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No - they refuse to have the notion SHOVED DOWN THEIR THROATS by arrogant and rude debunkers.

Given time, most will QUIETLY discern the truth, and unceremoniously fade from the scene.

Um okay.. this gonna be a long reply..

Im basically a regular intelligent, curious human. Specifically I initially was interested in anti-gravity tech. or the free-energy stuff... Invariably came across the alien-presence, UFOs, CCs, prophets, conspiracies and finally the 2012 Hype. Curious as we are, I went into the jungle to search for the truth, if any.
What is left, is what most of these alternative-news contain: bits of truth in a jungle of BS (HS).

Then some day I came across ZT (Dont remember how exactly). A rubbish html website with some crazy stuff written in it.
An old woman claims to be in contact with some aliens and they seem to be giving her a lot of information, several thousand sites in fact.
Whats written in it?
Seemingly unrelated and disorganized at first a structure became obvious over time and claims began to support each other, seemingly explaining a lot of questions:

What are the aliens doing here?
Why do the UFOs appear as they do, and why is the government having a certain stance to it?
Why are aliens portrayed in the media in a certain way, and what is the general mindest about extra-terrestrial life?

Then these more "spiritual" questions:

Is there something as an "awakening" going on, as seemingly hinted by many individual sources?
What could our spiritual-situation may be? And is there a something as a soul?

Finally,

Are there earth-changes going on? The weather seems getting unpredictable?
Are earthquakes on the increase or volcanoes waking up? Could this be related?

And Nancy of course provided answers to all these questions that many of us asked themselves when they came across the conspiracy theories.

Facts are constantly bended to dramatisize the situation to keep the believers in the constant belief that they are expecting what is to be expected. The USGS was claimed to be wildy downgrading, NASA claimed to be doctoring, all to have nothing but PX on the stage.

Yes it seems like a obvious-horseshit from this perspective, however this goes deeper. People ignore these matters if they percept enough correlation elsewhere (her alleged ZT accuracy which is no accuracy at all) and feel enough comfortable with the overall theories.)

(BTW: did you read the "when prophecy fails" entry on wikipedia? Thats basically what is occuring with her believers. )

What is left now?

Some concepts still relate to reality with me or are considered likely possible, such as "telepathy", that souls exist, the alien-presence, which in my opinion is undeniable nowadays with regular sightings around the world (Yes I think there are genuine sightings with some advanced technology, beside myself having an obvious sighting at local place with a couple of friends which was a personal confirmation for us,
that some awakening process seems going on globally, which seems to be related to people getting increasingly aware, intelligent, and striving for a better future,

that cropcircles are an interesting phenomena with seemingly unexplained effects. (Like bent grain, or magnetic particles found in the soil, "apical-node-elongation", although these claims would need to be analysed more closely, [link to www.bltresearch.com] , at best from more sources, anyone?).

that humans could have had contact with extra-terrestrials in the past,

that "earth changes" are seemingly on the increase and common scientific theories seem to falter. (Or does anyone found a explain-it-all as yet? "Global Warming"?

that a lot of charlatans are out there who noticed the potiential of placing baits into these areas to prey on new victims,
and its easy to fall for it even if you are an overall intelligent person.



Rational thinking is just a way of coming to our conclusions and I never really lost it. (Even though it was not "critical enough" for sure.)
However Nancy made her "construct" in a way that seems to support rational thinking. Cause and effect.
"The totally dramatizised earth changes are due to PX slowing the earths core, causing friction, heating the plates from below, heating the ocean, heating the air, blah blah..."

"The UFO's appear in a certain way to not interfere with the free-will and some other rules, and they are related to an awakening process, gradually increasing to prevent too much influence to the inhabitants of the planets."

For every question there is an answer, so Nancy presents seemingly rational explanations because she knows it is that what the human mind is asking for.

Some big quake over Plate A?
Nancy: Plate B crumbles into Plate A, because PX pushes the earths northpole, causing the famous "earth wobble" smashing the plates against each other.

A cropcircle showing a swirl?
Nancy: Depicting PX clockwise rotation in relation to Earths rotation as she stated before..

And so on...and so on..

A pile of lies, supporting one another. (Though not truely)

Nancy seemed to be familar with local plate-tectonics, astronomic questions, psychological questions, sociological questions.
Could an old woman answer so many questions? For such a long while?

The perfect wolf in sheep's clothing.




Not really.. at least I dont have anything directly popping up into my mind regarding factual info that I was aware at that time.

Can you name some highlights? Im sure they'll be worthy to bring up again.

I was aware of Zetasquawk at that time, though they were often defamatory (like many others who ride on the puppy-thing) which Nancy uses to claim they're pushing a bad image of herself..

Um. Thats a little too simplistic in my mind. Afterall Nancy's BS comes from her own.. and she needs think about the questions presented to her.
There are thoughts of herself that are even going into the right direction, since she needs to do her best because she has to avoid too many lies.

Some of the thoughts about an apocalyptic scenario are quite useful. (Although I guess it was more of an achievment from the TT guys and overall people.)

However saying "one lie after another" is a little unrealistic, its more a set of lies based on bits of truth.

The bits of truth form the bait.
Lies are applied over the bait, expanding the (w)hole while supporting each other.

Keep piling and you have your "horseshit"

;)

btw: Im watching "Osage Pete" for a while now,
[link to poleshift.ning.com]
Could be a fake-support.

And "xtcpctech",
[link to poleshift.ning.com]

omg.
I just went to look for her claims,
she's saying its a laser-pointer aimed at the moon (through a glass):

[link to www.zetatalk.com]
"...
This is not evident from the video, but this is the case, with a light laser pointed at the where the tip of the Moon crescent would appear. The distance between the cam and the Moon, and the cam and the window, differ. Thus in a zoom, there is an adjustment to one, but not the other. This is a fraud. "

Geez..she must be having a hard one these days... so many mistakes, this one even per the Zetas. (I instantly made a copy of it of course... we need to be savy).

Thanks for the notice Billy! Good one to work on..

And if it does turn out to be a dried water spot, naturally, it won't be Nancy's fault for jumping the gun. She'll blame someone else.

And if it does turn out to be a dried water spot, naturally, it won't be Nancy's fault for jumping the gun. She'll blame someone else.

Yes, it's outrageous that they don't clean the webcam lenses on an hourly basis, so that poor Nancy mistakes the droplets for her eagerly awaited Planet X.

But "Benito Maray" gives new candidates on a per diem basis: [link to poleshift.ning.com]
(Just dumb, a troll or a trojan?)

BTW: members down to less than 1500



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Looks like she's going mealy-mouth - at one moment saying one thing then leaving the door slightly cracked.

"Comment by Nancy Lieder 6 hours ago

They appear to be water droplets dried on the lens. They stay stationary, despite the skyview rolling up continuously. So far we have discovered NO Planet X objects from this cam. I note that when the Sun rises, the cam is not overwhelmed. This means that they are suppressing the light received, overall, and this would eliminate the light from Planet X itself, I think.

An observatory would not be allowed to display evidence of Planet X. Venus is a planet that reflects light, where Planet X is dust shrouded. The Moon Swirls are very close around the Sun, as they require sunlight to be funneled down them, therefore would be lost in the overall glare of the Sun, I suspect.

This is certainly a challenge!"

Looks like she's going mealy-mouth - at one moment saying one thing then leaving the door slightly cracked.

"Comment by Nancy Lieder 6 hours ago

They appear to be water droplets dried on the lens. They stay stationary, despite the skyview rolling up continuously. So far we have discovered NO Planet X objects from this cam. I note that when the Sun rises, the cam is not overwhelmed. This means that they are suppressing the light received, overall, and this would eliminate the light from Planet X itself, I think.

An observatory would not be allowed to display evidence of Planet X. Venus is a planet that reflects light, where Planet X is dust shrouded. The Moon Swirls are very close around the Sun, as they require sunlight to be funneled down them, therefore would be lost in the overall glare of the Sun, I suspect.

This is certainly a challenge!"

>> And if it does turn out to be a dried water spot, naturally, it won't be Nancy's fault

That's rather obvious ...

"Comment by Nancy Lieder 6 hours ago

An observatory would not be allowed to display evidence of Planet X. Venus is a planet that reflects light, where Planet X is dust shrouded. The Moon Swirls are very close around the Sun, as they require sunlight to be funneled down them, therefore would be lost in the overall glare of the Sun, I suspect.

Yet she has consistently pointed out images from various observatories which she says show her planet. Again... it makes NO SENSE AT ALL.

I hope your skeptical heads aren't so far up your skeptical asses that you fail to comprehend the direction the future of man kind is headed. Humans and beings from Zeta Reticuli are intimately linked, they need us and we need them.

I like the pole shift ning. Better than the news that's for damn sure at least any way. Who cares if Nancy fucks up. The pole shift is still going to happen.

I hope your skeptical heads aren't so far up your skeptical asses that you fail to comprehend the direction the future of man kind is headed. Humans and beings from Zeta Reticuli are intimately linked, they need us and we need them.

I like the pole shift ning. Better than the news that's for damn sure at least any way. Who cares if Nancy fucks up. The pole shift is still going to happen.

A Pole is about to Shift somewhere?...anywhere?......

Watch out for those freaken Poles I say.....they can sure be a dangerous thing!!......

I hope your skeptical heads aren't so far up your skeptical asses that you fail to comprehend the direction the future of man kind is headed. Humans and beings from Zeta Reticuli are intimately linked, they need us and we need them.

I like the pole shift ning. Better than the news that's for damn sure at least any way. Who cares if Nancy fucks up. The pole shift is still going to happen.

Since 2003 shits been getting fucked up

2004 - Sumatra tsunami

2009 - Samoa Tsunami

2011 - Japan tsunami

After the new Madrid and California faults go = European tsunami = big death toll, more than the 250 000 who died in Sumatra.

When did "planet x" supposedly enter the solar system? 2003?

Since then 3 significant tsunamis, How many do you recall before 03?? lol.

I'm afraid ZetaMax might actually be right. Soon....

Who cares if Nancy fucks up. The pole shift is still going to happen.

According to John Moore's "sources", as SOON as August 17th! (When Niburu makes it's closest passage to the sun!)

Thread: Ed Dames’ Killshot Solar Flare coming next month August 2012 due to Nibiru

Since 2003 shits been getting fucked up

2004 - Sumatra tsunami

2009 - Samoa Tsunami

2011 - Japan tsunami


After the new Madrid and California faults go = European tsunami = big death toll, more than the 250 000 who died in Sumatra.

When did "planet x" supposedly enter the solar system? 2003?

Since then 3 significant tsunamis, How many do you recall before 03?? lol.

I'm afraid ZetaMax might actually be right. Soon....

Since 2003 shits been getting fucked up


When did "planet x" supposedly enter the solar system? 2003?