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June 14, 2009 - RAPTURE?

 
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Remember mystery Babylon, there is no mention of the antichrist during her reign and she is responsible for the blood of the prophets.


There will be tribulation before the great tribulation.
The last 3 1/2 years is the time of Jacobs trouble, and that only applies to the Jews.
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Many prophetic events have to be fulfilled before the Lord's return and gathering of the saints to Him. These include Mystery Babylon falling, the destruction of the tares first, the wealth of the wicked being transferred to the righteous and the building up of the Davidic Kingdom of God and the pouring out of the Holy Spirit in the latter day rain. And then, once all these things happen, the Antichrist will work his way by "flatteries" into this Davidic Kingdom and take control for a short while until he is destroyed at the Lord's 2nd coming.

So, in other words, NO June 2009 rapture!

Im not saying a June rapture. Im saying the rapture is upon us... There been wars and rumors of wars, storms the list goes on. The time is really upon us now.. No one can put a date on the rapture. Just follow the events that take place and put it with scripture..... THE PURPOSE OF THE RAPTURE:::(1) To judge and reward the church of God. "For we must all appear before the judjment seat of Christ; that everyone may receive the things done in gis body,wether good or bad(2cor,5:10).....(2)-- To remove the Spirit of GOd. Many theologians believe that the spirit of God(holy spirit) has been acting as a devine dam, faithfully holding bck the waters of sin. But at the rapture hes blessed influence will be removed to a large extent in order to prepare the way for the tribulation. The rapture is upon us now... At any time that trumpet will sound...Hope you are ready..
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You are operating under the assumption that the Holy Spirit is the restrainer.

I do not believe that it is the Holy Spirit who has been charged with keeping Apollyon and the locusts imprisoned in the bottomless pit until the last days when the angel falls to earth with the key to the pit and opens it.

I am more inclined to believe that the "restrainer" is a mighty angel. It the job of an angel to do the chaining up (restraining) and tossing into the bottomless pit.
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You are operating under the assumption that the Holy Spirit is the restrainer.

I do not believe that it is the Holy Spirit who has been charged with keeping Apollyon and the locusts imprisoned in the bottomless pit until the last days when the angel falls to earth with the key to the pit and opens it.

I am more inclined to believe that the "restrainer" is a mighty angel. It the job of an angel to do the chaining up (restraining) and tossing into the bottomless pit.

(((

very good

not a mighty angel

but the might angel Michael

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You are operating under the assumption that the Holy Spirit is the restrainer.

I do not believe that it is the Holy Spirit .............................................................​...................................
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There are a number of factors which unite to provide a positive identification that the restrainer of II Thessalonians 2:6, 7 is none other than the Holy Spirit. Posttribulationalist Scruby writes: “I believe, but cannot prove, that Paul did mean the Holy Spirit.”[13] Perhaps the following discussion will help others of like doubtful persuasion to see the issues involved and the evidence for making such an identification.

A. Reasons for This Identification
The following reasons are suggestive, rather than exhaustive, in their treatment:

(1) By mere elimination, the Holy Spirit must be the restrainer. All other possibilities fall far short of meeting the requirements of one who is to hold in check the forces of evil until the manifestation of Antichrist. Some of the alternate suggestions are out of harmony with the basic text itself.

(2) The Wicked One is a personality, and his operations include the realm of the spiritual. The restrainer must likewise be a personality and of a spiritual order, to resist the wiles of the Devil and to hold Antichrist in check until the time of his revealing. Mere agencies or impersonal spiritual forces would be inadequate. Moreover, the masculine gender of II Thessalonians 2:7 requires the restrainer to be a person.

(3) To believe all that is to be accomplished, the restrainer must be a member of the Godhead. He must be stronger than the Man of Sin, and stronger than Satan. In order to restrain evil down through the course of the age, the restrainer must be eternal, for Satan and his workers of iniquity have made their influence felt throughout the entire history of the Church. Likewise, the theater of sin is the whole world, making it imperative that the restrainer be one who is not limited by time or space. Such a one is the Holy Spirit of God, for He is omnipotent, eternal, and omnipresent throughout the universe, and therefore preeminently qualified to hold in check all of the Satanic forces of darkness.

(4) This present age is in a particular sense the “dispensation of the Spirit,” for He works in a way uncommon to other ages as an abiding Presence within the children of God. While Christ dwelt among men for the space of thirty-three years, the Spirit is the only member of the Trinity to have an earthly abode throughout the age (John 16:7; Acts 1:5, 2:4, I Cor. 3:16; 6:19, etc.). As part of His present ministry, believers are regenerated by the Spirit (John 3:5, 6), baptized by the Spirit (I Cor. 12:12, 13), indwelt by the Spirit (Rom. 8:9; I Cor. 6:19, 20), and sealed by the Spirit (Eph. 1:13; 4:30). It is God’s will that they should be filled with the Spirit (Eph. 5:18).

The Church age commenced with the advent of the Spirit at Pentecost, and will close with a reversal of Pentecost, the removal of the Spirit. This does not mean that He will not longer be operative in the world, but only that He will no longer be resident upon the earth.

(5) The work of the Spirit since His advent has included the restraint of evil. The Spirit of God’s righteous Agent for the age, and there are many reasons to be grateful for His restraining hand upon this world’s iniquity. None but the Lawful One could restrain the workings of Satan, the lawless one. The book of Revelation reveals how awful this work will be without the hand of the Spirit, when the power of Satan will be unleashed with none to rebuke, and when sin will know no restraint. Meanwhile, the Spirit does restrain, for this is part of the work He came to do.

It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me ... of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged (John 16:7-11).

Of inestimable value is the quiet work of the Spirit in behalf of those who are Christ’s, guiding believers into all truth (John 16:13), empowering for witness (Acts 1:8), convicting of sin (Eph. 4:30), and assisting believers in their stand against the wiles of the Devil (Eph. 6:11, 17, 18). When Christians are exhorted to overcome the spirit of Antichrist, they are reminded that the Holy Spirit is greater than Satan. “Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them [that have the spirit of antichrist[: because greater is he [the Spirit] that is in you, than he [Satan] that is in the world” (I John 4:4). How different it will be in the Tribulation when many of these gracious influences will be removed. How manifestly possible for the Church to go into the Tribulation once the Spirit has been caught away from the earth. As Strombeck well says:

Then there would be no Comforter (John 14:16) during those awful days of torment. But this is contrary to God’s promise: “I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.” There would be none to show the believer the things of Christ (John 16:14). There would be none to teach all things (John 14:26) during those bewildering years. There would be a Church without power to resist Satan during the time that He is cast out from heaven upon the earth. There would be an impotent Church during the most terrible days of the entire human history.[14]

(6) It is not difficult to establish that although the Spirit was not resident on earth during Old Testament days, whatever restraint was exerted was by the Spirit. Isaiah testified: “When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the Lord shall lift up a standard against him” (Isa. 59:19). Another important passage concerns the days of Noah and conditions which existed before the judgment of the flood. The wickedness of Noah’s day and the fact that life went on as usual in blindness to impending destruction is used of the Spirit in vivid portrayal of careless and wicked men upon whom Tribulation judgments shall fall.

As it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all (Luke 17:26, 27).

In the light of this Scriptural parallel, it is exceedingly significant that in the days immediately preceding the destruction of the flood, the restraining work of the Spirit is emphasized. God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and to the people of that day the warning of Jehovah was clearly given: “My spirit shall not always strive with man” (Gen. 6:3). Couched within that warning was the implication that the restraint of the Spirit would be removed, after which God would act in righteous judgment. Even so, just prior to Tribulation judgment, the restraining hand of the Spirit shall be removed from the earth. Then will the wrath of God be poured out and the Man of Sin be revealed.

The similarity between this event, so early in earth’s history, and the removal of the Spirit at the end of the age is most striking. Evidently, in all ages, although more particularly in this age, the Spirit has held back the flood tides of evil and checked the activities of the principalities and powers of darkness. Christians should be everlastingly grateful that such a restraining ministry is part of the work of God in their behalf. How pitifully weak are all human efforts to rebuke Satanic agencies and to bind the Strong One (Jude 9)! The very fact that during the Tribulation, Satan, the Antichrist, and the False Prophet – that great trinity of evil – shall be on earth and be permitted full sway, argues strongly that the Holy Spirit of God will not longer be resident in the earthly sphere. It would seem that the pretribulation removal of the Spirit fits well into the broad Biblical pattern. It is corroborated by II Thessalonians 2:6, 7, but is not dependent upon this one passage for its sole support.
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Well, this whole thread is interesting, some good discussion in it. No rapture, sorry.

We have been in the tribulation for how many centuries now? And you want it to get worse yet???????????? Look around at this world and its known history.

We shall not have much more, we have the magnetic pole reveresal coming, the cleansing, not the rapture. It is a time of judgement however, and the judging is already done. We are long into the 42 months. 18 of them this month. Started January 2008. All the decisions about where each ensouled being goes were made by December 31 already.

Where you are going, should be the question asked. The dividing is done during the stasis period that starts with the magnetic reversal.

And what did the previous poster mean when he/she said there was NO spirit on earth before in the old testament. What CRAP. You see spirit everyday in every life form upon this planet, it is right in front of your eyes.

What happened at Pentacost was the gifting of the Spirit of Truth, in which the genetic mind of earth was upgraded with new fresh material about the creation for earth's souls to access. And man didn't do any too well and still does not access it much now.

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Candace, i sometimes feel a desire to do u in the rump.
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You are operating under the assumption that the Holy Spirit is the restrainer.

I do not believe that it is the Holy Spirit .............................................................​...................................

There are a number of factors which unite to provide a positive identification that the restrainer of II Thessalonians 2:6, 7 is none other than the Holy Spirit. Posttribulationalist Scruby writes: “I believe, but cannot prove, that Paul did mean the Holy Spirit.”[13] Perhaps the following discussion will help others of like doubtful persuasion to see the issues involved and the evidence for making such an identification...

...The similarity between this event, so early in earth’s history, and the removal of the Spirit at the end of the age is most striking. Evidently, in all ages, although more particularly in this age, the Spirit has held back the flood tides of evil and checked the activities of the principalities and powers of darkness. Christians should be everlastingly grateful that such a restraining ministry is part of the work of God in their behalf. How pitifully weak are all human efforts to rebuke Satanic agencies and to bind the Strong One (Jude 9)! The very fact that during the Tribulation, Satan, the Antichrist, and the False Prophet – that great trinity of evil – shall be on earth and be permitted full sway, argues strongly that the Holy Spirit of God will not longer be resident in the earthly sphere. It would seem that the pretribulation removal of the Spirit fits well into the broad Biblical pattern. It is corroborated by II Thessalonians 2:6, 7, but is not dependent upon this one passage for its sole support.
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What you have posted is pure speculation, which requires taking a lot of verses out of context. The Holy Spirit is not the restrainer who keeps Appolyon and the locusts chained and imprisoned in the bottomless pit.
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The souls of 33 cats entered Pussydom today.
33 is a significant number.
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What you have posted is pure speculation, which requires taking a lot of verses out of context. The Holy Spirit is not the restrainer who keeps Appolyon and the locusts chained and imprisoned in the bottomless pit.
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Which verses, and how are they contextually in error?

Funny how you attack this and yet the speculation of an angel as the restrainer, which requires immense streaching of context, you didn't touch.
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I am glad you are watching!

happens late not early!

more like 2016!!!!


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I agree. I am thinking around 2017.
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What you have posted is pure speculation, which requires taking a lot of verses out of context. The Holy Spirit is not the restrainer who keeps Appolyon and the locusts chained and imprisoned in the bottomless pit.

Which verses, and how are they contextually in error?

Funny how you attack this and yet the speculation of an angel as the restrainer, which requires immense streaching of context, you didn't touch.
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The verses in your post were all over the place. The Holy Spirit is the Comforter, Teacher, etc., but He is not the restrainer.

Show me one verse in which the Holy Spirit is called the Restrainer. You will not find one, because there is none.

Here is the order of events, which occur back-to-back in the Bible, in context:

1.) The restrainer is removed.
2.) Appollyon and the locusts are released from the pit.
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Show me one verse in which the Holy Spirit is called the Restrainer. You will not find one, because there is none.

Here is the order of events, which occur back-to-back in the Bible, in context:

1.) The restrainer is removed.
2.) Appollyon and the locusts are released from the pit.


I gave you several verses. Because they were "all over the place" is a strawman argument.

Your turn.
You spout context, now prove that the
1)restrainer is removed
and then
2) Appollyon and the bugs are released.

I agree that 1 happens before 2, but you are claiming back-to-back or being tied together somehow.
Show me how they are tied together without speculation.
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I will let you into a little secret;
What the Christians call 'rapture' has already started and as stated above it is happening on different levels of awareness. Many people are awakening and finding love in all of creation, even their fearful thoughts. Christians seem to cut themselves off from this divine source through rigid dogma and psychological stigma. The conditionality and limitations are being lifted but the cling to these illusions like a child clings to a torn ripped security blanket.

The series of shocks they are creating to shock themselves into some sort of mass realisation is the lazy and cowardly route but living in fear makes them concentrate on one outcome they designed many generations ago... this will not come to pass.

Many probability points in our collective progression have been encountered and the world's path has bifurcated and split off into many alternate earth paths in that period of linear time... there will be a convergence of probabilities so it will not be totally avoided... it will effect people on individual inner levels causing depression and psychosis begging people to learn their pervasive emotion of fear controls all their other emotions, they shun and repress all notions of self empowerment because they feel must cling to the safe ingrained idea they are always powerless and helpless. They are spiritual cowards and cannot fathom creating their realities with unconditional love and therefore must cling to the idea of complete destruction with only their miraculous survival because they gave away all rights to their own spirit to a higher power.
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shut up.

that is nonsense.
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Many prophetic events have to be fulfilled before the Lord's return and gathering of the saints to Him. These include Mystery Babylon falling, the destruction of the tares first, the wealth of the wicked being transferred to the righteous and the building up of the Davidic Kingdom of God and the pouring out of the Holy Spirit in the latter day rain. And then, once all these things happen, the Antichrist will work his way by "flatteries" into this Davidic Kingdom and take control for a short while until he is destroyed at the Lord's 2nd coming.

So, in other words, NO June 2009 rapture!
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The rapture is not 2009.


The Apocoalypse 2009.

4 Horsemen 2009.
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The world is full of mystery and magic, and people have tried to explain the unexplainable since time began through stories -- legends, mythologies, fables, folklore and fairytales.
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Show me one verse in which the Holy Spirit is called the Restrainer. You will not find one, because there is none.

Here is the order of events, which occur back-to-back in the Bible, in context:

1.) The restrainer is removed.
2.) Appollyon and the locusts are released from the pit.


I gave you several verses. Because they were "all over the place" is a strawman argument.

Your turn.
You spout context, now prove that the
1)restrainer is removed
and then
2) Appollyon and the bugs are released.

I agree that 1 happens before 2, but you are claiming back-to-back or being tied together somehow.
Show me how they are tied together without speculation.
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We are talking about the beast that "was and is not and is to come". A beast that has been chained in the bottomless pit since before the birth of Christ.

The first appearance of this beast, was in 167 B.C. The Holy Spirit-filled Christian church did not even exist when this beast was chained and thrown into the pit.

The Holy Spirit is not a prison guard.

Also, the omnipresent Holy Spirit is not going to abandon this planet during the tribulation, and certainly does not need the church to exist and operate on this earth.

The Bible says that we will be brought before rulers and kings in the last days and that we are not to think about what we are going to say beforehand, because we will be given the words to speak by the Holy Spirit, Who is obviously still here.
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rapture is a myth

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noah built an ark during much tribulation and just before the wrath he was saved,moses saved the jews from the much tribulation egyptian put on the people then the blood of a lamb on the door frames protected them from Gods wrath ,Lot lived in a city full of tribulation and the angel took the family out just before the wrath on the city and I would imagine tribulation is in store for us! We are not appointed to wrath.
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The false view of the rapture....The rapture will not occur until the middle of the tribulation,thus forcing the entire church to go threw the first 3 and 1half years of Gods wrath. This theory is called a mid-tribulation and is refuted by paul in 1 Thessalonians 5:9 where he says FOR GOD HATH NOT QPPOINTED US TO WRATH" That rapture will not occur until the end of the tribulation. This known is POST TRIBULATION, and is refuted by 1 thessalonians 5:9 and Rev. 3:10. NOW...tHE NEW TESTOMONT pitchures the Church as the body of Christ. If the mid-tribulation veiw were correct,then a part of this body would suffer amputation, and a section of the bride would be left behind. In addition to this. one would be forced to conclude that all bodies of carnal departed Christians would likewise be left in the grave. This simply is not the clear teaching of God. The Bible teaches that the rapture is pre-tribulationional in nature and includes all believers, Romans 5:9 and 1 thessalonians 1:10. Perhaps the strongest proof of this statement is the fact mentioned many times, but from chapture 6 of Rev. the church is maentioned many times,but from chapter 6-19 (the period of the tribulatin_) there is no mention of the church on earth. IN fact the only group which Saton can find to persecute is the nation Israel!! See Rev. 12-----------------Rev. 4:1 John declares "After this I looked, behold a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said Come up hither....We are told that Christians are Gods ambassadors on earth(2cor.5:20) and that he will someday declare war on this earth..The first thing that a president does after he declares war on another country is to call his ambassadars home!!!!! Thus we conclude that the church will escape the tribulation....
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As we know, scripture is multilayered and can have more than one meaning or fulfillment. If Daniel speaks of seven sevens, 49, years from the going forth of the declaration to restore Jerusalem, until the anointed one, that could be filled once at Jesus' first coming, and at his second. This will be the 42nd year since Isreal restored Jerusalem to its possession in 1967. That means there are seven years left. We are in the last week. Now whether that means we have 3 1/2 years until the time of Jacob's trouble or that we will see a full seven years of progressively worsening chastisment only God knows. If we are raptured now, midtib, or at the very end I have pondered over this for some thirty years, and have come to the conclusion that it doesn't matter what I think, and that God's perfect timing is fine by me, but if I had a vote, today works for me!
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the next big event to happen is Rev 12

there were 70 weeks determined for my people

the decree was given to rebuild the walls of Jerusalem

and started the first clock counting down to 483 years - 69 of the the 70

during the ministry of Christ

Jesus began his ministry and start the 1260 day clock for 1/2 of the last week to start!

His death complete most of Dan! 3 1/2 years

with 3 1/2 years left!

Rev 12 starts the 2nd half and ends at the 2nd coming of Christ!


because of the error of 7 years left on the clock causes a problem with most.

no big deal!

It will all happen as the Bible says!


Dec 21-23 are the days to watch for Rev 12 !

we still have at least 1260 days after that .


ice
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The false view of the rapture....The rapture will not occur until the middle of the tribulation,thus forcing the entire church to go threw the first 3 and 1half years of Gods wrath. This theory is called a mid-tribulation and is refuted by paul in 1 Thessalonians 5:9 where he says FOR GOD HATH NOT QPPOINTED US TO WRATH" That rapture will not occur until the end of the tribulation. This known is POST TRIBULATION, and is refuted by 1 thessalonians 5:9 and Rev. 3:10. NOW...tHE NEW TESTOMONT pitchures the Church as the body of Christ. If the mid-tribulation veiw were correct,then a part of this body would suffer amputation, and a section of the bride would be left behind. In addition to this. one would be forced to conclude that all bodies of carnal departed Christians would likewise be left in the grave. This simply is not the clear teaching of God. The Bible teaches that the rapture is pre-tribulationional in nature and includes all believers, Romans 5:9 and 1 thessalonians 1:10. Perhaps the strongest proof of this statement is the fact mentioned many times, but from chapture 6 of Rev. the church is maentioned many times,but from chapter 6-19 (the period of the tribulatin_) there is no mention of the church on earth. IN fact the only group which Saton can find to persecute is the nation Israel!! See Rev. 12-----------------Rev. 4:1 John declares "After this I looked, behold a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said Come up hither....We are told that Christians are Gods ambassadors on earth(2cor.5:20) and that he will someday declare war on this earth..The first thing that a president does after he declares war on another country is to call his ambassadars home!!!!! Thus we conclude that the church will escape the tribulation....

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In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. (1 Corinthians 15:52)

The rapture occurs at the last trump, the 7th trumpet.

The church is not appointed to God's wrath, but is definitely appointed to tribulation. The church will be here during the great tribulation. The tares will be bundled before the wheat is gathered.

The first thing a judge does before before declaring a defendant guilty is have a trial. According to God's Law, a person cannot be sentenced to death on the testimony of just one witness. There must be at least two witnesses.

In this case, the judge is God, and the defendant is the world. Since God follows his own Laws, he will not destroy the world without the testimony of 2 witnesses.

These 2 witnesses are 2 groups of people. One of the witnesses is 2 olive trees and the other witness is 2 candlesticks. The 2 candlesticks = the church.

In this case, the church is serving the role of a testifying witness, and God is not going to remove one of his witnesses from the equation before the trial has even begun.
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this is a complete take that you can see fits all your 7 year understanding!!

for me the only date to watch is Dec 2012! 2 witnesses show up and Satan! it's on after that!


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Basically, there’s a belief that the ancients held unusual scientific knowledge, of which only fragments remain today, and that this belief was held by many great philosophers and scientists who participated in the “scientific revolution.” In “Temple at the Center of Time: Newton’s Codex Finally Deciphered and the Year 2012,” David Flynn discloses what is sure to be heralded as one of the greatest discoveries of all time.

No, what I want to do is merely call your attention to a post he made in his website Chat Forum the other day. I’ve spent so much time talking about “trying to tie everything I was seeing together into one coherent form of thought” and was succeeding here while failing there (there’s just so much info being revealed these days that it’s difficult to keep track of all of it!). Thankfully, Flynn has succeeded in this pursuit.

In essence, he has deciphered some extraordinary Illuminati calculations that provide additional mathematical proof (in addition to the research he presented in his latest book) that July 2009 is the beginning of Daniel’s 70th Week – - just as we have suggested might be the case in the “Daniel’s Timeline” series!!!

Here’s what he writes in his entry titled “Tying It All Together, 2009 -2016 Illuminati Time-Line” on his own personal website:

“Here is the answer to why the greatest UFO flap in history occurring now, in ‘triangle’ patterns…Why the Great Pyramid, the Temple of Jerusalem, and the Great Seal of the United States all agree on a time-line ending in 2016 and beginning in 2009. Illuminati – A.L., as in Masonry, means Anno Lumina – - year of light. Source MasonicDictionary.com

Craft Masonry’s calendar commences with the creation of the world and uses the term Anno Lucius (A.L.) – - “In the year of Light.” To arrive at this date they add 4000 to the common time, as the Earth was believed in conventional theology to have began in 4000 BC . This is also the date believed to mark the birth of Horus by Isis in Egypt. For an example of this era use in Free Masonic books, see this link: [link to digital.lib.ecu.edu]

According to the Illuminati, the Great Pyramid was built to commemorate and observe a supernova explosion that occurred in the year 4000 BC. Dr. Anthony Hewish, 1974 Nobel Prize winner in physics, discovered a rhythmic series of radio pulses which he proved were emissions from a star that had exploded around 4000 BC. George Michanowsky wrote in The Once and Future Star that ‘The ancient Sumerian cuneiform…described a giant star exploding within a triangle formed by…Zeta Puppis, Gamma Velorum, and Lambda Velorum…located in the southern sky….[An] accurate star catalogue now stated that the blazing star that had exploded within the triangle would again be seen by man in 6000 years.’ [link to watcher.boardzero.com]

Height of the Great Pyramid (calculated with its capstone, now missing) 5,776 inches.

U.S. Declaration of Independence, 5776 A.L (Anno Lumina – - year of light).

The Jewish calendar year 5776 is 2016 in the Gregorian calendar.

The Scottish Rite date is the same as Craft Masons, except for the use of the Jewish Chronology. Anno Mundi (A.M.), which means “In the year of the World” is their calendar terminology and adds 3760 to the common time. 2016 + 3760 = 5776,

This means that the Illumined have understood that the year 1776 in the Craft Mason calendar A.L. 5776, is a code for both the Scottish Rite and Jewish calendar year of the future, 5776, or 2016 in the Gregorian calendar.

From 2016 AD to the Dedication of the first Temple of Jerusalem in 961-962 BC is 3,022 Biblical “360 day” years. The Great pyramid is 3,022 feet at its perimeter and 5776 inches or 481 feet tall, half 962. This is the ratio of PI.

The Statue of Liberty in New York holds tablets with the singular date, “July IV 1776″ or in the “year of light” 5776 A.L. It stands exactly 5706 miles from the site of the Temple of Jerusalem. 5706 in the Jewish calendar and the Craft Masonic calendar is the year 1948, the year of Israel’s “resurrection” Ezekiel 37.

Does it make a little sense then, that the 1,260 day count down to 12/ 21/2012 begins in the week of July 4th 2009, seven years before 2016?

That the Roswell incident occurred on the evening before the 4th of July on the latitude of 33 degrees? That this latitude multiplied by the value of a circle, “PI, 3.1415…” equals the site’s longitude? Or that PI unlocks the time-lines of both the Great Pyramid and the Temple of Jerusalem so that they both indicate a terminus year of 2016? That 2012 is the number of minutes in 33 degrees, 33 minutes? Or that the square root of 33.33 is 5.773… (the fractal of the Jewish year 5773, 2012 AD)?

At the moment of this writing, there are 3,022 hours remaining (the same number as the Great Pyramid base perimeter in feet) until the 1,260 day countdown to December 21st 2012 begins in July 11th 2009.

MARANATHA”

Wow! Will Daniel’s 70th Week and the final 7 years begin in July 2009 as this research indicates? We’ll soon find out. What I do know is that several watchers are noticing similar things and reaching similar conclusions through different means and different interpretations so what does that tell you?
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To Candace:

I don't think everything had been sorted out at the beginning of 2008. It's against the word of God that everybody will have a chance to decide until the last minute.
And what if I had never heard of your Christ Michael at the beginning of 2008? I am damned even though I made a lot of progress in the last 18 months?

To Ice:

I don't buy on your theory either. You are using too much logic and God wants us to put our heart before logic. Furthermore if the Schumann frequencies start increasing at that pace as well as the photon radiation, there won't be many people anymore there to keep track on a calender.
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this is a complete take that you can see fits all your 7 year understanding!!

for me the only date to watch is Dec 2012! 2 witnesses show up and Satan! it's on after that!


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Basically, there’s a belief that the ancients held unusual scientific knowledge, of which only fragments remain today, and that this belief was held by many great philosophers and scientists who participated in the “scientific revolution.” In “Temple at the Center of Time: Newton’s Codex Finally Deciphered and the Year 2012,” David Flynn discloses what is sure to be heralded as one of the greatest discoveries of all time.

No, what I want to do is merely call your attention to a post he made in his website Chat Forum the other day. I’ve spent so much time talking about “trying to tie everything I was seeing together into one coherent form of thought” and was succeeding here while failing there (there’s just so much info being revealed these days that it’s difficult to keep track of all of it!). Thankfully, Flynn has succeeded in this pursuit.

In essence, he has deciphered some extraordinary Illuminati calculations that provide additional mathematical proof (in addition to the research he presented in his latest book) that July 2009 is the beginning of Daniel’s 70th Week – - just as we have suggested might be the case in the “Daniel’s Timeline” series!!!

Here’s what he writes in his entry titled “Tying It All Together, 2009 -2016 Illuminati Time-Line” on his own personal website:

“Here is the answer to why the greatest UFO flap in history occurring now, in ‘triangle’ patterns…Why the Great Pyramid, the Temple of Jerusalem, and the Great Seal of the United States all agree on a time-line ending in 2016 and beginning in 2009. Illuminati – A.L., as in Masonry, means Anno Lumina – - year of light. Source MasonicDictionary.com

Craft Masonry’s calendar commences with the creation of the world and uses the term Anno Lucius (A.L.) – - “In the year of Light.” To arrive at this date they add 4000 to the common time, as the Earth was believed in conventional theology to have began in 4000 BC . This is also the date believed to mark the birth of Horus by Isis in Egypt. For an example of this era use in Free Masonic books, see this link: [link to digital.lib.ecu.edu]

According to the Illuminati, the Great Pyramid was built to commemorate and observe a supernova explosion that occurred in the year 4000 BC. Dr. Anthony Hewish, 1974 Nobel Prize winner in physics, discovered a rhythmic series of radio pulses which he proved were emissions from a star that had exploded around 4000 BC. George Michanowsky wrote in The Once and Future Star that ‘The ancient Sumerian cuneiform…described a giant star exploding within a triangle formed by…Zeta Puppis, Gamma Velorum, and Lambda Velorum…located in the southern sky….[An] accurate star catalogue now stated that the blazing star that had exploded within the triangle would again be seen by man in 6000 years.’ [link to watcher.boardzero.com]

Height of the Great Pyramid (calculated with its capstone, now missing) 5,776 inches.

U.S. Declaration of Independence, 5776 A.L (Anno Lumina – - year of light).

The Jewish calendar year 5776 is 2016 in the Gregorian calendar.

The Scottish Rite date is the same as Craft Masons, except for the use of the Jewish Chronology. Anno Mundi (A.M.), which means “In the year of the World” is their calendar terminology and adds 3760 to the common time. 2016 + 3760 = 5776,

This means that the Illumined have understood that the year 1776 in the Craft Mason calendar A.L. 5776, is a code for both the Scottish Rite and Jewish calendar year of the future, 5776, or 2016 in the Gregorian calendar.

From 2016 AD to the Dedication of the first Temple of Jerusalem in 961-962 BC is 3,022 Biblical “360 day” years. The Great pyramid is 3,022 feet at its perimeter and 5776 inches or 481 feet tall, half 962. This is the ratio of PI.

The Statue of Liberty in New York holds tablets with the singular date, “July IV 1776″ or in the “year of light” 5776 A.L. It stands exactly 5706 miles from the site of the Temple of Jerusalem. 5706 in the Jewish calendar and the Craft Masonic calendar is the year 1948, the year of Israel’s “resurrection” Ezekiel 37.

Does it make a little sense then, that the 1,260 day count down to 12/ 21/2012 begins in the week of July 4th 2009, seven years before 2016?

That the Roswell incident occurred on the evening before the 4th of July on the latitude of 33 degrees? That this latitude multiplied by the value of a circle, “PI, 3.1415…” equals the site’s longitude? Or that PI unlocks the time-lines of both the Great Pyramid and the Temple of Jerusalem so that they both indicate a terminus year of 2016? That 2012 is the number of minutes in 33 degrees, 33 minutes? Or that the square root of 33.33 is 5.773… (the fractal of the Jewish year 5773, 2012 AD)?

At the moment of this writing, there are 3,022 hours remaining (the same number as the Great Pyramid base perimeter in feet) until the 1,260 day countdown to December 21st 2012 begins in July 11th 2009.

MARANATHA”

Wow! Will Daniel’s 70th Week and the final 7 years begin in July 2009 as this research indicates? We’ll soon find out. What I do know is that several watchers are noticing similar things and reaching similar conclusions through different means and different interpretations so what does that tell you?
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Ice are you saying that you think the two witnesses and the beast will show up 3-1/2 days before Christmas 2012. That makes since sort of, in one of his video's David makes the case for the two witnesses and the AC showing up this July. Then he goes on to say that AC will come at the end of a great war........

Do you see this being possible? although time is short anything can happen in the crazy time we are living in. I can't see G/M war yet.....maybe Psalm 83/Isaiah 17

The Coming of Antichrist

Antichrist arrives at the end of a great war -- Gog & Magog
the battle will end in fire for the enemies of Israel
Antichrist comes with "holy ones"-- aliens in UFOs
Antichrist sets up seemingly peaceful global dictatorship
Antichrist signs treaty allowing for Third Temple & sacrifice
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The Antichrist is a rabbit trail......

[link to tribulationmyths.com]
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Ice are you saying that you think the two witnesses and the beast will show up 3-1/2 days before Christmas 2012. That makes since sort of, in one of his video's David makes the case for the two witnesses and the AC showing up this July. Then he goes on to say that AC will come at the end of a great war........

Do you see this being possible? although time is short anything can happen in the crazy time we are living in. I can't see G/M war yet.....maybe Psalm 83/Isaiah 17

The Coming of Antichrist

Antichrist arrives at the end of a great war -- Gog & Magog
the battle will end in fire for the enemies of Israel
Antichrist comes with "holy ones"-- aliens in UFOs
Antichrist sets up seemingly peaceful global dictatorship
Antichrist signs treaty allowing for Third Temple & sacrifice



Hey!

yep I am saying that the 2 witnesses and the beast show up around that time!

I'm am not worried about exact timing just trying to get into the ball park.

Rev 12 is the next big event and understanding what that means. I have a very large thread with tons on info on this teaching.

God Bless

ice
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Damn... I guess I missed the rapture.
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....I'm soooo soooorry, to have to tell u luke warm christians this, but there ain't no easy way...OUT...u ain't goin' anywhere...so stick around, as things are about to get real interesting...selah





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