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The *first thing* I see on the thread is IDW denying the 10^5 thing. I couldn't resist.

I`m reading this thread for a while. I think Nancy Lieder is acting as a shill to distract from all her failed prophecy. She is probably the real IDW. Either she or somebody from her cult. Nancy Lieder was completely debunked and ridiculed here.
All her trashtalk was a real tragedy full of abuse and more or less criminal intentions.

Nancy Lieder also made up some other fake identities to keep you guys busy. That IDW is so extremely stupid that he/she can`t be for real.

Nancy Lieder is trying to take the piss out of you. As long as she can keep you guys busy with debunking one of her shill identities she can keep her dirty business up.

She is squeezing your balls guys.

Does anybody here remember the fake character ZetaMax? That was probably Nancy Lieder too. She is a real scumbag.

But she knows how to keep you guys busy. This is her business and she is good at it. Failed prophecy, fear mongering and donation money.

I miss him/her. :(

I don't think IDW or ZetaMax are "fake identities".
In my opinion they're both "victims" of psychological conditions. It's clear they cannot make an(y) objective assessment if the topic questions or contradicts their own beliefs - but thats just the tip of the self-deception.

Nancy is drop in the ocean. She's become so insignificant that I wouldn't attribute her any influence anymore, wether from a global-, local-, or online-standpoint.
What's left are merely the same old people who've never really managed to see through her farce.
Of course every once in a while a new (blind) follower comes by, but it seems the output is just as "big" and they're residing on the all-too-common low since 2012.
I just checked their page (which hasn't changed either) and her Newsletter barely has 2k views.
So thats about the influence Nancy currently has on the world. About 2,8*10^-5 % or 0,000028 %, assuming a total population of 7 billion people.
Thats nothing really, but obviously enough to keep her going.
That said, I don't think she's keeping anyone busy except herself and those pX-hungry folks left. The downside of her "practice" seems to be that she can never really rest because they (the followers) are always waiting to get reassured that they didn't wasted their lifes for her.

What a pity existence she created to herself and others. A sad story that hopefully will be remembered and utilized as how not to live (and waste) your life for a self-centered nutjob who decided to spread lies and block objective discussion as her profession.

Last Edited by MoreAboutTunnelVision on 09/01/2015 12:24 PM

And another wonderful IDW thread.......

Thread: BREAKING NEWS: Human Caused Global Warming Myth DEBUNKED BY NONE OTHER THAN NASA!

IDW caught lying again can hardly be called breaking news.
When does he ever not lie?

Indeedy. In response to the following, though I am being polite enough not to derail his thread as he has so often accused me of doing:



May I present:The REALLY-THERE-*CAN'T*-BE-ANY-MORE NEW Updated Big List of What IDW/A.A "knows", version 6.48 (Sept, '15)

"The stupider a person is, the more he "knows"- IDW"

Couldn't have put it better myself.

The poster known as IDW/A.A has been around for years, pontificating on his supposed super-genius status, while deriding all others. More recently, he's been posting as Anonymous Astrophysicist, and a wealth of similar handles. 74444 took it upon himself to keep track of his claims, and codified them into a list. He had no idea that the list would grow to such absurd lengths.

The REALLY-THERE-*CAN'T*-BE-ANY-MORE NEW Updated Big List of What IDW/A.A "knows", version 6.48 (Sept, '15) (Part I)

IDW/A.A "knows" the radiation dose calculations. He just won´t show YOU. And he CONTINUES not to show YOU.

IDW/A.A "knows" the calculation determining the force of two docking spacecraft. He just won´t show YOU again. After all, you're too DUMB to check his math, WHOMEVER you are.

IDW/A.A "knows" and can apply relativistic formulas. He just refuses for philosophical reasons. And fails to in a pinch, too.

IDW/A.A "knows" history. Well, sort of.

IDW/A.A "knows" that a "permanent magnet is a incorrect term by the way. No magnet is permanent." Except that there are.

IDW/A.A "knows" he could have rigged a remote pilot system in a half-hour, using microswitches and servos, and therefore that´s what was used to hit the WTC with airplanes. He can prove this, (See Penn & Teller´s Bullsh!t series for a solid refuting of this) but carefully never PRODUCES said proof.

IDW/A.A "knows" that there will be a surprise martial law announcement in 2004. Oops. I guess we all just missed it.

IDW/A.A "knows" he has an above-average chemistry skill, but just can´t show his work. Nor get the correct answer. Nor use the correct notation. Nor...

IDW/A.A "knows" engineering. But the stuff he´s working on is way beyond top secret, so you´ll just have to take his word for it. IDW/A.A also "knows" he has invented many well known things. He just can´t mention ANY of them. Funny, that his name fails to show up on any patents in the ENTIRE database.

IDW/A.A "knows" he took off the gloves, but unfortunately no one seemed to notice. What a softie!

IDW/A.A "knows" he can write in a way none of the readers could comprehend. And probably actually spell properly as well.

IDW/A.A "knows" and promises that we´ll all be sorry. Never have been yet.

IDW/A.A "knows" who we all are. For we are ALL Duncan Kunz.

IDW/A.A "knows" 10^5 means one million, even though it doesn't, and that 10E6 means one million, even though it doesn't. That the *entire* internet, (when he wrote "the bandwidth of an analogue black and white television broadcast exceeds 5.5 million Hz, (or 5.5X10E6 hz)") disagrees with him? That Google, Bing and Yahoo all come up with answers different than IDW/A.A's? He's just that smart! We are obviously encountering IDW's Special Theory of Scientific Notation. Or perhaps a bipolar disorder.

IDW/A.A "knows" his I.Q. is very high. You should take his word for it. After all, he's demonstrated it so well...

IDW/A.A "knows" he will soon reveal how Apollo was faked. Since he´s done such a bang-up job of it thus far. And continues to. Ad infinitum. But won't take his arguments anywhere but here.

IDW/A.A "knows" that they are covering up the Apollo fraud by specifically opposing him and his posts, all the while letting FOX specials on the air that claim the same thing that reach millions of people. Interesting allocation of resources, there.

IDW/A.A "knows" the BA and J are paid to lie to the public, and he´ll cite evidence any day now. Really. Maybe next Tuesday.

IDW/A.A "knows" that Dr. Phil "Plait WILL NEVER appear on television again. He won't get air time. he has been successfully prevented from doing so... [IDW]is proud to have been instrumental in doing JUST THAT." Except that Phil Plait continues to appear on television in 2012, 2013, 2014, and is scheduled for 2015, not even mentiong lectures and other science gatherings. Well, IDW/A.A has always had a problem with that "never" word.

IDW/A.A "knows" he can back everything he claims up with tangible data. But never provides the data. No matter how nicely you ask.

IDW/A.A "knows" he will expose everyone else´s total incompetence. But so far has only repeatedly demonstrated his own... in a myraid of different ways.

IDW/A.A "knows" threads are selectively visible on GLP but can´t explain how. He also can´t explain why the threads he claims are invisible seem to be just as visible in Internet Cafes or other public terminals. He has CONFIRMED this. Really. When demonstrated that this claim was directly caused by his inability to use the simplistic GLP search engine, IDW/A.A quietly dropped the whole routine, which he'd been using for *years,* and still did not admit his mistake. In fact, he still claims he's right, although he's never had a problem using the search engine since a DEBUNKER explained it to him. Intellectual dishonesty? Nah...

IDW/A.A "knows" the government hides HIS posts. Yet they can be found if you search for them in the correct way...which isn't the IDW/A.Away. And that if you use a traditional, very simple, method of searching, you find them every time. But IDW/A.A still claims he is correct, because his supporters drop away, and that can ONLY be due to the thread being 'selectively visible.' It can't possibly have anything to do with people growing bored of his posturing, can it?

IDW/A.A "knows" he has irrefutable chemtrail evidence. He just can´t be arsed to produce it.

IDW/A.A "knows" his is the superior race, but he´s not acting like a Nazi. This is an entirely DIFFERENT superior racism thing.

IDW/A.A "knows" he can prove in a court of law that Apollo was fraud. Subpoenas that have been threatened for years will be served any moment now. Can´t wait to get mine.

IDW/A.A "knows" he will do everything in his power to bring us to justice. However that awesome power seems limited to posting on an internet board, and never changing or challenging his ideas with his supposed intellectual peers. What a coward.

IDW/A.A "knows" he has given all the information anyone need to know to prove what he says. Strangely, it doesn't prove what he says. And, quite often, proves just the opposite.

IDW/A.A "knows" his superior intelligence is "self-evident." Well, maybe to HIMself. And he continues to use self-evident wrong.

IDW/A.A "knows" smart people can´t spell or punctuate properly. It´s as good an excuse for his grammar as any.

IDW/A.A "knows" that "Hugs are not assaults unless you're really conceded." And he meant to spell it that way.

IDW/A.A "knows" he has a far larger vocabulary than anyone else, he just chooses not to use it. Ever.

IDW/A.A "knows" how to cut and paste basic links, he just chose not to until very recently, after it was explained by debunkers. And then he still did it wrong. But he's still right!

IDW/A.A "knows" he has *evidence* that people are paid to post counter to him. He just can´t provide it. Ever.

IDW/A.A "knows" DrP and Duncan Kunz are being paid to lie about 9/11 and they know the truth. He'll be producing paystubs on the same day he cites the evidence about BA and J. Just wait a little longer...

IDW/A.A "knows" he´s won every single argument. Even if no one else sees it that way. You didn't know he's keeping score by the number of times one uses the word 'Fucktard.'

IDW/A.A "knows" chemtrails are not debunked because they are accepted as fact by everyone. Despite dozens of webages doing just that.

IDW/A.A "knows" that if he posts steadfastly that something is a fact, it is a fact. If he´s adamant about something, it MUST be correct. Like the value of 10^5. Or that posts are selectively visible here on GLP. Or, or, or...well, as IDW/A.A says himself: "As for providing you with proof, I dont see the need."

IDW/A.A "knows" time is running out. As for what, who "knows"?

IDW/A.A "knows" our version of reality is being shot to hell. Strangely, I feel fine. So does reality.

IDW/A.A "knows" he never lies, except when he does, and then it is justified.

IDW/A.A "knows" and applies the rules of logic. Well, except that pesky burden of proof thing. And those fallacious arguments. And that lack of math. And...

IDW/A.A "knows" Google is a controlled site, to keep the masses in line, and doesn't use it. Except when he does. And BING is okay with him.

IDW/A.A "knows" that "youre full of shit as a christmas goose" is a rational rebuttal of facts, as is "Get a life, fucktard." Socrates would be proud as this demonstration of critical thinking.

IDW/A.A "knows" he has "scientifically verifiable evidence, incontrovertible and un empeachable <sic> that proves the Moon is hollow." But he posts only unverifiable, controvertible and impeachable evidence. If any at all.

IDW/A.A "knows" NASA provides all the evidence to prove the Moon is hollow. Yet their tentative conclusions are in sharp contrast to IDW/A.A´s absolutely certain ones.

IDW/A.A "knows" NASA wants to keep the hollowness of the Moon a secret, and yet all his claimed data can be found on the Internet, some on NASA´s own sites. Though he never gives links himself. And the data doesn't show what he claims it shows.

IDW/A.A "knows" and understands quantum mechanics.

IDW/A.A "knows" the speed of light is just a really big made-up number.

IDW/A.A "knows" all of atomic physics is wrong, for there is no photon.

IDW/A.A "knows" "Atomic clocks are dependent on a flawed premise, that radioactive decay rates of radioactive elements or compounds are a constant." Even though atomic clocks don't work on atomic decay.

IDW/A.A "knows" photons are actually electrons.

IDW/A.A "knows" he has an answer why electrons and photons behave differently from each other in the presence of a magnetic field. It's because the electron is too fast! Or something. Oh, and Neutron Stars don't exist.

IDW/A.A "knows" a ""Tachyon' is simply nomenclature given to particles which are rotating..."Tach" is the prefix for rotation and "on" a particle" Is there nothing IDW/A.A can't redefine?

IDW/A.A "knows" the speed of light in a vacuum is not constant.

IDW/A.A "knows" that cars that are moving have headlights that shine out faster than cars that are stopped.

IDW/A.A "knows" all physics post-relativity is wrong. Despite heaps of evidence to the contrary.

IDW/A.A "knows" that Einstein´s equations do not predict the energy releases of atomic reactions. Except that they do.

IDW/A.A "knows" the energy-state of the observer cannot affect the observed. Except that it does.

IDW/A.A "knows" that relative velocities have nothing to do with relativity. Except that they do -- particularly when IDW/A.A himself argues "To calculate kinetic energy of mass in motion, it has to be to some other reference point, which will invariably be in motion itself since everything in the universe is. This is why the KE is given for an mass moving in relative motion to an observation point. For instance, a chronograph measures the velocity of a bullet leaving a rifle barrel, the chronograph is not moving in relation to te barrel, and the KE result is relative to the barrel AND the measuring device. If you shoot a object moving away from you at 700f/s and the bullet is moving at 1000f/s, it is obvious the KE the bullet will have will ave when striking the object be much less tahn te KE measured at the chronograph." So what is the Universal Reference Point, IDW/A.A?

IDW/A.A "knows" he can explain time-dilation and Mercury´s orbit without resorting to relativity. He´ll be showing his work really soon. Oh, no, he won't.

IDW/A.A "knows" that Mercury's precession is "a result of the much more powerful 'pull' of gravity on light." Leading one to aptly conclude he doesn't know what precession actually means.

IDW/A.A "knows" that the problem of Mercury's orbit is just an offset of the apparent position in space and can be explained by the deflection of photons by the Sun's gravity. It's amazing MESSENGER got into orbit at all considering, by IDW/A.A physics, it should have missed.

IDW/A.A "knows" relativity is a Jewish Conspiracy.

IDW/A.A "knows" there is no explanation in traditional science for how his 'electrostitic lifter' works. Except that Biefeld and Brown did in the 1950s.

IDW/A.A "knows" that cellular phones and 1960's car phones use exactly the same technology. That cel towers weren't erected until decades later is just another conspiracy against him.

IDW/A.A "knows" no mass is lost in nuclear reactions. Won´t the reactor-techs be surprised. And the Periodic Table of Elements.

IDW/A.A "knows" many distinguished scientists who agree with his theories. He just doesn´t know their names, and can´t produce any evidence of this. Anywhere.

IDW/A.A "knows" that he has been threatened by debunkers with radiation poisioning. He just can't provide a single example nor anything that proves this -- even from his hyper-accurate archive of every exchange he has ever had on the Internet.

IDW/A.A "knows" he makes $80,000 in a weekend. But instead of going to the beach, spends all his time here. And seemingly can only afford dial-up. And only has old, crap computers.

IDW/A.A "knows" he has "been offered a salary of $150,000.00" to be an Internet Debunker. Well, given the $80,000-in-a-single-weekend job he supposedly has now, it only makes sense to turn it down.

IDW/A.A "knows" NASA isn't forthcoming with spaceweather data, even though it was on links provided to him. By NASA.

IDW/A.A "knows" he tells the truth but everyone else lies. Even though he has been caught lying more than any other poster.

IDW/A.A "knows" everyone is a racist. But repeatedly is the only one to demonstrate it.

IDW/A.A "knows" that "giving (women) the vote was a big mistake, since they invariably vote for the most 'handsome" candidate." He continues "Back in the day we had the good sense not to give a woman power over a man, it is ALWAYS abused to the maximum extent." He continues, " A man has a conscious and a woman doesn't. A woman will gut a man in a heartbeat if something better comes along, but a man will suffer an eternity wiht a horrid woman for his childrens sake." I guess everyone is a sexist, too.

IDW/A.A "knows" that the collapse of society is the fault of feminism. He continues, "The male ALWAYS takes the leading role in nature with all mammals that mate for life, , with the matriarch second in command. SOMEONE hAS TO BE ThE LEADER! . That's why there is a natural order." We'll just ignore matriarchal bonobos altogether.

IDW/A.A "knows" if he can´t understand something, then no one else can, either. Maybe he isn't as super-intelligent as he thinks...

IDW/A.A "knows" impact craters should be oblong. All that math stuff doesn't prove anything. Nor all the demonstrations proving that round craters result in the vast majority of impacts.

IDW/A.A "knows" relative asteroid velocities are well under 4 kps. Even though they aren't.

IDW/A.A "knows" that it is only speculation that Meteor Crater was formed by a meteor. The 30 tons of meteorite specimens collected there is just a coincidence.

IDW/A.A "knows" geologists can´t tell the difference between a fake moonrock and a real moonrock.

IDW/A.A "knows" that "millions of tons of reflecting metallic dust [are] being deposited in the atmosphere daily." Funny that it takes the *entire surface of the Earth* to bump into a mere 40 tons of cosmic dust daily. And how many airplane flights does this take, anyway?

IDW/A.A "knows" all of chemistry is wrong, because he can´t believe specific gravity and mass can be measured in units so small.

IDW/A.A "knows" that helium is not a product of hydrogen "combustion" in the sun.

IDW/A.A "knows" biology is wrong, because "Withen two years a domesticated pig released into the wild will grow hair and tusks...sorry if it debunks Darwins theory, but thems the facts...there is no evidence (for evolution) in the fossil record." Thus demonstrating that biology and paleoentology aren't IDW/A.A's strong suits, either.

IDW/A.A "knows" that "Charles Darwin, the author of the mainstream theory of evolution specifically theorized in is book 'evolution of species' that life evolved from stones," even though Darwin didn't. And even though Darwin never actually used the word evolution in the first edition. And he got the title wrong.

IDW/A.A "knows" the sky is not blue. Really. All photos to the contrary are retouched. If you go outside and see a blue sky, anywhere worldwide, you must be an Agent. He has since softened hs stance a bit on this issue.

IDW/A.A "knows" that the disintegration of hydrogen into electrons and protons is a form of fission. What do those nuclear engineers know?

IDW/A.A "knows" that it´s the human race against debunkers. Strangely, most of the human race doesn't know him OR the debunkers.

IDW/A.A "knows" that when "ISON gets to within the orbital distance of Mars it will be almost as if there is another Sun, IT WILL BE VISIBLE AT MID DAY AND ILLUMINATE THE EARTH AT NIGHT." Strangely it still gets dark outside.

IDW/A.A "knows" that comet ISON is not in orbit around the Sun, but has a perehelion anyway.

IDW/A.A "knows" that ""Romantic love" is a fucking farce. It's just hormones..." That explains a lot...

IDW/A.A "knows" that "A TREE IS KNOWN BY IT'S FRUIT!" What kind of tree does that make IDW/A.A? A shit tree?

End of Part I

Part II
IDW/A.A "knows" that the English language is intentionally illogical and obtuse. This conspiracy would have a name, but all words are controlled...

IDW/A.A "knows" that he misspells words on purpose. Really. It´s another great excuse.

IDW/A.A "knows" computers are based on alien technology. Surely no human could have come up with the technology. He´ll show evidence of that too, someday. Maybe along with those dose calculations.

IDW/A.A "knows" the government has shut down forums because of his posts. But can´t name ANY of the forums.

IDW/A.A "knows" the Moon is not what we think it is.

IDW/A.A "knows" moonrocks are just magma that solidified in flight, lost all their water, and absorbed an amazing amount of cosmic rays in the seconds before coming back down to Earth.

IDW/A.A "knows" moonrocks were brought back to Earth robotically, even though he can cite no evidence for this, nor produce the robots, nor produce the people who worked on them, nor...

IDW/A.A "knows" he could have designed an automated-lunar-landing-robot that could vacuum up Moon samples (really!) and return them to Earth at age eight. He has produced no such designs. He also appears to miss why this is a particularly silly claim.

IDW/A.A "knows" that the Space Shuttle "had a cargo bay big enough to fit a lunar lander and fueling in orbit is not some impossible task. As for traveling too fast for re entry, that's a bullshit excuse. It could have slowed by retro firing it's main engines. The space shuttle never went on a lunar mission because it didn't have the radiation shielding and thermal control for interplanetary space travel." Proving that Delta-V, what's in orbit, and how much fuel the Space Shuttle actually has elude his super-intelligentship.

IDW/A.A "knows" that Moonrocks could be 'created' on Earth with chemical compositions and cosmic radiation signatures exact enough to fool geologists -- missing the small tidbit that until we HAD Moonrocks we couldn't know how to fake their chemical composition, and also lack any way of faking the cosmic radiation signatures, or the signs that they've always existed in a vacuum, or how they have zap pits... and just when was the first lunar meteorite identified?

IDW/A.A "knows" that The Lunar Module was called the LEM. "This is in the same vein as the old LEM / LM argument. They just can't admit they're wrong. The fabricator called it a LEM, an acronym for Lunar Excursion Module. I'm right, sorry...I posted a link on this thread to a reference which clearly indicated Grumman called it a LEM from the beginning of the program to end." The fact that the manufacturer themselves on their webpage disagree with IDW/A.A's statement, including the reason for renaming it and when, the manuals note the change, and even the handwritten logs of construction merely mean that they are in on the truly gigantic conspiracy to make IDW/A.A look stupid and ignorant and unable to admit nearly any error. With IDW/A.A's help, they are succeeding.

IDW/A.A "knows" "if there was an "experiment" to image the lunar sky in UV I must have missed it. everyone else did too." Except no one else missed it.

IDW/A.A "knows" all the debunker's IP addresses. He just won't show them until later. Of course, "later," in IDW/A.A's unique language, often translates to "Never."

IDW/A.A "knows" and has calculated that the radiation doses the astronauts received during the Moon flights would kill them within two weeks. Er, three days. Um, ten minutes. Uh, several days. But Apollo 17 still worked. No, it didn't. Yes, it did. No, It didn't (IDW/A.A, make up your mind!). But, heck, "You'll get a half a rad exposure on a beach in a day or two, dumbass!"

IDW/A.A "knows" the Moon has "the lowest eccentricity of any known planet or satelite<sic>." When demonstrated that he was wrong, IDW/A.A redefined eccentricity to be a measure in kilometers, rather than a ratio to a perfect circle. When Charon was shown to have a smaller deviation in kilometers using IDW/A.A´s own unique definition, IDW/A.A replied it was a double-planet system. When pointed out that the Earth-Moon system is similarly a double planet system, and then ALSO pointed out that several moons have smaller eccentricities using IDW/A.A´s OWN definition, IDW/A.A unilaterally claimed victory again. What he had obviously MEANT was that the Moon had the lowest eccentricity of any moon or satellite not orbiting a gas giant, not in a double planet system, not orbiting Mars, and not orbiting anything else but Earth. IDW/A.A, to his credit, finally admitted "I was wrong, mistaken" about this point. Only took a year and a half to admit it. And now he's changed his mind AGAIN, denying it is a mistake. Sigh.

IDW/A.A "knows" that "A partial eclipse where the entire moon does not pass in front of the Sun can be annular (simply definition, moon appears smaller the Sun)." Y'know, maybe he's redefining Astrophysicist...?

IDW/A.A "knows" that when he unilaterally declares victory, it must be so. Even when he spells unilaterally wrong. And even after he declared unilateral victory in the eccentricity subject.

IDW/A.A "knows" that a careful review of the threads in question by an impatrial <sic> arbitror <sic> will reveal IDW/A.A defeated the BABBlers on every single issue, from impact energy to lunar composition and density. And don´t forget the eccentricity, too.

IDW/A.A "knows" the radios on Apollo didn't have enough signal strength to get to Earth. Of course, the probes currently on Mars don´t, either. Or Voyager. Or Pioneer. Or Mariner. Except now they can make it out to Saturn. No, they can't. But plutonium in spacecraft is evil! At least the non-sequitur is a valid argument, right?

IDW/A.A "knows" that "ESA doesnt claim to have sent the casseni or voyager probes, nor have they claimed to recieve signals from them," even though Cassini WAS partly an ESA probe, as was the Huygens probe that hitched a ride with it. IDW/A.A's research skills just keep improving!

IDW/A.A "knows" water is an element. I´m sorry, that was a typo.

IDW/A.A "knows" water is the only substance that expands upon solidification. Upon being shown others, IDW/A.A pretended he didn´t type ´element,´ and redefined solidification, rather than correct himself. I see a pattern.

IDW/A.A "knows" the REAL defintion of organic compound, and water is one, darn it! The rest of the scientific community does NOT know. Carbon? Who needs it?

IDW/A.A "knows" the textbook definition of organic chemistry, but won't state it. That merely means the textbook is wrong, and all the chemists are wrong, and all the chemistry students are wrong, and the controlled dictionaries are wrong...

IDW/A.A "knows" mass must be expressed in units of force in a "force equation". He gives no examples of such an equation. Nor solves any equations, either.

IDW/A.A "knows" an exponential function is any equation that contains an exponent. Even though it's not.

IDW/A.A "knows" craters in outer solar system are of non-impact origin since there are no asteroids out there *today*.

IDW/A.A "knows" there can be no "history" if no one was there to see it.

IDW/A.A "knows" he is a spectacular chess player. Except that when he got demolished in a chess match with DB, he accused DB of computer aid, rather than admit he simly lost. And never explained how DB analyzed every move.

IDW/A.A "knows" he has ´obtained evidence of at least two bonofide NAZI´s posting at the BABB forum and now operating at the GLP forum.´ He has not shown this evidence. I'm beginning to doubt he ever will.

IDW/A.A "knows" that my analog watch is defined as a nuclear reactor because tritium decay allows the hands to glow. Likewise IDW/A.A "knows" that a radium-dial wristwatch is a nuclear reactor. NEST would be at my door any minute, now, but thankfully don't listen to IDW/A.A, nor his unique definitions.

IDW/A.A "knows" he has a report about the nuclear reactors aboard Apollo. He just can´t identify the report. Nor admit that a "reaction chamber" might be for reactions OTHER than nuclear ones.

IDW/A.A "knows" the explosion aboard Apollo 13 was a NUCLEAR explosion. Lovell must be one lucky guy.

IDW/A.A "knows" nuclear reactions were used for thrust during Apollo. He just can´t explain why, if we were using nuclear reactors for spaceship propulsion back in the 60´s and 70´s, we are´t doing so now.

IDW/A.A "knows" that the Moon rovers were nuclear powered too. What amazing miniaturization in the 70s!

IDW/A.A "knows" the technology to make compact television cameras did not exist at the time of Apollo. Won´t that be a surprise to people who owned cameras such as the Sony CVC-2000 (1965) - the first consumer vidicon camera, and dozens of later models.(See also: www.newseum.org for information the actual video camera carried on the missions.)

IDW/A.A "knows" he never claims he is superior, even when he says "Get on your knees before your superior."

IDW/A.A "knows" that "Respect for your betters is the beginning of wisdom" showing he's not all that wise.

IDW/A.A "knows" all innovations in science come from people like him. I'm not sure what qualities he is espousing here...

IDW/A.A "knows" "more about the Apollo hoax than any other person on this planet." Despite being unable to prove it is a hoax and despite all these amazingly obvious details getting by him, and his inability to do any research himself. Or footnote.

IDW/A.A "knows" he never engages in ad hominem, straw man, poisoning the well, argument from omniscience or other fallacious attacks, despite the fact that he does. And yes, he "knows" what all those mean without looking them up.

IDW/A.A "knows" exactly who 74444 is, and who his father was. When challenged to actually prove that, he claims posting **even just the first name** is a bannable offense. Even though he engages in all sorts of other bannable offenses and gets around such bans all the time. C'mon, IDW/A.A, just a FIRST name...? Initials?

IDW/A.A "knows" space weather data is being withheld, and that space scientists worldwide must be in on it. Yet the data he uses appears on the Internet.

IDW/A.A "knows" posts are selectively visible on the GLP forum. It has nothing to do with his bad handling of the search engine. See part I for the refuting of this, and IDW/A.A's anything-but-logical reaction.

IDW/A.A "knows" that "we currently are in the midst of a mass extinction event and hundreds of species are dieing off completely every week." He just can't name any of those hundreds of species -- which should be in the hundreds of thousands by now.

IDW/A.A "knows" that you can't register and operate a motorcycle larger than 800cc on the road in ANY European country......except that you can.

IDW/A.A "knows" that agents use special punctuation signals to track one another's posts and identities. Because doing something like that on Excel, with no chance of it being discovered, wouldn't make any sense.

IDW/A.A "knows" that super-science weather modification is being used to create winter this year. JUST to prove his prediction of a 90 degree winter wrong. He's just that important!

IDW/A.A "knows" that "the flow of electricity in the form of plasma can be very destructive. Lightening is an example of an electrical discharge that crosses and extremely large gap, and what we know about lightening is the distance the discharge travels is directly related to the energy it possesses. Now imagine a spark occurring across the 9 million miles between the earth and the sun. The energy of such a discharge is what it would take to create a chasm like the Grand canyon." The amount of things wrong in that post defies imagination.

IDW/A.A "knows" that no person has ever been electrocuted in a bathtub. "If a person could be electrocuted that way, it would seem like it would have actually happened at some time in history, don't you think?" All those accident and suicide statistics are phony.

IDW/A.A "knows" his forthcoming book is destined to be a bestseller. But he won't give the title, nor any information about it. And it is due out at the end of the year... (2007) Oops.

End of Part II.

Part III

IDW/A.A "knows" that if you "ask those rocket scientists to show their work on the ascent stage [f Apollo], they'll all balk, guaranteed." Despite the fact that they're work is on the Internet, and in physics texts all over the country, and give lectures, and...

IDW/A.A "knows" that hidden messages in TV commercials are being used to inform certain people of upcoming events. But no, he ISN´T crazy. He´s not. You can SEE the embedded commercials. Well, can´t you? CAN´T YOU?!?

IDW/A.A "knows" that he is not a follower, he is a leader. Of whom, no one "knows". A cult of one?

IDW/A.A "knows" the World Trade Center towers were outdated and thus could be destroyed in the 911 hoax. Strangely, the Empire State Building, the American International Building, and the Woolworth Building, all of which are decades older, are necessary to the nation and could not be used in such a hoax.

IDW/A.A "knows" it is widespread knowledge amongst the American people now that Zionists and Freemasons were behind the murders of 3000 Americans on 9/11 and not Arab hijackers who were still living after the attacks. He cannot produce anything to PROVE this, of course.

IDW/A.A "knows" that Bin Laden had nothing to do with the WTC attacks, even when Bin Laden has claimed responsibility for them repeatedly in the last few years. But what does HE know?

IDW/A.A "knows" that there is no equipment on the moon left by a manned mission and this will be eventually discovered. When the sites started to be photographed in 2009 IDW/A.A, seeing the writing on the wall, then claimed fake equipment may have been placed, and thus now the only evidence he'll accept is photographs taken of the *footprints* on the Moon, and then changed the goal post again saying such photographs would only be acceptable so long as America had nothing to do with photographing them. And probably that isn't enough evidence, either.

IDW/A.A "knows" that the average life expectancy has dropped in America in the last ten years. He hasn't shown anything to confirm this, but "knows" it with typical IDW/A.A-100-percent certainty.

IDW/A.A "knows" that the AIDS epidemic was caused by the smallpox vaccine. Hoo, boy.

IDW/A.A "knows", with 100 percent certainty, that cellular technology is used to control brainwaves. He has years of research and experiments to prove this. None of which he is willing or able to produce. And he supposedly uses cellular connections more than most...


IDW/A.A "knows" the conspiracy against him is 4000 years old and is worldwide in scope. Yet this huge conspiracy seems so utterly ineffective against him. You'd think after 4000 years of practice, they'd be a bit more adept.

IDW/A.A "knows" that Jupiter is a brown dwarf. I'd have a conversation with him about this, but know he'd just redefine 'brown dwarf' in IDW/A.Aphysics.

IDW/A.A "knows" that "You need to realize that the more you use insults and personal attacks without any real arguement the less you will be believed." Yet he uses insults and personal attacks without ant real argument more than just about anyone else.

IDK "knows" that Stephen Hawking "was poisoned in order to arrest the porgress(sic) his real work. It is not he that speaks throught he synthesizer." Despite the fact that before his illness really took hold, Hawking was largely saying the same things. Which supported Einstein, by the by.

IDW/A.A "knows" that he forced the New York State Board of Regents to accept alternative answers that ignore relativity. Yet, strangely, the traditional answers are still correct on the actual test.

IDW/A.A "knows" the word 'unproven' isn't in the dictionary. Probably explains his spelling issues, too.

IDW/A.A "knows" how to calculate radio link budgets. He just has yet to show one.

IDW/A.A "knows" all radio astronomers are lying because they can't possibly pick up the weak signals they claim to. Sigh.

IDW/A.A "knows" that "S band means side band and it has nothing to do with frequencies in reality, though it is used in certain frequency ranges to maximize effectiveness."

IDW/A.A "knows" that digital images are not real images by definition. It must be that same dictionary that 'unproven' isn't in.

IDW/A.A "knows" that he can think independently and does not accept what he is told without proof. Of course, he "knows" he can think independently and does not accept what he is told WITH proof, either. Changing his mind or admitting error seem to pose obstacles just a bit too great for IDW/A.A.

IDW/A.A "knows" that 74444 must work for the NSA, even though 74444 doesn't. Maybe IDW/A.A has failing psychic powers?

IDW/A.A "knows" that the physics questions presented to him to test his knowledge were the *exact* same questions presented to him on his High School Physics tests. What a coincidence! I must be more psychic than IDW/A.A!

IDW/A.A "knows" that the inflation problems of the 1970s were caused by the Apollo program. Causes such as the Vietnam war, unwise monetary policy, and oil embargoes had nothing whatsoever to do with it.

IDW/A.A "knows" that the Earth is an intelligent design, but Apollo spacecraft weren't.

IDW/A.A "knows" "that because the position of the Earth relative to the universe is moving in several different vectors, a few which are unknowns, the chandler wobble is totally unpredictable , there is no such thing as an immovable mount and that the Gregorian method of timekeeping is grossly inaccurate, that it would be impossible for clockwork or computer software to accurately locate celestial objects over more than few months period of time at best." All those owners of Celeston telescopes that haven't been updated since 2007 must really be pissed.

IDW/A.A "knows" time zones, when he writes things like "4p est, 10 utc."

IDW/A.A "knows" the definition of irony. Particularly when he writes "you need to stop being so condescending at the saem(sic) time youre(sic) displaying ignorance, its pathetic." Or "you should have absolutely NO PROBLEM disqualifying my theories, Attack them, not me." Or "If you censor criticism then you can't survive it and it will only get worst" at the same time he's trying to censor criticisms of his ideas.

IDW/A.A "knows" "that I am going to enjoy it immensely and have waited a lifetime, and the ones who employ you who have made their preparations at the expense of those who made it possible and who are excluded will find these preparations to ultimately be the cause of unimaginable and well deserved suffering. They literally dug their own hell. There will be, to paraphrase an ancient biblical text, wailing and gnashing of teeth, and they shall long for death but it will not come." IDW/A.A's own wet dream of vengeance.

IDW/A.A "knows" physics better than Einstein and Planck, and even Newton and Kepler. He also know electricity better than Gustav Kirchoff, Georg Ohm, Alessandro Volta, James Watt, and André-Marie Ampére. So stop messing with him.

IDW/A.A "knows" that "electrical light sources (i.e. light bulbs, LEDS, etc) these electrons come from the power source. Current flow (electrons) into the device and some of the electrons are emitted as light. The remaining electrons return to the power source." Despite the fact that Ground Fault Interrupters, which measure the current in both lines would constantly cut the circuit were there such an imbalance. I guess we've stumbled onto the great Light Bulb conspiracy.

IDW/A.A "knows" that whether you shine a yellow light, red light, or white light through a prism, you get the same spectrum.

IDW/A.A "knows" that "hundreds of people die every year due to lightening passing through the protective grounds inside their own homes." The fact that less than 20 of the yearly fatalities even *occur* indoors? Probably just another cover up.

IDW/A.A "knows" that boats and ships are not grounded, because "that defies rational thinking. Any leakage of electrons from a boat occurs through water, and not the ground." I think the jobs of electrical engineers and electricians are quite safe from IDW/A.A.

IDW/A.A "knows" voltage is the same in all parts of a DC circuit. Kirchoff's Laws? The same current leaving and entering a source? That's all wrong.

IDW/A.A "knows" that "Impeadance is the same as resistance, and is measured using what the laymen calls an ohm meter." He also "knows" multimeters have an "impeadance setting." Even though they don't.

IDW/A.A "knows" there aren't any calculators on the web to calculate impedance. When shown that there are dozens, IDW/A.A latches onto the legalese parts of pages, claiming that because the creators assume no liability, that they are not evidence -- neglecting to simply do the calculations by hand to check. I've seen this strange pattern somewhere before...

IDW/A.A "knows" Liquid Hydrogen and Liquid Oxygen were not used in the Saturn V, because hydrogen would be impossible to liquify, and there isn't that much in the world anyhow. Oh, wait, he just meant the first stage didn't use Liquid Hydrogen, it used kerosene. But all the cryogenic fuels had to be kept at thousands of pounds pressure anyhow, so the whole Saturn V is obviously impossible...

IDW "knows" that "An orbit 500th a degree off would make rendezvous impossible." I'm sure he'll show his math many moment now.

IDW/A.A "knows" that it doesn't matter that many organic chemists "include artificial synthesis of analogues of organic molecules into organic chemistry." He doesn't, and that makes it a fact. And you'd BETTER accept his definitions, too.

IDW/A.A "knows" that "One of the stupidist lies a person can utter is that another is a liar when hes not, without a method to prove it or evidence of the lie." Despite the way he accuses people of being government agents, gay, Nazis, jewish, or in league with the message board administrators without a method to prove it. IDW/A.A doesn't know what irony is, but he engages in quite a lot of it.

IDW/A.A "knows" that there is no gravity assisted trajectory, since "the gravity grabs you back, and thus you don't gain anything." All those complicated maneuvers are just for show.

IDW/A.A "knows" no rocket ever made a controlled descent before 1969. Strangely, the pilot of the Bell Rocket Belt was flying something that was "not really a rocket." Of course, we don't know what the IDW/A.Averse's definition of "rocket" actually is...

IDW/A.A "knows" that "Academia is controlled by special interests that are not really concerned with the truth." Therefore IDW/A.A has yet ANOTHER excuse to never test his ideas critically!

IDW/A.A "knows" that debunkers "wont present a well formulated response because you are incapable of doing so. Thats why you resort to the tactics of attacking the messenger while ignoring the message." Yet he attacks the messenger far more than any debunker.

IDW/A.A "knows" he has three computers upon which he tested "the resistance between the negative of the backup battery and the chassis." Except, moments later, he claimed that he "would never run such a test, and have never claimed I would." Ironically, his very next question: "SO how does this prove anything about my honesty?"

IDW/A.A "knows" the motherboard is never grounded on a personal computer, and to do so would destroy it instantly. Proving that the Geek Squad has little to fear from IDW/A.A as well.

IDW/A.A "knows" he was "in control of programing the launching of nuclear weapons" for the U.S. Navy. This leads to the inevitable conclusion that none of them will ever actually work.

IDW/A.A "knows" that looking at the Apollo first stage "propellant you come up short. Way short with the ascent module. A first year physcis student proved it in 1972 in New York." He has yet to cite sources from that remarkable student in 1972, or any other year. I wonder why. Really, I do.

IDW/A.A "knows" that people on the Internet project their shortcomings onto others. What on Earth does that show about IDW/A.A himself?

IDW/A.A "knows" he *coined* the word 'fucktard.' Which explains his canny ability to act like one.

IDW/A.A "knows" that because 74444's IP number stays the same, he must work for the government. Static Ips? What are those?

IDW/A.A "knows" that the IP address of wireless devices changes constantly. Handoffs and Mobile-IP? Just another lie of TPTB.

IDW/A.A "knows" that "there is not a single astrophysicist in the world who "knows" more than i do about the subject." It's just a pity he can't PROVE it.

IDW/A.A "knows" that there is no doubt in 2014 the north pole will be near the opposite axis of rotation. It's Nancy Lieder all over again.

IDW/A.A "knows", with over 98% certainty, that the Internet will be down, along with civilization, after December of 2012. That you are reading this can only be because of your fevered imagination in the aftertime.

IDW/A.A "knows" that 74444 won't be able to post after December 22nd, 2012 either because he is dead, the Internet failed, or the government stopped him. If you're reading this, you should have a fair idea how that prediction turned out.

IDW/A.A "knows" that "are in fact going to see a radical natural upheaval and ELE in the next 6 months, I am absolutely certain." Demonstrating, again, what his absolutely certain predictions are actually worth, since that was early 2012.

IDW "knows" that "When ISON gets to within the orbital distance of Mars it will be almost as if there is another Sun, IT WILL BE VISIBLE AT MID DAY AND ILLUMINATE THE EARTH AT NIGHT." Which is too bad, because I was really hoping to enjoy that comet, but now that IDW/A.A has predicted this, it will be a fizzle. Update: Nailed it!

IDW/A.A "knows" that he worked on the Super Collider and the project was completed in secret. This might be true: given his grasp of physics, it sure looks like the lowest bidder to me.

IDW/A.A "knows" that it is a scientifically verified fact that there are human hybrids with a dominant reptilian dna. Where is it verified? Maybe in IDW/A.A's own mind, and surely that's enough...

IDW/A.A "knows" the Windows Calculator doesn't calculate to enough digits to be useful. When shown it calculated to 32 digits, IDW/A.A then claimed it wasn't scientific, and was inaccurate anyway. When shown scientific mode, and that its accuracy is the same as any other calculator, he begrudgingly admitted it, but claimed he was somehow still not wrong.

IDW/A.A "knows" that the GPS system doesn't need satellites to work.

IDW/A.A "knows" that GPS "satellites are completely stationary relative to the positions they locate on the planets surface, it is not possible that relativity could be a factor in precision location.This claimed application of relativity is false, and no one as ever been able to explain he assertion, it's just made." Except that they aren't in geostationary orbits.

IDW/A.A "knows" that "one who uses a telescope to view the moon uses a 'goto' program to do it, that would be asinine since it is clearly visible and much easier to simply point the telescope at it manually." But fails to explain how a GOTO aligned with the stars can find a Moon supposedly out of place.

IDW/A.A "knows" that you can't see the physical nucleus of a comet, but he ""knows"" it must be the size of earth or larger. When asked why it can't be resolved by any telescope he throws insults and runs away.

IDW/A.A "knows" that he never sockpuppets his own threads. He just gets support from people who have the same IPs he has previously used, making the same technical errors, and same spelling mistakes, who then disappear when identified as sockpuppets, and then admits "I find it useful to post in defense of my own ideas as a different 'personality' that allows me to be less aggressive and abusive to my enemies." But he wasn't lying. Except that he was.

IDW/A.A "knows" that there is a "Congressional Investigation into illegal practices at...the Bad Astronomy forum." No wonder Congress can't get anything done.

IDW/A.A "knows" he had to " write congress to obtain posting privileged here and on other publicly funded websites where illegal censorship was occurring." I wonder what department that falls under...?

IDW/A.A "knows" there is a secret coast to coast underground railway, made by nuclear boring machines that reach speeds in excess of 600 miles per hour. I'm sure he worked on that project, too.

IDW/A.A "knows" he is a far superior musician to Jerry Garcia in every respect. What *isn't* IDW/A.A superior at?

IDW/A.A "knows" that he is "...among the few people in the world who believe that deception destroys the soul and is self destructive." Which begs the question of whether he has any soul *left...*

IDW/A.A "knows" that no Indi-, er, Native American has ever won a Nobel prize. Won't Rigoberta Menchu and Miguel Angel Asturiasbe surprised.

IDW/A.A "knows" that "There will be visible arcs between the comet (ISON) and the Sun as has happened before and was referenced above. It will be in the form of an extremely dense ejection of charged particles from the Sun, not unlike a CME but extremely concentrated , localized , and directed precisely at and making contact with the comet at closest approach or near to it. This particle material will consist of protons and positively charged nuclei. It WILL NOT be proceeded by a strong solar flare and will not be directly associated with one as many CME's are. It's not a CME in the traditional sense, and is a direct result of a tremendous difference in electrical potential between the comet and the positively charged particles normally emitted by the Sun and present near it's surface....These predictions can be made based on the predicted 'perihelion' of the almost linearly tracking comet as it comes in close proximity to the Sun and is captured by it's gravity, and by analysis of the current state of the interplanetary magnetic field and heliosphere. The comet should be highly charged electrically and interactions in the form of particle radiation are inevitable" Too bad the *SUN* "knows" differently.

IDW "knows" that he "will not age another year before the cleansing occurs, and you will one day in the very earner future be thinking to yourself (very briefly) what a mistake it was to take money to do what you are doing." Having made this proclamation and prediction in January of 2013, he doesn't find any irony at all that he's still posting happily in 2014. Well, posting, anyway.

IDW "knows" that "they (Alpha Males) think with their glands instead of their brains. They're always right in their own minds and always wrong on everyone elses." Strange how that behavior so completely reflect's IDW's own, particularly when he writes such gems as "I am not a follower, I am a leader."

IDW/A.A "knows" he has memories from before he was born, and "When my spirit is freed from it's physical containment I will become far more powerful and influential than the internet could possibly enable me to be..." Jedi, much? Or Sith?

IDW/A.A "knows" that "it is not for men to judge me because no man is worthy, and those who do will regret it for eternity. That's a promise..." Yet he seems to have no problems judging OTHERS, so perhaps ONLY he is worthy...

IDW/A.A "knows" it all right up to the moment anyone asks him to show his work, or tests his knowledge. Then IDW/A.A just kind of forgets.

IDW/A.A "knows" that he "was born knowing more than any of you will ever know." And how can you possibly argue with THAT?

IDW/A.A "knows" that "you cannot be condescending to people or they will stop listening, and you cannot come across like a nutcase or conspiracy theorist." Hey, IDW/A.A? Maybe you should listen to this guy.

Thus: another IDW prophecy FAILS.

Won't work 74444. And why expend the energy anyways? Truth needs no rebuttal. Just suck it up like I have and continue.

Oh good old free store. Lord knows you weren't sucking it up because you had the truth on your side...

Already did, FS.



It's fun!



You are implying that I rebutted the *truth.* I did not. I rebutted a long time liar, and his particular long list of lies.

Notice how the individual won't rebut the *List.* So you are agreeing the List is the truth. I thank you for the admission.




This sentence does not parse. Exactly what did you suck up, what are you suggesting I suck up, and precisely what should I continue?

H'mmm max is on the loose.

Immanuel Velikovsky was a genius on par with Einstein, which is a fact seldom mentioned by his detractors. Both he and Einstein were Star Children, and indeed were friends who engaged in the type of friendly argument only two geniuses could engage in. Velikovsky's Mission was to set mankind to thinking about the periodic cataclysms that have so dramatically left their Mark on the Earth and human history. Like Einstein, he was berated for presenting what most of mankind does not want to think about - bad news. Mountains obviously thrown skyward under extreme pressure, the Ruins of great civilizations with no reason for demise, flash frozen carcasses of healthy Mastodons with no evident cause of death - all this is put over the wall and not dealt with. Research into uncharted territory seldom results in solid conclusions all around. Theories based on theories don't have a solid base. That any of the theories prove out, under these circumstances, is a wonder. Thus, some of Velikovsky's theories as to the cause of the Earth's cosmic near-collisions are unfounded. Where the planet Venus was sent into an irregular orbit after one recent pole shift, the upheavals on Earth were caused only by the passage of the 12th Planet - the major ingredient in the brew. Unlike Einstein's theories of relativity, Velikovsky's theories cannot be effectively proved until the Red Star, the 12th Planet, returns to savage this Solar System again. Unfortunately for those unwilling to listen to Velikovsky or contemplate the evidence he so poetically presents, they will be learning the truth of his theories - too late!

Wow. Almost as badly written as Nancy.

Being a "genius" is hardly a guarantee for being right.

Certifiable geniuses are wrong a lot.
Einstein was wrong a lot.

Velikovsky was wrong all the time...

OMG... I just happened by because I saw somebody mention that Astro was debunking a "Nibiru" vid here. Didn't find that, but I come in her and find FREE STORE! Wow... Good times...

Hmmm. Great thread. Most interesting reading. I was once a PS ning member and moderator. Yeah, I know. For shame, for shame. I guess I was just overwhelmed by ZT, the way it turned on the lights. And I don't necessarily mean the pole shift stuff (though there IS something like it coming, er, sometime), but all the other answers to the 'big questions' which can be found amongst the ZT archive. Especially, nay exclusively, the older stuff. Pre 2003.

I have emerged, confused and blinking, into the light.

Hey CoS!

That cataclysmic events have traumatized the earth is beyond discussion. The disagreements are in the frequency, cause and extent. Probabilities are that there will be future events. Either one believes the events are random or there is a periodicity to them. Since human lifespans are so short few of us could ever expect to be living when one occurs. Seems like a lot of energy being used to debate something that has little practical application or relevance. That being said, it is still a fascinating subject.

wow! Is that you mate?
Long time!

I'm speechless! So glad you made it!
Must be hard times, but looking forward I hope.

How did you managed to solve the puzzle? What about the others?

Phew. Welcome to the "other" (sane) side!

when did you leave the ning? Do you have any insight how The Lieder manages her now three and a half year old 'white lie' about the announcement.

Any thoughts?

Thought I'd give this place the white glove treatment. wow the dust has really settled in. Sneeze, scuse me. The Zeta's mentioned that this place would become the wilderness again if you know what I mean.. Zetas right again!

Nancy's message has gone stale, she averages now about 8 to 12 replies a week on her Ning, and has painted herself into yet *another* corner, former believers stopping by to say they are done, meantime IDW is trying and failing to create a popular Youtube channel (under his *own real name,* groan), Flat Earth is so far beyond dumb it debunks itself.

So, it's quiet. That's fine. The thread will be here when needed.

What, precisely, were the Zetas right about again? And be sure to cite the source.

Back when you were a cheerleader during and after Nancy's "live chats" here, Nancy and her followers were crowing about how the debunkers would disappear and she would be in high demand for TV and radio interviews as we were proven wrong. The opposite in fact happened.

We started this thread and boycotted her threads. The result was that her page views plummetted and Nancy, enraged because she didn't have the mod power to delete our thread or censor it left in a huff for the ning. This thread is still going, and Nancy is nowhere to be seen here for years now. So maybe the thread isn't as busy as it used to be, but that's only because Nancy has been so thoroughly debunked that there is no point continuing to debunk. She is now absolutely irrelevant in her little ning land. So imaginary zetas wrong again.

The nibiru cult leaders are pretty much all fractured and a shadow of their former selves at this point. The doom failure of Elenin in 2011 primed people for the non-event that was December 21st, 2012. 2012 came and went, nothing happened, Nibiru failed to show. At that point I think even most hardcore doom believers were starting to become disenchanted (and of course Nancy's "2012 is much too late" proved the imaginary Zetas wrong again). Then 2013 came and went, ISON failed to kill us. I think that was the final straw for most of them. It's all been downhill since then.

Just look at Thor's views and subs as a proxy:
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It gradually built up and spiked with ISON, and immediately collapsed after ISON doom failed to materialize. He's been struggling to recover his previous views ever since, spiking temporarily in October with his 2015 TB145 fear mongering ( [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] ) but again it was a short-lived doom claim.

Space doomers like Nancy have been left wandering in the wilderness ever since. The only one I've seen who's had any traction at all is Gill Broussard. His mixture of religious scriptures with vague handwavy scientific claims really struck all the right notes for a lot of Nibiru believers once again. Many of them appear to be Christian themselves, so someone professing to be a Bible-believing Christian who quotes verses to try to support his claims comes across as automatically credible. It's been interesting to see the reaction across the Nibiru blogosphere.

People like Marshall Masters feel threatened by Gill's sudden popularity. He just released a video trying to tear Gill down, Nibirutard versus Nibirutard. Others, like LA Marzulli who years ago popularized the idea that Nibiru was causing the moon to look "tilted," and John B. Wells of Coast to Coast guest host fame, are using Gill to support their own popularity. I debunked Gill's claims months ago, but Gill has been careful to avoid direct confrontation with me even though he has posted on videos belong to friends of mine, friends who have mirrored and re-shared my videos debunking Gill. Gill's own claims involve a close approach next year, so his expiration date comes up soon as well (to say nothing of the fact that his claimed orbit for planet X has already been checked and it's empty of any planets).

Even on that front though it's only the die hard nibirutards who seem to promote it, it's nothing like the ISON or Elenin or Nancy Planet X hysteria of years gone by. As we get closer to Gill's date we may see a surge in posting activity, but I don't think it'll even come close to the previous space doom panics.

Just curious? If we are to assume an infinite number of parallel universes and the occasional collision between such constructs . . . is it possible in at least one of these realities Nibiru exists?

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Last Edited by George B on 11/26/2015 09:22 AM

Hitting the bong early today, George?

No, just a sugar high from a piece of pecan pie we baked for Thanksgiving dinner.

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