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The Origin of The Lucifer Story

 
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lucifer and satan are two different things....

in esoteric circles lucifer is known as the light bearer....

he who brings the light....

satan on the other hand is the deceiver....

he who brings deception....
Beyond one's own mind there is no dazzling light to come shining in from outside to wake one up. If one recognizes one's own intrinsic State as pure from the beginning and only temporarily obscured by impurities, and if one maintains the presence of this recognition without becoming distracted, then all the impurities dissolve. This is the essence of the Path-namkhai norbu.

Why is there a legend about the descent of Christ into hell? The Teacher addressed the lower strata of the astral world, saying: �Why, by cherishing earthly thoughts, bind oneself eternally to Earth?� And many revolted in spirit and rose higher.
Thread: I shot video of the earth from my spacecraft, enjoy!
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Lucifer and SATAN are two entirely different individuals
dont ever forget that, when people become lazy and generalize them

i dunno.....theres documented references that suggest otherwise


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Isaiah 14:12 mentions the name of "Lucifer." I’ve heard it said that this is Satan. Are Lucifer and Satan one and the same?
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It is sad, but nevertheless true, that on occasion Bible students attribute to God’s Word facts and concepts that it neither teaches nor advocates. These ill-advised beliefs run the entire gamut—from harmless misinterpretations to potentially soul-threatening false doctrines.

Although there are numerous examples from both categories that could be listed, perhaps one of the most popular misconceptions among Bible believers is that Satan also is designated as “Lucifer” within the pages of the Bible. What is the origin of the name Lucifer, what is its meaning, and is it a synonym for “Satan”? Here are the facts.

The word “Lucifer” is used in the King James Version only once, in Isaiah 14:12: “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!” The Hebrew word translated “Lucifer” is helel (or heylel), from the root, hâlâl, meaning “to shine” or “to bear light.” Keil and Delitzsch noted that “t derives its name in other ancient languages also from its striking brilliancy, and is here called ben-shachar (son of the dawn)... (1982, 7:311). However, the KJV translators did not translate helel as Lucifer because of something inherent in the Hebrew term itself. Instead, they borrowed the name from Jerome’s translation of the Bible (A.D. 383-405) known as the Latin Vulgate. Jerome, likely believing that the term was describing the planet Venus, employed the Latin term “Lucifer” (“light-bearing”) to designate “the morning star” (Venus). Only later did the suggestion originate that Isaiah 14:12ff. was speaking of the devil. Eventually, the name Lucifer came to be synonymous with Satan. But is Satan “Lucifer”?

No, he is not. The context into which verse 12 fits begins in verse 4 where God told Isaiah to “take up this parable against the king of Babylon, and say, ‘How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!’” In his commentary on Isaiah, Albert Barnes explained that God’s wrath was kindled against the king because the ruler “intended not to acknowledge any superior either in heaven or earth, but designed that himself and his laws should be regarded as supreme” (1950, 1:272). The chest-pounding boast of the impudent potentate was:


I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; and I will sit upon the mount of congregation, in the uttermost parts of the north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High (vss. 13-14).
As a result of his egotistical self-deification, the pagan monarch eventually would experience both the collapse of his kingdom and the loss of his life—an ignominious end that is described in vivid and powerful terms. “Sheol from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming,” the prophet proclaimed to the once-powerful king. And when the ruler finally descends into his eternal grave, captives of that hidden realm will taunt him by saying, “Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms?” (vs. 16). He is denominated as a “man” (vs. 16) who would die in disrepute and whose body would be buried, not in a king’s sarcophagus, but in pits reserved for the downtrodden masses (vss. 19-20). Worms would eat his body, and hedgehogs would trample his grave (vss. 11,23).

It was in this context that Isaiah referred to the king of Babylon as “the morning star” (“son of the morning”; “son of the dawn”) to depict the once-shining-but-now-dimmed, once-lofty-but-now-diminished, status of the (soon to be former) ruler. In his Bible Commentary, E.M. Zerr observed that such phrases were “...used figuratively in this verse to symbolize the dignity and splendor of the Babylonian monarch. His complete overthrow was likened to the falling of the morning star” (1954, 3:265). This kind of phraseology should not be surprising since “n the O.T., the demise of corrupt national powers is frequently depicted under the imagery of falling heavenly luminaries (cf. Isa. 13:10; Ezek. 32:7), hence, quite appropriately in this context the Babylonian monarch is described as a fallen star [cf. ASV]” (Jackson, 1987, 23:15).

Nowhere within the context of Isaiah 14, however, is Satan depicted as Lucifer. In fact, quite the opposite is true. In his commentary on Isaiah, Burton Coffman wrote: “We are glad that our version (ASV) leaves the word Lucifer out of this rendition, because...Satan does not enter into this passage as a subject at all” (1990, p. 141). The Babylonian ruler was to die and be buried—fates neither of which Satan is destined to endure. The king was called “a man” whose body was to be eaten by worms, but Satan, as a spirit, has no physical body. The monarch lived in and abided over a “golden city” (vs. 4), but Satan is the monarch of a kingdom of spiritual darkness (cf. Ephesians 6:12). And so on.

The context presented in Isaiah 14:4-16 not only does not portray Satan as Lucifer, but actually militates against it. Keil and Delitzsch firmly proclaimed that “Lucifer,” as a synonym, “is a perfectly appropriate one for the king of Babel, on account of the early date of the Babylonian culture, which reached back as far as the grey twilight of primeval times, and also because of its predominate astrological character” (1982, p. 312). They then correctly concluded that “Lucifer, as a name given to the devil, was derived from this passage...without any warrant whatever, as relating to the apostasy and punishment of the angelic leaders” (pp. 312-313).
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that may very well be, BUT sometimes you cannot find Real truth or real answers from the bible, i would suggest reading THE encyclopedia of EARTHLY myths. There you will find alternatives Perspective you may not know about. goodbye.
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Is not the "sun" a morning star? The thread itself is based on misinterpretations.
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Excellent point, and unfortunately it gets drowned out by squabbling.

I would think that the sun isn't a "Star" in some ways, but it is in others. It could be another "sun" though, and not a planet if there was a supernova visible during that time, and would likely be the brightest object in the sky

The time period and the part of the sky visible during the early morning hours are key to figuring out what this was. I am guessing supernova.
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Good job, Phennommennonn. Now if only Beck, Romney, Hatch, Palin and millions of people in the dark could understand things like this, the world might be a bit closer to some truth. One step at a time.
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Good job, Phennommennonn. Now if only Beck, Romney, Hatch, Palin and millions of people in the dark could understand things like this, the world might be a bit closer to some truth. One step at a time.
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The babylonian Kabalist and Gnostics have manufactured many false text. The KJV is the true account. History and science supports it not the Gnostic lies.
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We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view.
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Excellent presentation.

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Is not the "sun" a morning star? The thread itself is based on misinterpretations.


Excellent point, and unfortunately it gets drowned out by squabbling.

I would think that the sun isn't a "Star" in some ways, but it is in others. It could be another "sun" though, and not a planet if there was a supernova visible during that time, and would likely be the brightest object in the sky

The time period and the part of the sky visible during the early morning hours are key to figuring out what this was. I am guessing supernova.
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Heylel has nothing to do with a morning star. He's the son of the Canaanite god of DAWN.

Perhaps if you paid attention to the "squabbling" you'd have appreciated this.
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Millions walk with the light and share it with those in the dark.




33 No man, when he hath lighted a candle, putteth it in a secret place, neither under a bushel, but on a candlestick, that they which come in may see the light.

34 The light of the body is the eye: therefore when thine eye is single, thy whole body also is full of light; but when thine eye is evil, thy body also is full of darkness.

35 Take heed therefore that the light which is in thee be not darkness.

36 If thy whole body therefore be full of light, having no part dark, the whole shall be full of light, as when the bright shining of a candle doth give thee light.

Luke 11:33-36



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Good thread, very informative.

Lucifer has definitely gotten a bad rap.

Cmon guys, "lighten" up lol!!
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Good thread, very informative.

Lucifer has definitely gotten a bad rap.

Cmon guys, "lighten" up lol!!
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lmao
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If you do a Bible search, you'll find that the word "Lucifer" is only found in the following passage, and interestingly enough, isn't found in most of the Bible translations, but just a few, such as the KJV and the NKJV.

Isaiah 14:12 (KJV)
"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!"

Isaiah 14:12 (NKJV)
"How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!"

Other versions of the Bible don't use the word "Lucifer."

Isaiah 14:12 (NIV)
"How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn!"

Isaiah 14:12 (NASB)
"How you have fallen from heaven, star of the morning, son of the dawn!"

Isaiah 14:12 (NLT)
"How you are fallen from heaven, O shining star, son of the morning!"

Isaiah 14:12 (RSV)
"How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn!"

Isaiah 14:12 (YLT)
"How hast thou fallen from the heavens, O shining one, son of the dawn!"

The original Hebrew reads "O Helel, son of Shahar." Shahar was a Babylonian god of the dawn, and Helel was his son, the morning star which we now call Venus. Shahar had a twin brother named Shalem, which was associated with dusk and the evening appearance of Venus.
 Quoting: Phennommennonn


The OT books are older than Babylon and given by devine revelation. The book of Jeremiah for instance was used by Daniel while captive in Babylon to calculate that the Jews would be held for 70 years. That prophetic time period was fulfilled to the day.

Your argument rest on which is the true translation. The King James is the only Bible which strictly used the Greek Textus Receptus NT and Hebrew Masoretic OT manuscripts. Other Bibles use different scripts, such as the Vaticanus.

The next argument the writer makes goes completely babylonian kabalistic and gnostic, used to deceive the Jews of old, still in practice today in universities.

The king of Babylon was the sun god which symbolized Lucifer the morning star.
Strong's - Lucifer
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The babylonian maji contacted the fallen angels who developed this whole sun worship system, because few would openly worship Satan, and because without it all there would be is the Truth of our Creator God.
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I suppose that eventually you'll get it and ask yourself where you first heard the CORRECT notion.
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get what exactly? look cliffy clavin - its evident and most obvious that you do not follow my threads. i do not lean to the religious aspect of things. im the political end. i will not attest to - nor deny any info herein because i cannot validate any of it. capice?

some opinions expressed here may or may not very well be that of an antiquated belief system -

i found the article interesting and i posted it. it is out of the norm for me to do so bc this is NOT my defined area - and i stated inasmuch in the beginning of the thread. *im not gonna say this again.
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The universe responds NOT to what you want.....it responds to what you are being.......are you being what you want?
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political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

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when a country is greatly disoriented —as it is currently in America with regards to polarization on many issues— that it’s easy for the Government —and other powers that be— to manipulate the public with lies and deceit. This is not a new strategy, but one that has been implemented in this country —as well as others— for centuries. It’s specifically designed to control the masses by generating and perpetuating confusion. in the past the truth about certain national incidents were not found out and revealed to the public for years. Now, thanks to the internet, it takes only a few months to discover the policies and activities of our Government and mega-corporate empires —that are criminal to say the least.

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Dear Progressives, Feelings aren't facts. Perception is not reality. We are not responsible for your inability to comprehend the difference.

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Visit The Official GLP Store
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The People Vs Larry Flynt
"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you've heard a lot here today and I won't try to go back over it all. But you have to go back in that room and make some decisions and there is one thing I want to make very clear to you before you do. I'm not trying to convince you that you should like what Larry Flynt does. I don't like what he does. But what I do like is... that I live in a country... where you and I can make that decision for ourselves. I like that I live in a country where I can pick up Hustler magazine... read it if I want... or throw it in the trash, if that's where I think it belongs. Or better yet I can express my opinion by not buying it. I like that right. I care about it. And you should care about it, too... because we live in a free country. We say that a lot, but sometimes we forget what that means, so listen again. We live in a free country. That is a powerful idea. That's a magnificent way to live. But there is a price for that freedom, which is that sometimes... we have to tolerate things that we don't necessarily like. So go back in that room... where you are free to think whatever you want to think... about Larry Flynt and Hustler magazine. But then ask yourselves if you want to make that decision for the rest of us... because the freedom that everyone in this room enjoys... is, in a very real way, in your hands. If we start throwing up walls against what some of us think is obscene... we may wake up one morning and realize... that walls have been thrown upin places we never expected... and we can't see anythingor... do anything. And that's not freedom. That is not freedom. So, be careful. Thank you."
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If you do a Bible search, you'll find that the word "Lucifer" is only found in the following passage, and interestingly enough, isn't found in most of the Bible translations, but just a few, such as the KJV and the NKJV.

Isaiah 14:12 (KJV)
"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!"

Isaiah 14:12 (NKJV)
"How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!"

Other versions of the Bible don't use the word "Lucifer."

Isaiah 14:12 (NIV)
"How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn!"

Isaiah 14:12 (NASB)
"How you have fallen from heaven, star of the morning, son of the dawn!"

Isaiah 14:12 (NLT)
"How you are fallen from heaven, O shining star, son of the morning!"

Isaiah 14:12 (RSV)
"How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn!"

Isaiah 14:12 (YLT)
"How hast thou fallen from the heavens, O shining one, son of the dawn!"

The original Hebrew reads "O Helel, son of Shahar." Shahar was a Babylonian god of the dawn, and Helel was his son, the morning star which we now call Venus. Shahar had a twin brother named Shalem, which was associated with dusk and the evening appearance of Venus.


The OT books are older than Babylon and given by devine revelation. The book of Jeremiah for instance was used by Daniel while captive in Babylon to calculate that the Jews would be held for 70 years. That prophetic time period was fulfilled to the day.

Your argument rest on which is the true translation. The King James is the only Bible which strictly used the Greek Textus Receptus NT and Hebrew Masoretic OT manuscripts. Other Bibles use different scripts, such as the Vaticanus.

The next argument the writer makes goes completely babylonian kabalistic and gnostic, used to deceive the Jews of old, still in practice today in universities.

The king of Babylon was the sun god which symbolized Lucifer the morning star.
Strong's - Lucifer
[link to www.apostolic-churches.net]

The babylonian maji contacted the fallen angels who developed this whole sun worship system, because few would openly worship Satan, and because without it all there would be is the Truth of our Creator God.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 756919

Your argument rest on which is the true translation. The King James is the only Bible which strictly used the Greek Textus Receptus NT and Hebrew Masoretic OT manuscripts. Other Bibles use different scripts, such as the Vaticanus.

i wouldnt know this this isnt my area of expertise. ive been slowly delving into the religious end of things.
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*Dont fuck with me; ill jump on my menstrual cycle & run your ass over ;)
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Every closed eye is not sleeping, and every open eye is not seeing
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The universe responds NOT to what you want.....it responds to what you are being.......are you being what you want?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
the karma cafe has no menus. you get served what you deserve
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
when a country is greatly disoriented —as it is currently in America with regards to polarization on many issues— that it’s easy for the Government —and other powers that be— to manipulate the public with lies and deceit. This is not a new strategy, but one that has been implemented in this country —as well as others— for centuries. It’s specifically designed to control the masses by generating and perpetuating confusion. in the past the truth about certain national incidents were not found out and revealed to the public for years. Now, thanks to the internet, it takes only a few months to discover the policies and activities of our Government and mega-corporate empires —that are criminal to say the least.

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Dear Progressives, Feelings aren't facts. Perception is not reality. We are not responsible for your inability to comprehend the difference.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Visit The Official GLP Store
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FREEDOM OF SPEECH:
Alan Isaacman
The People Vs Larry Flynt
"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you've heard a lot here today and I won't try to go back over it all. But you have to go back in that room and make some decisions and there is one thing I want to make very clear to you before you do. I'm not trying to convince you that you should like what Larry Flynt does. I don't like what he does. But what I do like is... that I live in a country... where you and I can make that decision for ourselves. I like that I live in a country where I can pick up Hustler magazine... read it if I want... or throw it in the trash, if that's where I think it belongs. Or better yet I can express my opinion by not buying it. I like that right. I care about it. And you should care about it, too... because we live in a free country. We say that a lot, but sometimes we forget what that means, so listen again. We live in a free country. That is a powerful idea. That's a magnificent way to live. But there is a price for that freedom, which is that sometimes... we have to tolerate things that we don't necessarily like. So go back in that room... where you are free to think whatever you want to think... about Larry Flynt and Hustler magazine. But then ask yourselves if you want to make that decision for the rest of us... because the freedom that everyone in this room enjoys... is, in a very real way, in your hands. If we start throwing up walls against what some of us think is obscene... we may wake up one morning and realize... that walls have been thrown upin places we never expected... and we can't see anythingor... do anything. And that's not freedom. That is not freedom. So, be careful. Thank you."
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Shachar and Shalim have nothing to do with morning or evening stars. They're twin brothers, sons of EL according to Canaanite mythology. Their two mothers were found by EL who adopted them and then impregnated them, according the Ugaritic text entitled Shachar and Shalim.

Shachar 'Dawn'

Shalim's twin twin and one of the first, if not only, pair of gracious gods, the children and cleavers of the sea. They were born of El and Athirat or her female companion. The new family builds a sanctuary in the desert and lives there for eight years. According to Isaiah 14:12, he is the father of Helel or Lucifer, the 'light-bringer'.

Shalim 'Sunset/Dusk'

Shachar's twin and one of the first, if not only, pair of gracious gods, the children and cleavers of the sea. They were born of El and Athirat or her female companion. The new family builds a sanctuary in the desert and lives there for eight years.
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There are worlds upon worlds, planes upon planes within us. This world is as illusory as images on a movie screen. When we watch the world, it appears to be real, but it is only rays of light. Similarly, a dream appears real while sleeping, but we realise its illusory nature when we awaken. Likewise, this world will seem like a dream when we experience a higher reality.

The dreamer of this world is the soul. In its state of ignorance, the soul thinks that the show it is watching here is real. However, when the soul turns its attention to the spiritual realms, it learns of the True Reality. It then sees that the only reality is the power of God of which it is a part.

God is spirit, and the soul, being a part of God, is also spirit. It is said that when God wanted to bring about Creation, a principle issued from God in the form of a vibration; this vibration resulted in light and sound that, in turn, brought about all Creation. This power is referred to in scriptures as Naam, Shabd, Kalma and the Holy Word.

Meditation is the process of pulling back the veil that separates us from the Lord. As we focus our attention within, we start to see the inner Light of God and hear the inner music of God. Through absorption into the inner light and sound we rise from physical consciousness into realms of spiritual consciousness.

We find, as Christ has said, that there are ''many mansions in the house of our Father''. There are realms more ethereal than the physical, and each successive realm is brimming with more light, love and music. Ultimately, the soul reaches the purely spiritual realms of Sach Khand, the place from where the Lord emanates. There, the soul merges back in its Source, and becomes one with God. At that stage we perceive that the Light of God within us is also shining in all other people and in all other life forms. Then, the world becomes a reflection of God's beauty, and we rejoice in its trees, flowers, rivers and mountains. The entire macrocosm of God is contained in the microcosm of our soul.

The world was meant to be a Garden of Eden and a haven of bliss. To attain such a paradise on earth, each of us has to make a contribution. Peace and unity begin within each one of us. We cannot expect others to radiate harmony and oneness if we ourselves are not prepared to see their fruition in our own lives.
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I suppose that eventually you'll get it and ask yourself where you first heard the CORRECT notion.

get what exactly? look cliffy clavin - its evident and most obvious that you do not follow my threads. i do not lean to the religious aspect of things. im the political end. i will not attest to - nor deny any info herein because i cannot validate any of it. capice?

some opinions expressed here may or may not very well be that of an antiquated belief system -

i found the article interesting and i posted it. it is out of the norm for me to do so bc this is NOT my defined area - and i stated inasmuch in the beginning of the thread. *im not gonna say this again.


I don't think you need to say it all. It's patently obvious.

If you want to learn about these things it behooves you to show a little more respect to the people who can teach you.
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i do not need to be taught by someone who pushes their thinking - i read, and decide for myself. its painstakingly obvious that YOUR objective here is just wanting to be right and shit all over anyone else who wishes to contribute. *if youre gonna be a dick about things....and hijack the thread into a piss fest **let me know now.
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political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

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when a country is greatly disoriented —as it is currently in America with regards to polarization on many issues— that it’s easy for the Government —and other powers that be— to manipulate the public with lies and deceit. This is not a new strategy, but one that has been implemented in this country —as well as others— for centuries. It’s specifically designed to control the masses by generating and perpetuating confusion. in the past the truth about certain national incidents were not found out and revealed to the public for years. Now, thanks to the internet, it takes only a few months to discover the policies and activities of our Government and mega-corporate empires —that are criminal to say the least.

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"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you've heard a lot here today and I won't try to go back over it all. But you have to go back in that room and make some decisions and there is one thing I want to make very clear to you before you do. I'm not trying to convince you that you should like what Larry Flynt does. I don't like what he does. But what I do like is... that I live in a country... where you and I can make that decision for ourselves. I like that I live in a country where I can pick up Hustler magazine... read it if I want... or throw it in the trash, if that's where I think it belongs. Or better yet I can express my opinion by not buying it. I like that right. I care about it. And you should care about it, too... because we live in a free country. We say that a lot, but sometimes we forget what that means, so listen again. We live in a free country. That is a powerful idea. That's a magnificent way to live. But there is a price for that freedom, which is that sometimes... we have to tolerate things that we don't necessarily like. So go back in that room... where you are free to think whatever you want to think... about Larry Flynt and Hustler magazine. But then ask yourselves if you want to make that decision for the rest of us... because the freedom that everyone in this room enjoys... is, in a very real way, in your hands. If we start throwing up walls against what some of us think is obscene... we may wake up one morning and realize... that walls have been thrown upin places we never expected... and we can't see anythingor... do anything. And that's not freedom. That is not freedom. So, be careful. Thank you."
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Want to know what the Bible Codes tell us about the identity of Lucifer?

Check out www.angelfall.com


Prepare to have your mind blown.



More nonsense distraction.
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No "nonsense" there! Just astounding revelations!

I promise you that what you'll find there is mind-blowing truth based on provable math, scientifically sound in every way. This is something different from any bible codes you may think you know about. I promise you, you haven't seen this!

In Hebrew and Greek, the letters of the alphabet also correspond with numbers. These numbers form numeric patterns that correspond to the content of the bible and go deeper in explaining many of the questions that perplex humanity.

These codes also show NO WORD OF THE BIBLE IS AN ACCIDENT.

Do you want to know the answers to these questions?

Why is there evil in the world?

How can a child be "guilty of sin" as the bible says?

Who is satan?

Is there going to be a Rapture?

Why doesn't God stop all the evil around us if He's all powerful?

Are some people more guilty in the eyes of God than others?

If you have wondered if the bible is REALLY true, if you have a questioning, analytical mind, you will love feasting on the truths presented at angelfall.com.

Yes, you have to read and think about what is presented there. If you are intelligent and thought Christianity was for blind followers or intellectual light weights, you will love seeing that the MIND OF GOD is revealed in scripture in astounding ways.

You will also enjoy having answers to some of the deeper questions the church avoids.

My prayer is that you will plumb the depths of what God has given us here!


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There are worlds upon worlds, planes upon planes within us. This world is as illusory as images on a movie screen. When we watch the world, it appears to be real, but it is only rays of light. Similarly, a dream appears real while sleeping, but we realise its illusory nature when we awaken. Likewise, this world will seem like a dream when we experience a higher reality.

The dreamer of this world is the soul. In its state of ignorance, the soul thinks that the show it is watching here is real. However, when the soul turns its attention to the spiritual realms, it learns of the True Reality. It then sees that the only reality is the power of God of which it is a part.

God is spirit, and the soul, being a part of God, is also spirit. It is said that when God wanted to bring about Creation, a principle issued from God in the form of a vibration; this vibration resulted in light and sound that, in turn, brought about all Creation. This power is referred to in scriptures as Naam, Shabd, Kalma and the Holy Word.

Meditation is the process of pulling back the veil that separates us from the Lord. As we focus our attention within, we start to see the inner Light of God and hear the inner music of God. Through absorption into the inner light and sound we rise from physical consciousness into realms of spiritual consciousness.

We find, as Christ has said, that there are ''many mansions in the house of our Father''. There are realms more ethereal than the physical, and each successive realm is brimming with more light, love and music. Ultimately, the soul reaches the purely spiritual realms of Sach Khand, the place from where the Lord emanates. There, the soul merges back in its Source, and becomes one with God. At that stage we perceive that the Light of God within us is also shining in all other people and in all other life forms. Then, the world becomes a reflection of God's beauty, and we rejoice in its trees, flowers, rivers and mountains. The entire macrocosm of God is contained in the microcosm of our soul.

The world was meant to be a Garden of Eden and a haven of bliss. To attain such a paradise on earth, each of us has to make a contribution. Peace and unity begin within each one of us. We cannot expect others to radiate harmony and oneness if we ourselves are not prepared to see their fruition in our own lives.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 728820

have you ever read glp's antichrist666's threads or his book? dudes got some serious theories. advance search his work on here.
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The universe responds NOT to what you want.....it responds to what you are being.......are you being what you want?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
the karma cafe has no menus. you get served what you deserve
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political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
when a country is greatly disoriented —as it is currently in America with regards to polarization on many issues— that it’s easy for the Government —and other powers that be— to manipulate the public with lies and deceit. This is not a new strategy, but one that has been implemented in this country —as well as others— for centuries. It’s specifically designed to control the masses by generating and perpetuating confusion. in the past the truth about certain national incidents were not found out and revealed to the public for years. Now, thanks to the internet, it takes only a few months to discover the policies and activities of our Government and mega-corporate empires —that are criminal to say the least.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dear Progressives, Feelings aren't facts. Perception is not reality. We are not responsible for your inability to comprehend the difference.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Visit The Official GLP Store
[link to www.cafepress.com]

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FREEDOM OF SPEECH:
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The People Vs Larry Flynt
"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you've heard a lot here today and I won't try to go back over it all. But you have to go back in that room and make some decisions and there is one thing I want to make very clear to you before you do. I'm not trying to convince you that you should like what Larry Flynt does. I don't like what he does. But what I do like is... that I live in a country... where you and I can make that decision for ourselves. I like that I live in a country where I can pick up Hustler magazine... read it if I want... or throw it in the trash, if that's where I think it belongs. Or better yet I can express my opinion by not buying it. I like that right. I care about it. And you should care about it, too... because we live in a free country. We say that a lot, but sometimes we forget what that means, so listen again. We live in a free country. That is a powerful idea. That's a magnificent way to live. But there is a price for that freedom, which is that sometimes... we have to tolerate things that we don't necessarily like. So go back in that room... where you are free to think whatever you want to think... about Larry Flynt and Hustler magazine. But then ask yourselves if you want to make that decision for the rest of us... because the freedom that everyone in this room enjoys... is, in a very real way, in your hands. If we start throwing up walls against what some of us think is obscene... we may wake up one morning and realize... that walls have been thrown upin places we never expected... and we can't see anythingor... do anything. And that's not freedom. That is not freedom. So, be careful. Thank you."
VIDEO: [link to youtu.be]

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lucifer >>> LUCIS TRUST (at one time called Lucifer Trust) has a charter in the UN?

YES

has this been mentioned?

And this esoteric society (Lucis Trust resides at the top of the esoteric astrology occult heap) suggests the MOON must GO?

so I wonder if the UN knows this?

bye bye MOON?

Is that what NASA is really doing?
why they are blowing up bombs on the MOON?

Lucifer is a SUN god or MOON god?

And the NASA Freemasons are (pick as many as you like):

a/SUNworshipers
b/MOON worshipers
c/MONEY worshipers
d/POWER worshipers

Idol1

Is NASA trying to cut the MOON loose?

namaste

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lucifer >>> LUCIS TRUST (at one time called Lucifer Trust) has a charter in the UN?

YES

has this been mentioned?

And this esoteric society (Lucis Trust resides at the top of the esoteric astrology occult heap) suggests the MOON must GO?

so I wonder if the UN knows this?

bye bye MOON?

Is that what NASA is really doing?
why they are blowing up bombs on the MOON?

Lucifer is a SUN god or MOON god?

And the NASA Freemasons are (pick as many as you like):

a/SUNworshipers
b/MOON worshipers
c/MONEY worshipers
d/POWER worshipers

Idol1

Is NASA trying to cut the MOON loose?

namaste
 Quoting: Raphael

no it hasnt..........good find, thank you. i have to show the q-crew this .
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The universe responds NOT to what you want.....it responds to what you are being.......are you being what you want?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
the karma cafe has no menus. you get served what you deserve
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
when a country is greatly disoriented —as it is currently in America with regards to polarization on many issues— that it’s easy for the Government —and other powers that be— to manipulate the public with lies and deceit. This is not a new strategy, but one that has been implemented in this country —as well as others— for centuries. It’s specifically designed to control the masses by generating and perpetuating confusion. in the past the truth about certain national incidents were not found out and revealed to the public for years. Now, thanks to the internet, it takes only a few months to discover the policies and activities of our Government and mega-corporate empires —that are criminal to say the least.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dear Progressives, Feelings aren't facts. Perception is not reality. We are not responsible for your inability to comprehend the difference.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Visit The Official GLP Store
[link to www.cafepress.com]

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
FREEDOM OF SPEECH:
Alan Isaacman
The People Vs Larry Flynt
"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you've heard a lot here today and I won't try to go back over it all. But you have to go back in that room and make some decisions and there is one thing I want to make very clear to you before you do. I'm not trying to convince you that you should like what Larry Flynt does. I don't like what he does. But what I do like is... that I live in a country... where you and I can make that decision for ourselves. I like that I live in a country where I can pick up Hustler magazine... read it if I want... or throw it in the trash, if that's where I think it belongs. Or better yet I can express my opinion by not buying it. I like that right. I care about it. And you should care about it, too... because we live in a free country. We say that a lot, but sometimes we forget what that means, so listen again. We live in a free country. That is a powerful idea. That's a magnificent way to live. But there is a price for that freedom, which is that sometimes... we have to tolerate things that we don't necessarily like. So go back in that room... where you are free to think whatever you want to think... about Larry Flynt and Hustler magazine. But then ask yourselves if you want to make that decision for the rest of us... because the freedom that everyone in this room enjoys... is, in a very real way, in your hands. If we start throwing up walls against what some of us think is obscene... we may wake up one morning and realize... that walls have been thrown upin places we never expected... and we can't see anythingor... do anything. And that's not freedom. That is not freedom. So, be careful. Thank you."
VIDEO: [link to youtu.be]

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lucifer >>> LUCIS TRUST (at one time called Lucifer Trust) has a charter in the UN?

YES

has this been mentioned?

And this esoteric society (Lucis Trust resides at the top of the esoteric astrology occult heap) suggests the MOON must GO?

so I wonder if the UN knows this?

bye bye MOON?

Is that what NASA is really doing?
why they are blowing up bombs on the MOON?

Lucifer is a SUN god or MOON god?


 Quoting: Raphael


Lucifer isn't a god. He's a man.

Isaiah 14:6
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Okay, everyone just calm down. People make mistakes all of the time. That's how we all learn, I guess.

Forgive each other for the possibility of being human and afraid. Lighten up. :D

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some of y'all need to not take life and hypothetical afterlife so seriously.
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lucifer >>> LUCIS TRUST (at one time called Lucifer Trust) has a charter in the UN?

YES

has this been mentioned?

And this esoteric society (Lucis Trust resides at the top of the esoteric astrology occult heap) suggests the MOON must GO?

so I wonder if the UN knows this?

bye bye MOON?

Is that what NASA is really doing?
why they are blowing up bombs on the MOON?

Lucifer is a SUN god or MOON god?




Lucifer isn't a god. He's a man.

Isaiah 14:6
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 758881

god said 'there shall be no other gods before me'.....idolatry is another....the greeks have many gods dont they?
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Every closed eye is not sleeping, and every open eye is not seeing
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The universe responds NOT to what you want.....it responds to what you are being.......are you being what you want?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
the karma cafe has no menus. you get served what you deserve
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
when a country is greatly disoriented —as it is currently in America with regards to polarization on many issues— that it’s easy for the Government —and other powers that be— to manipulate the public with lies and deceit. This is not a new strategy, but one that has been implemented in this country —as well as others— for centuries. It’s specifically designed to control the masses by generating and perpetuating confusion. in the past the truth about certain national incidents were not found out and revealed to the public for years. Now, thanks to the internet, it takes only a few months to discover the policies and activities of our Government and mega-corporate empires —that are criminal to say the least.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dear Progressives, Feelings aren't facts. Perception is not reality. We are not responsible for your inability to comprehend the difference.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Visit The Official GLP Store
[link to www.cafepress.com]

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
FREEDOM OF SPEECH:
Alan Isaacman
The People Vs Larry Flynt
"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you've heard a lot here today and I won't try to go back over it all. But you have to go back in that room and make some decisions and there is one thing I want to make very clear to you before you do. I'm not trying to convince you that you should like what Larry Flynt does. I don't like what he does. But what I do like is... that I live in a country... where you and I can make that decision for ourselves. I like that I live in a country where I can pick up Hustler magazine... read it if I want... or throw it in the trash, if that's where I think it belongs. Or better yet I can express my opinion by not buying it. I like that right. I care about it. And you should care about it, too... because we live in a free country. We say that a lot, but sometimes we forget what that means, so listen again. We live in a free country. That is a powerful idea. That's a magnificent way to live. But there is a price for that freedom, which is that sometimes... we have to tolerate things that we don't necessarily like. So go back in that room... where you are free to think whatever you want to think... about Larry Flynt and Hustler magazine. But then ask yourselves if you want to make that decision for the rest of us... because the freedom that everyone in this room enjoys... is, in a very real way, in your hands. If we start throwing up walls against what some of us think is obscene... we may wake up one morning and realize... that walls have been thrown upin places we never expected... and we can't see anythingor... do anything. And that's not freedom. That is not freedom. So, be careful. Thank you."
VIDEO: [link to youtu.be]

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Lucifer, never to receive a body or be sent to Earth.

I suppose that eventually you'll get it and ask yourself where you first heard the CORRECT notion.

get what exactly? look cliffy clavin - its evident and most obvious that you do not follow my threads. i do not lean to the religious aspect of things. im the political end. i will not attest to - nor deny any info herein because i cannot validate any of it. capice?

some opinions expressed here may or may not very well be that of an antiquated belief system -

i found the article interesting and i posted it. it is out of the norm for me to do so bc this is NOT my defined area - and i stated inasmuch in the beginning of the thread. *im not gonna say this again.
 Quoting: Phennommennonn


King Lucifer is not Satan gaah

Lucifer aka Satan never came to this Earth.    

Latter-day Saints believe that God explained to His spirit children that they would come to earth to gain bodies, be tested, and would be free to choose to return to Him. Since they wouldn't remember this life, they would have to walk by faith.

Jesus accepted this plan and was willing to come to earth to atone for mankind. But another spirit named Lucifer proposed that he be given all God's glory, come to earth, and force everyone to obey him.

Mormons believe that God chose Jesus as the savior, and what followed is called the war in heaven. Lucifer rebelled and was cast out of heaven, never to receive a body or be sent to earth as part of God's plan. (Also see Bible; Luke 10:18, Revelation 12:7-12, and Isaiah 14: 12-20.) Mormons believe that Lucifer became Satan, and 1/3 of the spirits in heaven chose to follow him to outer darkness.

A close parent-child relationship with God is depicted by Mormons. They believe that all people lived as God's spirit children with Him before birth on earth. When He unfolded His plan for mankind, Lucifer rebelled and drew away many spirits. Jesus Christ was chosen to become the savior of the world.
[link to mormonism.suite101.com]

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Thread: Tips for improving the GLP experience.

MC

Last Edited by X^24 on 08/29/2009 04:26 PM
The deception continues to crumble.
Thread: Tips for improving the GLP experience.
Christ was mischaracterized to the point of Crucifixion.
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Lucifer, never to receive a body or be sent to Earth.


I suppose that eventually you'll get it and ask yourself where you first heard the CORRECT notion.

get what exactly? look cliffy clavin - its evident and most obvious that you do not follow my threads. i do not lean to the religious aspect of things. im the political end. i will not attest to - nor deny any info herein because i cannot validate any of it. capice?

some opinions expressed here may or may not very well be that of an antiquated belief system -

i found the article interesting and i posted it. it is out of the norm for me to do so bc this is NOT my defined area - and i stated inasmuch in the beginning of the thread. *im not gonna say this again.


King Lucifer is not Satan gaah

Lucifer aka Satan never came to this Earth.

Latter-day Saints believe that God explained to His spirit children that they would come to earth to gain bodies, be tested, and would be free to choose to return to Him. Since they wouldn't remember this life, they would have to walk by faith.

Jesus accepted this plan and was willing to come to earth to atone for mankind. But another spirit named Lucifer proposed that he be given all God's glory, come to earth, and force everyone to obey him.

Mormons believe that God chose Jesus as the savior, and what followed is called the war in heaven. Lucifer rebelled and was cast out of heaven, never to receive a body or be sent to earth as part of God's plan. (Also see Bible; Luke 10:18, Revelation 12:7-12, and Isaiah 14: 12-20.) Mormons believe that Lucifer became Satan, and 1/3 of the spirits in heaven chose to follow him to outer darkness.

A close parent-child relationship with God is depicted by Mormons. They believe that all people lived as God's spirit children with Him before birth on earth. When He unfolded His plan for mankind, Lucifer rebelled and drew away many spirits. Jesus Christ was chosen to become the savior of the world.
[link to mormonism.suite101.com]

This post WAS added to my Log of Direct Links:
Thread: Tips for improving the GLP experience.

MC
 Quoting: MagiChristmas

im gonna check it out....thanks for this, splains alot.
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*Dont fuck with me; ill jump on my menstrual cycle & run your ass over ;)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Every closed eye is not sleeping, and every open eye is not seeing
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The universe responds NOT to what you want.....it responds to what you are being.......are you being what you want?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
the karma cafe has no menus. you get served what you deserve
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political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

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when a country is greatly disoriented —as it is currently in America with regards to polarization on many issues— that it’s easy for the Government —and other powers that be— to manipulate the public with lies and deceit. This is not a new strategy, but one that has been implemented in this country —as well as others— for centuries. It’s specifically designed to control the masses by generating and perpetuating confusion. in the past the truth about certain national incidents were not found out and revealed to the public for years. Now, thanks to the internet, it takes only a few months to discover the policies and activities of our Government and mega-corporate empires —that are criminal to say the least.

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Dear Progressives, Feelings aren't facts. Perception is not reality. We are not responsible for your inability to comprehend the difference.

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FREEDOM OF SPEECH:
Alan Isaacman
The People Vs Larry Flynt
"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you've heard a lot here today and I won't try to go back over it all. But you have to go back in that room and make some decisions and there is one thing I want to make very clear to you before you do. I'm not trying to convince you that you should like what Larry Flynt does. I don't like what he does. But what I do like is... that I live in a country... where you and I can make that decision for ourselves. I like that I live in a country where I can pick up Hustler magazine... read it if I want... or throw it in the trash, if that's where I think it belongs. Or better yet I can express my opinion by not buying it. I like that right. I care about it. And you should care about it, too... because we live in a free country. We say that a lot, but sometimes we forget what that means, so listen again. We live in a free country. That is a powerful idea. That's a magnificent way to live. But there is a price for that freedom, which is that sometimes... we have to tolerate things that we don't necessarily like. So go back in that room... where you are free to think whatever you want to think... about Larry Flynt and Hustler magazine. But then ask yourselves if you want to make that decision for the rest of us... because the freedom that everyone in this room enjoys... is, in a very real way, in your hands. If we start throwing up walls against what some of us think is obscene... we may wake up one morning and realize... that walls have been thrown upin places we never expected... and we can't see anythingor... do anything. And that's not freedom. That is not freedom. So, be careful. Thank you."
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