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NASA ...Show Me The Lunar Rover Tracks !!!

 
The Guy

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For you. (Yes I know you are not going to see nothing wrong, so consider it for your subconscient and in some years perhaps your conscience can start to wonder)


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 725590


I'm guessing you don't think the LEM's movements looked natural?
It's good to be open-minded, just don't let your brain fall out.
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Here's a search challenge for the moon hoaxtards, find any reference to the moon landings being hoaxed which predates the release of the movie Capricorn 1.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 728375

Here you go. There are a lot of interesting references in this article, including an excellent one from President Clinton:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Norman Mailer in 1969 wrote "The event (Apollo 11 Moonwalk) was so removed, however, so unreal, that no objective correlative existed to prove it had not been an event staged in a television studio—the greatest con of the century—and indeed a good mind, product of the iniquities, treacheries, gold, passions, invention, deception, and rich worldly stink of the Renaissance could hardly deny that the event if bogus was as great a creation in mass hoodwinking, deception, and legerdemain as the true ascent was in discipline and technology. Indeed, conceive of the genius of such a conspiracy. It would take criminals and confidence men mightier, more trustworthy and more resourceful than anything in this century or the ones before."
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In 1971, there was a brief sequence in the James Bond movie Diamonds Are Forever, in which the action takes place in a Moon setting where astronauts were being trained.[1] Agent 007 steals what appears to be a Moon buggy from the model set, and drives it off to escape from an enemy compound. This scene may have helped to spread the idea of the Moon landings being a hoax.[2], p. 62
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Here's a search challenge for the moon hoaxtards, find any reference to the moon landings being hoaxed which predates the release of the movie Capricorn 1.
Here you go. There are a lot of interesting references in this article, including an excellent one from President Clinton:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Norman Mailer in 1969 wrote "The event (Apollo 11 Moonwalk) was so removed, however, so unreal, that no objective correlative existed to prove it had not been an event staged in a television studio—the greatest con of the century—and indeed a good mind, product of the iniquities, treacheries, gold, passions, invention, deception, and rich worldly stink of the Renaissance could hardly deny that the event if bogus was as great a creation in mass hoodwinking, deception, and legerdemain as the true ascent was in discipline and technology. Indeed, conceive of the genius of such a conspiracy. It would take criminals and confidence men mightier, more trustworthy and more resourceful than anything in this century or the ones before."
...
In 1971, there was a brief sequence in the James Bond movie Diamonds Are Forever, in which the action takes place in a Moon setting where astronauts were being trained.[1] Agent 007 steals what appears to be a Moon buggy from the model set, and drives it off to escape from an enemy compound. This scene may have helped to spread the idea of the Moon landings being a hoax.[2], p. 62
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 Quoting: Skeptic the First 725789


Thanks for that :)... I knew it would not be to difficult to find people talking about it being a hoax befor Cap One ....So that kills his argument stone dead :)
I had to remove my Signature As it seems to have confused some people....It Don't take much for that round here ..
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The OP's question still remains unanswered.
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Seems we do have a bit of a smoking gun after all :)
I had to remove my Signature As it seems to have confused some people....It Don't take much for that round here ..
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its a silly demand.

If you believe its all faked and it is, then it would be very easy for them to fake photos with rover tracks. You would see the photos and just say they are faked

However if you think its all fake but its not, then when they finnaly do take such photos you will just look a them and declare them fakes.

They can't win.
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Norman Mailer in 1969 wrote "The event (Apollo 11 Moonwalk) was so removed, however, so unreal, that no objective correlative existed to prove it had not been an event staged in a television studio—the greatest con of the century—and indeed a good mind, product of the iniquities, treacheries, gold, passions, invention, deception, and rich worldly stink of the Renaissance could hardly deny that the event if bogus was as great a creation in mass hoodwinking, deception, and legerdemain as the true ascent was in discipline and technology. Indeed, conceive of the genius of such a conspiracy. It would take criminals and confidence men mightier, more trustworthy and more resourceful than anything in this century or the ones before."

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 Quoting: Skeptic the First 725789



Why do you focus on the first part of the Mailer quote but ignore the last part?

Mailer outright says that a deception would be as difficult as actually landing. And then he goes on to imply that the skill necessary to carry off such a deception did not exist.
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Sorry, but the wind on the moon has blown them all away.
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What is that sound I here?

Is it the shifting of goal posts?
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MHBs always ask for evidence they think doesn't exists.
It quite often back-fires upon them.

Be patient.
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Here you go, rover tracks:

[link to planetary.org]
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We all seen the footprints ....oO..... Anyone got any High-Res ... pic's of the Rover tracks ?.... If not ..why not ?
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There was NO rover on the first missions.
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its a silly demand.

If you believe its all faked and it is, then it would be very easy for them to fake photos with rover tracks. You would see the photos and just say they are faked
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 704903

No it is not a silly demand, if NASA releases photos showing the supposed rover tracks of Apollo 15,16,17. then other nations moon orbiting satellites would be looking for those same rover tracks that NASA faked and released as genuine, and those other nations would find nothing.

Also remember with Apollo 14, the two astronauts pulled around the cart that carried their tools, it left deep impressions in the soil. So where is the evidence of those deep tracks in the supposed Apollo 14 photo NASA has released? they are not showing at all.
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We all seen the footprints ....oO..... Anyone got any High-Res ... pic's of the Rover tracks ?.... If not ..why not ?

There was NO rover on the first missions.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 729047


Here's the Apollo 16 LROC picture: [link to planetary.org]

See the straight lines? ROVER TRACKS!!!
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its a silly demand.

If you believe its all faked and it is, then it would be very easy for them to fake photos with rover tracks. You would see the photos and just say they are faked

No it is not a silly demand, if NASA releases photos showing the supposed rover tracks of Apollo 15,16,17. then other nations moon orbiting satellites would be looking for those same rover tracks that NASA faked and released as genuine, and those other nations would find nothing.

Also remember with Apollo 14, the two astronauts pulled around the cart that carried their tools, it left deep impressions in the soil. So where is the evidence of those deep tracks in the supposed Apollo 14 photo NASA has released? they are not showing at all.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 439828


Can you see the cart tracks on this Apollo 14 picture?

[link to lroc.sese.asu.edu]
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check out the rotation on the vid from 0:19 to 0:22. It comes to an ubrupt stop. No slowing down nothing. The laws of physics are overwhelmed once again. NASA is amazing....
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Can you see the cart tracks on this Apollo 14 picture?

[link to lroc.sese.asu.edu]
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I would be interested in seeing other nations photographs of this exact coordinated location to see what their photos show.
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I would be interested in seeing other nations photographs of this exact coordinated location to see what their photos show.
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Why?

Didn't the rest of the world already play along by not blowing the whistle in 1969? By not saying anything about the Deadly Radiation today? By claiming (in Japan's case) that they too saw marks left by an Apollo landing? Why would this suddenly change, and photographs from a probe sent up by the EU suddenly be above suspicion?
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lol.
Let me guess, a half assed search turned up no shots of the tracks so OP thinks he's found the smoking gun.
Rushing over to glp all breathless and excited...

And shot down within 2 replies.

Here's a search challenge for the moon hoaxtards, find any reference to the moon landings being hoaxed which predates the release of the movie Capricorn 1. tounge
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 728375


Show me one that predates Bambi. nutkick
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The Van Allen radiation belt prevented us from going to the moon with the shuttle. The elite families do have access to advanced technologies provided by the fallen angels, but Nasa's claim is b.s.
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Can you see the cart tracks on this Apollo 14 picture?

[link to lroc.sese.asu.edu]

I would be interested in seeing other nations photographs of this exact coordinated location to see what their photos show.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 439828

Apollo 14 landing
[link to www.youtube.com]

The above Apollo 14 NASA file video of the supposed landing on the moon. If you study this video carefully, it is very clear that models are being use to fake this landing, particularly just before and after it touches down. Also the crater's locations don't match the photo.

Moon Landing Hoax Apollo 14 : Astronaut Says it is All a Simulation & Joke About Wire Men
[link to www.youtube.com]

Moon Landing Hoax Apollo 14 : Stagehands Lift The Ceiling Cable For The Wheels on The Light-Rail Tracks
[link to www.youtube.com]

Moon Landing Hoax Apollo 14 : Nevada Test Site/The Fake Moon Bay Shakes As Troopers Train With Explosives
[link to www.youtube.com]

Moon Landing Hoax Apollo 14 : Stagehand Reprimands An Astronaut For Blowing on A Work Tool To Clean it
[link to www.youtube.com]

Moon Landing Hoax Apollo 14 : Astronauts Reach End of The Moon Bay Where The Set-Dressing With Rocks Finishes
[link to www.youtube.com]

Moon Landing Hoax : Apollo 14 Sees a Budweiser Truck- Apollo 17 Astronaut says "Beer Tonight?"
[link to www.youtube.com]
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If that shadow is correct .. that object is about 80 feet high lol
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Oh look. Yet another person that doesn't understand how shadows change with sun angles.
Just when you think batshit crazy can't get any crazier Emily
goes and ups the ante.
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Moon Landing Hoax Apollo 14 : Stagehand Reprimands An Astronaut For Blowing on A Work Tool To Clean it
[link to www.youtube.com]
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I watched this video. I think it's fair to say, WTF?
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We need a term for audio paradoila.


I've addressed this guy's mishearings several times. I made the effort of tracking down alternate versions of the audio and listening to them carefully, made my own transcripts, compared them.

I found, interestingly enough, that his approximations do not even match in cadence and contour. He has multiple syllables appearing over a single syllable in the audio. He also has gross vowel changes; not mistaken schwa sounds, but mistaking a short "i" for a long "o."

And the dialog he pulls up makes no sense; it describes nothing like any soundstage I have ever encountered, technology that has no counterpart in the industry, and processes that even Ed Wood would call backwards and stupid (if not completely physically unworkable).


But, nice lad he is, he ignores everything I say and re-posts as if no-one has ever challenged him.
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We need a term for audio paradoila.
 Quoting: nomuse (NLI) 729084

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Mailer outright says that a deception would be as difficult as actually landing. And then he goes on to imply that the skill necessary to carry off such a deception did not exist.
 Quoting: nomuse (NLI) 719679

You are apparently unable to read between the lines of someone who is trying to give an opinion without ruining his career.
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We need a term for audio pareidolia.
 Quoting: nomuse (NLI) 729084

Audio pareidolia sounds like a perfectly cromulent term to me.


You are apparently unable to read between the lines of someone who is trying to give an opinion without ruining his career.
 Quoting: Skeptic the First 725789

Oh, fuck off!

You've been "debating" the Moon Hoax for months now, and all you ever come up with is brain dead innuendo.

By your "standards" I could proof that Bielefeld doesn't exist.

1. Do you know anybody from Bielefeld?
2. Have you ever been to Bielefeld?
3. Do you know anybody who has ever been to Bielefeld?

Everybody who says yes to any of these questions must be part of the Bielefeld Conspiracy!!!


See?

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As if Mailer ever gave a shit about his reputation.
He was a real subversive, not a fake one like you.
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You've been "debating" the Moon Hoax for months now, and all you ever come up with is brain dead innuendo.
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

Wrong. I have found plenty of "probable cause," more than sufficient to begin a grand jury investigation into potentially the Fraud of the Century. (If we could find a prosecutor politically independent enough to take on the task, which is highly unlikely.) This is as much as anyone can expect without the full resources of the FBI and the ability to compel witnesses to testify under oath and cross-examination.

Beyond that, the most important point is that:

1) The "moon landings" have no independent reproducibility, and so are scientifically meaningless. They fall in the same category as some of the more outrageous but irreproducible claims of Nikola Tesla.

2) The "moon landings" have no independent confirmation, and so are historically dubious, or in common parlance, legend--similar to the legendary 6th-century discovery of America by St. Brendan the Navigator and his crew of altarboys.
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For you. (Yes I know you are not going to see nothing wrong, so consider it for your subconscient and in some years perhaps your conscience can start to wonder)




I'm guessing you don't think the LEM's movements looked natural?
 Quoting: The Guy


I have seen some rendezvous in my life, real ones not this shit.
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Here's a search challenge for the moon hoaxtards, find any reference to the moon landings being hoaxed which predates the release of the movie Capricorn 1.
Here you go. There are a lot of interesting references in this article, including an excellent one from President Clinton:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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 Quoting: Skeptic the First 725789


President Clinton in his 2004 autobiography, My Life, states (on page 156): "Just a month before, Apollo 11 astronauts Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong had left their colleague, Michael Collins, aboard spaceship Columbia and walked on the Moon, beating by five months President Kennedy's goal of putting a man on the Moon before the decade was out. The old carpenter asked me if I really believed it happened. I said sure, I saw it on television. He disagreed; he said that he didn't believe it for a minute, that 'them television fellers' could make things look real that weren't. Back then, I thought he was a crank. During my eight years in Washington, I saw some things on TV that made me wonder if he wasn't ahead of his time."
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its a silly demand.

If you believe its all faked and it is, then it would be very easy for them to fake photos with rover tracks. You would see the photos and just say they are faked
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 704903


Well, keep Nasa working. We pay a enormous amount of money. Do you want they don't work? They are just deciding these years their next lifes. I can see many many many octopus ones.
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You've been "debating" the Moon Hoax for months now, and all you ever come up with is brain dead innuendo.

Wrong. I have found plenty of "probable cause," more than sufficient to begin a grand jury investigation into potentially the Fraud of the Century. (If we could find a prosecutor politically independent enough to take on the task, which is highly unlikely.) This is as much as anyone can expect without the full resources of the FBI and the ability to compel witnesses to testify under oath and cross-examination.

Beyond that, the most important point is that:

1) The "moon landings" have no independent reproducibility, and so are scientifically meaningless. They fall in the same category as some of the more outrageous but irreproducible claims of Nikola Tesla.

2) The "moon landings" have no independent confirmation, and so are historically dubious, or in common parlance, legend--similar to the legendary 6th-century discovery of America by St. Brendan the Navigator and his crew of altarboys.
 Quoting: Skeptic the First 725789

Blah, blah, blah...

Opinions are like assholes.
Everybody has one.

What matters is WHAT CAN YOU PROOF?

You ain't got shit.
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Last Edited by Halcyon Dayz, FCD on 07/19/2009 10:21 AM
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