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Sunstein threatens to tweak libel laws for the Internet and make online writers, particularly bloggers, legally responsible for falsehoods and rumors

 
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Adding to animal rights and cost-benefit analysis is concern over Sunstein's positions on freedom of speech.
News of Sunstein's latest book, "On Rumors: How Falsehoods Spread, Why We Believe Them, What Can Be Done," lit up the blogosphere last week when The New York Post ran a column by a reviewer who received an advance copy.

Writer Kyle Smith suggested Sunstein threatens to tweak libel laws for the Internet and make online writers, particularly bloggers, legally responsible for falsehoods and rumors that get generated in cyberspace.

"Sunstein calls for a 'notice and take down' law that would require bloggers and service providers to 'take down falsehoods upon notice,' even those made by commenters -- but without apparent penalty,"
Smith wrote. "How long would it take for a court to sort out the truth? (Presidential daughters) Sasha and Malia will be running for president by then. Nobody will care anymore. But it will give politicians the ability to tie up their online critics in court."

Sunstein, a prolific writer who has penned 35 books since 1990, has plowed the issue of rumors and how they are spread, and leaves much of the policy debate in the air.

For instance, in a paper titled, "'She Said What?' 'He Did That?' Believing False Rumors," for Harvard Law School in November 2008, Sunstein wrote: "In discussions of possible restrictions on free speech, it is standard to speak of, and to deplore, the 'chilling effect' that is created by the prospect of civil or criminal sanctions."

"Libel law, for example, might chill speech about public figures and public issues, in a way that could damage democratic debate. And if there is a 'marketplace of ideas,' we should be especially concerned about the risk of chilling effect because it will undermine processes that will ultimately produce the truth," he wrote.

Sunstein, who once taught alongside Obama at the University of Chicago Law School
, did not return an interview request from FOXNews.com.
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Re: Sunstein threatens to tweak libel laws for the Internet and make online writers, particularly bloggers, legally responsible for falsehoods and rumors
This news should be of interest to all here. If the censorship police don't like who you are bashing or don't agree with your prediction then Trin would be forced to pull it or face legal ramification.
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Fuck em' Just put up a disclaimer...
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This news should be of interest to all here. If the censorship police don't like who you are bashing or don't agree with your prediction then Trin would be forced to pull it or face legal ramification.
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Oh, im convinced this is the future of america.

what better way to protect the parasites and corruptors , then to pass laws making it illegal to critisize them in public and on forums ?

YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE FUTURE.
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Re: Sunstein threatens to tweak libel laws for the Internet and make online writers, particularly bloggers, legally responsible for falsehoods and rumors
Obviously this is a bad idea, but one has to at least consider that we do have a big problem with people spitting shit on the internet that is simply not true.

And add to that a populace that makes decisions based of emotion and is generally unable to make rational decisions without some dogma attached.

We do have a problem, i just dont believe there is any real solution except for perhaps real education.

I double understand how board members would feel threatened by this, seeing how this board is a prime example of disinfo extremist propaganda.
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Obviously this is a bad idea, but one has to at least consider that we do have a big problem with people spitting shit on the internet that is simply not true.

And add to that a populace that makes decisions based of emotion and is generally unable to make rational decisions without some dogma attached.

We do have a problem, i just dont believe there is any real solution except for perhaps real education.

I double understand how board members would feel threatened by this, seeing how this board is a prime example of disinfo extremist propaganda.
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I have an idea


before we worry about the internet having wrong information being posted on chat forums, how about we pass laws making it illegal to spread lies and disinformation on

MAINSTREAM NEWS/ MEDIA OUTLETS ?

ya know, let use a lil sanity here ?
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Disclaimer?

What about official lies?

Are we not allowed to expose the false "facts" our Coverment uses to micro-manage our lives?

Are we not allowed to expose intentions to do harm, on the part of Officials and leaders?

Are we not allowed to wonder aloud, what this is coming to?

Officials are the LIARS! We the people are just trying to figure out what the fuck is true and what is not true.
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Re: Sunstein threatens to tweak libel laws for the Internet and make online writers, particularly bloggers, legally responsible for falsehoods and rumors
Obviously this is a bad idea, but one has to at least consider that we do have a big problem with people spitting shit on the internet that is simply not true.

And add to that a populace that makes decisions based of emotion and is generally unable to make rational decisions without some dogma attached.

We do have a problem, i just dont believe there is any real solution except for perhaps real education.

I double understand how board members would feel threatened by this, seeing how this board is a prime example of disinfo extremist propaganda.



I have an idea


before we worry about the internet having wrong information being posted on chat forums, how about we pass laws making it illegal to spread lies and disinformation on

MAINSTREAM NEWS/ MEDIA OUTLETS ?

ya know, let use a lil sanity here ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 731926



Lets talk about sanity, the reality is while the mainstream media does slant stores and use language to create a specific consensis very rarely could you prove that they were involved in obvious lies and disinfomation.

Key word here is sanity, sure from a extremist point of view every word out of their mouth is propaganda but that not really the case.

Also since extremist and wackos do not generally watch the mainstream media they are not effected, they are however effected by msg boards such as this one hyping up civil war etc....
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Sunstein is a Jew, correct?
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1735: John Peter Zenger, publisher of the NEW YORK WEEKLY JOURNAL, was put on trial for publishing articles using sarcasm, innuendo, and allegory to ridicule Governor William Cosby of New York. Cosby accused Zenger of seditious libel. The law of seditious libel held that the greater the truth, the greater the libel, meaning that if the articles were true, they would, of course, undermine the Governor's authority. Zenger was represented by the most prominent attorney in British America, Andrew Hamilton. Reasoning that his client should be acquitted because what he had published about the governor was, in fact, true, Hamilton convinced the jury to find Zenger not guilty. Later, "A Brief Narrative of the Case and Tryal of John Peter Zenger," written by Hamilton, was published anonymously in Zenger's paper. The Brief Narrative argued that newspapers should be free to criticize the government as long as what they wrote was true. The article helped shape the political culture that led to the Revolutionary War and the subsequent adoption of the Bill of Rights.

Comment: How wonderful they get their ideas from the worst of British precedent. At least the Jury system worked at that time, while it does not work too well in the present time.

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This news should be of interest to all here. If the censorship police don't like who you are bashing or don't agree with your prediction then Trin would be forced to pull it or face legal ramification.
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You're new here, right?
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Vote for any idiotic Demoncrapts ...

and you WILL REGRET IT !
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Vote for any idiotic Demoncrapts ...

and you WILL REGRET IT !
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We need to take back the house.

Enough is enough.

They have already brought enough bad ideas to the table.





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