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Influenza Sudden Death Syndrome

 
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bioweapon.

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maybe, maybe not...

...but it targets Native Americans more violently than others.

Much of North America's resources especially in Canada lie in areas where Natives are still the majority.

It would certainly facilitate plans for the NAU.
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bioweapon.
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is it a genetic weapon?

Are certain strands of dna more vulnerable?
There is always a cure for what ales mankind when she awakens.
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A five year old here in NC was recently found dead after vomiting the night before. I can't help but wonder now if there is more to her death? The parents were told it was Sudden Infant Syndrome.
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Myocarditis and Pericarditis are cardiac complications of the flu. May be what is happening in these cases.

[link to www.medicalnewstoday.com]
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I remember the thread from about a week or so ago ...out of Columbia stating that 3 victims all died within 6 hours.
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The Stand is starting to happen. If you haven't read that book, pick it up immediately. The illness that takes out most of the population kills very quickly, two days, and mutates within the body (i.e. you start to feel better, then get worse and die).

The most important take-away message is how the survivors cope with a huge depopulation. Ignore the good v. evil part.

I'll never forget the narrative where they go through the Lincoln Tunnel filled with dead bodies.


I've only seen the movie. But it is probably my favorite made for TV "B" budget movie of all time.

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2 more months or so and fall starts to trickle in.
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Myocarditis and Pericarditis are cardiac complications of the flu. May be what is happening in these cases.

[link to www.medicalnewstoday.com]
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I really recommend you read your article again. It seems you put the cart before the horse in your misinterpretation...or did you even read it?:

Excerpt:

"Viral myocarditis typically starts with flu-like symptoms but can worsen quickly. That's why it is absolutely crucial to identify these symptoms early as the first step to reducing the severity of the virus and its effects on the heart."

In many cases, children and young adults complain of difficulty in breathing, which can go on for several days. Other symptoms may also indicate viral myocarditis in children such as:

-- Shortness of breath
-- Elevated temperature
-- Loss of appetite
-- Bluish or grayish discoloration of the skin
-- Chest pain
-- Irregular heartbeat (arrhythmia)

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In other words, viral myocarditis often first presents as the flu not a "complication of the flu".

And then, of course, there is clearly the opening sentence:

"Influenza, strep throat and the common cold afflict many people during the winter months, particularly in children and young adults, yet there is one often undiagnosed viral condition that can be far deadlier then these common viruses."

Sigh...

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A five year old here in NC was recently found dead after vomiting the night before. I can't help but wonder now if there is more to her death? The parents were told it was Sudden Infant Syndrome.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 436143



SIDS diagnosis for a FIVE YEAR OLD?

5 years old is not an INFANT

got a link to this story?
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I just re-read my copy of The Stand....it's scarier now!

My Boss is sick...Doctor told her sinus infection.

She has been sick for over a week now, she had just been to Georgia by AIRPLANE. Luckily she is not coming in to work.
She is home resting. I am washing my hands and avoiding people a lot. It is getting old, but I don't want to catch this.
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A five year old here in NC was recently found dead after vomiting the night before. I can't help but wonder now if there is more to her death? The parents were told it was Sudden Infant Syndrome.



SIDS diagnosis for a FIVE YEAR OLD?

5 years old is not an INFANT

got a link to this story?
 Quoting: OneAngryMom


No, I don't have a link. It was the daughter of a woman that goes to church with the lady that is helping me in my home. I will ask her if she knows which paper an obituary would be. I agree, she is not an infant!
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I really recommend you read your article again. It seems you put the cart before the horse in your misinterpretation...or did you even read it?:

In other words, viral myocarditis often first presents as the flu not a "complication of the flu".

Sigh...

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 713692

Viral Myocarditis is cause by a virus. Influenza is a virus. Sigh...

"Many types of virus infection can affect several parts of the body, including the heart muscle. So, myocarditis may develop at the same time as, or just after, a viral throat or chest infection, or when you have flu."
[link to ezinearticles.com]

Recommendations for Viral Myocarditis - a Serious Complication of the Flu
[link to www.seattlechildrens.org]
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Will they close all schools and businesses and declare martial law by September?
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6 year old from Canada:


Quote:
Rubjit was pronounced dead at hospital barely 24 hours after showing signs of a fever. Later, doctors told her parents she had the H1N1 influenza virus. She is believed to be the youngest person in Canada with the virus to have died.


Very interesting, are they sure this was the flu?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 667395


"Doctors told her parents she had the H1N1 influenza virus."

This is plain english for me...
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From CDC
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Complications

There is insufficient information to date about clinical complications of this novel influenza A (H1N1) virus infection. Among persons infected with previous variants of swine influenza viruses, clinical syndromes have ranged from mild respiratory illness, to lower respiratory tract illness, dehydration, or pneumonia. Deaths caused by previous variants of swine influenza viruses have occasionally occurred. Although data on the spectrum of illness is not yet available for this novel influenza A (H1N1), clinicians should expect complications to be similar to seasonal influenza: exacerbation of underlying chronic medical conditions, upper respiratory tract disease (sinusitis, otitis media, croup) lower respiratory tract disease (pneumonia, bronchiolitis, status asthmaticus), cardiac (myocarditis, pericarditis), musculoskeletal (myositis, rhabdomyolysis), neurologic (acute and post-infectious encephalopathy, encephalitis, febrile seizures, status epilepticus), toxic shock syndrome, and secondary bacterial pneumonia with or without sepsis.
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The Stand is starting to happen. If you haven't read that book, pick it up immediately. The illness that takes out most of the population kills very quickly, two days, and mutates within the body (i.e. you start to feel better, then get worse and die).

The most important take-away message is how the survivors cope with a huge depopulation. Ignore the good v. evil part.

I'll never forget the narrative where they go through the Lincoln Tunnel filled with dead bodies.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 713289


read 'the road'? even more futile.
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bioweapon.
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hiding
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I really recommend you read your article again. It seems you put the cart before the horse in your misinterpretation...or did you even read it?:

In other words, viral myocarditis often first presents as the flu not a "complication of the flu".

Sigh...

/

Viral Myocarditis is cause by a virus. Influenza is a virus. Sigh...

"Many types of virus infection can affect several parts of the body, including the heart muscle. So, myocarditis may develop at the same time as, or just after, a viral throat or chest infection, or when you have flu."
[link to ezinearticles.com]

Recommendations for Viral Myocarditis - a Serious Complication of the Flu
[link to www.seattlechildrens.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 707413


Based on your logic, if I have bifidobacterium in my system, then I should be concerned of developing thyphoid fever? No, you say? Why not? They are both bacterium.

Or, if I have a flu virus then I should be concerned with developing smallpox because they are both viruses?

By the bye, did you happen to read the operative word in the first sentence of your last article: rare[/]?

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6 year old from Canada:


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Rubjit was pronounced dead at hospital barely 24 hours after showing signs of a fever. Later, doctors told her parents she had the H1N1 influenza virus.

How do they know it was H1N1? Canada stopped testing to see if flu cases are regular flu or swine flu.
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From CDC
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Complications

There is insufficient information to date about clinical complications of this novel influenza A (H1N1) virus infection. Among persons infected with previous variants of swine influenza viruses, clinical syndromes have ranged from mild respiratory illness, to lower respiratory tract illness, dehydration, or pneumonia. Deaths caused by previous variants of swine influenza viruses have occasionally occurred. Although data on the spectrum of illness is not yet available for this novel influenza A (H1N1), clinicians should expect complications to be similar to seasonal influenza: exacerbation of underlying chronic medical conditions, upper respiratory tract disease (sinusitis, otitis media, croup) lower respiratory tract disease (pneumonia, bronchiolitis, status asthmaticus), cardiac (myocarditis, pericarditis), musculoskeletal (myositis, rhabdomyolysis), neurologic (acute and post-infectious encephalopathy, encephalitis, febrile seizures, status epilepticus), toxic shock syndrome, and secondary bacterial pneumonia with or without sepsis.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 707413


OMG...do you understand how the data, such as the above, are collected and reported (research the methodology for an eye-opener)?

If you want to convince me, then give me a reputable source citing the number of children dying from, or even developing, myocarditis following flu. And since myocarditis often presents as flu, then I request a data report that controlled for that variable.

I'm interested in the time frame from fever onset to death as well, which is another telling variable.

Then you will have my attention.

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Based on your logic, if I have bifidobacterium in my system, then I should be concerned of developing thyphoid fever? No, you say? Why not? They are both bacterium.

Or, if I have a flu virus then I should be concerned with developing smallpox because they are both viruses?

By the bye, did you happen to read the operative word in the first sentence of your last article: rare[/]?

.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 713692


Your example makes no sense. Typhoid fever is a disease caused by a specific bacteria. Myocarditis is a condition.

Myocarditis, like pneumonia and encephalitis can be caused by many different things. Influenza can cause all of these conditions. Duh. Rare, yes, in the normal seasonal flu. Who the heck knows what this novel influenza will cause? Already we are seeing oddities - like the ages of the victims, and my God - it's June!

The Bird flu (h5n1) in particular, caused this in some victims, which is why the sudden deaths reminded me of that possibility. It is just speculation, as I have seen very little data released as to the specific causes of these sudden deaths. People were wondering why hearts might be affected. Myocarditis is possibly why.

"A human outbreak of avian Influenza A H5N1 could see many cases of influenza-associated myocarditis and thus intensive care unit physicians should be aware of the possibilities of mobile closed chest cardiopulmonary bypass."
[link to www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov]
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This is like 2nd wave 1918, where people literally dropped dead in the streets.
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Those fuckers revived the 1918 deadly strain found on dead bodies maybe manipulated it and revived , remeber that new peoples remember? when they where excavating in where Alaska? to find people dead in 1918 and to get the virus DNA out of them.

Here it is, our great scientist at work... the ones not suicided.
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bioweapon.


maybe, maybe not...

...but it targets Native Americans more violently than others.

Much of North America's resources especially in Canada lie in areas where Natives are still the majority.

It would certainly facilitate plans for the NAU.

.

 Quoting: Isaac Brock died for us



By "Native Americans" I assume you mean Indians ?

How would targeting them facilitate the NAU ?



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Unnno!
Line up and get your flu shot.





Fuck that.
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Get ready to face a mass immunization at the end of Summer, which will probably make the problem much, much worse.
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Get ready to face a mass immunization at the end of Summer, which will probably make the problem much, much worse.

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Line up the public en mass for hours to get a flu shot...
yeah, that would spread the virus around real well.



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This is like 2nd wave 1918, where people literally dropped dead in the streets.


Those fuckers revived the 1918 deadly strain found on dead bodies maybe manipulated it and revived , remeber that new peoples remember? when they where excavating in where Alaska? to find people dead in 1918 and to get the virus DNA out of them.

Here it is, our great scientist at work... the ones not suicided.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 711611


In 1918 people were dieing within 48 hours of onset of symptoms. We have better supportive care now...
In 1918 persons with the BEST immune systems were the ones who were sickest and died..... NOT those of ill health.
The 1918 victims presented with bleeding from orifices and vomiting blood,coughing blood, rectal bleeding, and nose bleeding. Post mortums revealed lungs that looked like "Strawberry Jelly". It presented often like a Hemorrhagic Fever... like Eboli.

1918 was not like these seasonal flues; Hong Kong flu was not at all like the Spanish flu.
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6 year old from Canada:


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Rubjit was pronounced dead at hospital barely 24 hours after showing signs of a fever. Later, doctors told her parents she had the H1N1 influenza virus.

How do they know it was H1N1? Canada stopped testing to see if flu cases are regular flu or swine flu.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 648447


Autopsy...

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The Stand is starting to happen. If you haven't read that book, pick it up immediately. The illness that takes out most of the population kills very quickly, two days, and mutates within the body (i.e. you start to feel better, then get worse and die).

The most important take-away message is how the survivors cope with a huge depopulation. Ignore the good v. evil part.

I'll never forget the narrative where they go through the Lincoln Tunnel filled with dead bodies.

I've only seen the movie. But it is probably my favorite made for TV "B" budget movie of all time.

Captain Tripps.
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