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Several states and the District of Columbia are tracking down smokers who buy cheaper cigarettes out of their jurisdictions and have even begun tax-collection procedures that can end in liens put against the offender’s property.

Ohio and Pennsylvania have been particularly aggressive in trying to collect money from smokers who dodge local tobacco taxes by purchasing cigarettes online, from Indian reservations or from states with lower taxes.

In the District, the Office of Tax and Revenue has mailed notices demanding that cigarette buyers pay the D.C. sales tax on their past purchases via the Consumer Use tax return - an order that, if ignored, can provide the legal basis to seize a person’s home.

Natalie Wilson, a public affairs specialist for the tax office, said Thursday that 49 notices have been mailed requesting payment of $31,593, of which $17,370 has been received. Other jurisdictions such as Pennsylvania have filed liens against the homes of tax delinquents, though D.C. hasn’t gone that far yet.

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States hunt smokers who dodge sales tax
By Kristi Jourdan THE WASHINGTON TIMES | Friday, June 19, 2009

Several states and the District of Columbia are tracking down smokers who buy cheaper cigarettes out of their jurisdictions and have even begun tax-collection procedures that can end in liens put against the offender's property.

Ohio and Pennsylvania have been particularly aggressive in trying to collect money from smokers who dodge local tobacco taxes by purchasing cigarettes online, from Indian reservations or from states with lower taxes.

In the District, the Office of Tax and Revenue has mailed notices demanding that cigarette buyers pay the D.C. sales tax on their past purchases via the Consumer Use tax return - an order that, if ignored, can provide the legal basis to seize a person's home.

Natalie Wilson, a public affairs specialist for the tax office, said Thursday that 49 notices have been mailed requesting payment of $31,593, of which $17,370 has been received. Other jurisdictions such as Pennsylvania have filed liens against the homes of tax delinquents, though D.C. hasn't gone that far yet.

"Liens have not been filed on these individuals yet," Ms. Wilson said. "The District would not, and cannot, file liens until taxpayers have been offered an opportunity to file returns and pay taxes ... and have continued to fail to pay - a process that takes a considerable period of time."

In Pennsylvania, state officials mail notices to tax-delinquent smokers advising of cigarette tax laws and individual liability. If these notices are ignored, officials crack down on offenders, said Elizabeth Brassell of the state's Department of Revenue.

The tough measures are having the desired effect. Nearly $23 million of the anticipated $27.5 million in back cigarette taxes has been collected via upfront payments and deferred payment plans, Ms. Brassell said.

The federal Jenkins Act mandates that tobacco sellers identify out-of-state customers and report their purchases to each buyer's state tobacco tax administrator.

Some state officials acknowledge they generally do not go after smokers for just a few packs, but say even that can be considered a form of tax evasion. In Pennsylvania, Ms. Brassell said, officials are going after anyone who tries to find cheaper smokes across state lines.

"While the lien is an enforcement tool, we are primarily interested in educating them about liability," Ms. Brassell said of the 1,100 liens filed.

Gladys Kramer, 82, of Butler township in Pennsylvania, is one of those smokers. She has a lien against her home to recover $4,583 in unpaid state cigarette taxes and fees. Ms. Kramer bought cigarettes by telephone from a Seneca smoke shop in New York and said the state never told her that she owed money before it sent the lien.

"It's the most asinine thing I've ever heard," Ms. Kramer said. "I don't really object to the taxes. I object to them pulling this fast one, and now I have to pay interest on the tax because I didn't know about it."

Ms. Kramer said she never received a mailed notice.

"I'm asking from now on," she said. "I still say it's illegal to pay [state] tax [and federal] tax. I think it's wrong."

Traditionally, Indian reservations and online outlets have offered cigarettes at a cheaper rate per carton because of individual state tax laws - attracting Internet customers from states with high cigarette taxes. Rhode Island ranks first and New York second in the nation for cigarette taxes, at $3.46 and $2.75 per pack respectively, according to the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids.

An estimated 53 percent of New Yorkers are buying cigarettes via the Internet, on reservations and in nearby states with cheaper taxes and bootleggers, according to the New York Association of Convenience Stores.

However, possession of unstamped cartons by anyone other than Indians in New York is a crime punishable by hefty fines and jail time.

Some New York smokers were nabbed in 2005 after a Virginia court case ordered that people who purchased cigarettes online from the Virginia vendor Cigs4Cheap.com be named. Home to Philip Morris USA, the country's No. 1 tobacco company, Virginia ranks 49th among the nation's 50 states, with tobacco taxes set at just 30 cents per pack. The District is tied with Maryland, which rank as seventh in the nation with a tax of $2 per pack.

After the Cigs4Cheap list was published, New York officials sent out about 2,300 bills totaling more than $1 million and have collected about $750,000. However, there is no database keeping track of smokers who purchase cigarettes online, said Tom Bergin, a spokesman for the state's Department of Taxation and Finance.

John Kohlstrand of the Ohio Department of Taxation said authorities in that state send online cigarette purchasers a "billing notice" rather than a tax lien. Ohio ranks 24th in the nation with a $1.25 tax on each pack of cigarettes.

"It's leveling the playing field," said Mr. Kohlstrand, a former smoker. "For those who do smoke and buy [cigarettes] in Ohio, they have a right to expect everyone is playing with the same set of rules. If you buy something online, the perception is, 'I don't have to pay a sales tax on this.' ... The message is, if you do it, eventually we may catch up."

The evasion of tobacco taxes "hurts revenue collections for the state," said Bill Phelps, a Philip Morris spokesman. "The states expect to collect those taxes, and it really hurts the retailers who might be losing sales to competitors."

The Ogalala Sioux Tribe in South Dakota entered into a tax collection agreement with that state about 20 years ago in which the tribe receives 96 percent of the state's cigarette taxes collected on the reservation, totaling nearly $600,000 annually.

Because of this, Robert Palmier, the Ogalala Sioux revenue department director, says he sees the opposite of what is common elsewhere in the country - people crossing from the tribe's Pine Ridge Reservation into neighboring Nebraska for cheaper smokes.

"We tell them not to be doing that, but it's worth the two-mile drive to some people, I guess," Mr. Palmier said. "Online cigarette purchases here on the reservation are little to none."

Virginia officials are not closely monitoring cigarette sales and are not prosecuting anyone, said Joel Davison of the Virginia Department of Taxation.

In Maryland, state officials and the attorney general's office monitor online cigarette sales. Joseph Shapiro, communications director for the comptroller of Maryland, said there has been a decline in activity and no public liens or public actions are under way.
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more evidence that raising punitive taxes results in tax avoidance. Do any of our legislators know the history or our republic? it was built on a mountain of tax avoidance. if you tax it, theyll buy it elsewhere. if you ban it, they will find another source. history proves this.

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this new round of prohibition will create the biggest tobacco bootlegging operation in america since capones of the 1920s and 30s
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...what me worry. I rent.
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TAXES TAXES TAXES!!! The smokers should ask for proof that they owe this tax money and how the state and federal come up with thier figures .

I believe you should be able to buy smokes, food, cars, any goods where you want aspecially if it is cheaper in another state without having to pay taxes again when you go back to your state , sounds like double taxation which is Illegal. .
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this new round of prohibition will create the biggest tobacco bootlegging operation in america since capones of the 1920s and 30s
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Hey sweety I have some camels and marlboro I can sell you cheap. Sirens start and the tobacco dealer is slammed to the ground handcuffed , tazed and for what ? He was selling cheap cigarrettes that did not have the tax stamp on them.
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...what me worry. I rent.
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in pa theyll just levy your car or your wages.
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TAXES TAXES TAXES!!! The smokers should ask for proof that they owe this tax money and how the state and federal come up with thier figures .

I believe you should be able to buy smokes, food, cars, any goods where you want aspecially if it is cheaper in another state without having to pay taxes again when you go back to your state , sounds like double taxation which is Illegal. .
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VERIFY!! wink
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Good thread, Phennom...
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this one company doesnt report purchases to state treasuries
We don't report tax or customer information to any government agency or other entity
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this new round of prohibition will create the biggest tobacco bootlegging operation in america since capones of the 1920s and 30s


Hey sweety I have some camels and marlboro I can sell you cheap. Sirens start and the tobacco dealer is slammed to the ground handcuffed , tazed and for what ? He was selling cheap cigarrettes that did not have the tax stamp on them.
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with the new increase in tobacco taxes, watch a law slip thru that ppl cant privately grow their own tobacco - by late 2010
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So basically what they're saying is trying to cut costs where ever you can is now illegal?

That's jacked up!
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looks like the union is disintegrating and its just a collection of kingdoms as bitching about taxes is a customs thing not a local trouble
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TAXES TAXES TAXES!!! The smokers should ask for proof that they owe this tax money and how the state and federal come up with thier figures .

I believe you should be able to buy smokes, food, cars, any goods where you want aspecially if it is cheaper in another state without having to pay taxes again when you go back to your state , sounds like double taxation which is Illegal. .
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Sounds more like you don't know much about how the world works.

Cigarette taxes are so-called 'sin taxes', and states could tax tobacco at $1000/pound if they wanted to, and there is nothing you can do about it except elect new people into office to get rid of the tax.

As for your 'double taxation' -- nonsense. If you want to go across state lines to use a good or service in another territory, then that's fine. If you intend to sneak back into your own state without declaring those products bought across state lines, then you deserve to get caught and pay up. You can't have it both ways -- if you want the goods and services provided by your state, then pay the damn taxes that provide it.
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this new round of prohibition will create the biggest tobacco bootlegging operation in america since capones of the 1920s and 30s
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Which is exactly what they are after, the drug laundrying moneys just aren't enough for their projects now, so they have to make black market smokes very attractive, just as they did with booze during prohibition. Oh BTW, prostitution will soon become legal in all 50 states just so the govs can tax it too.
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this new round of prohibition will create the biggest tobacco bootlegging operation in america since capones of the 1920s and 30s


Hey sweety I have some camels and marlboro I can sell you cheap. Sirens start and the tobacco dealer is slammed to the ground handcuffed , tazed and for what ? He was selling cheap cigarrettes that did not have the tax stamp on them.
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Which will also happen if your newly legalized weed is being sold without the appropriate tax stamp.
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TAXES TAXES TAXES!!! The smokers should ask for proof that they owe this tax money and how the state and federal come up with thier figures .

I believe you should be able to buy smokes, food, cars, any goods where you want aspecially if it is cheaper in another state without having to pay taxes again when you go back to your state , sounds like double taxation which is Illegal. .


Sounds more like you don't know much about how the world works.

Cigarette taxes are so-called 'sin taxes', and states could tax tobacco at $1000/pound if they wanted to, and there is nothing you can do about it except elect new people into office to get rid of the tax.

As for your 'double taxation' -- nonsense. If you want to go across state lines to use a good or service in another territory, then that's fine. If you intend to sneak back into your own state without declaring those products bought across state lines, then you deserve to get caught and pay up. You can't have it both ways -- if you want the goods and services provided by your state, then pay the damn taxes that provide it.
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just thought of something. it used to be if you went out of state/vacation you were 'allowed' to bring back like 2-3 cartons w/o any worry. so whats the diff if you buy those same 2-3 online?
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this new round of prohibition will create the biggest tobacco bootlegging operation in america since capones of the 1920s and 30s


Hey sweety I have some camels and marlboro I can sell you cheap. Sirens start and the tobacco dealer is slammed to the ground handcuffed , tazed and for what ? He was selling cheap cigarrettes that did not have the tax stamp on them.

with the new increase in tobacco taxes, watch a law slip thru that ppl cant privately grow their own tobacco - by late 2010
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Expect it by the end of 2009.. this thing is picking up speed fast.
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¨In the District, the Office of Tax and Revenue has mailed notices demanding that cigarette buyers pay the D.C. sales tax on their past purchases via the Consumer Use tax return - an order that, if ignored, can provide the legal basis to seize a person's home.¨

Yet another land grab from the Fed Corporation called the U.S.A. who´s only jurisdiction is over Washington D.C. P.R. and Guam!
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TAXES TAXES TAXES!!! The smokers should ask for proof that they owe this tax money and how the state and federal come up with thier figures .

I believe you should be able to buy smokes, food, cars, any goods where you want aspecially if it is cheaper in another state without having to pay taxes again when you go back to your state , sounds like double taxation which is Illegal. .


Sounds more like you don't know much about how the world works.

Cigarette taxes are so-called 'sin taxes', and states could tax tobacco at $1000/pound if they wanted to, and there is nothing you can do about it except elect new people into office to get rid of the tax.

As for your 'double taxation' -- nonsense. If you want to go across state lines to use a good or service in another territory, then that's fine. If you intend to sneak back into your own state without declaring those products bought across state lines, then you deserve to get caught and pay up. You can't have it both ways -- if you want the goods and services provided by your state, then pay the damn taxes that provide it.


just thought of something. it used to be if you went out of state/vacation you were 'allowed' to bring back like 2-3 cartons w/o any worry. so whats the diff if you buy those same 2-3 online?
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We buy cigs in FL vs TX to avoid numerous price hikes. Funny thing is that food is super fkn high in FL and Cigs super fkn low. Do with that what you will. I just payed $3 per cantelope in FL and 2.50 for a pack of cigs.
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Gladys is 82 and still smoking! She has already beat the US life expectancy by a decade. I bet she gets non filters. Way to go, Gladys!




Gladys Kramer, 82, of Butler township in Pennsylvania, is one of those smokers. She has a lien against her home to recover $4,583 in unpaid state cigarette taxes and fees. Ms. Kramer bought cigarettes by telephone from a Seneca smoke shop in New York and said the state never told her that she owed money before it sent the lien.

"It's the most asinine thing I've ever heard," Ms. Kramer said. "I don't really object to the taxes. I object to them pulling this fast one, and now I have to pay interest on the tax because I didn't know about it."

Ms. Kramer said she never received a mailed notice.

"I'm asking from now on," she said. "I still say it's illegal to pay [state] tax [and federal] tax. I think it's wrong."
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just don't smoke the shit and
give them the big FY on their tax.


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another notch on the oven turned up... these fools have no idea what they are creating along the lines of unintended consequences
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this new round of prohibition will create the biggest tobacco bootlegging operation in america since capones of the 1920s and 30s
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-----or------

legalized "pot" and cigs will be back...all of this got started because pot was not legalize in the '70's...legalize pot and cig will be back....with the scientific studies saying it is not a problem....it all in the math...
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another notch on the oven turned up... these fools have no idea what they are creating along the lines of unintended consequences
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Yep, because the more stuff that's prohibited...that people actually want...the wider the black market gates open.

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Gladys is 82 and still smoking! She has already beat the US life expectancy by a decade. I bet she gets non filters. Way to go, Gladys!
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Haha yeh the oldest guy in the world about 10 years ago was a 120 year old arab in lebanon.
He was a chain smoker - rolled his own from memory.

EDIT: Hmm couldn't find a link to him - I think because there was dispute over when he was actually born - the lists only seem to include people with verified birth dates. I read the article in the paper all those years ago though so boohoo

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This is a GLP thread about tobacco seed...

Thread: Starting and Growing Tobacco from Seeds. New Hope Seed Company: Bringing back old tobacco varities from days gone by. No hybrids... No GMO's

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STOCK UP NOW. You should have at least 6 months worth of basics for every member of your household. Stay away from crowds when trouble starts, do not forget water storage, tobacco is worth more than gold or silver, and be kind to hungry children.





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