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What is the easiest way to check if a gold bar is actualy gold?

 
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What is the easiest way to check if a gold bar is actualy gold?
I need to check if a 900g gold bar is for real, i'll take it in to the jewlers, but is there another way? I am very suspicious of it, it looks like a paper weight becsaue it has felt on its underside. It has been represented as real.
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Re: What is the easiest way to check if a gold bar is actualy gold?
consider the source.
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rub it on your wife's face. if it leaves a black line then it is real.
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Re: What is the easiest way to check if a gold bar is actualy gold?
consider the source.
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good point
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07/28/2009 01:52 AM
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heres a clue - gold is the softest metal
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Bite it!
Hehehe.
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Re: What is the easiest way to check if a gold bar is actualy gold?
Find it's volume through displacement of water - weigh it calculate density!
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Re: What is the easiest way to check if a gold bar is actualy gold?
mmm, i did leave a little dent when i banged it...i can't make my mind up. The felt o nthe bottom? What other metal is heavy besides lead..? Or how could something be made heavy to feel like gold?
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Re: What is the easiest way to check if a gold bar is actualy gold?
Slam a cocked and locked .45 into the ear of the asshole trying to sell it to ya and ask him again.

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I need to check if a 900g gold bar is for real, i'll take it in to the jewlers, but is there another way? I am very suspicious of it, it looks like a paper weight becsaue it has felt on its underside. It has been represented as real.
 Quoting: Chunk


You look like an alchemist.
Did you make it yourself from a base metal?
If so, how?
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bee1

Call me suspicious if you will. But I can't help feeling that most people would not leave 900 gram gold bars lying around on their desks as paper weights.
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pour mercury on it!
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Re: What is the easiest way to check if a gold bar is actualy gold?
yeah well its in a draw, and was promised to someone if 'anything happened'

It doesent have a serial number on it, and it doesen't have an issuing company. He may have made the bar himself. The green felt on the bottom of it sucks though, who ever saw a godl bar with green felt on the bottom?
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Re: What is the easiest way to check if a gold bar is actualy gold?
Find it's volume through displacement of water - weigh it calculate density!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 578366

Correct answer. Basic physics.
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Re: What is the easiest way to check if a gold bar is actualy gold?
Find it's volume through displacement of water - weigh it calculate density!

Correct answer. Basic physics.
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im not sure that's easy..and besides, it weighs the right amount, ie 900 grams 32 odd ounces
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Re: What is the easiest way to check if a gold bar is actualy gold?
Find it's volume through displacement of water - weigh it calculate density!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 578366


This. Archimedes solved this problem 2200 years ago.

You're a fool if you're taking physical delivery of bullion in such quantities, though. The moment it leaves a certified vault, the value of gold plummets because - as you've discovered - it's hard to verify that it's still good. If you're buying gold, buy the title to gold in a vault somewhere - you'll have to pay fees for them to store it for you but compared to what you lose if you take the gold out it's worth it.

And if civilisation collapses to the point where such vaults become unreliable and your paper title to the gold there becomes worthless? Well, in that extreme case, you don't want gold anyway; you want guns and ammo.
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What other metal is heavy besides lead..? Or how could something be made heavy to feel like gold?
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Tungsten.

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Re: What is the easiest way to check if a gold bar is actualy gold?
Find it's volume through displacement of water - weigh it calculate density!


This. Archimedes solved this problem 2200 years ago.

You're a fool if you're taking physical delivery of bullion in such quantities, though. The moment it leaves a certified vault, the value of gold plummets because - as you've discovered - it's hard to verify that it's still good. If you're buying gold, buy the title to gold in a vault somewhere - you'll have to pay fees for them to store it for you but compared to what you lose if you take the gold out it's worth it.

And if civilisation collapses to the point where such vaults become unreliable and your paper title to the gold there becomes worthless? Well, in that extreme case, you don't want gold anyway; you want guns and ammo.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 660262

true words..but the man who had this bar was hiding his wealth, is a known liar, and may be playing a trick. On the other hand, he might not be ans i simply can't tell. I think I need it tested at a pawn shop or sommat.
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Re: What is the easiest way to check if a gold bar is actualy gold?
Find it's volume through displacement of water - weigh it calculate density!

Correct answer. Basic physics.

im not sure that's easy..and besides, it weighs the right amount, ie 900 grams 32 odd ounces
 Quoting: Chunk

Obviously the weight is going to be correct.

But what is it's volume.

You are incredibly naive and stupid if you don't do this. or take it to an expert.
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I think the jewelers used a drop hydrochloric acid or sulfuric acid. You can find out by doing your own research first.
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Re: What is the easiest way to check if a gold bar is actualy gold?
What other metal is heavy besides lead..? Or how could something be made heavy to feel like gold?


Tungsten.

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 660262

mmn i note it has the same density as gold
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Re: What is the easiest way to check if a gold bar is actualy gold?
I think an important thing to remember here is that it has no identifiable marks or serial #.

Even if it is real, its in a large quantity (too large to barter with for most things), and also, because it has no identifiable marks or serial number, no one is likely to want to trade for it. The banks wont buy it, and i think you would have to press pretty hard to get a pawn shop to buy it.

I would say fuck it, and use the money to buy gold maple leafs. That way there wont be any.....problems, for you.
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Re: What is the easiest way to check if a gold bar is actualy gold?
Find it's volume through displacement of water - weigh it calculate density!

Correct answer. Basic physics.

im not sure that's easy..and besides, it weighs the right amount, ie 900 grams 32 odd ounces

Obviously the weight is going to be correct.

But what is it's volume.

You are incredibly naive and stupid if you don't do this. or take it to an expert.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 736434

lol, i'll take the naive and stupid but not the incredibly! I understand the water displacement, i guess i dont know if it is the same size as an actual gold bar, if it is fake.
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I think an important thing to remember here is that it has no identifiable marks or serial #.

Even if it is real, its in a large quantity (too large to barter with for most things), and also, because it has no identifiable marks or serial number, no one is likely to want to trade for it. The banks wont buy it, and i think you would have to press pretty hard to get a pawn shop to buy it.

I would say fuck it, and use the money to buy gold maple leafs. That way there wont be any.....problems, for you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 717820

yeah it is very suspicious, but who knows.
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Find it's volume through displacement of water - weigh it calculate density!

Correct answer. Basic physics.

im not sure that's easy..and besides, it weighs the right amount, ie 900 grams 32 odd ounces

Obviously the weight is going to be correct.

But what is it's volume.

You are incredibly naive and stupid if you don't do this. or take it to an expert.

lol, i'll take the naive and stupid but not the incredibly! I understand the water displacement, i guess i dont know if it is the same size as an actual gold bar, if it is fake.
 Quoting: Chunk

Take it to an expert !

BTW, I wasn't trying to be insulting, I am really trying to help you.

Also, there's too many odd things about it, I think it almost has to be a fake.

I would RUN, not walk away from this.
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yeah it is very suspicious, but who knows.
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btw it would be 29 oz not 32 oz. Gold (or troy oz.) is a different weight than normal oz.

So, for an almost $28,000 investment........lets just say you wouldnt catch me spending that kind of dough on something so sketchy.....but hey, thats just me
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yeah it is very suspicious, but who knows.


btw it would be 29 oz not 32 oz. Gold (or troy oz.) is a different weight than normal oz.

So, for an almost $28,000 investment........lets just say you wouldnt catch me spending that kind of dough on something so sketchy.....but hey, thats just me
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 717820

okay i caculated 900/28.
I'm not buying it, it was left in a locked draw with the understandign that if something happened, it would be passed to someone as theirs. not me, but when i was shown it I got suspicious about its autheticity.
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yeah it is very suspicious, but who knows.


btw it would be 29 oz not 32 oz. Gold (or troy oz.) is a different weight than normal oz.

So, for an almost $28,000 investment........lets just say you wouldnt catch me spending that kind of dough on something so sketchy.....but hey, thats just me

okay i caculated 900/28.
I'm not buying it, it was left in a locked draw with the understandign that if something happened, it would be passed to someone as theirs. not me, but when i was shown it I got suspicious about its autheticity.
 Quoting: Chunk


Well, thats one hell of a gift if it is real.
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I need to check if a 900g gold bar is for real, i'll take it in to the jewlers, but is there another way? I am very suspicious of it, it looks like a paper weight becsaue it has felt on its underside. It has been represented as real.
 Quoting: Chunk



Water displacement.

Find out how much water pure gold displaces, and perform the test and do the math.

Don't they still teach that basic test in beginning science in public High Schools?
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mmm, i did leave a little dent when i banged it...i can't make my mind up. The felt o nthe bottom? What other metal is heavy besides lead..? Or how could something be made heavy to feel like gold?
 Quoting: Chunk


Despite what you my have heard or seen on TV, gold is close to twice the weight of lead.

Is the bar stamped with anything? If it is not, I would be very suspicious...
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OP is an idiot.


Whatever you have in your hands is clearly anything but gold.





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