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Well. First, who knows if anyone's a shill. The term is bandied about a lot, but there are such people.

Second, Nancy clearly feels defensive. People do tend to suggest such things when they are.

However, I hope no-one here -- NO-ONE -- is a shill in any way.

But only they know. And sometimes -- if unpaid but encouraged into a role -- even people functioning as agents of a cause don't know they are.

I am the only one who signs their notes with a real name.

However, I hope no-one here -- NO-ONE -- is a shill in any way.

That's not the point. What you "hope" is irrelevant.

But only they know. And sometimes -- if unpaid but encouraged into a role -- even people functioning as agents of a cause don't know they are.

So now I'm an unpaid disinfo agent? Is that it? What's my motivation then?

You mean these SOHOs ?

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

And btw, I see nancy still has the Kid A images online:

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

In case you don't know ... Kid A hoaxed these pictures and sent them to nancy and she bought it. Kid A then came clear that he was faking the images. Happened all here on GLP a few years back ... the thread where Kid A admitts it was then deleted as far as I know.

Be a detective. Check out ALL leads, is my motto.

Not one that you are following. I posted several links
about Velikovsky and you seem to have ignored them.





For you to go back to lunar rotation is silly, to me. I have said all the evidence about stoppage and rotation wobbles and so on is faulty, as far as I can tell, and you all, as well, have presented.

It's only silly because you dodged it. The Moon rotates
on it's own axis as this animated gif illustrates. Nancy
is flat out wrong:
:Moonspin:

Didn't see it. Where?

That really tears it. You expect us to wade through your
very verbose posts and yet you won't pay attention to multiple
posters pointing out that the pause (there was no backward
movement) has happened several times in the past. But for
the sake of clarity here is what you claim to have missed:
Thread: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!! (Page 528)

As to the rotation, you idiot! The Moon is still not rotating on its own axis -- spin!

It is on a rotation around the earth -- my image was correct of a doll on a pole, rotating around your waist in its own speed, while you rotate on your own axis more quickly.

Relative to the earth's centre, it rotates, instead of staying always over the same spot of the earth.

Nancy didn't know this finer point, but her points as I witnessed them were due to talking of spinning on an axis anyway.

Gee, you guys do insist on specific knowledge when it's actually irrelevant to the point she was making.

Anyway,
Good night.

Looking over this thread the last couple of days, all I see is the debunkers bringing forth one reference and fact after another and Clare only dancing around everything with ridiculous new age mumbo-jumbo. PX either exists and manifests itself in observable and testable ways or it is purely imaginary. Thus far, not a single shred of evidene for its existance has been give except the laughable schtick of Clare claiming that maybe we can't ever "know" anything. What a crock of shit!


Clare, you've made an admirable attempt...at least better than any other bunker to date. But the fact remains that you have brought forth not the first scintilla of evidence for any reasonable person to even entertain the thought that px may exist as claimed by Nancy.

Case closed.

As to the rotation, you idiot!

As to the rotation, you idiot! The Moon is still not rotating on its own axis -- spin!

It is on a rotation around the earth -- my image was correct of a doll on a pole, rotating around your waist in its own speed, while you rotate on your own axis more quickly.

Relative to the earth's centre, it rotates, instead of staying always over the same spot of the earth.

Nancy didn't know this finer point, but her points as I witnessed them were due to talking of spinning on an axis anyway.

Gee, you guys do insist on specific knowledge when it's actually irrelevant to the point she was making.

Anyway,
Good night.

I wonder how much longer she will continue to post here even, the control freak in her seems to be settling in at the ning quite well and her control here seems to be slipping away from her (which she wouldn't be liking in the least....)

Is this for real ???

[link to poleshift.ning.com]

ZetaTalk Chat has moved from godlikeproductions.com to this Ning. The rules have not changed, but the format has. Before you post your question, research www.zetatalk.com. If you cannot find an answer, then post your question here. Any moderator or member who is aware of the quote and location can point the way.


For those who have been attending the ZetaTalk Live chats on GLP, here's a little history for you on the switch. Trinity and I remain fast friends. My email to Trinity:

May 17, 2010

We've been running a live chat with the Zetas since Nov 12, 2005. First on the GLP radio and then a long and often contentious thread each week. Actually, typing is better for me as I have an instant transcript to put on the ZT website then, less work overall for me. You and the GLP setup allowed me to hold these chats, where otherwise it would have been impossible. Back in the old days, late 90's, we held IRC chats and those sent forth to disrupt me would kick me off the network and when I would try to get back on, someone else would be signed on as Nancy and chatting away. So had to stop. But the GLP warriors were strong enough that such a forum was possible, and making me a mod gave me all the firepower I needed to keep the thread clean. I ban away and release them the next morning, so the pages with relevant Q&A are clean for Sunday readers, and that's worked out well.

An old friend of mine, who has been with ZT as a fan since the very start in 1995, started a ning last August [link to poleshift.ning.com] and though it took off slowly, by the holidays had attracted such a good group of people I was astonished. At that time, I was not linking to this ning from my site, so my assumption was that these good folk were somehow guided there. So I linked to Gerard's site and we quickly jumped to 400 members a couple months ago, now 1,100. Even months ago the number of unique visitors daily was around 6,000, with 40,000 for a week. It has proved to be a valuable place to gather data, like oops the Moon is not where it is supposed to be kind of stuff, though I still come to GLP daily for really breaking news and EXCELLENT analysis. So many bright people here.

Gerard has been pushing for months to get me to hold the chats on the ning, but having been burned on IRC I was leary of letting go of the GLP shield. But we have several mods over there and seem to be ahead of the onslaught of pill pushers, prostitutes, ZT naysayers, self promoting eogists, and Bible thumpers. Yes, we have a rule against religious sermons and only allow pole shift related prophecy from a religious source. So far, so good. I am considering moving my chats there, in a slightly different form. The older I get, the more being up on Saturday night past my bed time, typing away, gets tedious. Other than proving that I can do ZT on the spot, doing it live is also not that relevant either. I think the point has been made. So I am thinking of a weekly Q&A where questions are gathered and I pick only the worthy, and just post the answers once a week. The ning has so many ZT savvy people, that if a Q is just ignorant, the questioner gets pointed to the relevant ZT right off. As the Earth changes pick up and newcomers arrive, especially frightened, anxious newcomers, I find we are doing ZT 101 all the time. No quality time for the really good questions, thus.

This has several benefits for me. The idiot questions will be addressed by others so I don't have to address them. I can pre-write the answers and just post once a week. I can go to bed Saturday night with the chickens again (though I understand GLP chat could be held earlier too.) It is primarily the ability to take advantage of ZT savvy people there at the ning to do a lot of the work for me that is the appeal. Many who came to the ning thought we would be discussing the most recent GLP chat results in any case, as it is a forum where ZT fans can discuss without the japping dogs that are set upon me. This puts it all in one place, and that type of post-analysis will occur in friendly quarters.

I hope you are not upset by this decision. You have given me a platform that allowed the chats to HAPPEN, where otherwise they would not have been possible. For this, I am eternally grateful. Bless you, Trinity, and may you continue to fare well.


If this is for real my personal goal is achieved ... LIEDer if off GLP ... please let this be for real Nancy.

If this if for real Nancy, godspeed from me. I think it's a good decision for all, your fans, the debunkers and GLP.

Hmm- and a bit later I gave her 2-3 months before deserting GLP for the ning

Does this mean I can claim a better prediction accuracy than the zetas?????

a couple nights ago, i woke up from the strangest dream. my dreams always seem so real and have so much detail...



Gerard, Cheryl, Brian and I were in a car... Gerard was driving us to this place... it was like a scavanger hunt that we were doing... (all laughing and excited about this) we ended up at this open land. Filled with people... Someone on a megaphone said, "Welcome to our first annual meeting in tribute to Nancy". So many people to around. After a while us four entered back in the car and started driving again... this time we ended up at this house it wastnt in a forest, but had evergreen trees around there was open land every where... the drive way area was long and this house had a huge front lawn. We finally walk that long drive and enter this white panel house with dark trim. When we get inside, there read a sign that said that it was Nancy Lieder's house and that it was turned in to a museum in tribute to her... it was a one level house filled with books, newspapers and alien paraphenalia... by this time it was night... after looking thru the museum, we ended up driving back to this open field site. by the time we arrived, it was day time... we had to enter the armed guarded site which was finced with heavy steal bars that were painted a sky blue... we each had a skeleton key that we had to use as well as pass thru the guard to open the gate with our key...

Hmm- and a bit later I gave her 2-3 months before deserting GLP for the ning

I still think that she will shortly abandon Godlike entirely for the ning only (at least until she kills it like all the other blogs she has started over the years)

Even with mod powers here, she simply can't control other people posting like she can at the ning

and we have all seen how important that total control seems to be to her...

(altho I noticed the `let it wave' one has been a bit uppity there and here, he had better beware, nancy does NOT like sharing the limelight with others)

Does this mean I can claim a better prediction accuracy than the zetas?????

Nibiru(or Tail) was visible during a solar eclipse in Russia, 1 of August 2008. Just found this.

Does this mean I can claim a better prediction accuracy than the zetas?????


Sure does.

As to the rotation, you idiot! The Moon is still not rotating on its own axis -- spin!

Looking over this thread the last couple of days, all I see is the debunkers bringing forth one reference and fact after another and Clare only dancing around everything with ridiculous new age mumbo-jumbo. PX either exists and manifests itself in observable and testable ways or it is purely imaginary. Thus far, not a single shred of evidene for its existance has been give except the laughable schtick of Clare claiming that maybe we can't ever "know" anything. What a crock of shit!


Clare, you've made an admirable attempt...at least better than any other bunker to date. But the fact remains that you have brought forth not the first scintilla of evidence for any reasonable person to even entertain the thought that px may exist as claimed by Nancy.

Case closed.


I responded with items which have not been answered fully yet, and answered more honestly than the debunkers on things like hoax claims not being bedrock of logical proof of hoaxes.

Only the German fellow is taking me up on the bigger questions.

However, the SPT images seem in fact to be hoaxed, if the SPT images must look like the image linked to by someone (I forget who now).

And no-one has handled the holes of repulsion in the magnetosphere at the wrong time (when the Sun attracts) either.

Any takers?

And I have been absolutely consistent in acknowledging all points and pointing out when they do and when they don't add up.

Gee, you guys do insist on specific knowledge when it's actually irrelevant to the point she was making.

Anyway,
Good night.

I am being generous and civil. I am bound to miss something posted from time to time. So cut the crap.

This thread will live on, especially as long as we can copy
the nonsense posted there and comment on it here.

I am being generous and civil. I am bound to miss something posted from time to time. So cut the crap.




No you are not. You are yet another in a long line of pathetic ZetaTalk trolls. You will NEVER accept that Planet X is bullshit because you are not interested in truth - preferring instead to live in your own little comfortable delusion.

You ignore the FUNDAMENTAL scientific issues that PROVE conclusively that Nancy's Planet X cannot exist (in this universe, with its currently observed laws of Nature), and choose to focus on insignificant semantic points. Typical bunker obfuscation.

Good image to compare the SPT images.

Re. saying hoax, merely wanted to keep the line open because it doesn't OF ITSELF prove it was.

Your image suggests it was.

Good!

Re. Moon rotation: her point was it doesn't show a different face. Her examples show she's trying to say that. She clearly doesn't understand both can be true.

Cheers.


Ohh.... and Clare... Nancy says that Astronut is a lying government agent. Why would you believe what he just said? All you have to do is lump him in with all the other conspirators and you have your precious, overarching doubt fully intact again! YAY!


Astronut? I see.

Well. First, who knows if anyone's a shill. The term is bandied about a lot, but there are such people.

Second, Nancy clearly feels defensive. People do tend to suggest such things when they are.

As to my doubt: it is simply a mental exercise to remind me to keep going until certainties are clear and uncertainties on either side are also clear.

Sherlock Holmes was written to say, "When you've eliminated the impossible ..." Well, we have to be careful truly to eliminate what's impossible, not leave possibilities unacknowledged and merely off-the-cuff treat them as self-evident.

:)

[qupte:Anonymous Coward 974395]

You mean these SOHOs ?

[link to www.zetatalk.com]


I forgot to put in the nicce comparison links on anomalies and pixel problems which links fom Menow povided, after a few clicks (thanks, Menow), but which show nothing comparable:

[link to web.archive.org]

... and particularly the folowing:

[link to web.archive.org]

Bye. :)

Happy hunting. I know it's a lot of listening and reading. I did it 2-3 months ago.