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The Gambling Atheist and the Thinking Christian

 
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Two friends, an atheist and a Christian, were talking. The atheist begins to share his opinion about God and about Christians. He says that Christians are simply weak minded people who use religion for a crutch. He further states that the Bible is nothing but a book of fables and myths that can be used by anyone to justify any action that a person may feel is right. There is no heaven and doing good deeds is merely a sad, self righteous attempt to appear better than other people. All Christians are really cowards who are afraid of reality.

The Christian just smiled at his friend and took him by surprise when he said something to the atheist that was apparently unrelated to the conversation. The Christian told the atheist that he had given up gambling

and taken up thinking instead. He told his atheist friend that he knew what gambling was and that true Christians do not gamble.

The atheist then began to accuse his friend of simply trying to change the subject. And then the Christian interrupted his friend with an even stranger statement by calling his atheist friend a lousy gambler. At this point the atheist asks his Christian friend to explain himself.

The Christian says to his friend - You claim there is no God and that the Bible is a book of myths and errors, yet I believe it to be God's word. Since this is what I believe, I try to live in harmony with its eternal principles of right. I pattern my life after the example of Jesus Christ my Saviour whose character is revealed in that Bible. But you my dear atheist friend are a lousy gambler. You are not just a gambler but you are lousy at gambling. You play to lose with no intention of winning.

The Christian continues... Just think about how we each view life and the ultimate outcome of each of these views. If at the end of life's journey, it turns out that you and all atheists were correct in believing that there is no God and the Bible is merely a book of fables, then I and every other true Christian will have nothing to look forward to after death. No heaven. We will have lived what we thought was a Christian life. We will have lived by standards of moral excellence and developed beautiful characters. We will not gain anything at death but we will not lose anything either.

The Christian comes closer to his atheist friend and looking him directly in his eyes says - However, my atheist friend, if at the end of life's journey, it turns out that I and every other true Christian were correct in believing...

That there is a God,

that the Bible is His word,

that character does decide one's eternal destiny,

that there is a judgment

and that there is a beautiful place called heaven prepared for those who have Christ like characters...

If you are wrong, my friend and these things are true, then what will you and every other rejector of God look forward to at death?

This is why I say that you are a lousy gambler. You play to lose with no intention of winning. I don't gamble but I know a foolish risk when I see one.

There are many conclusions one can make about this story but one point in particular seemed to impress my mind: Beliefs have consequences. Right beliefs have good consequences and wrong beliefs have bad and sometimes fatal consequences. There are many people whose understanding of life connects them in some way to the gambling atheist. They reject the Bible claiming that it is a book of fables, full of error and subject to faulty, human interpretation. Others reject God because of what they read in the Bible.

Is this reasonable? How could a person believe that the Bible is a book of fables steeped in error and yet reject God because of what they read in the Bible? How can they be sure that their bad picture of God is not a fable or one of the errors that they claim are in the Bible?

When a person chooses to believe that the good things in the Bible are not true, how can they be sure that the evil things are true? The truth of the matter is this; if a person does not trust the Bible when it reveals the beauty of God's character then that person cannot trust the Bible when it appears to reveal evil in God's character. If a person does not trust the Bible about the goodness, the power and the love of God, then that person cannot trust the Bible whenever it presents an opposite picture of God's character. That is to say, not unless he or she is gambling.

God is love. (1 John 4:8) This is His character. This is the essence of all his dealings with every created being of every world in His universe. Jesus Christ came to reveal this character to us that we might be drawn and attracted towards God. God desires the service of love; service that springs from an appreciation of His character. The birth, life and death of Jesus Christ forever dispels from every intellectually, honest mind the notion that God is selfish. Do you want to know what God, our Creator is like? Do you want know what kind of person He is? Look at the character of Jesus and you will know what God is like.

Not only did Christ die to pay the penalty for the sins of every human being, but He lived to demonstrate the kind of character that everyone must have who will live in heaven. We can do nothing in our own strength to develop this kind of character but by God's enabling grace, prayed for and received each day we can be made fit for heaven and prepared to receive God's gift of immortality.

One more thing. Character cannot be changed after death. It becomes more and more permanently fixed by our choices from day to day. How much time do you have left? The longer one waits to yield to the beckoning, love call of God's voice to the conscience, the less likely it is that the individual will be able to change, until at last, it is too late. Every person's character will be the result of each individual's lifetime of choices. God does not save anyone against their will or without their cooperation.

All of these thoughts are found in the verses of the Bible. If there is no God and the Bible is a book of fables which is full of errors, then you have nothing to lose by not believing what you have read in this article. If there is a God and the Bible is all true, you have everything to lose by not believing what you have just read in this article. Beliefs have consequences. Anyone feel like gambling?
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I ain't readin' all that.
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You believe what you want, in the end of the day I'm going to live my life the way it makes me happy, and if I go to hell for not being a believer and enjoying my life so be it.
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Makes too much sense for some to bear..
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I ain't readin' all that.
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agreed....to long of a read to read about some phony religion and god that floats above the clouds.
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"God does not play dice"
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Self righteous post is self righteous
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Great. So the Christian crashes the argument into the ground through red herrings, strawmen, and false correlations with unrelated situations, only to make the (invalid) point that you should believe in God because if you're wrong, you'll be tortured for all eternity.

Great point!

bsflag
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I ain't readin' all that.



agreed....to long of a read to read about some phony religion and god that floats above the clouds.
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You guys should read it. That way you can actually know how illogical it is.

But it sounds nice! :P
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Great. So the Christian crashes the argument into the ground through red herrings, strawmen, and false correlations with unrelated situations, only to make the (invalid) point that you should believe in God because if you're wrong, you'll be tortured for all eternity.

Great point!

bsflag
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Imagine that !

God knowing that a large portion of his believers, are doing so largely because it is out of fear , and those believers thinking that if they believe, it is their ticket to heaven.

LOL
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If you have to worship a creator, out of fear, then that creator you worship is evil.
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Great. So the Christian crashes the argument into the ground through red herrings, strawmen, and false correlations with unrelated situations, only to make the (invalid) point that you should believe in God because if you're wrong, you'll be tortured for all eternity.

Great point!

bsflag


Imagine that !

God knowing that a large portion of his believers, are doing so largely because it is out of fear , and those believers thinking that if they believe, it is their ticket to heaven.

LOL
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Hell, and I had figured the ticket came wrapped around a chocolate bar!
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If it possibly says anything along the lines of what I gather it maght be saying, based on its title, it might be coming from a mentality that overlooks the scriptural fact that God can only be revealed to an individual by His own doing. Peter acknowledged Jesus as the Christ, and Jesus told him "Flesh & blood has not revealed this to you, my Father has".
"The carnal mind cannot receive the things of the spirit", etc.
To many evangelizers seem to think it's a matter of logic or just "figuring it out", and that those not interested in meeting Jesus are simply obstinate and evil, when the whole matter is actually between them and God. We're not called to argue people into the kingdom, and yet we seem to think that's our job (among other things).

(Please disregard if tnone of this applies).
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Great. So the Christian crashes the argument into the ground through red herrings, strawmen, and false correlations with unrelated situations, only to make the (invalid) point that you should believe in God because if you're wrong, you'll be tortured for all eternity.

Great point!

bsflag


Imagine that !

God knowing that a large portion of his believers, are doing so largely because it is out of fear , and those believers thinking that if they believe, it is their ticket to heaven.

LOL


Hell, and I had figured the ticket came wrapped around a chocolate bar!
 Quoting: Voices For Guns



One of my favorite films of all time . Love Gene Wilder in that...

OH WAIT...I aint suppose to say that, cause according to some people, im a

Anti-semite !

LOL
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What if the Christian and the Athiest both grow old and meet up again to have that chat except niether get to die, Instead Lord Cthulu returns from the aeons and begins to devour the world, then surely both would be wrong and would have the misfortune of being devoured last.

Cthulu Phftgn!
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What if the Christian and the Athiest both grow old and meet up again to have that chat except niether get to die, Instead Lord Cthulu returns from the aeons and begins to devour the world, then surely both would be wrong and would have the misfortune of being devoured last.

Cthulu Phftgn!
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FSM would manifest and crush them all!
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I ain't readin' all that.



agreed....to long of a read to read about some phony religion and god that floats above the clouds.


You guys should read it. That way you can actually know how illogical it is.

But it sounds nice! :P
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LOL... I did read it! I was in the process of correcting it by switching atheist and Christian around for my argument....but I thought piss on it. people will NEVER be able to make them see any alternative aside from what they already are so brainwashed to believe.

What are the most effective teaching methods in the world? By repetition and rote. I am sure the church knows this. LOL
Born into this World
We create echoes of our inward yearnings
And Shift along the Axis
From matter to Spirit
- Scott Mutter
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How is the Christian not gambling in this story? He's betting the only thing that he is sure that he has (his time and energy here on Earth) on some indefinite ideological return (eternal bliss in heaven).


Doing good deeds, being a good person, studying benevolent philosophy... all good things, things that will likely improve the quality of your life, and the lives of others on this planet (and please anybody watching, even a creator).

Churches are amazing institutions that have an incredible potential to bring people together do do great things, things that could not be done be individuals like build houses/clean a beach in a day etc...

But there is so much BS in religions.

They discourage thinking critically about what you are told. Faith is important... but it should be derived from science and statistics.

Believing in heaven works for many people, and that can't be taken away from them, but you can't say that it isn't a gamble if you believe that you have to sacrifice what you know you have for what you believe you may receive.
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By defination, christurd cult followers are as far from thinkers as anyone could possibly get.


Six Thousand years of bleating and praying and begging their dikless imaginary totally useless powerless non existent fugger god to appear......


Lets look at the results......

RESULTS = FAIL

SIX THOUSAND YEARS OR PRAYER AND BEGGING GOD TO APPEAR
FAIL FAIL FAIL AND WILL ALWAYS FAIL.

Normal people certainly know that 6000 years of worshiping a non existent god would be enough failure even for instutionalized idiots.

But not christurds.

christurds cling to their ignorant silly absurdly rediculous BLIND faith

SIX THOUSAND YEARS OF ABJECT FAILURE.

Their god has never even given them even a ten second
appearance, for all to see.


Their god has NO TIME FOR THEM.

NOT EVEN TEN FUKING SECONDS OF PUBLIC APPEARANCE IN SIX THOUSAND YEARS.

NOT EVEN FIVE SECONDS.

How fuking stoopid and blind can even these mindless
christurd drones actually be?

No one can possibly be this stooooooooooooooopid.

Their god fugger is, and alway will be a NO SHOW.
FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL.

Absolutely NOTHING fails like the christurd cult of losers

How long will such FAILURE continue?

As long as there is huge money in cult brain washing.

Face it............

No REAL,... loving... god would ever ignore those who literally worshiped his asshole, during SIX THOUSAND YEARS OF non stop BEGGING.

But for mindless christurds, what remains of thier mind is mush.

They live in constant mindlesss brain dead fog.
They have been roboticed and zombified.

Continuing to do what has failed fifty trillion times is pure insanity.

Nothing spells insanity like the christurd cult though.




There are only two possible reasons for their gods failure to appear after six thousand years.

1.
Their god fugger is imaginary.

2.
Their god fugger doesn't give a fuk about them.


So which is it, you mindless christurd losers?

1. Not there?
or just
2. Doesn't give a fuk.

Which is it?

-
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What if there is a God, and that god is absolutely nothing like what the Christian cultists have been raised and taught to believe? What if the TRUE God throws people to hell who believe in anything without sufficient evidence?
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bee1

Well I'm a Christian and I gamble small sums on the lottery or whatever. It's a bit like drinking, don't take it to excess.
Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
Psa 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, [and] all the nations that forget God.
Jer 6:2 I have likened the daughter of Zion to a comely and delicate [woman].
STOCK UP NOW. You should have at least 6 months worth of basics for every member of your household. Stay away from crowds when trouble starts, do not forget water storage, tobacco is worth more than gold or silver, and be kind to hungry children.
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"God does not play dice"
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Indeed, I heard he likes texas hold em.
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This Thread: FAIL
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This Thread: FAIL
 Quoting: Voices For Guns


Yes. the OP was basically Pascal's wager.
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so is the moral of this story that christians "believe" in god just as an insurance policy?

that's what it sounds like to me.
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so is the moral of this story that christians "believe" in god just as an insurance policy?

that's what it sounds like to me.
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bump

How can anyone sincerely "love" a safety net?
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Since when do christians ....... "Think"?????

They have "Faith"........NO NEED TO THINK.

If they actually thought, they would not be christian.

Look up the definition of "FAITH".....

Are you really ok with that?

Oh, wait, that requires thinking.........never mind........
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What if there is a God, and that god is absolutely nothing like what the Christian cultists have been raised and taught to believe? What if the TRUE God throws people to hell who believe in anything without sufficient evidence?
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bump
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What if there is a God, and that god is absolutely nothing like what the Christian cultists have been raised and taught to believe? What if the TRUE God throws people to hell who believe in anything without sufficient evidence?
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Do you understand what you wrote? lol
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"God does not play dice"

Indeed, I heard he likes texas hold em.
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Well we really have no way of knowing that until such time as He should choose to let us know.

However...Pro 16:33 The lot is cast into the lap; but the whole disposing thereof [is] of the LORD.
Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
Psa 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, [and] all the nations that forget God.
Jer 6:2 I have likened the daughter of Zion to a comely and delicate [woman].
STOCK UP NOW. You should have at least 6 months worth of basics for every member of your household. Stay away from crowds when trouble starts, do not forget water storage, tobacco is worth more than gold or silver, and be kind to hungry children.
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Yeah, bonehead OP, you are gambling too. Maybe your God is the wrong God and maybe the real God is Allah? Maybe all non-Mormons go to hell? Maybe Buddhah is the real God? Maybe L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology is the "real" religion? Who knows? But why should the Christian religion be the one and only correct religion? Why??? Oh, I know, just because it was the religion you were brought up to believe is true. Your post was an epic fail and you have nothing to say to correct it. You claim to be a "Thinking" man, next time you post something, THINK about it first.





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