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Anonymous Coward User ID: 732846 ![]() 07/26/2009 05:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Do you without a copy and paste? Quoting: Disinfo AgentYes, they introduce a viral analogue of some kind (dead viral material, a similar virus, etc.) to prod the immune system into producing antibodies that will be effective in fighting off whatever the target is. How dose one know what the target is when the target keeps changing "mutating"? |
Disinfo Agent User ID: 698702 ![]() 07/26/2009 05:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dude you are Disinfo Agent. If they were to use anything but a live or what they like to call partially live virus and actually use a dead virus the body would not react, no need, the virus is dead. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 735288The body does react, but less so. Booster shots are usually required to get a full immune response. The first polio vaccine was like this. (I did have to look this one up) |
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Disinfo Agent User ID: 698702 ![]() 07/26/2009 05:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How dose one know what the target is when the target keeps changing "mutating"? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 732846Well, the hope is that it doesn't mutate too much, so they have to keep vaccines up to date. When the target does mutate so that multiple strains are bouncing around, they have to compensate by trying to predict which strain is going to be most active at a particular time. That's how seasonal flu vaccines work. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 732846 ![]() 07/26/2009 05:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How dose one know what the target is when the target keeps changing "mutating"? Quoting: Disinfo AgentWell, the hope is that it doesn't mutate too much, so they have to keep vaccines up to date. When the target does mutate so that multiple strains are bouncing around, they have to compensate by trying to predict which strain is going to be most active at a particular time. That's how seasonal flu vaccines work. But seasonal flu vaccines don't work. Never have. Please explain. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 735310 ![]() 07/26/2009 05:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This could be the total conspiracy. Release a virus, make some noise about it, offer vaccination but at the same time lure the conspiracy sites into opposing it. Common sheeple will take the vaccine, conspiracists won't and they'll die. Easy way of getting rid of them, right? Quoting: 89446yes that would be the case if viruses existed. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 720041 ![]() 07/26/2009 05:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Makes no logical sense taking an untested poison shot for 100 bucks. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 735308The onset of mass suicide? Their way of taking advantage of the poor. A lot of college students donate eggs, sperm etc and sign up for "clinical" trials to make their way through as well. |
Disinfo Agent User ID: 698702 ![]() 07/26/2009 05:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But seasonal flu vaccines don't work. Never have. Please explain. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 732846Depends what you mean by "work." They do provide some protection, but not nearly as much as vaccines for less common diseases like hepatitis or smallpox. This is because there are many different strains of flu, they can't vaccinate for all of them at once, and they have to predict several months in advance which ones will be active. So there's a lot of error involved. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 732846 ![]() 07/26/2009 05:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But seasonal flu vaccines don't work. Never have. Please explain. Quoting: Disinfo AgentDepends what you mean by "work." They do provide some protection, but not nearly as much as vaccines for less common diseases like hepatitis or smallpox. This is because there are many different strains of flu, they can't vaccinate for all of them at once, and they have to predict several months in advance which ones will be active. So there's a lot of error involved. Too many errors involved. You must come up with a better explanation of what you are trying to convey. Please continue. |
Disinfo Agent User ID: 698702 ![]() 07/26/2009 05:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But seasonal flu vaccines don't work. Never have. Please explain. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 732846Depends what you mean by "work." They do provide some protection, but not nearly as much as vaccines for less common diseases like hepatitis or smallpox. This is because there are many different strains of flu, they can't vaccinate for all of them at once, and they have to predict several months in advance which ones will be active. So there's a lot of error involved. Too many errors involved. You must come up with a better explanation of what you are trying to convey. Please continue. I'm not really sure what else you're looking for. If you're interested in studies of seasonal flu vaccine efficacy you might try looking at some of the references in the Wikipedia article. [link to en.wikipedia.org] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 732846 ![]() 07/26/2009 06:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But seasonal flu vaccines don't work. Never have. Please explain. Quoting: Disinfo AgentDepends what you mean by "work." They do provide some protection, but not nearly as much as vaccines for less common diseases like hepatitis or smallpox. This is because there are many different strains of flu, they can't vaccinate for all of them at once, and they have to predict several months in advance which ones will be active. So there's a lot of error involved. Too many errors involved. You must come up with a better explanation of what you are trying to convey. Please continue. I'm not really sure what else you're looking for. If you're interested in studies of seasonal flu vaccine efficacy you might try looking at some of the references in the Wikipedia article. [link to en.wikipedia.org] Will you take the vaccine, if so why. |
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Disinfo Agent User ID: 698702 ![]() 07/26/2009 06:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Will you take the vaccine, if so why. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 732846I haven't really decided yet. If the tests indicate it's safe and effective then I probably will. Why? Mostly because I work in the social sciences so I generally hold independent peer reviewed studies in pretty high regard. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 732846 ![]() 07/26/2009 06:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Will you take the vaccine, if so why. Quoting: Disinfo AgentI haven't really decided yet. If the tests indicate it's safe and effective then I probably will. Why? Mostly because I work in the social sciences so I generally hold independent peer reviewed studies in pretty high regard. I understand. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 732846 ![]() 07/26/2009 06:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sad and very painful decisions ahead. Now is the time to choose. The line in the sand has been drawn. Which side do you stand on? The time has come. The facts have been presented. Not only on main stream tv but here and many other web sights. I wish you the best. Choose wisely. Eternity is a long time. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 716985 ![]() 07/26/2009 06:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Isnt this vaccine just a modified flu shot with the genetic material from swine flu? Quoting: HannibalTheCannibalIf it is, probably has the same saftey profile. How many people die of the flu shot? Yeah, same stuff plus adjudavant squalene, which has been implicated in gulf war syndrome. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 716985 ![]() 07/26/2009 06:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Will you take the vaccine, if so why. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 732846I haven't really decided yet. If the tests indicate it's safe and effective then I probably will. Why? Mostly because I work in the social sciences so I generally hold independent peer reviewed studies in pretty high regard. I understand. As a fellow social sciences doctoral level researcher I know what you mean. But I ask...how LONG do you want the safety study to last? Autoimmune diseases take years or decades to develop. |
Disinfo Agent User ID: 698702 ![]() 07/26/2009 06:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As a fellow social sciences doctoral level researcher I know what you mean. But I ask...how LONG do you want the safety study to last? Autoimmune diseases take years or decades to develop. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 716985Obviously the length of time it can last is constrained by the flu season. But the cases of Guillain-Barre precipitated by the 1976 vaccine appeared within 10 weeks of the vaccine being administered, which is why the vaccination program was cut short. It's a question of weighing potential future side effects against the danger of getting the flu, really. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 732846 ![]() 07/26/2009 07:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As a fellow social sciences doctoral level researcher I know what you mean. But I ask...how LONG do you want the safety study to last? Autoimmune diseases take years or decades to develop. Quoting: Disinfo AgentObviously the length of time it can last is constrained by the flu season. But the cases of Guillain-Barre precipitated by the 1976 vaccine appeared within 10 weeks of the vaccine being administered, which is why the vaccination program was cut short. It's a question of weighing potential future side effects against the danger of getting the flu, really. It's a question of weighing potential future side effects against the danger of getting the flu, really. Now it comes down to this question. Is it worth it? From what I have researched, the answer is take it at your own risk. |
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Disinfo Agent User ID: 698702 ![]() 07/26/2009 07:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now it comes down to this question. Is it worth it? From what I have researched, the answer is take it at your own risk. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 732846Yeah, that's always the question in medicine, really. It depends how bad the flu gets. Right now it's killing about one person out of every 200 who get it, which is pretty high considering how many people who are expected to get it. |