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Poster Handle **ZetaMax**
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Neither is there "hard" evidence of black holes. The existence of black holes are inferred from observing other evidence. It's true that one cannot put "reincarnation" under a microscope, but just as with black holes, it's existence can be inferred from examining other evidence. What "other evidence"?
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


That's true. As of yet there is no direct observation of black-holes (to be changed later this year, because we soon WILL HAVE a direct "photograph"). But yeah, bottomline you're right, we have no way of getting past the event horizon and take samples, but what we can say for certain is:
- these objects cause gravitational lensing, which has been proven by observing the same stars or galaxy multiple times through lensing
- these objects must have an incredible density because they produce a photon-sphere and ultimatively an event-horizon (which we can calculate by r=(2*G*Mass/c²)^0.5 btw) making them "black"
- these objects have large gravitational effects on surrounding objects, which correlate to the assumed high density (our Milky-Way is circling one supermassive black hole)
- we are able to observe other extremly dense objects (neutron-stars, quasars, pulsars etc.) where a sugar-cube has the equivalent weight of Mt.Everest (roughly)

Just to name a few.
So unlike "reincarnation" we actually have plenty of tangible data that no-doubtly prove there are objects that we describe as "black holes" (which is rather misleading and should be "black spheres").

Well for starters, the testimony of children who display detailed knowledge of past events they have no rational means for obtaining.

[link to www.today.com]
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


Which has been debunked several times: [link to skeptico.blogs.com]
 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


DOrolleyes That's the best you can do?? One solitary story that of a single child whose testimony was tainted by a visit to an air museum at 2 years old? Did you even read the entire article that YOU referenced?, for if you had you would have read this:

Admittedly there appear to be a couple of inexplicable hits. First, the child said he flew off a boat. When asked the name of the boat he says "Natoma", and when asked the name of someone on the boat, he says "Jack Larson". While flipping through another book on WWII, James points at Iwo Jima and says that's where he got shot down. The father discovers there was a boat called the Natoma Bay, and finds there was only one Corsair pilot from this ship who was shot down at Iwo Jima, and his name was James M. Huston Jr. (So now they have an explanation of the "James 3" he keeps writing on his pictures, since "3rd" would come after "Jr.".) Also, John Larson turns out to be a real person who knew James M. Huston Jr.

The "skeptical" author then goes through a desperate exercise coming up with the weakest of conventional arguments for each element of this phenomena, and even admits at the end that he can't account for the "John Larson" hit. But it matters not, somehow this was all successfully DEBUNKED nevertheless.

ONE stinking case incompletely debunked is what you offer as refutation.

Please try harder.
 
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