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Was God In The Whirlwind?

 
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Ok you guys this is not my article, but one I found on the web to be very interesting. Here is the link to the article: [link to bible-prophecy-today.blogspot.com] By Jan Markell

My home state of Minnesota has lots of lakes, bitter cold, and Lutherans. Over 150 years ago, Scandinavians targeted this state and its climate, perhaps because it resembled their homeland. Ironically, the fathers and grandfathers of today's Lutherans left Sweden back then because they saw corruption and bad doctrine within Lutheranism in Scandinavia. But these Lutheran immigrants built Bible-believing churches for future generations. No doubt they would be crushed at such a culmination of apostasy in recent years.

Wednesday, August 19, was an average day. It was cool with not enough humidity to stir up a storm. No unusual weather patterns were forecast in the Twin Cities' metro area. As I was out driving, there were no tornado sirens. It was going to be a memorable day, nonetheless.

During the week, the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA) was holding its annual convention in downtown Minneapolis. Attendees were using the facilities of the Minneapolis Convention Center and Central Lutheran Church which is directly across the street. At this year's convention, a blatant pro-homosexual position validating "chaste" same-sex relationships was to be voted on. It was to be voted on at 2 PM on Wednesday, August 19.

Then for the first time in decades, a tornado touched down in downtown Minneapolis at, you guessed it, 2 pm. The tornado went through the western section of downtown, causing damage to the Central Lutheran Church building, which was being used as a central meeting place for the convention. There was extensive roof damage at the Minneapolis Convention Center where the actual conference was assembled as well as votes on same-sex issues were actually cast. The church steeple on top of Central Lutheran Church was struck and split in two. It was left hanging upside down. The church was built in 1929 and certainly has had no tornado activity near it to date.

Meteorologists agree that such activity in a downtown area is extremely rare. Many could not recall when this had last happened to an area of structural cement rather than suburban homes or rural areas.

The vote was delayed past 2 PM but it did pass that same day. It passed by just one vote and it acknowledged the validity of same-sex relationships that are "chaste, monogamous and lifelong." There was a whirlwind outside of the convention center and inside - to the degree that one person said, "We trust that the weather is not a commentary on our work."
Conservatives in the ELCA, also observing the weather aberration, said it could have been a warning from God and an expression of His anger.

The ELCA went on to vote two days later to allow homosexuals to serve as pastors. If the tornado was a warning from God - and we don't know that it was, but one could make a case for it - those voting for abomination didn't get the message.

While we have no final word from God as to whether He sent the tornado, we can observe how God treated rebellious people and nations throughout the Old Testament who would not turn away from sin. If God didn't send the whirlwind, He did allow it. A holy God never approves of sanctioning sin and lifestyles that are destructive.

We can be sure of one message, for it is right out of the Bible. A calamity happened near Jerusalem where 18 people were killed. Jesus said,
"Those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them: do you think that they were worse offenders than all the others who lived in Jerusalem? No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish" (Luke 13: 4-5).Apostasy is allowed to remain rampant because the Bible is no longer preached in many churches. The liberal churches have plunging membership and ask why. It should be obvious that at least a remnant is not pleased with letting the world come into the church.

Additionally, churches are not preaching about God's judgment today. Rather, it's the gushy gospel with a God who doesn't hold to biblical standards anymore or else the church has changed the standards. Some would say those standards are outdated. "What would Jesus do?" is a bumper sticker or bracelet but not a guideline for holy living. However, today outfits like the ELCA even twist the words of Jesus. As the saying goes, the Ten Commandments are now the ten suggestions.

[link to www.bibleprophecyblog.com]

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Books and words....

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The Lord was not in the Wind. 

The word of the Lord came only once through a bush that burned but was not consumed. The prophet Elijah had a different experience. He waited as “the Lord passed by, and a great and strong wind rent the mountains, and brake in pieces the rocks before the Lord; but the Lord was not in the wind: and after the wind an earthquake; but the Lord was not in the earthquake: and after the earthquake a fire; but the Lord was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice.” 

Messages are more commonly manifested by the still, small voice, which speaks to all of us through the scriptures, modern prophets, and personal revelation.

Sometimes we don’t want to hear messages from God. For example, the word of the Lord called Jonah to go to Nineveh and declare repentance. But Jonah ignored the message and ran away to Joppa, where he boarded a ship to Tarshish to get away from the presence of the Lord. However, the Lord caused a mighty tempest to come upon the sea. The mariners were frightened, and in an effort to appease the Lord, they threw Jonah into the sea. A great fish swallowed Jonah, and he was in the belly of the fish for three days and three nights. Jonah prayed for forgiveness and deliverance, and the fish vomited him onto dry land. The second time the word of the Lord came to Jonah, he listened and went to call the people of Nineveh to repentance. 

Some of us may need something startling like a burning bush experience to awaken our senses. In such an experience the essential nature of something—a person, a situation, an object—is suddenly perceived. We understand this to be inspiration. To be able to perceive by inspiration the common and ordinary things of life in their true meaning is a special gift. Many people fail to perceive inspiration because God’s “great power … looks small unto the understanding of men” or because they are “less and less astonished at a sign or a wonder from heaven.” 

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Great post and the truth is plainly said in the last line of your post


God's Word cannot be mocked and whether He was in the whirlwind or not, the message is clear. We serve a holy God who does not sanction wickedness.



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Great post and the truth is plainly said in the last line of your post


God's Word cannot be mocked and whether He was in the whirlwind or not, the message is clear. We serve a holy God who does not sanction wickedness.



hf
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The Lord was not in the Wind.

The word of the Lord came only once through a bush that burned but was not consumed. The prophet Elijah had a different experience. He waited as “the Lord passed by, and a great and strong wind rent the mountains, and brake in pieces the rocks before the Lord; but the Lord was not in the wind: and after the wind an earthquake; but the Lord was not in the earthquake: and after the earthquake a fire; but the Lord was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice.” 

Messages are more commonly manifested by the still, small voice, which speaks to all of us through the scriptures, modern prophets, and personal revelation.

Sometimes we don’t want to hear messages from God. For example, the word of the Lord called Jonah to go to Nineveh and declare repentance. But Jonah ignored the message and ran away to Joppa, where he boarded a ship to Tarshish to get away from the presence of the Lord. However, the Lord caused a mighty tempest to come upon the sea. The mariners were frightened, and in an effort to appease the Lord, they threw Jonah into the sea. A great fish swallowed Jonah, and he was in the belly of the fish for three days and three nights. Jonah prayed for forgiveness and deliverance, and the fish vomited him onto dry land. The second time the word of the Lord came to Jonah, he listened and went to call the people of Nineveh to repentance. 

Some of us may need something startling like a burning bush experience to awaken our senses. In such an experience the essential nature of something—a person, a situation, an object—is suddenly perceived. We understand this to be inspiration. To be able to perceive by inspiration the common and ordinary things of life in their true meaning is a special gift. Many people fail to perceive inspiration because God’s “great power … looks small unto the understanding of men” or because they are “less and less astonished at a sign or a wonder from heaven.” 

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Hi MC, The article did not say anything about the WORD of God. It said was God IN the Whirlwind?

The WORD OF THE LORD is EVERYWHERE. Take a look at the Bible. That IS the WORD of THE LORD!
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God was in the Burning Bush and in the column of flames that appeared when Moses parted the Red sea.
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God was in the Burning Bush and in the column of flames that appeared when Moses parted the Red sea.
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Exactly. He didn't just speak ONE time.
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The WORD OF THE LORD is EVERYWHERE. Take a look at the Bible. That IS the WORD of THE LORD!
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth

That little sentence is quite arguable really. The bible was not written by god but by apparent followers. Could be like a very long old age recount like Genesis is. The revaluations could have already happened along time ago. Lots of the history have been muddied by the elite. Now the old testament states that god is a hater and stuff and the new one states hes all loving. Now you do understand why I don't follow christianity because 2 different storeys sort of mirrored, what's true? If there were say 2 gods that could have explained a lot but the bible says that god is the same as the god of old.

The god of the bible I will not follow due to the fact he seems to be two faced. I still do believe in a creator but that has nothing to do with any religion I am open not trapping my self down the many possible wrong paths.

Well I foresee more truths will arise soon and many will be shocked.
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The WORD OF THE LORD is EVERYWHERE. Take a look at the Bible. That IS the WORD of THE LORD!

That little sentence is quite arguable really. The bible was not written by god but by apparent followers. Could be like a very long old age recount like Genesis is. The revaluations could have already happened along time ago. Lots of the history have been muddied by the elite. Now the old testament states that god is a hater and stuff and the new one states hes all loving. Now you do understand why I don't follow christianity because 2 different storeys sort of mirrored, what's true? If there were say 2 gods that could have explained a lot but the bible says that god is the same as the god of old.

The god of the bible I will not follow due to the fact he seems to be two faced. I still do believe in a creator but that has nothing to do with any religion I am open not trapping my self down the many possible wrong paths.

Well I foresee more truths will arise soon and many will be shocked.
 Quoting: -=GLA General=-


I don't think God would have allowed something that wasn't his WORD to be part of the Bible. Yes, many will be shocked and it will be those who did not believe in Him or His Word.

I'm sorry, but God does not decieve. The only one who does that is his adversary.

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I don't think God would have allowed something that wasn't his WORD to be part of the Bible. Yes, many will be shocked and it will be those who did not believe in Him or His Word.

I'm sorry, but God does not decieve. The only one who does that is his adversary.
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Well that's your belief and I have my beliefs guess we will see who right in the end.
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I don't think God would have allowed something that wasn't his WORD to be part of the Bible. Yes, many will be shocked and it will be those who did not believe in Him or His Word.

I'm sorry, but God does not decieve. The only one who does that is his adversary.

Well that's your belief and I have my beliefs guess we will see who right in the end.
 Quoting: -=GLA General=-


Looking forward to it...God Bless You...Love ya!
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I don't think God would have allowed something that wasn't his WORD to be part of the Bible. Yes, many will be shocked and it will be those who did not believe in Him or His Word.

I'm sorry, but God does not decieve. The only one who does that is his adversary.

Well that's your belief and I have my beliefs guess we will see who right in the end.


Looking forward to it...God Bless You...Love ya!
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lol likewise hf
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I don't think God would have allowed something that wasn't his WORD to be part of the Bible. Yes, many will be shocked and it will be those who did not believe in Him or His Word.

I'm sorry, but God does not decieve. The only one who does that is his adversary.

Well that's your belief and I have my beliefs guess we will see who right in the end.


Looking forward to it...God Bless You...Love ya!

lol likewise hf
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hf hf peace
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Hi MC, The article did not say anything about the WORD of God. It said was God IN the Whirlwind?

The WORD OF THE LORD is EVERYWHERE. Take a look at the Bible. That IS the WORD of THE LORD!
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


Yes the Bible IS the word of God inasmuch as it is translated correctly.  For more on this, please have a look at my thread on Myths About the Bible. 

Compare the political manuvering of men to move forward their personal agendas to that which seeks to do the will of the Lord. 

This divinely revealed procedure for installing a new First Presidency of the Church—revelation from the Lord and sustaining by the people—has been followed to our present day. The First Presidency is to be “upheld by the confidence, faith, and prayer of the church.” (see D&C 107:22.)
Several years ago President Spencer W. Kimball, then a member of the Twelve Apostles, on such an occasion as this, said:

“It is reassuring to know that [a new President is] … not elected through committees and conventions with all their conflicts, criticisms, and by the vote of men, but [is] called of God and then sustained by the people. …
  
“The pattern divine allows for no errors, no conflicts, no ambitions, no ulterior motives. The Lord has reserved for himself the calling of his leaders over his church.”
[link to 74.125.155.132]

The timing of the windstorm did coincide with the political margin indicative of the mark of the beast along with fitting perfectly with our discussion of your vision that morning.

All things testify of Christ (His word is indeed everywhere and is not finite)  

Myth # 5. The canon is closed.
Nowhere in thee books of the Bible does it say that the canon of scripture is closed. Many will refer to the last lines of Revelation to claim that the book cannot be added to. Since the Bible didn't exist at the time of the writing of the Revelation of John, it couldn't refer to the Bible as a whole. The Revelation remained a disputed book for two centuries after John penned it. Thus the commandment that it should not be added to must refer to that particular scroll which John wrote. We should understand that most scholars believe that John himself "added to" the Bible, because it is commonly believed that he wrote Revelation before the Gospel of John. The Gospel of John came AFTER the book of Revelation in the chronological sequence of Bible texts. The apostle John told us that "...there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one...that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written."

A similar interdiction against adding to God's word appears in Deuteronomy. Following the logic of those who say the Bible can't be added to because of John's statement, we must consider tossing anything that comes after Moses and Deuteronomy. Man's rejection of further revelation is an attempt to "mute" God and deny that he has power to reveal anything new or essential to mankind. It defends the status quo, having a "form of godliness" but denies the power thereof. Since the Bible itself doesn't claim to contain all God's words, it would require a revelation from God to tell us that the Bible is inerrant, sufficient, persipicacious, and the final authority in all things. Thus, you can see the quandary: it would require a revelation to tell us that there will be no more revelation. The position is logically untenable.

For more Myths about the Bible:
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grizzy Hi TexasGal4Truth,

I read that news report and saw some photos of the tip of the steeple after it was toppled. And basically I came to the same conclusion that you have. I left the established church a long time ago, never to return.

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The Lutherans were the first to arrive in the region from Europe long before 150 years ago.
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Leviticus 18:22

'You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.

Leviticus 20:13

'If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.

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God is Truth. God is Love. God is Just.


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the fathers and grandfathers of today's Lutherans left Sweden back then because they saw corruption and bad doctrine within Lutheranism in Scandinavia.
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Always "protesting", fighting, leaving, squabbling and fracturing. It's been that way for over 400 years.
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While we have no final word from God as to whether He sent the tornado, we can observe how God treated rebellious people and nations throughout the Old Testament who would not turn away from sin. If God didn't send the whirlwind, He did allow it. A holy God never approves of sanctioning sin and lifestyles that are destructive.
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Hah!
Not only does he not approve, he actively punishes for transgressions if you believe he sent that whirlwind.

That is not free will, this is enforcement through threat of destruction.
This is manipulation of the course of events using fear as motivational weapon.

God is guilty of terrorism?!

Do as I say or I'll huff and I'll puff and I'll blow your house down?

That's a threat.

Nasty.
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While we have no final word from God as to whether He sent the tornado, we can observe how God treated rebellious people and nations throughout the Old Testament who would not turn away from sin. If God didn't send the whirlwind, He did allow it. A holy God never approves of sanctioning sin and lifestyles that are destructive.


Hah!
Not only does he not approve, he actively punishes for transgressions if you believe he sent that whirlwind.

That is not free will, this is enforcement through threat of destruction.
This is manipulation of the course of events using fear as motivational weapon.

God is guilty of terrorism?!

Do as I say or I'll huff and I'll puff and I'll blow your house down?

That's a threat.

Nasty.
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No, its more like a mis-interpretation from a spiritual retard. God is Just, and if fallen mankind chooses to go to Hell, then it is not manipulation, no more than it is manipulation for a judge to sentence a murder to the electric chair. It would be foolish for the convicted to accuse the Judge of manipulation for not giving the convict a better choice for which to commit his offense.

Sounds pretty retarded when you look at it realistically doesn't it?







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:grizzy: Hi TexasGal4Truth,

I left the established church a long time ago, never to return.
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Over 400 years of protesting, leaving, fighting, arrogance and fracturing. As true today as it was then.
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Any intervention by God in human lives is divine manipulation.

He intercedes to create outcomes that meet his approval.
That is manipulation.

Sending a tornado to destroy a church to frighten believers into voting the 'correct' way is like the scientist who electrifies an area of the maze he wishes to discourage the rat from entering.
That's negative reinforcement.

Like rubbing your dogs nose in his shit.
That's God.

Believers also pray to him for intervention, to manipulate his creation according to their request.
Prayer like this is asking God to revise his "divine plan" in your favour.

That's manipulation too.

Do you believe you can "request" reality changes from God?
Might as well howl at the moon, same results.
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Not the first church to vote on this and won't be the last. They just happened to get hit by a tornado.

The vote didn't pass by one vote, it passed with a 2/3 majority.
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Why, you feelin a little dizzy this mornin.
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Any intervention by God in human lives is divine manipulation.

He intercedes to create outcomes that meet his approval.
That is manipulation.

Sending a tornado to destroy a church to frighten believers into voting the 'correct' way is like the scientist who electrifies an area of the maze he wishes to discourage the rat from entering.
That's negative reinforcement.

Like rubbing your dogs nose in his shit.
That's God.

Believers also pray to him for intervention, to manipulate his creation according to their request.
Prayer like this is asking God to revise his "divine plan" in your favour.

That's manipulation too.

Do you believe you can "request" reality changes from God?
Might as well howl at the moon, same results.
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You seem to be looking at God through spiritual retard glasses. You still want to have it your way without taking any responsibility for your own actions. Not everyone wants those glasses, so stop trying to manipulate us into putting them on.

BTW, Christ gave His believers the ability to change reality by changing the higher realms, and "casting down strongholds, and taking captive every imaginstion that exalts itself above all that is His will." God disciplines His children through circumstances, but "all things work together for the good..." God is invested in restoring the glory that mankind lost through the fall.
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08/30/2009 10:52 AM
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Re: Was God In The Whirlwind?
Thread: MAC USERS HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE FACED WITH THE LEOPARD EVERYDAY?


LISTEN AND HEED!!!!!!!!



CERTAIN ETERNAL DAMNATION IN THE FIREY PITS OF HELL AWAITS OTHERWISE!!!


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