to rub out an old lady and make it look like an accident? They can kill people like Kennedy but not Nancy Lieder. It is to laugh out loud. Max, you want people to be sensitive to your feelings and not call you names, but you continue to call us government shills. Perhaps if you play nice we can put an end to the name calling on both sides.
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You can think of this thread the way you would think about the "Pentagon".

It's a "government facility".
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:maxface:

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what is this thread all about?

You can think of this thread the way you would think about the "Pentagon".

It's a "government facility".
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


Why do you try to sell that LIE?

I thought you were pretending to be an 'impartial observer'?

And care to answer how satellites are affected by an atmosphere they are not in?
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Open questions to the Bunkers?

1. What attracts you to Nancy Lieder?

2. What evidence that she has presented to you over the months has been most convincing?

3. What evidence that she has presented to you over the months has not been very convincing?

4. If Planet X doesn't appear before 2012 will you abandon her support?

5. What if the New Madrid fault does not rupture significantly before a major quake on the West Coast?


George:

You may be asking too much for the majority of the bunkers who frequent this thread.
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If these are too many questions why don't we start with just number one.
1. What attracts you the Nancy Lieder?

I could say that she dares to present an answer for almost any subject one wishes to talk about ... she has the courage to challenge the established ideas about the world, politics, and science. How is that for a start?

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Open questions to the Bunkers?

1. What attracts you to Nancy Lieder?

2. What evidence that she has presented to you over the months has been most convincing?

3. What evidence that she has presented to you over the months has not been very convincing?

4. If Planet X doesn't appear before 2012 will you abandon her support?

5. What if the New Madrid fault does not rupture significantly before a major quake on the West Coast?


George:

You may be asking too much for the majority of the bunkers who frequent this thread.


If these are too many questions why don't we start with just number one.
1. What attracts you the Nancy Lieder?

I could say that she dares to present a answer for almost any subject one wishes to talk about ... she has the courage to challenge the established ideas about the world, politics, and science. How is that for a start?
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Nauseating as it may seem, I think she is a sort of 'mother-figure' for a lot of these sad inadequates.
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If these are too many questions why don't we start with just number one.
1. What attracts you the Nancy Lieder?

I could say that she dares to present a answer for almost any subject one wishes to talk about ... she has the courage to challenge the established ideas about the world, politics, and science. How is that for a start?
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To be fair, there's a big difference between challenging established ideas....and just plain being wrong.
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Circuit Breaker;

A question on this.

My satellite dish is fixed to the side of the house, and receives signal all year.

We do have Chandler wobble and the normal seasonal tilting of the planet.

First of all, the planet does not tilt back and forth for the seasons. The Earth's axis tilt is fixed at roughly 23.5 degrees. Only our orbit around the sun gives the appearance that the Earth tilts back and forth when, in reality, it does not...although Nancy would have you believe that it is, thanks to the "Zetas." Chandler's Wobble is a very small. It amounts to 0.7 arcseconds (about 15 meters on the Earth's surface) and has a period of 433 days. Not enough distance to put your dish out of the beamwidth of the antenna on the satellite.


And I presume the TV satellites are in stationary orbit,

Not stationary...which would imply they don't move at all. They are in geostationary orbit...which means their orbit velocity is such that it matches the rotation of the Earth, keeping the satellite over the same spot on Earth.
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ThanX for the succint description of the mechanisms in play.


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You can think of this thread the way you would think about the "Pentagon".

It's a "government facility".

:maxface:

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Thank you CB, for providing the "emphasis" to my assertion.
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

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Andrew stated earlier there are no contradictions with ZetaTalk. Naturally, we've shown there are. This morning I thought of another one.

Nancy claims the Earth is wobbling. She states proof of this is the failure of services reliant on satellites such as Dish Network, DirecTV and GPS, which would all be out of place if the Earth were wobbling about. However, Nancy also claims that these satellites move along with the atmosphere whenever the planet wobbles. Well, then that would mean satellite TV and GPS aren't failing because the satellites appear where they should in relation to the surface. So, which are we to believe?


It would depend on the speed and "violence" of the wobble. It's like pulling a table cloth out from a table full of dishes. If pulled "quickly" the dishes remain in place - as the sattelites would, and signal is LOST as a result. However, when the cloth (atmosphere) is pulled slowly, the dishes (satellites) move with it and the signal remains.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


You don't know much about satellites, do you? Absolutely nothing, it would appear, about the atmosphere.

Geostationary satellites are roughly 22,000 miles up. The GPS constellation is roughly 12,000 miles up. At these altitudes atmospheric drag is non-existent. Only satellites in LEO (low earth orbit) are effected by atmospheric drag (e.g., ISS periodically needs reboost in altitude to maintain orbit).

As usual, Nancy is pontificating about a subject she knows absolutely nothing about and you, as one of her yard sitters, laps it up without question.
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Can someone clarify exactly where the 12th planet is supposed to be right now? I'm very confused about that very important, and highly confusing "fact".

And I just don't mean "near the sun" or where it's RA and Dec would be in the sky if it were a real planet. I mean exactly where does Nancy claim it is in relation to the Sun and Magellanic objects as a rigid, fixed frame of reference.
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my bad. when I typed "magellanic" i meant Messier. very tired, sorry.
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what is this thread all about?

You can think of this thread the way you would think about the "Pentagon".

It's a "government facility".
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***



Just because you collect a crazy check, MaxiMelfySocky, it does not follow that you are a "government facility."

Hope this helps.
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What relationship, if any, does this have to the strong series of quakes in Samoa? We have described this part of the globe, the Indo-Australian plate that is being pushed under the Himalayas, as the brake point, holding back larger plate adjustment worldwide. Thus, this is where global adjustments START. This plate moves, then other adjustment that were waiting to happen can proceed. The relationship between the magnetic simulation
[link to www2.nict.go.jp]
charts showing the S Pole temporarily disappearing and the quakes is that a stronger and more violent WOBBLE occurred when the N Pole of Planet X temporarily pointed its N Pole at Earth, forcing an end-to-end alignment of their magnetospheres. This is a preview of the severe wobble we have stated will precede the lean-to-the-left. This is the CAUSE of the severe wobble we have predicted. More is to come!
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SOZT
What relationship, if any, does this have to the strong series of quakes in Samoa? We have described this part of the globe, the Indo-Australian plate that is being pushed under the Himalayas, as the brake point, holding back larger plate adjustment worldwide. Thus, this is where global adjustments START. This plate moves, then other adjustment that were waiting to happen can proceed. The relationship between the magnetic simulation
[link to www2.nict.go.jp]
charts showing the S Pole temporarily disappearing and the quakes is that a stronger and more violent WOBBLE occurred when the N Pole of Planet X temporarily pointed its N Pole at Earth, forcing an end-to-end alignment of their magnetospheres. This is a preview of the severe wobble we have stated will precede the lean-to-the-left. This is the CAUSE of the severe wobble we have predicted. More is to come!
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From Nancy's thread tonight:

When you talk about leaning of the earth to the left, what do you mean by left? What is left? West?

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

If you are in the northern hemisphere, looking at the Sun, it would be to your left.
 Quoting: Nancy Lieder


So if I am in the northern hemisphere facing north, left of the sun is the west. But if I am facing the south, left of the sun is east. To further complicate matters, if I am facing the east, left of the sun would be north, and if I am facing the west, it to the left is south. Basic elementary school logic. Somehow this simple logic escapes Nancy and her Zetas.
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From Nancy's thread tonight:


When you talk about leaning of the earth to the left, what do you mean by left? What is left? West?

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

If you are in the northern hemisphere, looking at the Sun, it would be to your left.


So if I am in the northern hemisphere facing north, left of the sun is the west. But if I am facing the south, left of the sun is east. To further complicate matters, if I am facing the east, left of the sun would be north, and if I am facing the west, it to the left is south. Basic elementary school logic. Somehow this simple logic escapes Nancy and her Zetas.
 Quoting: KeepingItReal


I can understand you and I being perplexed.

At this location in the Northern Hemisphere, the sun still comes up in the east crosses over to the South, and still goes down in the West. I can point in 3 different directions using those instructions, depending on the time of day.

I guess as long as the world gets some kind of "wobble", she'll be right, ;o)



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As no one has answered your question, I'll give it a try.

Can someone clarify exactly where the 12th planet is supposed to be right now? I'm very confused about that very important, and highly confusing "fact".
 Quoting: Pluton (aka yourmom) 769848


According to Sitchen, it will be in our Neighbourhood around roughly 3000 to 3400 AD.

Acording to the "zetas" it should have passed through here May 2003.

And I just don't mean "near the sun" or where it's RA and Dec would be in the sky if it were a real planet. I mean exactly where does Nancy claim it is in relation to the Sun and Magellanic objects as a rigid, fixed frame of reference.
 Quoting: Pluton (aka yourmom) 769848


Best I can figure, at this time (2009) Nancy Leider claims it's "around the sun". A haven't seen any clearer statement beyound that.(Others may have)

The instructions appear rather vague. My previous post to KeepingitReal showcases another example.

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Whether you accept my scientific background and credentials as HARD SCIENCE or not is really not the issue. I am and was considered a Scientist by title and profession.
 Quoting: George B


You can keep telling yourself that you're a scientist. The reality is quite different.

Did you know I have a crew of Engineers that come to my home every week?
They are considered Engineers by title and profession.
Their title? Sanitation Engineer. I just call them the garbage men.

I'm sure their résumés read like yours - a lesson in obscurantism:
- They apply the principles of Materials Science.
- They are versed in Metallurgy. (They check the sorting of steel and aluminum waste)
- They routinely use their knowledge of Polymer Chemistry. (They check the sorting of the plastic recyclables)
- They are in the forefront of Applied Environmental Science. (They make sure the trash doesn't contain prohibited poisons/toxins)
- They publish internal documents outlining their 'research' noted above. (They fill out their semi-annual review assessment in hopes of getting a better raise)

I guess they call themselves "scientist" and I should too.

BTW - the synopsis of your 'scientific' achievements reads like someone who was a secretary in the Human Resources Department.
I'm betting that something in Human Resources was your career.
No shame in that - it's an honourable profession and if you made it to supervisor or higher, it's a PITA.
You may even have an AAS in Industrial/Business Psychology.
You are, however, no scientist.

I'll ignore you for now since all anyone has to do is search your user ID to see how kooky and anti-science your previous posts have been.
... And as expected, they show you think there may be something to ZetaTalk since it answers questions that you cannot find suitable answers to in mainstream science.

You are following the kOOk m. o. as if you'd invented it.
The others may toy with you until you 'come out' as the anti-science Zetakook you are, but when they blast you I predict you'll whine, "You debunkers are all a bunch of big meanies because you won't let me get away with scurrilous, kooky, anti-science lies... And I am too a Scientist!"

Kook on.





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