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Don't think that's so, so I would like some supporting corroberation. You may be getting confused about the iron reacting to magnetic reversals, happening, I believe, over millions of years. There is no correlation I know of with a supposed 3600 year orbit of an invisible planet. Do you have anything besides the usual suspects (Nancy) supporting this with a falsifiable hyptohesis?

No, it doesn't. Seen it debated many times. If Dr Postman was still around he would take you up on that bit. Maybe someone else here wants to. I won't go to the trouble. Go ahead and present your info, if you want.



Yep- for the 1980s. So why didn't it happen? Actually, that sort of stuff originally got me interested in the subject. There does seem to be a big push on that idea from somewhere- not sure where. It seems to have no basis in fact, however.




Maybe you should go fuck yourself. Challenging false info is not "spreading hate".

Allrighty if you want to stick to that analogy, please...
I however wouldn't call it as that because "obvious horseshit" in my opinion is something that EVERYONE easly recognizes as that and given that many people buy into it, its anything else than "obvious". The horseshit is applyable though.



Well I indirectly answered this between the lines, however to name it again:

Because I felt comfortable with many of her theories. (Some that _Billy Madison_ described above)



Abnormally rotating Moon? Seems I missed that, however in Germany you do not grow up with "BASIC astronomy" in school so I guess I ignored most of these stuff right from the start.
In that I was simply naive and/or ignoring obvious mismatches with logic, however Nancy's claims usally are not too obvious for the reader.
I was simply lazy with thinking... a common problem.



I can't change the past, this is nothing new... btw: Why am I not supposed to be in a position to give advice here? Because I've not been here long enough to understand simple psychologic expressions?

BTW: Congrats that you "knew it all along", if that means anything important to you... why not..




Actually it was a little more than "amateur psychology", it were the philosophic aspects, the (occasional) correlation with other sources, the concepts of densities, ET's, etc.. (some of the stuff Billy mentioned above).



At the point were emotions become part of an argument, they certainly become part of the business aswell.

Don't hate because I don't take main stream media sources seriously. All the internet will provide are some half-assed scientific articles about utter bullshit. Even if I'm wrong and earth doesn't experience periodic cataclysms, with the current mindset of people I encounter on a daily basis it's only a matter of time until we destroy earth.

Instead of nitpicking every little detail, try and see the bigger picture here. Change is coming in our life times whether u believe so or not. Maybe it will be a pole shift, maybe it will be nuclear Armageddon, maybe it will be overpopulation, maybe it will be disease, maybe it will be due to resource depletion. The cause doesn't matter, what matters is change.

Every great civilization has fallen, what makes u think we are any different, maybe NOW is the time to start working on helping each other and making the world a better place rather than discouraging people for reading between the lines. WIse up mate.. look around at whats happening in the world, the violence, the hate, the poverty, the weather, the earthquakes. It's all related. Humanity is so arrogant its unbelievable, there are bigger things happening right now than you and me.

Tell me what causes the weakening jet stream, the MASSIVE increase in earthquakes, the increasingly erratic weather, the increase in fireballs, the increase in albinism amongst animals (see white buffalo prophecy, the increase in mutated frogs, the increase in volcanism, the increase in sink holes, the sinking of India. Sure there are human related causes, but its bigger than that.. If I'm wrong and in 10 years time and the world has undergone no drastic changes, then i will happily eat my words but at the moment I'm basing my beliefs on personally observed changes that have occurred through out my life time, I'm just reading between the lines. Hopefully this time we will learn from past mistakes before its too late.

Obvious to anyone who knows the first thing about science, logic or astronomy, OR IS WILLING TO STUDY THOSE THINGS.




I consider that a non-answer. Did you just not THINK about the "explanations" Nancy trotted out?




Well, that could explain it. It's just that every bit of nonsense Nancy uttered was thoroughly debunked. I suppose you just refused to read anything which countered her?



I see... you don't think it matters whether people use their brains or not... Nothing matters.. No choices are better than any other choices. You're one of those "it's all good" people. Sheesh! I suppose that's how you ended up being sucked in by Nancy, hmm?



Billy mentioned some non-factual-evidence.



I see... you are devoid of emotional response? Get real.

"Maybe you should go fuck yourself"...... Well done mate, how mature are you?

"Yep- for the 1980s. So why didn't it happen? Actually, that sort of stuff originally got me interested in the subject. There does seem to be a big push on that idea from somewhere- not sure where. It seems to have no basis in fact, however."

^^^ regarding this.... Try and take the underlying message that correlates through out all the prophecies, rather than focusing on the details. Edgar Cayce was a man, mistakes are to be expected. Don't forget that predictions are probabilities with the outcomes being effected by many differing influences, keep this in mind before discrediting things so hastily.



EDIT: You are happy to belittle people for having believed Nancy when you yourself admit that Edgar Cayce type stuff originally sparked your interest in this subject matter, I see little to no difference here as Both Edgar and Nancy are making similar claims!!!



Last Edited by __SARAH__ on 07/19/2012 07:46 PM

Nonsense. The internet has LOTS of nice resources about astronomical things. You have just bought in to the "NASA means never a straight answer" bullshit.



That is EXACTLY how Nancy Lieder, et al, have foisted their hoaxes on the public... Ignore the DETAILS and fall for the mountain of innuendo. You are STILL falling for it!




This has been true since the beginning of time. Get a grip.



Sorry. Not happening.





Again... get a grip. Get off the internet for a while, maybe.

You fail to address ANYTHING!! *Sigh*

Get a grip? I should tell you to WAKE UP and look around you. I honestly pity you for not being able to perceive reality as it really is.

Your really a typical skeptic, no desire for intellectual conversation , instead just insults. But what more can i expect from a backward race of hairless apes??

EDIT:


This has been true since the beginning of time. Get a grip.

Yes it has and we civilizations have fallen, Egypt, Mesopotamia, Rome.... Next = America.... Enjoy your rubbish economy!!

Last Edited by __SARAH__ on 07/19/2012 07:52 PM

Let's see... you accused me of "spreading hate". Allow me to repeat my appropriate response: Go fuck yourself.




So... how long am I supposed to wait for this failed prophecy to occur? Bear in mind that I have quite a lot of experience with channeled entities and failed predictions. There has been an obvious push on this idea. Why? I don't know.




I did NOT "belittle" anyone until *I* was told that I should have behaved differently. Pay attention!

"You fail to address ANYTHING!"

See those bits between where I quoted parts of your post? That is where I addressed what you said. Try again?

When did we begin to discuss the American economy? Are you having a conversation with someone who is not here?

"You fail to address ANYTHING!"

See those bits between where I quoted parts of your post? That is where I addressed what you said. Try again?

Saying "get a grip" does not constitute addressing an issue.. I'm sorry my words here are being wasted.

Enjoy wallowing in your own mess of skepticism and close-mindedness. It was a pleasure chatting, but i better get off the internet for a while, like you so kindly pointed out..

I guess this does not include the majority of the Ningsters then..



Of course I did think about them... and many of them follow rational paths.

Nancy provided many claims that are imaginnable (like her descriptions about ET lifeforms or what they might be like) and sometimes even realistic (like the thought of some organisation-structure that would develop over time, given that an intelligent species came to some conclusions previously.), though on the contrary totally absurd and clearly wrong claims aswell.




Nope. I did read these "debunked" claims, however I also noticed that a lot of ego and battles were involved which lowered the overall credibility of these "debunked claims" as I explained them to myself of a pure emotional background at that time.

Which btw is the reason why I think its so important to remain as objective as possible about these matters as there are other people fooled by this aswell.



Um. How do you come to the conclusion that I think it doesn't matter if people use their brains or not? And what is a "it's all good" person, and how do you come to this assumption if I may ask?



Billy mentioned some aspects that rang true for me. (The concepts of densities, awakening etc..)



Nope. Never claimed that... The point is that sometimes it needs to be pointed out because not everyone can read between the lines to interpret statements in a more objective way.
Im not devoid(denying) my human-nature. Not at all.

Enjoy ignoring 95% of what I said and pretending that one brief quip was all I had to say.

Obviously, but several of us are curious about your specific mindset. We are just incredulous that anyone who has any modicum of intelligence could be taken in by Nancy's story.



No, they didn't. They required that you steadfastly ignore all rational input from other sources and listen ONLY to Nancy. It's cult-stuff, for sure.



So you ignored all of the factual info offered and focused on the moments when people got frustrated and got a bit reactionary? Didn't you see where Nancy repeatedly got nasty herself?



I don't see your words to which I responded, so I can't re-asses my comment on that bit now.



All that is vague stuff. I'm talking about concrete factual date. Nancy's story is completely devoid of hard facts. It's just outright lies, one after the other...



You lost me, except where there is clearly an emotional aspect of how people got sucked into Nancy's story. That is certainly true.

Is this Planet X? Lurking Near Venus in our View?
[link to poleshift.ning.com]


Is she just extremely cautious or is she going to become rattled?

All her highlights were debunked:

Dark Twin Neumayer 3 in April
Solar eclipse in May
Venus transit in June
PX with moons in CFH-Telescope video
Dark Twin Neumayer 3 just now


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Now her planet is to be seen near the Moon?!?

The "Hawaii scope"?? Actually some sort of web cam?

Yep.

Let's look what the Zetas say to this - I'm waiting to get off the starting blocks.


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My experience is that no matter how "rattled" Nancy seems or how ludicrous her current claim might be, she never fails to find a way to spin it all to make herself seem "right".

Gawd, they absolutely STRAIN to find a way to believe what Nancy says.



[link to poleshift.ning.com]

Comment by Kris H 36 minutes ago
My other thought is maybe PX tail debris lining up and being illuminated from the Sun and Moon reflection? Who knows how close those brown orbs are, in a 2D representation.

Meaning him - not you Menow.

Um okay.. this gonna be a long reply..

Im basically a regular intelligent, curious human. Specifically I initially was interested in anti-gravity tech. or the free-energy stuff... Invariably came across the alien-presence, UFOs, CCs, prophets, conspiracies and finally the 2012 Hype. Curious as we are, I went into the jungle to search for the truth, if any.
What is left, is what most of these alternative-news contain: bits of truth in a jungle of BS (HS).

Then some day I came across ZT (Dont remember how exactly). A rubbish html website with some crazy stuff written in it.
An old woman claims to be in contact with some aliens and they seem to be giving her a lot of information, several thousand sites in fact.
Whats written in it?
Seemingly unrelated and disorganized at first a structure became obvious over time and claims began to support each other, seemingly explaining a lot of questions:

What are the aliens doing here?
Why do the UFOs appear as they do, and why is the government having a certain stance to it?
Why are aliens portrayed in the media in a certain way, and what is the general mindest about extra-terrestrial life?

Then these more "spiritual" questions:

Is there something as an "awakening" going on, as seemingly hinted by many individual sources?
What could our spiritual-situation may be? And is there a something as a soul?

Finally,

Are there earth-changes going on? The weather seems getting unpredictable?
Are earthquakes on the increase or volcanoes waking up? Could this be related?

And Nancy of course provided answers to all these questions that many of us asked themselves when they came across the conspiracy theories.

Facts are constantly bended to dramatisize the situation to keep the believers in the constant belief that they are expecting what is to be expected. The USGS was claimed to be wildy downgrading, NASA claimed to be doctoring, all to have nothing but PX on the stage.

Yes it seems like a obvious-horseshit from this perspective, however this goes deeper. People ignore these matters if they percept enough correlation elsewhere (her alleged ZT accuracy which is no accuracy at all) and feel enough comfortable with the overall theories.)

(BTW: did you read the "when prophecy fails" entry on wikipedia? Thats basically what is occuring with her believers. )

What is left now?

Some concepts still relate to reality with me or are considered likely possible, such as "telepathy", that souls exist, the alien-presence, which in my opinion is undeniable nowadays with regular sightings around the world (Yes I think there are genuine sightings with some advanced technology, beside myself having an obvious sighting at local place with a couple of friends which was a personal confirmation for us,
that some awakening process seems going on globally, which seems to be related to people getting increasingly aware, intelligent, and striving for a better future,

that cropcircles are an interesting phenomena with seemingly unexplained effects. (Like bent grain, or magnetic particles found in the soil, "apical-node-elongation", although these claims would need to be analysed more closely, [link to www.bltresearch.com] , at best from more sources, anyone?).

that humans could have had contact with extra-terrestrials in the past,

that "earth changes" are seemingly on the increase and common scientific theories seem to falter. (Or does anyone found a explain-it-all as yet? "Global Warming"?

that a lot of charlatans are out there who noticed the potiential of placing baits into these areas to prey on new victims,
and its easy to fall for it even if you are an overall intelligent person.



Rational thinking is just a way of coming to our conclusions and I never really lost it. (Even though it was not "critical enough" for sure.)
However Nancy made her "construct" in a way that seems to support rational thinking. Cause and effect.
"The totally dramatizised earth changes are due to PX slowing the earths core, causing friction, heating the plates from below, heating the ocean, heating the air, blah blah..."

"The UFO's appear in a certain way to not interfere with the free-will and some other rules, and they are related to an awakening process, gradually increasing to prevent too much influence to the inhabitants of the planets."

For every question there is an answer, so Nancy presents seemingly rational explanations because she knows it is that what the human mind is asking for.

Some big quake over Plate A?
Nancy: Plate B crumbles into Plate A, because PX pushes the earths northpole, causing the famous "earth wobble" smashing the plates against each other.

A cropcircle showing a swirl?
Nancy: Depicting PX clockwise rotation in relation to Earths rotation as she stated before..

And so on...and so on..

A pile of lies, supporting one another. (Though not truely)

Nancy seemed to be familar with local plate-tectonics, astronomic questions, psychological questions, sociological questions.
Could an old woman answer so many questions? For such a long while?

The perfect wolf in sheep's clothing.




Not really.. at least I dont have anything directly popping up into my mind regarding factual info that I was aware at that time.

Can you name some highlights? Im sure they'll be worthy to bring up again.

I was aware of Zetasquawk at that time, though they were often defamatory (like many others who ride on the puppy-thing) which Nancy uses to claim they're pushing a bad image of herself..




Um. Thats a little too simplistic in my mind. Afterall Nancy's BS comes from her own.. and she needs think about the questions presented to her.
There are thoughts of herself that are even going into the right direction, since she needs to do her best because she has to avoid too many lies.

Some of the thoughts about an apocalyptic scenario are quite useful. (Although I guess it was more of an achievment from the TT guys and overall people.)

However saying "one lie after another" is a little unrealistic, its more a set of lies based on bits of truth.

The bits of truth form the bait.
Lies are applied over the bait, expanding the (w)hole while supporting each other.

Keep piling and you have your "horseshit"



;)

Ah, and yup. Its definetly cult-stuff. [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Can't say that I had honestly noticed it. But it would appear therefore that even GLP has its limits as to the kind of "crock of shit" doomsday bullshit that it will allow on any given thread. so so sad..... NOT!! that ALL reference to old Clify Boy's CRAPOLA was removed from our thread.

TLR.

btw: Im watching "Osage Pete" for a while now,
[link to poleshift.ning.com]
Could be a fake-support.

And "xtcpctech",
[link to poleshift.ning.com]

Thank you very much for your detailed post.

I'm going to digest it for awhile, then I might have further questions, if you are willing.

Again, thanks much.

Appeal to ignorance.
You not being able to come up with a better explanation doesn't mean there isn't one.

Also begging the question.
You presume that there must be a reason.


No mystic has ever produced new information relating to the physical world.

Nancy has never produced new 'information' relating to the physical world.
Since she's started her cult hundreds of new planets have been discovered, none of which were predicted by the 'Zetas'.


How is that relevant to the question whether or not there is a PX, or whether the Earth is moving?


It's only obvious to the I-want-to-believe crowd.


Yes it is.


Einstein died in 1955, before we figured out plate tectonics.

Where does the delusion that Einstein was the infallible authority on every subject come from anyway?
Not from Einstein.


So we must change our ways.
Joining a doomsday cult cowering in fear is not doing that in a positive way.
Start by separating your recyclables and voting green.
Do something positive.




And you do? Don't make me laugh.


You are confused about paleomagnetism.
The lava flows don't align with magnetic north, the iron crystals in it do.
When lava solidifies these crystals are frozen in their position, so we can see where magnetic north was for that bit of planet when it happened.
It's solid evidence for plate tectonics.

Theoretically it would be possible for the Earth's axis to slowly tilt over a period of many a million years, but a cataclysmic shift would require so much energy that the Earth's crust would melt all the way down to the mantel.
Which means that there couldn't be any rocks older then the last pole shift if it ever happened, the oldest rocks we have are about 4 billion years old.
Don't try to use geology, it all proofs you wrong.


Funny how that is a lie.


Interpretation and speculation.
Since pole shift never happened it's all utterly irrelevant.


We'd like you a lot more if you stopped spewing fear-mongering bullshit.


Last Edited by Halcyon Dayz, FCD on 07/20/2012 01:30 AM

Sadly this does NOT show earth pole changes as nancy and her ilk depict (ie physical `flipping' of the planet- in fact it nullifies it entirely as the field would flip with the planet and there would be no changes to record...)

It does support the internal magnetic dynamo theory and surprisingly enough the same theory supports the suns magnetic field- which actually changes every 11 years (approximately)- so we have even observed these `pole shifts' in action!!!

Like many, you seem to be confusing the rotational axis `poles' with the magnetic poles- this is very common amongst the woowoo's, but I first learned the difference when I was in my preteens at cubs, when we were doing orienteering (map reading with compasses) and learned the difference between the north pole and the magnetic north pole-and the hows and whys of how it worked- that was back in the 70's so it was known then....