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Are the 144,000 Sealed Servants "Jewish"?

 
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The question regarding the 144k requires a little background. Specifically on the breach that occurred in the Old Testament between two Houses of the Nation of Israel. It is the foundation of everything that is happening in the world today between Islam, Christianity, and Jews and plays a major role in God´s Master Plan... Here goes:

The term "Jewish" refers to only 3 of the 12 tribes of Israel (Judah, Benjamin, and Levi). The rest of Israel are called the "Sons of Israel". The Nation of Israel was split into two camps called "Houses" for their protection against their enemies; The "House of Israel" was 9 tribes that followed Ephraim who received the Birthright Blessing from Jacob (Israel). The "House of Judah" was 3 tribes that followed Judah who received the Scepter Blessing from Jacob (Israel).

Note: The "Birthright Blessing" was the blessing to become a multitude of many great nations.

The "Scepter Blessing" was the blessing of leadership or "truth/identity".

The House of Israel (Ephraim) rebelled against the House of Judah and lost their identity over time and dispersed around the world. Jesus came "to the lost sheep" or to repair the breach. The "Great Commission" was given to preach the gospel to every nation to call home the lost sheep or the Sons of Israel or rather the House of Israel. That is why God blinded the eyes of the "Jews" or the House of Judah for a time so that He could reach out to the lost House of Israel and repair the breach in the last days. All this is clearly laid out in the Bible and spoken of by the prophets to occur during our lifetime. It is currently underway around the world.

The Bible specifically states that the 144,000 Sealed Servants are composed of 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel. So the answer to your question is no, the 144,000 are not "Jewish", only 36,000 of them are Jewish and they work to repair the breach on the side of the House of Judah. The rest come from nations around the world as God calls them, seals them, and uses them to unite the Nation of Israel on the side of the House of Israel. This "Reunification of Israel" must and is taking place in the last days as prophesied to offer unto God the unblemished "Bride of Christ".

The remnant that worships in "Truth (Scepter) and in Spirit (Birthright)". Once the Nation of Israel is reunited, it will stand on the mount in Jerusalem and Christ will return for her, His bride. You see, this is a Master Plan that comes down to end times involving Jews (House of Judah), and Christians (House of Israel).

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Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:11 AM
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the 144,000 are "servants" of God, they are not the bride...


Revelation 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. 4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel


"new Jerusalem" is the bride...

Revelation 21:2 - And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Revelation 21: 9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb´s wife. 10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

Revelation 22:17 - And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
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12/08/2005 10:11 AM
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Or maybe the bride is an actual woman. Nah, that can´t be it.
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GraftedPromise
12/08/2005 10:11 AM
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Sealed are 12,000 from TRIBES:
Judah
Rueben
Gad
Asher
Naphtali
Manassah
Simeon
Levi
Issachar
Zebulun
Joseph
Benjamin
stgeorge
12/08/2005 10:11 AM
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Yes,excellent question.I will ask 2IC.

"Does that mean they all lived in the Holy Land?Reincarnation?"
"Not neccessarilly."
"Does it mean they are all Jews?"
"Not really."
"It is not skin pigment.All whites?"
"Not really."
"But genetics?"
"Cranial developement."
"Like the Visitors! Force evolving or improving the model!"
"Exactly.And the faculties."
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12/08/2005 10:11 AM
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Are the 144,000 Sealed Servants "Jewish"?


NO! The 144,00 are the true remnant of god, Israel! is thier name. Truely his that know his name and his law, If u r one u will know! trust me!
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12/08/2005 10:11 AM
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GraftedPromise,

I believe your listing of the 12 tribes of Israel is incorrect. Manassah was not of the original 12, but the tribe of Dan was. Epraim and Manassah wer the sons of Joseph (if I am not mistaken).

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12/08/2005 10:11 AM
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How can the two houses possibly reunite before Messiah comes to identify who the lost tribes are? The only way that works is for them to be regathered to Israel first after Messiah returns.

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12/08/2005 10:11 AM
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OP, this is a new insight I have not seen before. Thanks for sharing.
Donna
12/08/2005 10:11 AM
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Thanks OP...I had always wondered about that because Joseph Good, a Jewish Messianic Preacher said they had to reunite before the "rapture" could take place.

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12/08/2005 10:11 AM
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OP, do you mean by reuniting, do you mean that spiritually? As in we will all believe that Yaeshua came to teach us the way to eternal life?

Do you think Ephraim (Spirit) ones will move to the Jewish side in their beliefs? I believe that is happening now. I am one that is changing to follow Jesus and his commandments.
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12/08/2005 10:11 AM
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Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Revelation 22:14
Donna
12/08/2005 10:11 AM
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OP, is the fact that the Jews brought to light that original manuscript of Matt 6:19 showed that the Council of Nicea added, Go Ye and baptise in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost have anything to do with reuniting them?

The doctrine of the trinity is probably what really separates Ephraim (christians) from Judah, as the original text refutes the trinity, thereby refuting that Jesus is God.

Jesus became the Son of God at his baptism, and that means he is not God, but God´s son.

They also took out, This day I have begotten thee". whch also shows that Jesus was not of a virgin birth, and not God as Ephraim (christians) believe.
144,000 or 4400
12/08/2005 10:11 AM
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I thought it was actually ´4400´ that were chosen, taken by the higher powers, and returned to earth in a mass dropping to prepare and educate the masses for the end of the world. At least thats what I saw in the tv show.
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Donna
12/08/2005 10:11 AM
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EATT....God is putting the truth in Ephraims heart. They don´t need to know in the way you´re thinking.

I can see it happening...right here on GLP. Look at all of the people trying to point out the errors in the bible. They are trying to get Ephraim (christians) to wake up and see how they have been deceived.. The tribe of Judah is the tribe that Jesus is from...so I´m sure it is Ephraim that has to do the most changing of their doctrinal position.

If Christians would wake up and realize that Jesus was a prophet, and start observing the feast days and commandmants, we would be very close to being united. Judah would have to accept that Jaeshuah became the Son of God at his baptism.



I may be on the wrong track, but I feel strongly about this.
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12/08/2005 10:11 AM
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3742...No, the Christians are the house of Israel..Ephraim.
Donna
12/08/2005 10:11 AM
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The only way that works is for them to be regathered to Israel first after Messiah returns.>>

EATT, that is probably where the "two shall be taken, and two shall remain" They will be taken to to Israel at that time, just before or as Jesus comes, or where the Angel gathers them up.
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>>>Specifically on the breach that occurred in the Old Testament between two Houses of the Nation of Israel>>>

OP, what I said can´t be all of it, if it happened in the OT, and jesus came to heal the breach...but it must be part of it???

Please tell us more. I want to know so much!
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OP, it doesn´t have anything to do with Ephraim and Manassah receiveing the birthright does it? I´m wondering that because they were Josephs children and Jacob took them for his own. They were the first two sons that Joseph had in Egypt.

I also think the firstborn of Jacob forfieted his right to the birthright because he had intimate relations with his step mom...if I remember right. or something like that.
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Israel in the Latter Days


The United States of America -- Ephraim or Manasseh?



What happened to the “Lost Ten Tribes” of Israel? Where did they

go? Were they prophesied to be GREAT in the earth – a powerful

military power? Is the United States the modern counterpart of the

tribe of Ephraim – or Manasseh? How does the national character

of these nations answer this question? What about the emblems

and symbols of heraldry? Let’s take another look at this intriguing

question and examine the evidence objectively. Here is new insight

and convincing evidence that the USA is none other than Ephraim,

the leading “birthright” tribe of ancient Israel, and what this means

for our future, in this age and in the world to come!



William F. Dankenbring

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anyone read this?


[link to www.triumphpro.com]
EscapeAll TheseThings
12/08/2005 10:11 AM
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Yes I read it years ago. I think Dankenbring has it right. Most have it backwards, that America is Manasseh. But Rev 3:17=Hos 12:8

Revelation 3:17 (HCSB)
17 Because you say, ‘I’m rich; I have become wealthy, and need nothing,’ and you don’t know that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind, and naked, [Laodicea Assembly, last prophetic "church age" at the end of the age, clearly fits american christians general lukewarm attitudes towards righteousness]

Hosea 12:8 (HCSB)
8 But Ephraim says: “How rich I have become; I made it all myself. In all my earnings, no one can find any crime in me that I can be punished for!”

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Noe~Lot
12/08/2005 10:11 AM
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Jewish would be Judah (though several tribes are presently there and/or within Judaism), these are they which of all the whole earth are physically preserved safe across the end of the world scenario PROVING the literal reliability of The Words of Him to Save to the uttermost those who come to it.
Wales Scotland England is Manasseh, and America in the Revealing ´Joseph´ is yes assuredly Ephraim.
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While the storm clouds gather far across the sea,
Let us swear allegiance to a land that´s free,
Let us all be grateful for a land so fair,
As we raise our voices in a solemn prayer. "

God Bless America,
Land that I love.
Stand beside her, and guide her
Thru the night with a light from above.
From the mountains, to the prairies,
To the oceans, white with foam
God bless America, My home sweet home.
Donna
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1 Kings 11:35

This seems to be where the split happened in Israel, but I must be missing something. The ten tribes must have lost their way in righteousness if Jesus came to the lost sheep of Israel...(present day Christians in America, Ephraim)

-edit- On second thought, the lost sheep of Israel must have lost their way before Jesus came. (I don´t think I´m even close to discovering what the OP is trying to get across to us)

Soloman had many strnge wives, and built temples, to their gods. God took all but one kingdom away Solomans son Rehoboam and gave 10 tribes to Jeroboam.

Jeroboam and the 10 tribes came to Solomans son, Rehoboam and said if you make our yoke light we will serve thee, but Rehoboam said I will make it heavier, to the 10 tribes left. Rehoboam ruled over the tribes of Judah and Benjaman.

There was war between Jeroboam (Judah and Benjaman) and Rehoboam (ten tribes)all of their days.
Donna
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The tribes of the 144,000 that are sealed...

The tribe of Ephraim was not sealed.

the tribe of Manesseh was sealed in the place of Dan.


Ge 49:16 -Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel.

Could the reason Dan was not sealed be because he will judge?

Could it be that Ephraim (USA) is not sealed because they are Mystery Babylon and are destroyed before the sealing?
OR
Could Ephraim and Manesseh be included together since they were not the original 12 sons of Israel (Jacob)?
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The name is Joseph and the son there is Manasseh which displaces the real son of Jacob Dan as one of the 12, and yes Ephraim is not there named.
Remember that the Destruction is held back ´until the servants of our GOD are sealed in their foreheads´, and the number of them are 144 thousands.
These are those which come through physically across the counted days unto the great reign of Messiah, these show all others the literal power of the Word to Save.
The resurrection give these the audience.
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YES!
Donna
12/08/2005 10:11 AM
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Noe

Come to think of it, Ephraim and Manasseh were never tribes in the first place. Why didn´t the tribe of Dan get sealed? Because they will be judges?

And why did Manasseh get sealed and not Ephraim? Or are they included together, since they were both sons of Joseph?

AC 39 said YES, but what question were they answering?


In the Gospel of the Holy Twelve, it lists the tribes that Jesus sent the diciples to, to give the kingdom message.

There was no diciple was sent to the tribes of Judah, Levi,l which supports the OP statement that they were put on hold.

Why was a diciple sent to Manasseh, and not Ephraim, unless they lived together in the same area.

Zebulon was send two diciples...

The two diciples of the twelve that would have been sent to the tribes of Judah and Levi, went
to Ephraim and an extra one sent to Zabulon...could the tribe of Zabulon have been separated, and that is te send two diciples to that tribe?
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ever notice that the group in Revelation 7 is called "servants"?

Revelation 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. 4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

and then right after the listing of the 12 tribes, there is another group

Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

and this group is seen as being "before the throne of God" and serve in His temple

Revelation 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. 17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

and He (God) will "dwell among them"

then in Revelation 14 we see another group, and they are standing on mount Sion with the Lamb, and they are "before" the throne

Revelation 14

1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father´s name written in their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God

then in Revelation 15 John sees "another" sign

Revelation 15

1 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God. 2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God. 3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints. 4 Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest. 5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:


1 Samuel 16:16 - Let our lord now command thy servants, which are before thee, to seek out a man, who is a cunning player on an harp: and it shall come to pass, when the evil spirit from God is upon thee, that he shall play with his hand, and thou shalt be well.

1 Samuel 16:23 - And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him.

2 Chronicles 29:25 - And he set the Levites in the house of the LORD with cymbals, with psalteries, and with harps, according to the commandment of David, and of Gad the king´s seer, and Nathan the prophet: for so was the commandment of the LORD by his prophets.
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The jewish people had their chance. Now the tribes run through all the world. it will those who are chosen for something deep within.
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The doctrine of the trinity is probably what really separates Ephraim (christians) from Judah, as the original text refutes the trinity, thereby refuting that Jesus is God.

Jesus became the Son of God at his baptism, and that means he is not God, but God´s son

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read the thread "tired of other Gods"...I think it is explained from scripture that what you say here is wrong...jesus is god and there is a trinity