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If Vaccines Don't Cause Autism Then Why Do The Amish Have Almost No Autism In Their Children?

 
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Managing Editor's Note: Dr. Max Wiznitzer of University Hospitals in Cleveland is an expert witness for the government against the families who file in the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program.

By Dan Olmsted

It is unanimous, apparently -- the rate of autism among the Amish is low. Really, really low. So low that if it were the same in the rest of the population, we wouldn't even be talking about the subject. Shockingly low.

But not so shocking that anyone feels compelled to follow up on the information or its logical implications -- not four years ago when I first pointed it out, not today when the clues it contains are more intriguing than ever -- in fact, never, never, never.

In April 2005 I wrote a UPI column called The Amish Anomaly that began this way: "Where are the autistic Amish? Here in Lancaster County, heart of Pennsylvania Dutch country, there should be well over 100 with some form of the disorder. I have come here to find them, but so far my mission has failed ..."


In case anyone had any lingering doubts about the virtual absence of autism among the Amish, they were effectively put to rest on Friday night's Larry King segment when Dr. Max Wiznitzer -- defending the vaccine program, arguing autism has not increased and insisting it is a genetic disorder preset from birth, said the rate of autism in northeastern Ohio, the nation's largest Amish community, was 1 in 10,000. He should know, he said: "I'm their neurologist."

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No, they just have something much worse...Cohen Syndrome.

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Imagine finding a city where nobody had cancer. Wouldn't you want to find out why? Now apply this to Autism. Our media's lack of reporting on why the Amish have so little Autism is near criminal. It's plain to see that they will not investigate this. Now who is ready to get that swine flu vaccine this fall?
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... I thought not too long ago someone DID win a court case agains vaccines ...
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... but of course the msm would NEVER report that ...
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I wonder if anyone ever thought it might be a race thing? I mean some races are more likely to get and die from certain diseases, others get health problems that somehow protect them from deadly diseases.

I know it might sound a little racist, but it's true, Africans get sickle-cells more often than Asians, and are more resistant to some things (like malaria) although it does present more of a problem when things like malaria are nearly non-existant (like in Europe or the US).

Maybe the Amish are more resistant to Autism? Less likely to get it?
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No, they just have something much worse...Cohen Syndrome.

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I'm not talking about inter marriage. There is a reason they have such little Autism in their communities. They don't get vaccinated as much as we do and on a very different schedule when they do. This is serious evidence and it is being suppressed.
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Maybe the Amish are more resistant to Autism? Less likely to get it?
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Pull your head out of your ass, sheeple.
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I wonder if anyone ever thought it might be a race thing? I mean some races are more likely to get and die from certain diseases, others get health problems that somehow protect them from deadly diseases.

I know it might sound a little racist, but it's true, Africans get sickle-cells more often than Asians, and are more resistant to some things (like malaria) although it does present more of a problem when things like malaria are nearly non-existant (like in Europe or the US).

Maybe the Amish are more resistant to Autism? Less likely to get it?
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The government's own witness stuck his foot in his mouth. Where is Journalism in America? It is dead.
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The idea that the Amish do not vaccinate their children is untrue,” says Dr. Kevin Strauss, MD, a pediatrician at the CSC.

Just to check for myself, I called Strauss's clinic and chatted with a community liaison named Rebecca. Rebecca, who grew up among the Amish, confirms that about 70% of the Amish in Lancaster County do, indeed, vaccinate

[link to autism.about.com]


Now, as we all know, when Dan Olmsted first started writing about the Amish he claimed that both Amish children are never vaccinated and that the Amish either don’t have autism, or it is very rare.

It has been established since than that Omsted’s ‘reporting’ (which constituted asking a water cooler salesman) somehow missed the fact that the Amish actually do vaccinate in pretty high numbers



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there are kids with autism that have NOT been vaccinated I know of one. I work with autistic kids. This child is a fraternal twin, his brother does not have autism, neither of the boys received any vaccinations, yet one is autistic.
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The idea that the Amish do not vaccinate their children is untrue,” says Dr. Kevin Strauss, MD, a pediatrician at the CSC.

Just to check for myself, I called Strauss's clinic and chatted with a community liaison named Rebecca. Rebecca, who grew up among the Amish, confirms that about 70% of the Amish in Lancaster County do, indeed, vaccinate

[link to autism.about.com]


Now, as we all know, when Dan Olmsted first started writing about the Amish he claimed that both Amish children are never vaccinated and that the Amish either don’t have autism, or it is very rare.

It has been established since than that Omsted’s ‘reporting’ (which constituted asking a water cooler salesman) somehow missed the fact that the Amish actually do vaccinate in pretty high numbers



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When they do vaccinate it has been shown they do so on a very different schedule than most other Americans. In checking out this article I found there has been a great effort to discredit Omsted. You have to wonder why? Is it big Pharma?
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I'm not talking about inter marriage. There is a reason they have such little Autism in their communities. They don't get vaccinated as much as we do and on a very different schedule when they do. This is serious evidence and it is being suppressed.
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There's a lot of other evidence that autism is genetic. For example, if one parent is a nerd with social deficits, statistics favor that parent having at least one autistic child. If a grandparent or an aunt or uncle (related by blood, not marriage) are autistic, a child is more likely to be autistic. If one child is autistic, siblings are more apt to have autism also. Of course, that could happen if they were all on the same vaccination schedule too.

Google "genetic autism" for links.
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Chronic Mycoplasmal Infections in Autism
Written by Marlana Lytehaause
Thursday, 12 October 2006
Chronic Mycoplasmal Infections in Autism Patients

Garth L. Nicolson,1 PhD, Marwan Y. Nasralla,2 PhD, Paul Berns,1 MD
and Jeorg Haier,3 MD, PhD

1The Institute for Molecular Medicine, Huntington Beach, California, USA,,
2International Molecular Diagnostics, Inc., Huntington Beach, California, USA,
3Department of Internal Medicine, and
3Department of Surgery, Wilhelm-University, Munster, Germany
Correspondence: Prof. Garth L. Nicolson, Office of the President, The Institute for Molecular Medicine, 15162 Triton Lane, Huntington Beach, California 92649. Tel: 714-903-2900; Fax: 714-379-2082; Email: [email protected]; Website: www.immed.org

Abstract
A majority of Autism patients have systemic bacterial, viral and fungal infections that may play an important part in their illnesses. We found that immediate family members of veterans diagnosed with Gulf War Illnesses (GWI) often complain of fatiguing illnesses, and upon analysis they report similar signs and symptoms as their veteran family members, except that their children are often diagnosed with Autism. Since a relatively common finding in GWI patients is a bacterial infection due to Mycoplasma fermentans, we examined military families (149 patients: 42 veterans, 40 spouses, 32 other relatives and 35 children with at least one family complaint of illness) selected from a group of 110 veterans with GWI who tested positive (~42%) for mycoplasmal infections. Consistent with previous results, over 80% of GWI patients who were positive for blood mycoplasmal infections had only one Mycoplasma species, M. fermentans. In healthy control subjects the incidence of mycoplasmal nfection was ~8.5% and none were found to have multiple mycoplasmal species (P<0.001). In 107 family members of mycoplasma-positive GWI patients there were 57 patients (53%) that had essentially the same signs and symptoms as the veterans and were diagnosed with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS/ME) and/or Fibromyalgia Syndrome. The majority of children (n=35) in this group were diagnosed with autism. Most of these CFS or Autism patients also had mycoplasmal infections compared to the few non-symptomatic family members (P<0.001), and the most common species found was M. fermentans. In contrast, in the few non-symptomatic family members that tested mycoplasma-positive, the Mycoplasma species were usually different from the species found in the GWI patients. The results suggest that a subset of GWI patients have mycoplasmal infections, and these infections can be transmitted to immediate family members who subsequently display similar signs and symptoms, except for theirchildren who are often diagnosed with Autism. In a separate study in Central California we examined autism patients and also found a high incidence of mycoplasmal infections, but in contrast to the military families a variety of Mycoplasma species were detected in Autism patients.
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Maybe it has nothing to do with vaccinations and is instead because the Amish don't have linoleum flooring.




Scientists Find 'Baffling' Link between Autism and Vinyl Flooring


Swedish children who live in homes with vinyl floors are more likely to have autism, according to a new study, but what's behind the link is unclear


Children who live in homes with vinyl floors, which can emit chemicals called phthalates, are more likely to have autism, according to research by Swedish and U.S. scientists published Monday.

The study of Swedish children is among the first to find an apparent connection between an environmental chemical and autism.

The scientists were surprised by their finding, calling it "far from conclusive." Because their research was not designed to focus on autism, they recommend further study of larger numbers of children to see whether the link can be confirmed.

Bernard Weiss, a professor of environmental medicine at University of Rochester and a co-author of the study, said the connection between vinyl flooring and autism "turned up virtually by accident." He called it "intriguing and baffling at the same time."

Experts suspect that genetic and environmental factors combine to cause autism, a neurodevelopmental disorder that has increased dramatically in children over the past 20 years.

In the new study, Swedish families were asked questions about flooring as part of research investigating allergies and indoor air pollutants. Phthalates, used to make soft plastic, have in previous studies been connected to allergies and asthma.

The study was based on surveys that asked a variety of questions related to the indoor environment. Of the study's 4,779 children between the ages of 6 and 8, 72 had autism, including 60 boys.

The researchers found four environmental factors associated with autism: vinyl flooring, the mother's smoking, family economic problems and condensation on windows, which indicates poor ventilation.

Infants or toddlers who lived in bedrooms with vinyl, or PVC, floors were twice as likely to have autism five years later, in 2005, than those with wood or linoleum flooring.

"A greater proportion of children with autism spectrum disorder were reported to have PVC as flooring material in the child's and the parent's bedroom in 2000 compared to children without autism spectrum disorder," the scientists wrote in the journal Neurotoxicology. "Furthermore, children with autism spectrum disorder were reported to live in homes with more condensation on the inside of the windows, which...may be seen as an indicator for deficient ventilation."

Children in the study also were twice as likely to have autism if their mothers smoked cigarettes. The autistic children also were more likely to have asthma.

The lead investigator was Carl-Gustav Bornehag of Karlstad University in Sweden, who in 2004 found a high rate of asthma and allergies among children living in households with dust containing phthalates.

The scientists reported that they do not know if asthma and autism are related, or whether phthalates contributed to the risk of autism by some other mechanism, such as disruption of hormones. Phthalates in animal tests interfere with male hormones and sexual development.

"The data are far from conclusive. They are puzzling, even baffling, and not readily explicable at this time," the scientists wrote in their study. "However, because they are among the few clues that have emerged about possible environmental contributions to autistic disorders, we believe that they should be weighed carefully and warrant further study."

Several scientists who did not participate in the study cautioned that it has too many limitations to draw conclusions, but they suggested that new studies be designed to look for a connection between autism and indoor air pollutants.

Dr. Philip Landrigan, a pediatrician who is director of the Children's Environmental Health Center at Mount Sinai School of Medicine, called the results "intriguing, but in my mind preliminary because they are based on very small numbers." Landrigan said he has "no doubt that environmental exposures are involved in causation of autism," but he suspects the most significant exposures occur not in childhood, but early in pregnancy, "when the basic architecture of the brain is still being established."

The researchers relied on questionnaires and did not measure any chemicals in the homes, which limits the reliability of the findings because they do not know for certain that the children were exposed to phthalates. Previous studies have found that phthalates are common in household dust.

Phthalates are used as softeners in plastic for vinyl flooring as well as other building materials, toys and medical equipment. The chemicals have become increasing controversial in recent years, with Congress last year banning their use in children's products.

The American Chemistry Council, representing chemical companies producing phthalates, said in a statement Monday that the new study does not prove a link between the chemicals and autism. "No other means for assessing these children existed except for the questionnaire and the parent's responses, making this finding rather insignificant," said Chris Bryant, the group's managing director. Autism, he said, "was not systematically analyzed, but just happened to be a question asked five years into the study."

The industry group has said flooring emits "extremely low" levels of phthalates. Because the compounds are heavy molecules with low volatility, they do not tend to evaporate, and wear and tear that might release particles into dust is slight, they said.

Vinyl flooring is commonplace in Sweden, where only about 1 percent of homes have carpeted floors. But it is uncommon in U.S. bedrooms, so it may not be related to autism among American children. However, carpeting contains other contaminants, including pesticides and brominated flame retardants, which have been found to harm brain development in animal tests.

The scientists said their new finding "suggests that studies of other chemical contaminants with endocrine disruptor properties might yield useful insights into the genesis of" autism.

Previously, three studies in California have found a connection between children's exposure to household or agricultural pesticides and autism.

Rates of autism in California have increased seven-fold since 1990, a recent study found. Because genetics do not change that quickly, scientists suspect that chemical pollutants are probably playing a role. But there have been few studies attempting to pinpoint which chemicals, or combination of chemicals.

[link to www.scientificamerican.com]
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mycoplasma is in vaccines
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I think it is because they do not eat any processed foods with HFCS
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genetic????

the parents probably got vaccinated then too

and this amish disease, theres only 100 cases? lol

we should only have thes statistics with autism

here are some good links.

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The idea that the Amish do not vaccinate their children is untrue,” says Dr. Kevin Strauss, MD, a pediatrician at the CSC.

Just to check for myself, I called Strauss's clinic and chatted with a community liaison named Rebecca. Rebecca, who grew up among the Amish, confirms that about 70% of the Amish in Lancaster County do, indeed, vaccinate

[link to autism.about.com]


Now, as we all know, when Dan Olmsted first started writing about the Amish he claimed that both Amish children are never vaccinated and that the Amish either don’t have autism, or it is very rare.

It has been established since than that Omsted’s ‘reporting’ (which constituted asking a water cooler salesman) somehow missed the fact that the Amish actually do vaccinate in pretty high numbers



[link to leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk]


When they do vaccinate it has been shown they do so on a very different schedule than most other Americans. In checking out this article I found there has been a great effort to discredit Omsted. You have to wonder why? Is it big Pharma?
 Quoting: The Chef

Thanks for your response..I'm not really up on all the data,just throwing diff. things around

You might find this interesting and it does play into the Amish angle,since they don't generally have have Vinyl Flooring in their homes.



Scientists Find 'Baffling' Link between Autism and Vinyl Flooring

Children who live in homes with vinyl floors, which can emit chemicals called phthalates, are more likely to have autism, according to research by Swedish and U.S. scientists published Monday

[link to www.scientificamerican.com]

Could it be a combo of things?
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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Nobody knows what causes Autism




It will probably turn out to be a disease we THINK is harmless.


Here's and example.


There's a disease carried by cats, we've known about it for decades and it was considered harmless since infected people never seem to get sick from it......until last year when researchers discovered that EVERY PERSON WITH SCHIZOPHRENIA test positive for the anti-bodies from this disease.

[link to schizophreniabulletin.oxfordjournals.org]






So I'm betting that it will turn out to be some "harmless disease" that causes this...it might even be the same disease.
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Autism is caused by mycoplasma in the vaccines.

But GLPers say vinyl floors cause autism. No wonder I keep coming back here.


whatever
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Autism is caused by mycoplasma in the vaccines.

But GLPers say vinyl floors cause autism. No wonder I keep coming back here.


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Actually a professor of environmental medicine at University of Rochester and a co-author of the study found a link between vinyl floors & autism
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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Just to play devil's advocate here, the Amish do MANY THINGS differently than mainstream Americans.

To make such a blanket statement that lack of vaccinations is the reason for their extremely low rate of autism, is simply being naive.
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TB Polio Diptheria Mumps Measels Meningitis are serious TB or Polio Diptheria or meningitis will Kill or seriously empair or cripple for life..so what is the answere .
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Autism is caused by vaccines.

There must be a lot of shills on big pharma's pay roll on GLP.
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Thanks for your response..I'm not really up on all the data,just throwing diff. things around

You might find this interesting and it does play into the Amish angle,since they don't generally have have Vinyl Flooring in their homes.



Scientists Find 'Baffling' Link between Autism and Vinyl Flooring

Children who live in homes with vinyl floors, which can emit chemicals called phthalates, are more likely to have autism, according to research by Swedish and U.S. scientists published Monday

[link to www.scientificamerican.com]

Could it be a combo of things?
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Interesting about the vinyl floors. The first case of autism in the US was diagnosed in 1931 if I remember correctly that was the same year thimerasol was first used in vaccines.
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Thread: * * * Dr. Rebecca Carley said on today's show that YOU are in great danger!

proof that the vaccine thing you feared most, is true.
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Chronic Mycoplasmal Infections in Autism
Written by Marlana Lytehaause
Thursday, 12 October 2006
Chronic Mycoplasmal Infections in Autism Patients

Garth L. Nicolson,1 PhD, Marwan Y. Nasralla,2 PhD, Paul Berns,1 MD
and Jeorg Haier,3 MD, PhD

1The Institute for Molecular Medicine, Huntington Beach, California, USA,,
2International Molecular Diagnostics, Inc., Huntington Beach, California, USA,
3Department of Internal Medicine, and
3Department of Surgery, Wilhelm-University, Munster, Germany
Correspondence: Prof. Garth L. Nicolson, Office of the President, The Institute for Molecular Medicine, 15162 Triton Lane, Huntington Beach, California 92649. Tel: 714-903-2900; Fax: 714-379-2082; Email: [email protected]; Website: www.immed.org

Abstract
A majority of Autism patients have systemic bacterial, viral and fungal infections that may play an important part in their illnesses. We found that immediate family members of veterans diagnosed with Gulf War Illnesses (GWI) often complain of fatiguing illnesses, and upon analysis they report similar signs and symptoms as their veteran family members, except that their children are often diagnosed with Autism. Since a relatively common finding in GWI patients is a bacterial infection due to Mycoplasma fermentans, we examined military families (149 patients: 42 veterans, 40 spouses, 32 other relatives and 35 children with at least one family complaint of illness) selected from a group of 110 veterans with GWI who tested positive (~42%) for mycoplasmal infections. Consistent with previous results, over 80% of GWI patients who were positive for blood mycoplasmal infections had only one Mycoplasma species, M. fermentans. In healthy control subjects the incidence of mycoplasmal nfection was ~8.5% and none were found to have multiple mycoplasmal species (P<0.001). In 107 family members of mycoplasma-positive GWI patients there were 57 patients (53%) that had essentially the same signs and symptoms as the veterans and were diagnosed with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS/ME) and/or Fibromyalgia Syndrome. The majority of children (n=35) in this group were diagnosed with autism. Most of these CFS or Autism patients also had mycoplasmal infections compared to the few non-symptomatic family members (P<0.001), and the most common species found was M. fermentans. In contrast, in the few non-symptomatic family members that tested mycoplasma-positive, the Mycoplasma species were usually different from the species found in the GWI patients. The results suggest that a subset of GWI patients have mycoplasmal infections, and these infections can be transmitted to immediate family members who subsequently display similar signs and symptoms, except for theirchildren who are often diagnosed with Autism. In a separate study in Central California we examined autism patients and also found a high incidence of mycoplasmal infections, but in contrast to the military families a variety of Mycoplasma species were detected in Autism patients.
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Systemic Bacterial viral fungal infections would surely render one frail so without even gulf war .others in america still have the same problems .lifestyles do contribute to chronic illness .. high risk sex still the Transfering fluids during sex does transfer virus bacterial and fungal illness . kids in school are told do not transfer fluids during sex. it causes vague or real serious costly medical illness . at the end of the day each person is still responsable for thier own health ..to be able to earn a living one must stay desease free. ..





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