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Prof. Rabbits evidence using simple observation and logic provides an understanding of the weak force magnetism plays in the solar system.
 Quoting: J.William Dell


As a further note, Venus does not have a planetary magnetic field, vis.

When Mariner 2 flew by Venus in 1962 at a distance of 6.6 planetary radii (Rv), it did not detect any evidence of an Earth-size magnetosphere. Mariner 5, passing within 1.4 Rv in 1967, detected the signatures in the solar wind of deflection around an 'obstacle' at Venus. The small inferred size of that obstacle placed an upper limit on the magnetic dipole moment of Venus of ~ 10-3 that of Earth. Later Venera 4 made magnetic measurements down to 200 km altitude, still detecting no planetary field but providing data that reduced this estimate by about an order of magnitude. In a 1974 flyby, Mariner 10 merely confirmed the existence of a small, nearly planet- size obstacle. Venera 9 and 10 were put into orbit around Venus in 1975, but did not approach Venus closer than ~ 1500 km. Nevertheless, the data that these spacecraft obtained in the wake of the planet provided the first evidence that an Earth-like magnetotail was absent, and that instead a structure related to the interplanetary magnetic field occupied that region of space. The most definitive measurements of the magnetic moment of Venus were obtained during the Pioneer Venus Orbiter mission in its first years of operation (1979-1981). Repeated low-altitude (~ 150 km) passes by that spacecraft over the antisolar region, coupled with dayside observations to the same altitude, proved the insignificance of a field of internal origin in near-Venus space.

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Ergo, no Nancy eddy cups, tea cups or Px cups to halt Venus with, something Nancy never checked.

Gravitational factors account for all known solar system effects.
 Quoting: J.William Dell


No, not really, the solar wind, radiation and other factors also affect the solar system, however it is fair to say that gravitation plays the largest part.

3) If I understand Reality 791899.
Once a planet of any size has set into a stable orbit,(such as Earths orbit and distance from the Sun) it would not matter what size the planet was, it would still maintain the same orbit.
 Quoting: J.William Dell


I would disagree somewhat, the relative size and orbital speed are factors, along with the origins of the solar system.

There is one theory that a sideswipe of Earth by another body spun off a molton mess to form the moon,

And under this theory, the big question is, what hit us?

And could it hit us hard enough to change the earths orbit and distance from the Sun.(6 billion years ago or so)
 Quoting: J.William Dell


The "glancing blow" of another large body is one hypothesis, another is a large rogue asteroid impact, a third is the early capture of the moon as a passing object (formed with the rest of the solar system) slow enough to be caught in Earth's gravity well.

Theoretically, the Moon could have been formed by a collision of Earth with another planet, the scene of the accident around the asteroid belt.
 Quoting: J.William Dell


Perhaps, although opinion is that an impact collision would not have spread the asteroid belt out so evenly, another suggestion is that the asteroid belt never got to coalesce into a planet.

Earth losing 40% of its mass (in moon and asteroids) could have been knocked into a chaotic orbit, with the whole system eventually finding its balance again with earth in its present orbit.
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That would depend on the impact variables, playing some pool or eight-ball will show some of the potentials for the impact theory.

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den_ial

And yet, you live in denial every day.
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I'm ready for the worst - nothing to be in denial "about".
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

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What's the matter Max? Can't stand to see people having an intelligent and respectful discussion? Pathetic TROLL.
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... an intelligent and "respectful" discussion????

Where is the RESPECT???

bald_lie
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I'm ready for the worst - nothing to be in denial "about".
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***

Sure there is...you're in denial that everything Nancy claims is going to happen simply won't.
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... an intelligent and "respectful" discussion????

Where is the RESPECT???

bald_lie
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They're having a good discussion with Dell and George B.

truly
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Where is the RESPECT???
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


RESPECT is EARNED.......
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As the comedian aptly stated, 'Just because science doesn't know everything doesn't mean you can fill in the gaps with whatever fairytale happens to suit you.'


And as we know Nancy has fairytale concepts for just about everything.

I accept that as a true statement.

den_ial
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


You deny common sense and logic every day.
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You could enjoy a civil conversation here too, Max.

But you'd have to actually express yourself in actual sentences grouped together in coherent paragraphs. I think we'd all enjoy dropping the back-and-forth sniping with you; I know I would.

So why not try it? Here. I'll start.

You say you are prepared for the worst. That's a good thing. But the difference between you and I, at least in my perception, is that you seem to *expect* some cataclysm, whereas I see no reason to believe the heavens are about to unleash anything out of the ordinary at us.

So my question is this -- what makes you think we're about to be whacked by the business end of God's own hammer?

Thanks.
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You could enjoy a civil conversation here too, Max.

But you'd have to actually express yourself in actual sentences grouped together in coherent paragraphs. I think we'd all enjoy dropping the back-and-forth sniping with you; I know I would.

So why not try it? Here. I'll start.

You say you are prepared for the worst. That's a good thing. But the difference between you and I, at least in my perception, is that you seem to *expect* some cataclysm, whereas I see no reason to believe the heavens are about to unleash anything out of the ordinary at us.

So my question is this -- what makes you think we're about to be whacked by the business end of God's own hammer?

Thanks.
 Quoting: Returner 997

No fiat currency in the history of man has survived longer than the dollar - and the dollar is succumbing to EVERY weakness a fiat currency possesses.

Seed bank in Norway, Vatican Library closed in 2007, CIA to be completely relocated to Denver by December of this year. Somebody is getting ready for "something" - and it ain't good.

TONS of prognosticators other than Nancy talk about dramatic earth changes within the next decade - many with impressive accuracy track records.

Need I say more???
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

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TONS of prognosticators other than Nancy talk about dramatic earth changes within the next decade - many with impressive accuracy track records.

Need I say more???
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Well you could post some of these "accurate track records", that would be a real change from Nancy's 0%.
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I accept that as a true statement.

den_ial
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Denial is pretending a huge planet that nobody can see is sitting invisibly next to the sun despite all evidence that it is impossible.
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:den_ial:

And yet, you live in denial every day.

I'm ready for the worst - nothing to be in denial "about".
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You deny REALITY with every post you make.
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No fiat currency in the history of man has survived longer than the dollar - and the dollar is succumbing to EVERY weakness a fiat currency possesses.

Seed bank in Norway, Vatican Library closed in 2007, CIA to be completely relocated to Denver by December of this year. Somebody is getting ready for "something" - and it ain't good.

TONS of prognosticators other than Nancy talk about dramatic earth changes within the next decade - many with impressive accuracy track records.

Need I say more???
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


Yes, you could offer some PROOF!
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Okay, Max, I can understand your concerns about the economy. I'm concerned too. While I'm skeptical about a cataclysmic geological or astronomical event, an economic cataclysm (econoclysm?) is frightenling plausible, and it could occur so quickly we'd all be left standing there with "Huh?" expressions (and worthless cash).

I think where we differ is about the earth changes and the various prognosticators.

I simply don't believe anyone can, with any degree of accuracy, predict what the Earth might do next based on some sort of mystical insight. When someones claims to have done that, what I see is the geological equivalent of a psychic 'cold reading.' In other words, they'll say 'I see earthquakes on the Pacifi rim in the last six months of next year.'

Um, yeah. You can't go wrong with that.

Obviously, we don't see things the same way in that respect. Look, I'm (for the first time, lol) not trying to be an ass here. Am I wrong in assuming there is no prognosticator out there with a track record that truly defies my explanation?

I think we can probably agree that Nancy would not be a good example :)
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Okay, Max, I can understand your concerns about the economy. I'm concerned too. While I'm skeptical about a cataclysmic geological or astronomical event, an economic cataclysm (econoclysm?) is frightenling plausible, and it could occur so quickly we'd all be left standing there with "Huh?" expressions (and worthless cash).
 Quoting: Returner 997


Indeed.

Now, for the all demonizing of Nancy and Zetatalk everyone has been doing, just exactly **WHAT** is she suggesting that people actually ***DO***???

Get seeds
Get water distillers
Get survival literature
Learn about wild edibles
Learn some basic medical skills
Learn, acquire, focus on anything and everything that can aid self-sufficiency without the assistance of modern infrastructure.

If we had a currency collapse, we would lose our modern infrastructure almost as certainly as if it was destroyed by a "pole shift". We'd face the same challenges, the same dangers, the same problems.

In the end, **ALL** of Nancy's material is aimed SOLELY at encouraging individuals to prepare and be as self-sufficient as possible.

If instead it was about some "rapture" or "initiation" into some cult where you surrender your wealth and possessions and go live in some commune in Oregon where you parade around in orange robes, well then I might be more inclined to "approve" of what the debunkers are doing.

But instead, the debunkers are working tirelessly to destroy ALL of Nancy's message, including the parts that are really the keystone for the whole of Zetatalk which is ***NOT*** cosmology, but rather establishing SELF-SUFFICIENCY.
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

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No fiat currency in the history of man has survived longer than the dollar - and the dollar is succumbing to EVERY weakness a fiat currency possesses.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***

As pointed out, an economic collapse is entirely possible. It happened once before...but what has that got to do with some mythical "rogue planet" supposedly sitting by the sun for over six years?

Seed bank in Norway, Vatican Library closed in 2007
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***

That was two years ago. What's the significance of that two years later?

CIA to be completely relocated to Denver by December of this year.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***

And this is suspicious how? The Pacific Fleet used to be stationed in Hawaii. It was eventually moved to San Diego where, as far as I know, it remains to this day. And businesses in the private sector move their headquarters from time to time so fail to see how the CIA moving to Denver is any different.

Somebody is getting ready for "something" - and it ain't good.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***

If you're basing your assessment that "something" bad is about to happen because of the few things you outlined above, then I'd have to say you're one skittish individual.

TONS of prognosticators other than Nancy talk about dramatic earth changes within the next decade - many with impressive accuracy track records.

Need I say more???
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***

Yes, you do...as others have stated, why not show us some of the tons of prognosticators that have impressive track records because I'm not aware of any. Many like to use Nostradamus...but I don't really consider him to have an impressive track record when you consider that many of his quatrains are so vague and cryptic that you can pretty much use them for anything.
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Hmmm. As far as destroying Nancy's message, Max, I don't think any of us have any problem with people learning to be more self sufficient. I certainly don't.

It the whole PX is always just out of sight / human science is wrong bit we object to. I object to it mainly because an *educated* person is always a better candidate for survival than an ignorant or misguided one.

And while we're on the subject of survival, Max, here's a problem we'd both face if some huge disaster wiped out the modern technical and agricultural infrastructure overnight.

I've got land. I've got ponds. I've got fruit trees and gardens and a river full of fish. I'd lose some weight, which I could stand to do anyway, if the whole world fell apart, but I'd not starve or lack for shelter.

But how would you or I deal with the hundreds of thousands of people who'd be left starving and wandering in the wake of doomsday?

I can only feed so many. I can only shoot so many. Either way, I'm overwhlemed, my trees are stripped bare, the ponds and river are emptied, the gardens empty. Overnight, perhaps.

Just a thought. Not a happy one.
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TONS of prognosticators other than Nancy talk about dramatic earth changes within the next decade - many with impressive accuracy track records.

 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


They were talking about the same thing in the 1980's and very probably before that. I think it is some sort of constant... like the 2nd coming.
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Indeed.

Now, for the all demonizing of Nancy and Zetatalk everyone has been doing, just exactly **WHAT** is she suggesting that people actually ***DO***???

Get seeds
Get water distillers
Get survival literature
Learn about wild edibles
Learn some basic medical skills
Learn, acquire, focus on anything and everything that can aid self-sufficiency without the assistance of modern infrastructure.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***

There's just one problem...you left out the part where she claims the reason for all of this is because of some "rogue planet" that's supposed to cause a "pole shift" killing "90% of the population." She wants people to prepare for an event that simply isn't going to happen, And, in reality, if such an event were to happen, it's highly unlikely that any humans would survive. Sure, some life would exist...seeds, small mammals perhaps and microbial life. But there would be very little left. Earth would have to start over. With that in mind, no "debunker" has ever said you shouldn't prepare for a disaster. We've only said that preparing for Nancy's disaster would be an exercise in futility because 1) it isn't going to happen and there's no evidence that this "rogue planet" even exists...2) It's very highly unlikely you'd survive it anyway.
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But instead, the debunkers are working tirelessly to destroy ALL of Nancy's message, including the parts that are really the keystone for the whole of Zetatalk which is ***NOT*** cosmology, but rather establishing SELF-SUFFICIENCY.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


Nope. The bottom line of the "Zeta" message is that we are dependant on "ZETAS".
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Hmmm. As far as destroying Nancy's message, Max, I don't think any of us have any problem with people learning to be more self sufficient. I certainly don't.

It the whole PX is always just out of sight / human science is wrong bit we object to. I object to it mainly because an *educated* person is always a better candidate for survival than an ignorant or misguided one.

And while we're on the subject of survival, Max, here's a problem we'd both face if some huge disaster wiped out the modern technical and agricultural infrastructure overnight.

I've got land. I've got ponds. I've got fruit trees and gardens and a river full of fish. I'd lose some weight, which I could stand to do anyway, if the whole world fell apart, but I'd not starve or lack for shelter.

But how would you or I deal with the hundreds of thousands of people who'd be left starving and wandering in the wake of doomsday?

I can only feed so many. I can only shoot so many. Either way, I'm overwhlemed, my trees are stripped bare, the ponds and river are emptied, the gardens empty. Overnight, perhaps.

Just a thought. Not a happy one.
 Quoting: Returner 997

I just finished reading the book "One Second After" - which centers around this VERY issue. It is an EXCELLENT read, and demonstrates pretty clearly that people will have to WORK TOGETHER if there is to be any hope of long term survival. Tough decisions will have to be made, sacrifices will have to be made by all. Group interests will have to be considered as important as individual ones. (Note I said **AS** important, not "more" important). If you use your excess in the early days of the disaster to ingratiate yourself to others, with honest generosity free from "record keeping" and micro-management, you might be able to form a strong trusted community that can defend itself against the kind of dangers you outline.

Last Edited by ***ZetaMaX*** on 10/22/2009 11:09 AM
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

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But instead, the debunkers are working tirelessly to destroy ALL of Nancy's message, including the parts that are really the keystone for the whole of Zetatalk which is ***NOT*** cosmology, but rather establishing SELF-SUFFICIENCY.


Nope. The bottom line of the "Zeta" message is that we are dependant on "ZETAS".
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PROVE IT
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

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Max, a lot of Nancy's survival advice is pretty bad, too. She once suggested that people eat drywall, since it's a good source of calcium, and she also advocated the drilling of holes (with corks inserted later) in the male penis as a method of birth control.


Eating drywall will at best make you constipated. Drilling holes in one's unit is likely to result in profound blood loss, nerve damage, and in most cases death from sepsis. I won't even talk about corks and birth control.

That aside, though, I'll check out 'One Second After.' Sounds interesting. I usually enjoy my apocalypse fiction to feature zombies, but heck.
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But instead, the debunkers are working tirelessly to destroy ALL of Nancy's message, including the parts that are really the keystone for the whole of Zetatalk which is ***NOT*** cosmology, but rather establishing SELF-SUFFICIENCY.


Nope. The bottom line of the "Zeta" message is that we are dependant on "ZETAS".


PROVE IT
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This will be the extent of my interaction with you on this, Maxie.

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We have stated that Service-to-Other groups, where isolated from the possibility of takeover by Service-to-Self groups, will receive technology assistance from ourselves and other visitors participating in the Transformation.
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But instead, the debunkers are working tirelessly to destroy ALL of Nancy's message, including the parts that are really the keystone for the whole of Zetatalk which is ***NOT*** cosmology, but rather establishing SELF-SUFFICIENCY.


Nope. The bottom line of the "Zeta" message is that we are dependant on "ZETAS".


PROVE IT
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That is difficult to do; however, how about Nancy's message regarding giving "the call" after the shift and assistance would arrive if the Zeta's and/or others deemed it appropriate. Thus giving the impression that the Zeta’s hold the key to ultimate survival.

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"They noted that some contactees are protected from assassination, noting this when orders went out to assassinate these individuals and the assassinations were repeatedly foiled. They noted that some contactees were given healings, kept alive when their health would otherwise be failing. They noted mention of protection of good hearted communities after the pole shift, communal living with high tech alien communities, and set about to posture themselves for inclusion."

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After the Shift, will the armed factions be the only ones who survive? In today's current environment, it would mean that the racist Service to Self seditious anti-social types will rule the aftertime. How will predominantly peaceful Service to Other types survive?

We have explained that Service-to-Self gangs will die out, and fairly rapidly, as they rely on looting and do not plan. They also turn on each other, and do not act as caretakers for each other. Service-to-Other communities also will get some help from benign aliens. In this regard it is helpful for these communities to locate in rural and remote areas, and to keep a very low profile. Humans should not assume rescue in any case, for if they do not qualify for Service-to-Other protections they will have a rude surprise.

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Max, a lot of Nancy's survival advice is pretty bad, too. She once suggested that people eat drywall, since it's a good source of calcium, and she also advocated the drilling of holes (with corks inserted later) in the male penis as a method of birth control.


Eating drywall will at best make you constipated. Drilling holes in one's unit is likely to result in profound blood loss, nerve damage, and in most cases death from sepsis. I won't even talk about corks and birth control.

That aside, though, I'll check out 'One Second After.' Sounds interesting. I usually enjoy my apocalypse fiction to feature zombies, but heck.
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Cats and dogs have been reported to eat drywall, and many vets and animal dietitians have theorized that they were indeed instinctively attempting to get CALCIUM. I seriously don't think she was advocating making a "meal" of drywall - but a handful of drywall powder tossed into a large kettle of soup to provide a little thickening, and "perhaps" some calcium supplementation - something to "consider". Of course, the same can be had by grinding up bones and tossing them into the soup. But seriously, grinding bones is a LOT more work!

As for drilling holes in one's "unit", it is not disputed that an indigenous tribe did indeed possess this practice, and apparently found it to be "efficacious". But again, it was provided as a point of reference, an "interesting" fyi, and not as "endorsed" by the Zetas above all other forms of birth control.

You're being silly to suggest otherwise.

But yes, "One Second After" will not disappoint!!
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

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Modern drywall often contains antifungals and/or fire retardants, all of which are pretty toxic.

And I imagine the tribe which practiced the hole-n-cork method of birth control is composed of some very nervous men with their hands perpetually covering their privates.

I checked Amazon for One Second after; it looks cool. It's not available for the Kindle yet (bummer), but I'll see if the library has a copy.
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But instead, the debunkers are working tirelessly to destroy ALL of Nancy's message, including the parts that are really the keystone for the whole of Zetatalk which is ***NOT*** cosmology, but rather establishing SELF-SUFFICIENCY.


Nope. The bottom line of the "Zeta" message is that we are dependant on "ZETAS".


PROVE IT


This will be the extent of my interaction with you on this, Maxie.

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This is as lame as it gets. First of all, the "assistance" is only for GROUPS, not individuals. You can be the STO dude to end all STO dudes, but unless you are surrounded predominantly by other STO's, you're S.O.L. And of course, the catch 22 ??, if you seek out other "STO's" in order to get the Zetan technological assistance, you would in fact be doing it for "selfish" reasons, and therefore would in fact be negating your membership in the STO ranks. So **NO**, this "assistance" is not a "reward" an individual can "earn". It would be "incidental" at best, and certainly not something one can reasonably count on being "available".
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

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I don't know Max...seems like you're spinning it to me and doing all you can to support Nancy and what the "Zetas" say.

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Modern drywall often contains antifungals and/or fire retardants, all of which are pretty toxic.

And I imagine the tribe which practiced the hole-n-cork method of birth control is composed of some very nervous men with their hands perpetually covering their privates.

I checked Amazon for One Second after; it looks cool. It's not available for the Kindle yet (bummer), but I'll see if the library has a copy.
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>> Modern drywall often contains antifungals and/or fire retardants, all of which are pretty toxic.

Good point - which also "implies" that older drywall, perhaps salvaged out of early 60's vintage homes, would in fact be relatively free of these toxic "additives".

Frankly, I plan to grind bones, if it comes to having to worry about long-term calcium intake in an environment of scarcity.
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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