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I will NOT succumb to Melfdown.

And let's not forget that with the heat generated by some "pole shift," much of that water is then going to vaporize. And, since the atmosphere will be severely weakened (if not stripped away), that water will then be lost to space.

But they have seeds, man! No water to grow them with, but they got seeds.

Exactly. There could be any number of reasons. Who knows why one area will get lots of rain and another area won't. I remember in 1993, it rained a LOT in southern California. Record amounts of rainfall. Then the Mississippi River flooded large areas of the mid-west that summer. Parts of the southwest have been experiencing a prolonged drought that started in the mid-90s. Are Nancy's followers going to tell us that every extreme weather event in history is somehow caused by "Planet X?" Maybe "Planet X" zipped into the solar system just to see what was happening and caused the "Dust Bowl" in the 1930s before zipping back out. There's no sign of any "Planet X" anywhere in the solar system...especially not hanging out by the sun...and yet they want people to believe it is somehow responsible for every event taking place on Earth today.

Last Edited by Circuit Breaker on 06/19/2009 08:44 AM

It is still impressing me how childish the "szenarios" are put together in reasons and results are. There is not the faintest clue of rationalized understanding of physics visible....

Probably she has made observations of marbles in a sand box - and from that she concludes to the behaviour of planets in astronomy.


Nancy ace will tell rueful of being historic as moon renders or receiver traces almighty popcorn trips monday night to Zetamax Mercury swing repulsions
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Hint No. 1: The riddle CAN be solved, and you WILL know if your solution is right. (everybody doing it can be proud)
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(from now on, every answer cannot be assumed to be sourcing from "Zetas")

I'm more than willing to believe there is some "rogue planet" coming, but here's what I don't get:

If Nancy and her believers are so convinced that "Planet X" is here, why aren't they willing to prove it? They've posted numerous photos and videos that they claim shows "Planet X" hanging out by the sun. But those images are highly questionable because of the methods and equipment used (i.e. web cams pointed directly at the sun). Why hasn't Nancy's "Imaging Team" gotten together and imaged large areas around the sun? Why haven't any believers done the same? It isn't that hard. All they need is a telescope, solar filters, and a camera. It doesn't even have to be an expensive telescope. Just something that would give them a better view than what they have with the unaided eye. Hell, Hap even offered to let Nancy, or anyone she appointed, come down and use his equipment. I thought they would have jumped on that. Not only would they have been able to obtain high quality images of this "rogue planet hanging out by the sun," but these images would have been obtained on equipment owned by a "debunker." It would have been a win-win scenario for them. And, oddly enough, none of them took him up on the offer. And, while Hap was not rude or insulting, all he got in return for his offer was attacks and insults...a majority of which came from User, who went so far as to claim that Hap was a fake and didn't own any of the equipment and then said Hap shouldn't be trusted because he had no "credentials" in astronomy. I found that to be hilarious. Exactly what "credentials" does Nancy have that makes her credible? For over 10 years, she didn't even know what RA and DEC meant. Oh, wait...that's right. She got an unwrapped Starburst which has never happened before so that's proof she's the "chosen one" and therefore no one should question what she says. I wonder if she kept that Starburst and put it on display at Troubled Times? Anyway, for whatever reason, asking for evidence to support their claims scares the daylights out of them. Oh, sure, they like to point to earthquakes, volcanoes, weather events and even politics to support their claims...but I don't consider that evidence when there are any number of other reasons as to why things are happening. Many of them have even suggested that "debunkers" prove that "Planet X" is not by the sun by using the same method I mentioned above. Well, I've seen enough photos over the years taken with the proper equipment and using the proper methods, some of which I have posted links to here, that show nothing by the sun at all. And, since those photos make theirs highly questionable, the burden of proof lies on them to prove that something is really there.

200 km can be traversed, it's called 'whistler ducts';
These are the result from the penetration by electromagnetic radiation produced by lightning discharges and can go through the mesosphere into the ionosphere and even into the magnetosphere.

The areas of increase or depletion relative to 'normal' ionization densities are called 'ducts' and can traverse different hemispheres.
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Water *will* heat up - but not vaporize. Below is the EVIDENCE.



Let us begin our examination of Indian flood stories with the traditions of the Indians on the Pacific Northwest coast. These groups are basically seafaring peoples who used the sea as the Plains tribes used the land. With a complex set of triangulation devices, these tribes - Quinaults, Makahs, Clallams, and others - went far out to sea, hunting whales and seals. Therefore, over time, they experienced the terror of the sea as well as enjoyed its more placid benefits. If any group knew and understood tsunamis and other hazardous ocean activities, these would be the people.

Their flood stories, for the most part, involve tsunami actions of unusual strength and duration. Mount Shasta legends say the sea came inland and rose until it nearly covered this peak and then finally receded ...

When we reach Washington State we discover that hardly an Indian group exists that does not have a flood story, almost unanimously involving the sea invading the land. The people's solution, having been forewarned, is to build canoes, sometimes rafts, and attempt to ride out the storm. ... The majority of these stories appear to involve the efforts of the Indians fixing their canoes to the tops of mountains ...

... this flood separates the different canoes and the tribe is scattered over a vast area before the water ebbs, leaving the people isolated from each other. The Skokomish, for example, scattered so widely that one group traveled far to the east and became the Flatheads ... "A long time afterward," as an elder told Ella Clark, "when there was war around where Seattle is now, the Skokomish people were trapped in the bay. They heard strange people talking the Skokomish language. When my people spoke to them, they said, 'We are the people who drifted away from here,' That is why the Skokomish and the Flatheads speak the same language," The Quillayutes say:

For four days the water continued to rise. At last it covered even the tops of mountains. The boats were carried this way and that by the wind and the waves. The people could not guide them, for there was no sun and there was no land. ...

This story closely parallels a flood story of the Makahs[:]

A long time ago, but not a very remote period, the water of the Pacific ... suddenly receded, leaving Neah Bay perfectly dry. It was four days reaching its lowest ebb, and then rose again without any waves or breakers till it had submerged the Cape, and in fact the whole country, excepting the tops of mountains at Clyoquot. The water on its rise became very warm ...

[The Quillayutes say:] "For days and days great storms blew. Rain and hail and then sleet and snow came down upon the land. The hailstones were so large that many people were killed. The other Quillayute were driven from their coast villages to the great prairie, which was the highest part of their land." The storm lasted so long that the people grew thin and weak from hunger, and it was so intense that the men could not go out to sea to fish. Since these people always had a ready supply of food in this area, the long duration of the storm seems to suggest that we are dealing with a major climatic event.

FROM: Vine Deloria, Jr., "Red Earth, White Lies - Native Americans and the Myth of Scientific Fact", 1997, pgs. 188-193

Folks, this material closely parallels what the Zetas have said will happen again - especially India:

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Those in India will find, after the first strong jolts, that water is rapidly rising, coming in from the coast for those who live there, and coming from whatever area might be considered the lowland for those inland. Giant waves will not occur, just a rapid rise in the water, which will force man and animal alike to tread water for as long as possible, then drown. Those in boats will find a different scenario when the water reaches a height, as then vortexes, created by adjustments in the water, will capsize small boats and large alike. Those who would survive the coming cataclysms are advised to leave the lowlands, which in the case of India as well as western Australia, means leaving the country.

Oh yea:



Last Edited by ***ZetaMaX*** on 06/19/2009 02:03 PM

Why the name calling?

Anyway, more traditional causes for global warming have been proposed for decades. There was talk of the Dust Bowl returning in the mid 21st century back in the 1960s. None of the postulated causes included an inbound planet.

Speaking of which: How, precisely, would even a real inbound planet CAUSE agricultural/weather changes on Earth? By what mechanism?

If you are suggesting the 'Worlds Collide' model, then the changes would not be these gradual changes, but cataclysmic insta-changes: surely you can agree this has not happened.

So, by what mechanism would an incoming planet GRADUALLY change the weather/temperature?

Great story Max. These legends show the incidence in the past of great earthquakes and tsunamis, which happen every 300-500 years in the region of the Explorer and Juan de Fuca plates. The last one occurred in 1700. These stories are remembrances of such events. The local natives say that Texada Island rose from the sea, and they believe it is destined to sink again with the next one.

I don't see how that proves that water wouldn't vaporize in the scenario put forward by Nancy, though.

Exactly. The bunkers have everything to gain and nothing to lose if they take Hap up on his offer and manage to capture Planet X on film. That is, unless Nancy knows damn well that it isn't there. That is the only explanation I can find for them passing up such a generous offer. And to boot, not only does Max and Luser insult Hap, the Zetas even channeled a message through Nancy insulting his character and slandering his credentials. I wonder why that is?

Proof what proof? Because it's written in a book?

"Those in India will find, after the first strong jolts, that water is rapidly rising, coming in from the coast for those who live there, and coming from whatever area might be considered the lowland for those inland. Giant waves will not occur, just a rapid rise in the water, which will force man and animal alike to tread water for as long as possible, then drown. Those in boats will find a different scenario when the water reaches a height, as then vortexes, created by adjustments in the water, will capsize small boats and large alike. Those who would survive the coming cataclysms are advised to leave the lowlands, which in the case of India as well as western Australia, means leaving the country."

Again, Nancy shows her ignorance of basic world geography. Of all the countries in the world, India has the biggest mountains. Why would people have to "leave the country" to get out of the lowlands, when all they have to do is go to the Himalayas. If the Himalayas ever go underwater, nobody will survive!

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You'd prefer tatooed on "The Commentator's" ass?

That's the only thing I can come up with. Considering how nasty some believers have been in the past, I would think they would jump at the opportunity to rub our "debunker" noses in it. Some even say they don't have to prove anything. Mmmm...that doesn't sound very STO to me. Aren't they trying to get the word out and hopefully save people from the coming catastrophe? Well, a large part of that is convincing others to believe them. Concrete and verifiable evidence goes a long way towards meeting that objective. If they were truly "STO" then they would have the patience and understanding. They would go out of their way to help others see their point of view. But no. Instead, they take the "STS" approach by basically saying, "Planet X is coming. If you don't believe me, then that's your problem. At least I'll be safe."

How do you figure? Water vaporizes everyday. Pour some out on the sidewalk and a few minutes later it's gone. You call it evaporation...what that means is the water went from a liquid state to a vaporous or gaseous state. The only way you can possibly keep water from becoming a vapor is if the air were already super saturated, in which case the air couldn't hold anymore moisture. However, in the event of a "pole shift," much of the atmosphere is going to be stripped away so water will easily vaporize and be lost to space.

PARIS, France (CNN) -- At least some of the bodies recovered from the Air France crash this month had broken bones, Brazilian authorities have told French investigators, evidence that suggests the flight broke apart before hitting the ocean.

Paul-Louis Arslanian, director of the Bureau d'Enquetes et d'Analyses, the French accident investigation board, said Thursday that Brazilian medical examiners had given that information to his agency.

Asked whether the information included reports that the recovered bodies from Flight 447 had fractures to arms, legs and hips, and few had any clothing, Arslanian said yes.

All of that, aviation experts have said, points to a mid-air rupture of the plane at about 35,000 feet.

There is still no explanation of what brought down the Airbus A330, which was en route from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, to Paris, France when it crashed in the Atlantic on June 1.

Arslanian pleaded Thursday for the media and the public to stop speculation about the cause of the Air France crash.

A major Brazilian newspaper reported this week that 95 percent of the bodies so far had shown fractures in the legs, arms and hips similar to injuries found in people who fall from great heights. The newspaper O Estado de Sao Paulo cited unnamed officials who are part of the investigation.

Another clue is the low incidence of cranial trauma, the newspaper reported. If the aircraft had nose-dived into the ocean, victims would have more head injuries, the paper said.

A large number of bodies also had red lesions in their mucous membranes, which the paper said is usually associated with asphyxia, or lack of oxygen.

Another major Brazilian newspaper, the Jornal do Brasil, cited information from an unnamed person from the Brazilian military who has access to the teams working in the recovery of the plane. This person told the paper that bodies were found "mutilated" with no clothing, a strong indication of violent depressurization caused by a structural rupture.

"Seeds and stems man, too many seeds and stems, you got ripped off!"

So? All of this is consistent with Nancy's/Zeta's assertions. Are you becoming a "BELIEVING BUNKER" CB?



Last Edited by ***ZetaMaX*** on 06/19/2009 11:17 PM

Spin, max, spin!

Your desperation is unbecoming of you.

No it isn't. Here is what Nancy and the "Zetas" said:



Not ONE mention of the plane coming apart. They said it simply experienced an electrical failure. Geez, Max, at least read up on ZetaTalk before you post.

What's more the stories are from 300 to 400 hundred years ago, not 3,600 years! "great storms" - yes there have been great storms written about in the last millennium, even some that are recent, again not 3,600 years ago, so Melfy's book is irrelevant, ie. just another attempt to spin the delusion.

Too late Socky you have already gone beyond the point of no return.

The story quoted doesn't even talk about weather, it talks about a tsunami, and many of the indigenous cultures have stories about the one that happened in 1700 AD. In no way does it talk about water not vaporizing. And Nancy's comment which he quotes in "support" only shows how ignorant she is about India, home of the highest mountains in the world. Not surprising since she has shown in the past that geography of the Eurasian continent is not her strongest subject.

Any science subject is outside of Nancy's grasp, even her political rants are second hand!

Nancy fails again, and again, and again!

Maxipads just makes shit up as It goes along.

Always has done.

Uhmmm -- then why do compasses work on boats an airplanes around the 'Atlantic Rift' area? Or are all pilots and boaters in on the conspiracy?