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i am all for energy audits...home business or otherwise...but not mandatory...

should only be voluntary and if you decide to make the changes recommended by the audit and you get a rebate in doing so or a tax break...then ok

otherwise STAY THE FUCK OFF MY PROPERTY BIATCHES

what about the thread that you cant sell your home unless it passes these bullshit regs?? it was on here yesterday i dont recall the thread title - i shouldve saved it but didnt. if someone finds that thread post it here plz.
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I didn't see the thread, but I live just outside of Austin Tx. where it was implemented. I'm very happy that I do not live within the city limits though, because what they've done is going to ruin the real estate market.


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When I think of strangers entering my house for any reason, I always think they are just casing the place to see if it's worth it to come back later and burglarize it.

Am I the only one who thinks that way?

Is Obama's Youth Corps going to be carrying out these inspections and casing everyone's places?
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Under one part of the cap and trade called REEP not only will your home have to be inspected but you must have your home retrofitted to green standards. There is some confusion now if you will have to do this within a window after cap and trade passes or just before you can ever sell your house. You will have to have a reflective roof, low emission furnace, green appliances including possible new heat pump design water heaters or better, new windows and your home will have to be scanned with infrared scanners to detect any areas of your home that may not be energy efficient. So it is much worse than you thought. People in general are not aware of how bad this is so keep spreading the word.
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Good post, Phennommennonn !
(life is "starting" to get very interesting.)
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Under one part of the cap and trade called REEP not only will your home have to be inspected but you must have your home retrofitted to green standards. There is some confusion now if you will have to do this within a window after cap and trade passes or just before you can ever sell your house. You will have to have a reflective roof, low emission furnace, green appliances including possible new heat pump design water heaters or better, new windows and your home will have to be scanned with infrared scanners to detect any areas of your home that may not be energy efficient. So it is much worse than you thought. People in general are not aware of how bad this is so keep spreading the word.
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and where're the old gertiatric americans on fixed incomes gonna get this money to do this?

bend over america.

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[SNIP]

IMO all this shit will lead to VIOLENCE.

****************


Personally I believe that VIOLENCE is the goal. We are being herded into the slaughtering pens. The fences are too high to jump out. We are stuck.

Many, many of us will go down fighting. Hopefully enough will survive to get rid of the despots.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 687890


Sadly, I too see the writing on the wall. The gov't is inciting the masses with pushing through so many BS bills seeing which one will break the camel's back and push the masses to revolt.

To say these are "interesting times" is an understatement; sorry, but my heart is heavy and sad with the knowledge that our gov't is pushing us to civil unrest.

Have a good weekend all, stay safe as echoes of Lexington and Concord ring throughout the country this holiday weekend.
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The 1,400-page cap-and-trade legislation pushed through by House Democrats contains a new federal policy that residential, commercial, and government buildings be retrofitted to increase energy efficiency, leaving it up to the states to figure out exactly how to do that.

This means that homeowners, for example, could be required to retrofit their homes to meet federal “green” guidelines in order to sell their homes, if the cap-and-trade bill becomes law.

The bill, which now goes to the Senate, directs the administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to develop and implement a national policy for residential and commercial buildings. The purpose of such a strategy – known as the Retrofit for Energy and Environmental Performance (REEP) – would be to “facilitate” the retrofitting of existing buildings nationwide.

“The Administrator shall develop and implement, in consultation with the Secretary of Energy, standards for a national energy and environmental building retrofit policy for single-family and multi-family residences,” the bill reads.

It continues: “The purpose of the REEP program is to facilitate the retrofitting of existing buildings across the United States.”

The bill leaves the definition of a retrofit and the details of the REEP program up to the EPA. However, states are responsible for ensuring that the government’s plans are carried out, whatever the final details may entail.

“States shall maintain responsibility for meeting the standards and requirements of the REEP program,” the bill says.

States may contract with private agencies to oversee the retrofitting and measuring of improved efficiency and environmental friendliness of houses and other buildings, making sure that private citizens have a variety of choices for retrofitting their homes.

“States and local government entities may administer a REEP program in a manner that authorizes public or regulated investor-owned utilities, building auditors and inspectors, contractors, nonprofit organizations, for-profit companies, and other entities to perform audits and retrofit services,” reads the bill.

It further says, “A State or local administrator of a REEP program shall seek to ensure that sufficient qualified entities are available to support retrofit activities so that building owners have a competitive choice among qualified auditors, raters, contractors, and providers of services related to retrofits.”

In fact, individual homeowners are even allowed to retrofit buildings themselves. The bill gives specific protection to individual owners’ rights to choose who inspects and retrofits their property.

“Nothing in this section is intended to deny the right of a building owner to choose the specific providers of retrofit services to engage for a retrofit project in that owner’s building.”

Even though Congress says the states are responsible for carrying out the retrofits, the EPA and the Department of Energy will establish the guidelines and rules for doing so.

“The Administrator, in consultation with the Secretary of Energy, shall establish goals, guidelines, practices, and standards for accomplishing the purpose stated in subsection (c) [the retrofits],” the bill says.

The program would involve a system of certified auditors, inspectors, and raters who inspect homes and businesses using devices such as infrared cameras (which measure how much heat a building is giving off) to measure their energy efficiency.

The results of these energy audits would then be used to determine what retrofits need to be performed. The audits would examine things like water usage, infrared photography, and pressurized testing to determine the efficiency of door and window seals, and indoor air quality.

Those retrofits would be performed by licensed retrofit contractors using government-approved methods and resources including roofing materials that reflect solar energy.

“uilding retrofits conducted pursuant to a REEP program utilize, especially in all air-conditioned buildings, roofing materials with high solar energy reflectance,” the legislation states.

After the retrofitting is complete, the government – state, local, or federal – will come back and re-inspect the house to determine how much energy has been saved and whether the retrofit is up to federal government standards.


“Determination of energy savings in a performance-based building retrofit program through — (A) for residential buildings, comparison of before and after retrofit scores,” the proposal states.

To help pay for the cost of these retrofits, states and localities may provide loans, utility rate rebates, tax rebates, or implement retrofit programs on their own. In fact, the government will even pay up to 50 percent of the cost of a retrofit through financial awards to individual home and building owners.

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.and this cupboard is where I keep the pitchforks andthe tar. The feathers are in the next room..
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To help pay for the cost of these retrofits, states and localities may provide loans, utility rate rebates, tax rebates, or implement retrofit programs on their own. In fact, the government will even pay up to 50 percent of the cost of a retrofit through financial awards to individual home and building owners.

if no one is working, and with everyones credit in the shitter,with the retirees are having it rough as it is - who is going to be able to qualify for these loans nonetheless pay it the fuck back?

Last Edited by Phennommennonn on 07/02/2009 12:08 PM
political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
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[SNIP]

IMO all this shit will lead to VIOLENCE.

****************


Personally I believe that VIOLENCE is the goal. We are being herded into the slaughtering pens. The fences are too high to jump out. We are stuck.

Many, many of us will go down fighting. Hopefully enough will survive to get rid of the despots.


Sadly, I too see the writing on the wall. The gov't is inciting the masses with pushing through so many BS bills seeing which one will break the camel's back and push the masses to revolt.

To say these are "interesting times" is an understatement; sorry, but my heart is heavy and sad with the knowledge that our gov't is pushing us to civil unrest.

Have a good weekend all, stay safe as echoes of Lexington and Concord ring throughout the country this holiday weekend.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 656642


AC 656642
"...echoes of Lexington and Concord ring throughout the country this holiday weekend."
Wow! (I just got THE chills, even a tear...or two.)
Good points, AC!
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"Under the RESNET standards
[link to www.natresnet.org]
for a home audit, the following procedures will become law under the climate bill.

704.1.2.3 The Home Energy Survey Professional shall request copies of utility bills or
written permission to obtain the energy use information from the utility company, and use
them to produce an estimate of generalized end-uses (base, heating, and cooling).
704.1.2.5. Minimum Procedures for an In-Home Energy Survey:
704.1.2.5.1.1 R-values of wall/ceiling/floor insulation
704.1.2.5.1.2 Square footage and approximate age of home
704.1.2.5.1.3 Type of windows: glazing type(s) and frame material(s)
704.1.2.5.1.4 Type, model number, and location of heating/cooling system(s)
704.1.2.5.1.5 Type of ductwork, location and R-value of duct insulation, and any
indications of previous duct sealing
704.1.2.5.1.6 Type of foundation is crawl, basement, or slab
704.1.2.5.1.7 Checklist of common air-leakage sites indicating likely opportunities
for leakage reduction
704.1.2.5.1.8 Estimated age and efficiency of major appliances such as
dishwashers, refrigerators, freezers, washing machines and dryers
704.1.2.5.1.9 Number and type of hardwired light fixtures and screw-in bulbs in
portable lamps suitable for energy efficient re-lamping
704.1.2.5.1.10 Visual indications of condensation
704.1.2.5.1.11 Presence and location of exhaust fans, and determination of whether
they are vented outdoors
704.1.2.5.1.12 Number and type of water fixtures (e.g. faucets, showerheads)
704.1.2.5.1.13 Presence and type(s) of combustion equipment; identification of
visually identifiable evidence of flame rollout, blocked chimney, and corroded or
missing vent connector."


up your ass with an endoscope....great...when will the toilet cams be operational-make sure you are eating no excessive water soluble vitamins...or not enough roughage if your teen is a little hefty...


Disgusting

As the govt of the world POLLUTE as though they were trying to grow those sewer blobs...in Denver(although incorrectly reported to be in NC...not proven yet)

So many cases of fraud and abuse...even bush and obama both have tried to squash the EPA report who are also not 'perfect'(EPA, 2005, polluting Merrimack with contaminated waters and exceeded LEVELS they recommend in NH-One of their FAILURES)


bump


Fluoride, mercury, arsenic, and pharmaceuticals are not helping global warming...all this and MUCH MORE pollutes many groundwaters...I did not take the estrogen nor the digitalis nor the mercury or fluoride why must I be poisoned?


All their pesticides and herbicides...and the contamination of soil, air, water, and even food supplies....I did not do this either...re packaged weapons from WWII do not seem like good fertilizer to me...rat poison is not good to brush your teeth with...need I go on as many here KNOW I CAN!!!!

take care hf
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[SNIP]

IMO all this shit will lead to VIOLENCE.

****************


Personally I believe that VIOLENCE is the goal. We are being herded into the slaughtering pens. The fences are too high to jump out. We are stuck.

Many, many of us will go down fighting. Hopefully enough will survive to get rid of the despots.


Sadly, I too see the writing on the wall. The gov't is inciting the masses with pushing through so many BS bills seeing which one will break the camel's back and push the masses to revolt.

To say these are "interesting times" is an understatement; sorry, but my heart is heavy and sad with the knowledge that our gov't is pushing us to civil unrest.

Have a good weekend all, stay safe as echoes of Lexington and Concord ring throughout the country this holiday weekend.


AC 656642
"...echoes of Lexington and Concord ring throughout the country this holiday weekend."
Wow! (I just got THE chills, even a tear...or two.)
Good points, AC!
 Quoting: meroj 713122

multi tea parties in the happening this weekend
political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
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Get these Catholic Nazis out of that Congress. All they have done is to bolster their own economy. That is against the laws and not what people voted for. Not to increase their economy but this Country's and people economy. The only thing they ever come up with is their own anti-socialness ideas. They think they only give Orders and control everyone. Falsehoods and lies are what they are. These self-serving fools have been doing this for years.

One who can prove what these people really are.
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Get these Catholic Nazis out of that Congress. All they have done is to bolster their own economy. That is against the laws and not what people voted for. Not to increase their economy but this Country's and people economy. The only thing they ever come up with is their own anti-socialness ideas. They think they only give Orders and control everyone. Falsehoods and lies are what they are. These self-serving fools have been doing this for years.

One who can prove what these people really are.
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correction, new age nazi/demoCRAPS chuckle

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political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
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[SNIP]

IMO all this shit will lead to VIOLENCE.

****************


Personally I believe that VIOLENCE is the goal. We are being herded into the slaughtering pens. The fences are too high to jump out. We are stuck.

Many, many of us will go down fighting. Hopefully enough will survive to get rid of the despots.


Sadly, I too see the writing on the wall. The gov't is inciting the masses with pushing through so many BS bills seeing which one will break the camel's back and push the masses to revolt.

To say these are "interesting times" is an understatement; sorry, but my heart is heavy and sad with the knowledge that our gov't is pushing us to civil unrest.

Have a good weekend all, stay safe as echoes of Lexington and Concord ring throughout the country this holiday weekend.


AC 656642
"...echoes of Lexington and Concord ring throughout the country this holiday weekend."
Wow! (I just got THE chills, even a tear...or two.)
Good points, AC!
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LIVE FREE OR DIE


Exercise your freedom to carry in NH this Liberty weekend...forget the fireworks-the smoke and mirrors...exercise with the ones you love, work together to move our consciousness forward-regardless of their pens...who needs to spend $$$$$

some food, friends, and family-celebrate the time of the true barbarians is ending-although some will prove to love the dark ages too much, getting mired in their blinded condition

They are trying to foist civil unrest most definitively

a race war, a class war...some kind of terror as they are so full of it they are hollow on other fronts, their fear fills them and they are terrified man is waking up to the divinity within-without terror and fear...without the panic they have worked so hard to build

let them have their panic-they are creating it-if it were not so tragic it would be laughable, like real girly men...zippers on the side...waxing their hair off...denying the truth

Many options, 1 right Way...as man will repeatedly prove his humanness by his childlike god persona...time to use the teeth...time for the real meat-the asses can have at it-sniffing around like dogs looking for carrion

make sure there are no extra supplies they can pillage-no gold bars here...

no 20 yrs of food like the COG has...no I have something else I am counting on and they can deal with the truth-it will slay them-burning their ears


If they choose to be used as tools and then disposed of it is their choice-their reality they will face, BY THEIR OWN HAND

The Most High gives them NO AUTHORITY over me

They have wrested control around the world-who am I to stand against them? 0

of no consequence to them


sow and reap

If they creep


they will weep


penalties steep


Leviathan


will take them deep



bump Hope they do not fall into all these potholes in the yard...lots of planting going on...

As this crap ties in with the Codex Alimentarius


and with all property


and all livestock


and anything that could be considered a resource...re distribution of wealth for the common folks-little do the cheering section therein realize it is not for the common...but the 'elite'

Wake up...

make ready...the wolves are circling the camp

the widow Liberty with her torch spoke prematurely...
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Thread: The Excrement Is Striking the Rotary Oscillator
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"Ego et Dominus sumus amici"
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Ego et mea umbra
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

'Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. This kind of liberal orientation has great appeal. We must electrically control the brain. Some day armies and generals will be controlled by electric stimulation of the brain.’
- U.S. government mind manipulator, Dr. Jose Delgado, Congressional Record, No. 262E, Vol. 118, 1974
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multi tea parties in the happening this weekend
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The Tea Party we had yesterday was very sparsely attended. I don't believe that they are really having much effect on DC.

I wish I knew the answer how to stop the train wreck that is Congress. I wish I knew how to stop this current agenda being pushed without means of violence. You can feel the groundswell of anger building in this country.

I look at our 4 y/o and 6 y/o sons and want to weep for them. As it is, I do the only thing a peaceful, law abiding citizen can do, I contact my representatives, make my voice heard. I encourage others to contact their representatives; but, at this point, it has passed the point of Congress being able to stem the tide of unrest IMHO.

May we all find and accept peace, love, joy, tolerance and compassion in our hearts and minds. We will surely need these traits in the coming months.

Have a happy and safe 4th of July.
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Really, WTF? ~ I guess someone dreamed up another gubbermint job...

They had better issue flak-jackets is all I gotta' say.

:DJrebelli:
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An anti-Nazi march will take place in this Country. They are fools if they think Americans will not respond.
Not that I am big about any Countries on this planet.

It may just be a fact that Civilizations quit existing and real people with real ideas come to the fore. The ideas they have continue to end up being in my opinion stupid.

There is no reason to fix up individuals when the city's infrastructure had to pay for them first and the infrastructure second. It is still not correct just like the food and anything else.
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It has gotten to the point where criminals are not criminals anymore, and all they have done for years is to move them around the Country.

No, there is not those kinds of Rights in this Country, never was and never will be. They only refer to theirselves in the end about how they think they should be treated while bolstering how they pay taxes and have more say. What is it that they complain about?

White collar criminal management!
What are they?
The same thing.
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They still state that it is their freedom. Really? According to what and whom?

According to them they are not criminals and have Rights. Too bad they never convict theirselves. They always do change the subject. They continue to proceed from false premis.

They think that they are more important. Too bad they have not learned anything else.
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Really, WTF? ~ I guess someone dreamed up another gubbermint job...

They had better issue flak-jackets is all I gotta' say.

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these alleged green jobs will essentially be narc'ing us out
political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
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So where the heck are they going to get the money for these auditors?

If I recall, as a nation we're broke. And I doubt Al Gore or Bill Gates is going to foot the bill.
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check out what this guy posted on another board. spot on dude.


WarmWind Says:

July 2nd, 2009 at 9:57 am
If the Bill passes the Senate we will need to reinvigorate the 10th Amendment: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

We need to be on the look out for three possible (probable) attempts to circumvent the 10th: The Commerce Clause (Somehow this will be tied to commerce between the States), Bribery of the States (the Fed’s will attach $$ if the States will follow), or the Necessary and Proper Clause (The Feds have to institute these laws in order to carry out their Commerce responsibilities or some other such nonsense).

The Federal Government clearly does not have the Constitutional Authority to make these laws.

I have been researching the history of how the Federal Government gets around their “Constitutional Shackles” and with the help of the U.S. Supreme Court these are the most “used” methods. I hope to have my research compiled into an on-line movie by early next week and posted to my site (Click my name). I never knew how corrupt the U.S. Supreme Court was until I started doing this research…. Now, I can’t believe everyone doesn’t know, they have been throwing it our faces for generations
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Pretty funny
Less and less people are trying to defend this piece of shit bill
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Pretty funny
Less and less people are trying to defend this piece of shit bill
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i seriously hate to say this - but people i talk to in harrisburg, on the street - dont even know what it is. when i explain it, they get this look on their faces and shrug it off
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I'm guessing the utility companies will boom on rate spikes.

What is Obamam going to do about poor people who live in shacks? Is he going to give them all new houses that are forclosed and don't meet standards?
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I'm guessing the utility companies will boom on rate spikes.

What is Obamam going to do about poor people who live in shacks? Is he going to give them all new houses that are forclosed and don't meet standards?
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pa's cap on elec comes off dec 31 abc27 reported our rates would rocket 150.00 didnt say a month or year so i called - its a month!!!! fukn middletown boro is all geriatric/low income, theyre not regulated by the PUC they have their own elec co. the news said their bills would triple.
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I am thinking it is almost bug out time!

with their GPS/census they'll know every nook & fuckin cranny of every foothill.
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if in the country, off the grid, 4x4 to get there, and no mail address...no census taken.

this country is going down the toilet
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Yeah i agree. its disturbing how people just seem to be trapped in their own little worlds now and arent even remotely paying attention to the stuff happening around.


I meant more on here and other sites haha
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I am thinking it is almost bug out time!

with their GPS/census they'll know every nook & fuckin cranny of every foothill.


if in the country, off the grid, 4x4 to get there, and no mail address...no census taken.

this country is going down the toilet
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uhmmmm satellite imaging
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