The Origin of The Lucifer Story

Lucifer and SATAN are two entirely different individuals
dont ever forget that, when people become lazy and generalize them

i dunno.....theres documented references that suggest otherwise


Q.

Isaiah 14:12 mentions the name of "Lucifer." I’ve heard it said that this is Satan. Are Lucifer and Satan one and the same?
A.

It is sad, but nevertheless true, that on occasion Bible students attribute to God’s Word facts and concepts that it neither teaches nor advocates. These ill-advised beliefs run the entire gamut—from harmless misinterpretations to potentially soul-threatening false doctrines.

Although there are numerous examples from both categories that could be listed, perhaps one of the most popular misconceptions among Bible believers is that Satan also is designated as “Lucifer” within the pages of the Bible. What is the origin of the name Lucifer, what is its meaning, and is it a synonym for “Satan”? Here are the facts.

The word “Lucifer” is used in the King James Version only once, in Isaiah 14:12: “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!” The Hebrew word translated “Lucifer” is helel (or heylel), from the root, hâlâl, meaning “to shine” or “to bear light.” Keil and Delitzsch noted that “t derives its name in other ancient languages also from its striking brilliancy, and is here called ben-shachar (son of the dawn)... (1982, 7:311). However, the KJV translators did not translate helel as Lucifer because of something inherent in the Hebrew term itself. Instead, they borrowed the name from Jerome’s translation of the Bible (A.D. 383-405) known as the Latin Vulgate. Jerome, likely believing that the term was describing the planet Venus, employed the Latin term “Lucifer” (“light-bearing”) to designate “the morning star” (Venus). Only later did the suggestion originate that Isaiah 14:12ff. was speaking of the devil. Eventually, the name Lucifer came to be synonymous with Satan. But is Satan “Lucifer”?

No, he is not. The context into which verse 12 fits begins in verse 4 where God told Isaiah to “take up this parable against the king of Babylon, and say, ‘How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!’” In his commentary on Isaiah, Albert Barnes explained that God’s wrath was kindled against the king because the ruler “intended not to acknowledge any superior either in heaven or earth, but designed that himself and his laws should be regarded as supreme” (1950, 1:272). The chest-pounding boast of the impudent potentate was:


I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; and I will sit upon the mount of congregation, in the uttermost parts of the north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High (vss. 13-14).
As a result of his egotistical self-deification, the pagan monarch eventually would experience both the collapse of his kingdom and the loss of his life—an ignominious end that is described in vivid and powerful terms. “Sheol from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming,” the prophet proclaimed to the once-powerful king. And when the ruler finally descends into his eternal grave, captives of that hidden realm will taunt him by saying, “Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms?” (vs. 16). He is denominated as a “man” (vs. 16) who would die in disrepute and whose body would be buried, not in a king’s sarcophagus, but in pits reserved for the downtrodden masses (vss. 19-20). Worms would eat his body, and hedgehogs would trample his grave (vss. 11,23).

It was in this context that Isaiah referred to the king of Babylon as “the morning star” (“son of the morning”; “son of the dawn”) to depict the once-shining-but-now-dimmed, once-lofty-but-now-diminished, status of the (soon to be former) ruler. In his Bible Commentary, E.M. Zerr observed that such phrases were “...used figuratively in this verse to symbolize the dignity and splendor of the Babylonian monarch. His complete overthrow was likened to the falling of the morning star” (1954, 3:265). This kind of phraseology should not be surprising since “n the O.T., the demise of corrupt national powers is frequently depicted under the imagery of falling heavenly luminaries (cf. Isa. 13:10; Ezek. 32:7), hence, quite appropriately in this context the Babylonian monarch is described as a fallen star [cf. ASV]” (Jackson, 1987, 23:15).

Nowhere within the context of Isaiah 14, however, is Satan depicted as Lucifer. In fact, quite the opposite is true. In his commentary on Isaiah, Burton Coffman wrote: “We are glad that our version (ASV) leaves the word Lucifer out of this rendition, because...Satan does not enter into this passage as a subject at all” (1990, p. 141). The Babylonian ruler was to die and be buried—fates neither of which Satan is destined to endure. The king was called “a man” whose body was to be eaten by worms, but Satan, as a spirit, has no physical body. The monarch lived in and abided over a “golden city” (vs. 4), but Satan is the monarch of a kingdom of spiritual darkness (cf. Ephesians 6:12). And so on.

The context presented in Isaiah 14:4-16 not only does not portray Satan as Lucifer, but actually militates against it. Keil and Delitzsch firmly proclaimed that “Lucifer,” as a synonym, “is a perfectly appropriate one for the king of Babel, on account of the early date of the Babylonian culture, which reached back as far as the grey twilight of primeval times, and also because of its predominate astrological character” (1982, p. 312). They then correctly concluded that “Lucifer, as a name given to the devil, was derived from this passage...without any warrant whatever, as relating to the apostasy and punishment of the angelic leaders” (pp. 312-313).

Is not the "sun" a morning star? The thread itself is based on misinterpretations.

Good job, Phennommennonn. Now if only Beck, Romney, Hatch, Palin and millions of people in the dark could understand things like this, the world might be a bit closer to some truth. One step at a time.

Is not the "sun" a morning star? The thread itself is based on misinterpretations.


Excellent point, and unfortunately it gets drowned out by squabbling.

I would think that the sun isn't a "Star" in some ways, but it is in others. It could be another "sun" though, and not a planet if there was a supernova visible during that time, and would likely be the brightest object in the sky

The time period and the part of the sky visible during the early morning hours are key to figuring out what this was. I am guessing supernova.

Good thread, very informative.

Lucifer has definitely gotten a bad rap.

Cmon guys, "lighten" up lol!!

If you do a Bible search, you'll find that the word "Lucifer" is only found in the following passage, and interestingly enough, isn't found in most of the Bible translations, but just a few, such as the KJV and the NKJV.

Isaiah 14:12 (KJV)
"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!"

Isaiah 14:12 (NKJV)
"How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!"

Other versions of the Bible don't use the word "Lucifer."

Isaiah 14:12 (NIV)
"How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn!"

Isaiah 14:12 (NASB)
"How you have fallen from heaven, star of the morning, son of the dawn!"

Isaiah 14:12 (NLT)
"How you are fallen from heaven, O shining star, son of the morning!"

Isaiah 14:12 (RSV)
"How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn!"

Isaiah 14:12 (YLT)
"How hast thou fallen from the heavens, O shining one, son of the dawn!"

The original Hebrew reads "O Helel, son of Shahar." Shahar was a Babylonian god of the dawn, and Helel was his son, the morning star which we now call Venus. Shahar had a twin brother named Shalem, which was associated with dusk and the evening appearance of Venus.

I suppose that eventually you'll get it and ask yourself where you first heard the CORRECT notion.

If you do a Bible search, you'll find that the word "Lucifer" is only found in the following passage, and interestingly enough, isn't found in most of the Bible translations, but just a few, such as the KJV and the NKJV.

Isaiah 14:12 (KJV)
"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!"

Isaiah 14:12 (NKJV)
"How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!"

Other versions of the Bible don't use the word "Lucifer."

Isaiah 14:12 (NIV)
"How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn!"

Isaiah 14:12 (NASB)
"How you have fallen from heaven, star of the morning, son of the dawn!"

Isaiah 14:12 (NLT)
"How you are fallen from heaven, O shining star, son of the morning!"

Isaiah 14:12 (RSV)
"How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn!"

Isaiah 14:12 (YLT)
"How hast thou fallen from the heavens, O shining one, son of the dawn!"

The original Hebrew reads "O Helel, son of Shahar." Shahar was a Babylonian god of the dawn, and Helel was his son, the morning star which we now call Venus. Shahar had a twin brother named Shalem, which was associated with dusk and the evening appearance of Venus.


The OT books are older than Babylon and given by devine revelation. The book of Jeremiah for instance was used by Daniel while captive in Babylon to calculate that the Jews would be held for 70 years. That prophetic time period was fulfilled to the day.

Your argument rest on which is the true translation. The King James is the only Bible which strictly used the Greek Textus Receptus NT and Hebrew Masoretic OT manuscripts. Other Bibles use different scripts, such as the Vaticanus.

The next argument the writer makes goes completely babylonian kabalistic and gnostic, used to deceive the Jews of old, still in practice today in universities.

The king of Babylon was the sun god which symbolized Lucifer the morning star.
Strong's - Lucifer
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The babylonian maji contacted the fallen angels who developed this whole sun worship system, because few would openly worship Satan, and because without it all there would be is the Truth of our Creator God.

I suppose that eventually you'll get it and ask yourself where you first heard the CORRECT notion.

get what exactly? look cliffy clavin - its evident and most obvious that you do not follow my threads. i do not lean to the religious aspect of things. im the political end. i will not attest to - nor deny any info herein because i cannot validate any of it. capice?

some opinions expressed here may or may not very well be that of an antiquated belief system -

i found the article interesting and i posted it. it is out of the norm for me to do so bc this is NOT my defined area - and i stated inasmuch in the beginning of the thread. *im not gonna say this again.


I don't think you need to say it all. It's patently obvious.

If you want to learn about these things it behooves you to show a little more respect to the people who can teach you.

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Prepare to have your mind blown.


More nonsense distraction.

There are worlds upon worlds, planes upon planes within us. This world is as illusory as images on a movie screen. When we watch the world, it appears to be real, but it is only rays of light. Similarly, a dream appears real while sleeping, but we realise its illusory nature when we awaken. Likewise, this world will seem like a dream when we experience a higher reality.

The dreamer of this world is the soul. In its state of ignorance, the soul thinks that the show it is watching here is real. However, when the soul turns its attention to the spiritual realms, it learns of the True Reality. It then sees that the only reality is the power of God of which it is a part.

God is spirit, and the soul, being a part of God, is also spirit. It is said that when God wanted to bring about Creation, a principle issued from God in the form of a vibration; this vibration resulted in light and sound that, in turn, brought about all Creation. This power is referred to in scriptures as Naam, Shabd, Kalma and the Holy Word.

Meditation is the process of pulling back the veil that separates us from the Lord. As we focus our attention within, we start to see the inner Light of God and hear the inner music of God. Through absorption into the inner light and sound we rise from physical consciousness into realms of spiritual consciousness.

We find, as Christ has said, that there are ''many mansions in the house of our Father''. There are realms more ethereal than the physical, and each successive realm is brimming with more light, love and music. Ultimately, the soul reaches the purely spiritual realms of Sach Khand, the place from where the Lord emanates. There, the soul merges back in its Source, and becomes one with God. At that stage we perceive that the Light of God within us is also shining in all other people and in all other life forms. Then, the world becomes a reflection of God's beauty, and we rejoice in its trees, flowers, rivers and mountains. The entire macrocosm of God is contained in the microcosm of our soul.

The world was meant to be a Garden of Eden and a haven of bliss. To attain such a paradise on earth, each of us has to make a contribution. Peace and unity begin within each one of us. We cannot expect others to radiate harmony and oneness if we ourselves are not prepared to see their fruition in our own lives.

lucifer >>> LUCIS TRUST (at one time called Lucifer Trust) has a charter in the UN?

YES

has this been mentioned?

And this esoteric society (Lucis Trust resides at the top of the esoteric astrology occult heap) suggests the MOON must GO?

so I wonder if the UN knows this?

bye bye MOON?

Is that what NASA is really doing?
why they are blowing up bombs on the MOON?

Lucifer is a SUN god or MOON god?

And the NASA Freemasons are (pick as many as you like):

a/SUNworshipers
b/MOON worshipers
c/MONEY worshipers
d/POWER worshipers



Is NASA trying to cut the MOON loose?

namaste

lucifer >>> LUCIS TRUST (at one time called Lucifer Trust) has a charter in the UN?

YES

has this been mentioned?

And this esoteric society (Lucis Trust resides at the top of the esoteric astrology occult heap) suggests the MOON must GO?

so I wonder if the UN knows this?

bye bye MOON?

Is that what NASA is really doing?
why they are blowing up bombs on the MOON?

Lucifer is a SUN god or MOON god?

lucifer >>> LUCIS TRUST (at one time called Lucifer Trust) has a charter in the UN?

YES

has this been mentioned?

And this esoteric society (Lucis Trust resides at the top of the esoteric astrology occult heap) suggests the MOON must GO?

so I wonder if the UN knows this?

bye bye MOON?

Is that what NASA is really doing?
why they are blowing up bombs on the MOON?

Lucifer is a SUN god or MOON god?




Lucifer isn't a god. He's a man.

Isaiah 14:6

I suppose that eventually you'll get it and ask yourself where you first heard the CORRECT notion.

get what exactly? look cliffy clavin - its evident and most obvious that you do not follow my threads. i do not lean to the religious aspect of things. im the political end. i will not attest to - nor deny any info herein because i cannot validate any of it. capice?

some opinions expressed here may or may not very well be that of an antiquated belief system -

i found the article interesting and i posted it. it is out of the norm for me to do so bc this is NOT my defined area - and i stated inasmuch in the beginning of the thread. *im not gonna say this again.

Lucifer, never to receive a body or be sent to Earth.


I suppose that eventually you'll get it and ask yourself where you first heard the CORRECT notion.

get what exactly? look cliffy clavin - its evident and most obvious that you do not follow my threads. i do not lean to the religious aspect of things. im the political end. i will not attest to - nor deny any info herein because i cannot validate any of it. capice?

some opinions expressed here may or may not very well be that of an antiquated belief system -

i found the article interesting and i posted it. it is out of the norm for me to do so bc this is NOT my defined area - and i stated inasmuch in the beginning of the thread. *im not gonna say this again.


King Lucifer is not Satan

Lucifer aka Satan never came to this Earth.

Latter-day Saints believe that God explained to His spirit children that they would come to earth to gain bodies, be tested, and would be free to choose to return to Him. Since they wouldn't remember this life, they would have to walk by faith.

Jesus accepted this plan and was willing to come to earth to atone for mankind. But another spirit named Lucifer proposed that he be given all God's glory, come to earth, and force everyone to obey him.

Mormons believe that God chose Jesus as the savior, and what followed is called the war in heaven. Lucifer rebelled and was cast out of heaven, never to receive a body or be sent to earth as part of God's plan. (Also see Bible; Luke 10:18, Revelation 12:7-12, and Isaiah 14: 12-20.) Mormons believe that Lucifer became Satan, and 1/3 of the spirits in heaven chose to follow him to outer darkness.

A close parent-child relationship with God is depicted by Mormons. They believe that all people lived as God's spirit children with Him before birth on earth. When He unfolded His plan for mankind, Lucifer rebelled and drew away many spirits. Jesus Christ was chosen to become the savior of the world.
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