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Pope labels democracy ´godless´

 
iVAN
03/01/2005 03:11 PM
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Pope labels democracy ´godless´
Pope labels democracy ´godless´
By Bruce Johnston in Rome
(Filed: 23/02/2005)

The Pope published a new book yesterday strongly attacking the "negative" society of the West, calling it a godless "anti-Gospel and new totalitarianism" masquerading as democracy.

Entitled Memory and Identity: Conversations Between Millenniums, John Paul II´s fifth book, printed first in Italian, blames the moral permisiveness of the West for undermining society with divorce, free love, abortion, euthanasia, and genetic manipulation.


Memory And Identity: the Pope´s fifth book
He also talks for the first time of the attempt on his life in 1981, describing his survival as an "act of divine intervention".

But its main focus is the risk democracies pose to the law of God. La Repubblica, the Italian daily which was shown advance excerpts, wrote yesterday: "The nihilism of the West is disturbing to the Pope. His claim is that democratic parliaments are the carriers."

Driven by "powerful economic forces," the Pope claims, the "anti-Gospel" is spreading the idea that "one must live life as if God does not exist".

By contrast, Eastern Europe, the Polish Pope said, had reached "a spiritual maturity for which certain important values are less devalued than in the West".

He adds: "The main threat which central Europe finds itself facing is that of falling without criticism under the influence of the negative culture so widespread in the West."


[link to www.news.telegraph.co.uk]
Dino1
12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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I don´t think the pope is attacking democracy, something the US is clearly not.

Can anyone really argue that he is wrong on this point?

Look at the greed in the US. We admire the people that make the most money and value money above all.

Even if one is an atheist the US is certainly heartless.
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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I know! Let´s bring the Inquisition back, shall we? I think the Pope should keep his nose out of matters that don´t concern him!
K
12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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Re: Pope labels democracy ´godless´
The Pope, like his ´Church´, is a total hypocrite.
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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Dino, I can´t disagree with you or the Pope on that subject.

As far as bringing back the inquisition it sounds as if someone is upset at what the Pope has pointed out.

His nose has nothing to do with his insight into the plight of American culture and society.
Dino1
12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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I am not saying anyone should follow or even like the pope.

I just think he made a very accurate comment about the lack of heart in Western society.
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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Capitalism is the driving force of this nation.

Democracy is the form of government we´ve chosen to apply.

Capitalism as it is applied now, is the abuse of democracy as our founding fathers saw it.
Dino1
12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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The US is a republic not a democracy. True democracy is impossible.
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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jesus looked down from the cross and said forgive them for the know not what they do. ( the crowd has been sucked in to execute him ). christ should not have let himself be tortured by a system of corruption and control. " f them for they know not what they do ". the crucifixions have never stopped. every judas once loved a jesus.
cantankerous
12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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Calm down people...iVan is just a commie prick troll.He´s an english man with a hard on for the U.S.lmaobeer2
Nutopian
12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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The bottom line is still very realistic. Just think for a while, people, that this book was written by a non-church thinker, without all religious connotations. Don´t shoot the messenger
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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When will people realise THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS DEMOCRACY!!!
Giving you a few SELECTED people to vote for is NOT DEMOCRACY.

It´s a myth!!
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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so how come a theocracy can also be a democracy?
Francis Scott Key
12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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God bless America.
Rex
12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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Looks like the Pope thinks we are the anti-Christ.
iVAN
12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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He is just attacking the Western "Democracy" I don´t agree with the majority of what he said but one does have to admit. Claming Democracy in the US is a joke.
Apollo 11
12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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Rarely one to agree with the Pope; but he is right on this one. Western society is a sewer with satanists for the head sewer rats.
iVAN
12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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Actually the only thing i consider him right on is his view of Western totalitarianism..
Lester
12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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...and now he has been "silenced"; told not to talk.

God will silence all the false teachers and false prophets who would have been better off never to have been born.

500 years ago, roman catholicism was labeled "Godless". The Father Judged it so.

Rotten anti-Christ spirit on the whole lot of deniers that subvert God´s Word and Witness to mankind.
impetigo
12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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First you have to create a problem so you can be the solution....Let me guess, he wants the Church to straighten the US out.

Isn´t catholicism the official religion of the european union?

Knock knock...prophecy is at your door.5a
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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´´Isn´t catholicism the official religion of the european union?´´

I hope you´re right there because that would preclude the UK from joining as OUR official religion is the Church of England!



5a



You´re probably wrong though!


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Old-fashioned Catholic
12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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It´s unfortunate that I even have to explain that the Pope certainly does not disapprove of democracy per se. Rather, he is pointing out what ought to obvious to everyone: That democracy is certainly no guarantee of a just, virtuous government.

In the past, it was always easy, too easy, to blame the crimes of government on powerful evil individuals like Hitler or Genghis Khan. It was all too easy to claim that, if only everyone had a democracy, all the world´s ills would cease. That view is naive. The Pope is pointing out that democratically elected parliaments are just as capable of monstrous, massive crimes as other forms of government. The Pope´s obvious example is abortion, the mass murder of unborn children, the #1 crime of our age.
iVAN
12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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cantankerous
User ID: 9544

Well, Hello to you too Emperor Kenton´s ID.
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I agree 572... That is what he is saying but he is also slamming the new age of Democracy in America. You have to admit it has taken a dive.
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12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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Pope talks about Eastern Europians have kept their spiritual values....
Do you remember the prophecies (infact many of them) point to Russia and eastern Eurpoe as being the cradle of the new spiritual understandings. It has been said that "it will be out of Russia that the new wave of spiritual fire will come out and consume the world.
jomama
12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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Pope doesn´t like competition obviously.

The worshippers of democrazy are just
as whacko as the worshippers of the other
non-existent god.
iVAN
12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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There is a lot of anti Jewish sentiment in Russia and a heavy religious minorities when it comes to it all.. So that might not be the best thing in the world as far as Russia and the rest of the world goes.

We do have some beautiful historical churches though.
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12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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By contrast, Eastern Europe, the Polish Pope said, had reached "a spiritual maturity for which certain important values are less devalued than in the West".

He adds: "The main threat which central Europe finds itself facing is that of falling without criticism under the influence of the negative culture so widespread in the West."





The highest level of abortion is in the same town/area as the Vatican. No Joke!
Old-fashioned Catholic
12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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8:20, I think you´re referring to a reported heavenly revelation to St. Faustina:

"From Poland will come the spark which will unite the whole world and prepare it for My final Coming."

1) This quote dates from the 1930s, when the Polish republic included parts of Belarus, Ukraine (including Lviw/Lwow), and even Lithuania (including Vilnius/Wilno). So conceivably, the promised spark could come from Lviw in Ukraine or Vilnius in Lithuania.

2) The promised spark could be either good or bad. "Preparation" for the Lord´s final Coming could be either the proclamation of the Gospel throughout the whole world (good), or a world takeover by the Antichrist (bad).
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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Re: Pope labels democracy ´godless´
But it´s not ´godless´ to fuck the little alter boys and threaten them if they say anything.
Dr Dre
12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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The Pope does not like Humanism. Loss of controll for the Religious heirarchy be it of any relgion.





GLP