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Astronut Senior Forum Moderator  User ID: 634208  United States11/01/2010 08:58 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | this "rotation" you refer to is a relative thing, abstract, optical illusion Quoting: andrewIf it's just an abstract optical illusion, why is it easier for a spacecraft to launch eastward from the moon's surface to reach lunar orbit than westward from the moon's surface?  |
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| Menow User ID: 1119283 United States11/01/2010 09:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In respect of having the option and ability to ban a poster from our debunkers thread I can only think of ONE reason to do so....namely the use of the "C" word(with four letters and ends in "t"). Quoting: The Lone Ranger:Loneranger:myself That's: Cant cast cart celt cent cert cest chat chit coat coit cost :>  Yes Prof-rabbit.....getting warm!!:tlr4: and maybe Melfy could do the honour and display to us all his superior IQ by revealing the "secret" word and then giving us the added bonus of a second confirmation.....just so that I can.....  Curt... I bet it's curt! |
| Gazmik User ID: 487277 United States11/01/2010 09:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
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| Menow User ID: 1119283 United States11/01/2010 09:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | are you really that DUMB? Quoting: andrew"changes position as a part of its orbit bla bla..." - what utter nonsense! the right part of that gif is misleading - for if it was doing it while staying in place - i agree it could be called rotation around its axis. Really? If something is moving, that means it isn't rotating? Why? Does that mean Earth is not rotating? but if ytou look at left part of gif you see how it is - it is orbiting around Earth with obe side 'glued' permanently to Earth! - just exactly like Nancy/Zetas said! Quoting: andrewPermanently? When did they say that, and what makes it permanent? I already asked you what would happen to the Moon if Earth suddenly went missing. Why didn't you answer? what it does ( as evidenced by red dot) is not rotate around its axis, it orbits Earth with one side glued to it! that doesnt equal rotation around its axis! Quoting: andrewOf course it does. I already asked you if Earth was rotating, but you didn't answer. Is Earth rotating? How do you know? and to the contrary - if it WAS rotating, red dot would point out at times. and it does NOT. this right part of gif is misleading. Quoting: andrewHow can a point on the surface of a rotating body always point in the same direction? |
| Menow User ID: 1119283 United States11/01/2010 10:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | :Moonspin: Quoting: andrewthis animation does not show rotation of Moon around its axis, of its own! this "rotation" you refer to is a relative thing, abstract, optical illusion What does "of its own" mean? What other body do you think the Moon's rotation belongs to? |
| Menow User ID: 1119283 United States11/01/2010 10:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | this animation does not show rotation of Moon around its axis, of its own! Quoting: andrewthis "rotation" you refer to is a relative thing, abstract, optical illusion By the way, Andrew... All this is not the claim of Nancy's I asked you about in the first place. It was her lying about "Moon facts". Are you afraid to talk about that? |
| andrew User ID: 1148635  Ukraine11/01/2010 10:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation |  this animation does not show rotation of Moon around its axis, of its own! this "rotation" you refer to is a relative thing, abstract, optical illusion What does "of its own" mean? What other body do you think the Moon's rotation belongs to? the fact is, they dont know why does it behave that way or it doesnt stick with their sacred formula, so they invent something science-like, some pseudoscientific crap like "changes position as a part of its orbit..". Moon in that gif anim does not rotate around its axis, all it does is rotate around Earth! (it has no spin around its own axis) |
| andrew User ID: 1148635 Ukraine11/01/2010 10:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | this animation does not show rotation of Moon around its axis, of its own! Quoting: Menow 1119283this "rotation" you refer to is a relative thing, abstract, optical illusion By the way, Andrew... All this is not the claim of Nancy's I asked you about in the first place. It was her lying about "Moon facts". Are you afraid to talk about that? "Moon facts" were about the wobble - "moon out of place" is an effect of wobble |
| ***ZetaMaX*** User ID: 659599 United States11/01/2010 10:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Curt... I bet it's curt! Quoting: GazmikMust not be "cult". Anyone who use the word "CULT" again, will be FOREVER banned from my Buddy List!!!! YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!!! Last Edited by ***ZetaMaX*** on 11/01/2010 10:21 AM The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations. ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997. [link to www.zetatalk.com] ZetaMax |
| Menow User ID: 1119283 United States11/01/2010 10:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | this animation does not show rotation of Moon around its axis, of its own! Quoting: andrewthis "rotation" you refer to is a relative thing, abstract, optical illusion What does "of its own" mean? What other body do you think the Moon's rotation belongs to? the fact is, they dont know why does it behave that way or it doesnt stick with their sacred formula, so they invent something science-like, some pseudoscientific crap like "changes position as a part of its orbit..". Moon in that gif anim does not rotate around its axis, all it does is rotate around Earth! (it has no spin around its own axis) 1) The Moon doesn't 'rotate' around Earth, it 'ROVOLVES' around Earth. 2) What do you mean they don't know why? Of course 'they' do. What formula do you think the Moon is violating? 3) I asked you what "of its own" means. You didn't answer. |
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| Marquis User ID: 1122234  United Kingdom11/01/2010 10:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the fact is, they dont know why does it behave that way or it doesnt stick with their sacred formula, so they invent something science-like, some pseudoscientific crap like "changes position as a part of its orbit..". Quoting: andrewA change in position is the exact definition of motion. The moon orbits the earth. An orbit involves motion. Therefore the moon changes position. This is not complicated. |
| Menow User ID: 1119283 United States11/01/2010 10:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | this animation does not show rotation of Moon around its axis, of its own! Quoting: andrewthis "rotation" you refer to is a relative thing, abstract, optical illusion By the way, Andrew... All this is not the claim of Nancy's I asked you about in the first place. It was her lying about "Moon facts". Are you afraid to talk about that? "Moon facts" were about the wobble - "moon out of place" is an effect of wobble No. "Moon facts" was about Nancy's falsification of the definition of "libration". I even quoted it for you. It wasn't about the Moon being 'out of place' at all. It was about the Moon's apparent rotation as it crosses the sky. You don't seem to even understand what Nancy was saying. That's why I asked you to describe what you think was being claimed. You didn't answer. |
| andrew User ID: 1148635 Ukraine11/01/2010 10:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | this animation does not show rotation of Moon around its axis, of its own! Quoting: Menow 1119283this "rotation" you refer to is a relative thing, abstract, optical illusion What does "of its own" mean? What other body do you think the Moon's rotation belongs to? the fact is, they dont know why does it behave that way or it doesnt stick with their sacred formula, so they invent something science-like, some pseudoscientific crap like "changes position as a part of its orbit..". Moon in that gif anim does not rotate around its axis, all it does is rotate around Earth! (it has no spin around its own axis) 1) The Moon doesn't 'rotate' around Earth, it 'ROVOLVES' around Earth. 2) What do you mean they don't know why? Of course 'they' do. What formula do you think the Moon is violating? 3) I asked you what "of its own" means. You didn't answer. Moon does not rotate around its axis, all it does is rotate around Earth! (it has no spin around its own axis) |
| Menow User ID: 1119283 United States11/01/2010 10:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | this animation does not show rotation of Moon around its axis, of its own! Quoting: andrewthis "rotation" you refer to is a relative thing, abstract, optical illusion What does "of its own" mean? What other body do you think the Moon's rotation belongs to? the fact is, they dont know why does it behave that way or it doesnt stick with their sacred formula, so they invent something science-like, some pseudoscientific crap like "changes position as a part of its orbit..". Moon in that gif anim does not rotate around its axis, all it does is rotate around Earth! (it has no spin around its own axis) 1) The Moon doesn't 'rotate' around Earth, it 'ROVOLVES' around Earth. 2) What do you mean they don't know why? Of course 'they' do. What formula do you think the Moon is violating? 3) I asked you what "of its own" means. You didn't answer. Moon does not rotate around its axis, all it does is rotate around Earth! (it has no spin around its own axis) See the bolded above. An orbit is called a 'revolution' not a rotation. You are confusing the terms. Now... if all you are going to do is repeat the "Zeta party line" and refuse to answer the questions of discussion I ask you, I'll not waste any more time. |
| andrew User ID: 1148635 Ukraine11/01/2010 10:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the fact is, they dont know why does it behave that way or it doesnt stick with their sacred formula, so they invent something science-like, some pseudoscientific crap like "changes position as a part of its orbit..". Quoting: MarquisA change in position is the exact definition of motion. The moon orbits the earth. An orbit involves motion. Therefore the moon changes position. This is not complicated. a change in position is not rotation around its own axis (that is - spin). "orbit involves motion" does not equal spin around its own axis too |
| andrew User ID: 1148635 Ukraine11/01/2010 10:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | this animation does not show rotation of Moon around its axis, of its own! Quoting: Menow 1119283this "rotation" you refer to is a relative thing, abstract, optical illusion What does "of its own" mean? What other body do you think the Moon's rotation belongs to? the fact is, they dont know why does it behave that way or it doesnt stick with their sacred formula, so they invent something science-like, some pseudoscientific crap like "changes position as a part of its orbit..". Moon in that gif anim does not rotate around its axis, all it does is rotate around Earth! (it has no spin around its own axis) 1) The Moon doesn't 'rotate' around Earth, it 'ROVOLVES' around Earth. 2) What do you mean they don't know why? Of course 'they' do. What formula do you think the Moon is violating? 3) I asked you what "of its own" means. You didn't answer. Moon does not rotate around its axis, all it does is rotate around Earth! (it has no spin around its own axis) See the bolded above. An orbit is called a 'revolution' not a rotation. You are confusing the terms. Now... if all you are going to do is repeat the "Zeta party line" and refuse to answer the questions of discussion I ask you, I'll not waste any more time. i answered you! "of its own" means Moon lacks spin around its own axis. what we see in that gif is not spin around its axis, its optical effect |
| The_Returner User ID: 997 United States11/01/2010 10:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | this animation does not show rotation of Moon around its axis, of its own! Quoting: andrewthis "rotation" you refer to is a relative thing, abstract, optical illusion What does "of its own" mean? What other body do you think the Moon's rotation belongs to? the fact is, they dont know why does it behave that way or it doesnt stick with their sacred formula, so they invent something science-like, some pseudoscientific crap like "changes position as a part of its orbit..". Moon in that gif anim does not rotate around its axis, all it does is rotate around Earth! (it has no spin around its own axis) 1) The Moon doesn't 'rotate' around Earth, it 'ROVOLVES' around Earth. 2) What do you mean they don't know why? Of course 'they' do. What formula do you think the Moon is violating? 3) I asked you what "of its own" means. You didn't answer. Moon does not rotate around its axis, all it does is rotate around Earth! (it has no spin around its own axis) See the bolded above. An orbit is called a 'revolution' not a rotation. You are confusing the terms. Now... if all you are going to do is repeat the "Zeta party line" and refuse to answer the questions of discussion I ask you, I'll not waste any more time. i answered you! "of its own" means Moon lacks spin around its own axis. what we see in that gif is not spin around its axis, its optical effect WRONG. You truly are as stupid as you sound. Well-Paid Government Shill |
| Marquis User ID: 1122234 United Kingdom11/01/2010 10:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | a change in position is not rotation around its own axis (that is - spin). Quoting: andrew"orbit involves motion" does not equal spin around its own axis too Are you reading some sort of weird phantom posts that no one else can see? Are you responding to the Great Gazoo? Because you don't seem to be reading my posts at all before you respond to them. The moon revolves around the Earth AND spins on its own axis. The fact that the same side faces the earth is proof of its spin because of the fact that it moves. If it did not spin in addition to revolving around the Earth, then we would not see the same side all the time. We would see different sides because we would be viewing it from different angles. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1148631  Germany11/01/2010 10:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "of its own" means Moon lacks spin around its own axis. what we see in that gif is not spin around its axis, its optical effect Quoting: andrewYou are stupid as a brokeback breadspider ... unbelievable ... Here, play around with this little flash-demonstration: [link to www.edumedia-sciences.com] I doubt it will make you see the light though, you are beyond any help. |
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| Menow User ID: 1119283 United States11/01/2010 10:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | this animation does not show rotation of Moon around its axis, of its own! Quoting: andrewthis "rotation" you refer to is a relative thing, abstract, optical illusion What does "of its own" mean? What other body do you think the Moon's rotation belongs to? the fact is, they dont know why does it behave that way or it doesnt stick with their sacred formula, so they invent something science-like, some pseudoscientific crap like "changes position as a part of its orbit..". Moon in that gif anim does not rotate around its axis, all it does is rotate around Earth! (it has no spin around its own axis) 1) The Moon doesn't 'rotate' around Earth, it 'ROVOLVES' around Earth. 2) What do you mean they don't know why? Of course 'they' do. What formula do you think the Moon is violating? 3) I asked you what "of its own" means. You didn't answer. Moon does not rotate around its axis, all it does is rotate around Earth! (it has no spin around its own axis) See the bolded above. An orbit is called a 'revolution' not a rotation. You are confusing the terms. Now... if all you are going to do is repeat the "Zeta party line" and refuse to answer the questions of discussion I ask you, I'll not waste any more time. i answered you! "of its own" means Moon lacks spin around its own axis. what we see in that gif is not spin around its axis, its optical effect No, I have asked you maybe a dozen questions on the last page or so that you have not answered. Your response, here, is not truly responsive to the questione. If you are going to converse in a language (English) other than your native one, you need to be more carefull if you want to be understood. Now... "Of its own" is what I asked you about the meaning of, but your answer is not direct. You just used it as an excuse to repeat the "Zeta party line" again that the Moon doesn't spin. I have asked you if Earth rotates. Does it? How do you know? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1148631 Germany11/01/2010 10:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Maybe this will help you: Put a chair in the middle of your wank-bunker (meaning your room). Then stand a meter away from it, facing the chair. Now try to walk around circling the chair and while doing this stay facing the chair without turning your head. If you are not as stupid as we think you are you will see that you have to rotate around your own body axis to stay facing the chair. |
| Menow User ID: 1119283 United States11/01/2010 10:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | this is the same as to say that Sun revolves around Earth based on what we can see, what it appears to us Quoting: andrewYes it is. That is exactly what YOU are doing by saying the Moon doesn't rotate because it doesn't APPEAR to rotate from Earth. |
| Astronut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 634208 United States11/01/2010 10:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | this "rotation" you refer to is a relative thing, abstract, optical illusion Quoting: andrewIf it's just an abstract optical illusion, why is it easier for a spacecraft to launch eastward from the moon's surface to reach lunar orbit than westward from the moon's surface? Quoting: AstronutWell andy boy? Are you going to answer me or not? You STILL haven't touched my other point, about the sun and moon being where they should be, at all. |
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| Menow User ID: 1119283 United States11/01/2010 11:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | this is the same as to say that Sun revolves around Earth based on what we can see, what it appears to us Quoting: Menow 1119283Quoting: andrew Yes it is. That is exactly what YOU are doing by saying the Moon doesn't rotate because it doesn't APPEAR to rotate from Earth. Chapter 17: In which Andy shoots himself in the foot and then runs away.  |
